Deception & Misdirection by ZEC co. Forking ASIC Resistance Bitmain Antminer Z9

[shaninium]

This is all about above, just because someones a low poster or a newbie doesnt automatically make them a shriller, forking is futile.

All you're doing now is searching through my posts for ANY EXCUSE to find fault with me to TRY to justify a means and/or reason to continue in your own insanity fostered by your own greed and BITMAIN's ILLUSION.  Plain and simple.

You started it

IF that's what you think, then I'll finish it.

IGNORED>>>

I'm NOT going to get involved in another shouting match.

Easy to be one sided when you havent made a single profit personally on an asic since 2015. You seem to have a lot invested in gpus. Id be worried too, but not ignorant.

[dmwardjr]

Easy to be one sided when you havent made a single profit personally on an asic since 2015. You seem to have a lot invested in gpus. Id be worried too, but not ignorant.

I unignored you to see if MAYBE your next reply would be an apology.  Apparently not...

Instead, you want to get involved in a shout match and make false accusations.

You ASSUME I made no profit with my ASIC's of old when I actually did.  Barely... But I did...

Now, I'll actually ignore you for 24 hours to give you time to think logically without emotions clouding your mind then unignore you to see if you have come to your senses.

And honestly, you really are acting PATHETIC right now.  

24 hour ignore implemented after this post.  06:29:14 AM, Wednesday, May 23, 2018 is 24h.

[shaninium]

Easy to be one sided when you havent made a single profit personally on an asic since 2015. You seem to have a lot invested in gpus. Id be worried too, but not ignorant.

I unignored you to see if MAYBE your next reply would be an apology.  Apparently not...

Instead, you want to get involved in a shout match and make false accusations.

You ASSUME I made no profit with my ASIC's of old when I actually did.  Barely... But I did...

Now, I'll actually ignore you for 24 hours to give you time to think logically without emotions clouding your mind then unignore you to see if you have come to your senses.

And honestly, you really are acting PATHETIC right now. 

24 hour ignore implemented after this post.

Lol couldnt help yaself

[shaninium]

Easy to be one sided when you havent made a single profit personally on an asic since 2015. You seem to have a lot invested in gpus. Id be worried too, but not ignorant.

I unignored you to see if MAYBE your next reply would be an apology.  Apparently not...

Instead, you want to get involved in a shout match and make false accusations.

You ASSUME I made no profit with my ASIC's of old when I actually did.  Barely... But I did...

Now, I'll actually ignore you for 24 hours to give you time to think logically without emotions clouding your mind then unignore you to see if you have come to your senses.

And honestly, you really are acting PATHETIC right now. 

24 hour ignore implemented after this post.

You barely made a profit you say, that will leave me with a bias too, how many u buy again.. oh dam. Well sorry to hear that , theres my sorry.

[dmwardjr]

Easy to be one sided when you havent made a single profit personally on an asic since 2015. You seem to have a lot invested in gpus. Id be worried too, but not ignorant.

Here's a PRIME example of someone who's emotions is inhibiting their reasoning abilities.  I too have been guilty of this before when I believed in BITMAIN'S grand illusion.

I mentioned in a post earlier [That he or she may or may not have read] "Most all my GPU's have ROI'ed 3 times over.  I began buying a lot of GPU's in May, 2016 and have mined with them consistently since then.  I could sell all of my hardware for GPU mining right now and add another $85,000 easily to my bank roll.  EASILY.... And that's being conservative.

Now I'm the one who's supposed to be worried?  And another thing.  This guy has no idea I'm a professional trader and make additional revenue from my trading profession.

Most importantly, this guy or gal doesn't understand this "IS" about community and consensus.  I'm here partly to fight for GPU's to remain and ASIC's to be RESISTED as promised by several privacy Equihash coins.  I'm also here to hopefully open peoples eyes to the fact "we should come together as a community to promote what is best coin(s) for humanity in regards to currency, privacy, freedom of speech and freedom from tyranny."  Which is in my signature box below.

So, bottom line:  They seem more inclined to be controlled by their emotions rather than the other way around.

I've had to learn the hard way it takes two to reason things out when there's division or confusion.

[gameboy366]

I think ASICs could work if there is more competition in the market and no monopoly of single company. Another problem is there retail availabilty and pre mining which could be solved if competition increases. Intel only bought good processors for cheap when AMD bought them in the market first. Competition solves many problem and it is necessary for healthy working of capitalism.

But crony capitalist CCP and Bitmain won't allow that to happen. You can't even open a ASIC company in china. Bitmain has all the cards, they control the whole game. SIA founder tried to open a ASIC company in China and lost million dollars due Bitmain's tactics not allowing him to open the company.

We shouldn't let such (or any) company and govt. control the entire ecosystem. Instead of thinking about small personal profit one should think about the big picture but that is the job of the devs as we can't trust the community to act responsibly. The average miner doesn't care about decentralisation or cryptocurrencies, all he cares about is how to get maximum capital gains in least amount of time. One should not hope that one day the community will take the red pill. Only support coins that are against ASICs.

ASICs are still necessary because they lead to more advancement in stronger asic-resistant coin. The problem with majority is that they think if an ASIC has been made for asic-resistant algo then gpu mining is dead. They only look at one side. When powerful missiles came, tank's armour became more thicker and stronger. None of that has stopped to this day. More powerful missiles come with more powerful tank armour. One will come before another. Similarly if there are more powerful ASICs now there will be more powerful ASIC resistant algo in future. No antivirus is virus-proof forever, they keep updating to protect the computer. Same with asic-resistant algos.

[hanskan]

Your against zec not forking but you want to be apart of a new miner that will destroy the profit of gpu mining for Cn7 and zec and zec if it forks. An FPGA that will greatly centralize hashrate to 1 or 2 major FPGA manufacturers, oh that arent bitmain.

You STILL DON"T GET IT... What's your problem???

Read the last post I just posted where I QUOTE MYSELF then THINK...  GEEEEEEEEZ. So quick to judge.

Arguing with that retard is like arguing with full-on creationism believer. Or with that other retard in flat earth topic. Guy has no idea what's what. ROFL @ "my friend has" gtfo imbecile

[dmwardjr]

ASICs are still necessary because they lead to more advancement in stronger asic-resistant coin. The problem...[Below]

ASICs could work if there is more competition in the market and no monopoly of single company. Another problem is there retail availabilty and pre mining which could be solved if competition increases. Intel only bought good processors for cheap when AMD bought them in the market first. Competition solves many problem and it is necessary for healthy working of capitalism.

As I've mentioned in previous posts:  "IF" ASIC's could meet those [And other requirements I've mentioned in previous posts], I would be FINE with them."  At this current time... It's a NO for me.  Those criteria are not currently met and may never be.  Time will tell.

Some see ASIC's as a necessary evil.  "Necessary," because of "so-called" security of the network.  "Evil," because of not meeting the requirements I have mentioned in several posts.

This falls pretty much into the same category as FREEDOM.  In what way?  If one decides they will give up some freedom for the sake of some security, they deserve and will get NEITHER!!! - Similar to Benjamin Franklin's quote: "Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."

[dmwardjr]

Arguing with that retard is like arguing with full-on creationism believer. Or with that other retard in flat earth topic. Guy has no idea what's what. ROFL @ "my friend has" gtfo imbecile

Something wrong with having a friend with S9's and L3's you visit and talk to from time to time?

Something wrong when visiting to see if anything substantially different between the S7 and S9 when talking and/or visiting him?

Do people on bitcoin talk not have friends and/or acquaintances within bitcoin talk who provide information about different hardware?  

Do you not discuss this hardware with one another all the time if an issue should arise, etc...?

Is there something so different between the S7 and S9 that I'm at a total loss and it makes me an "imbecile?"  Am I missing something, other than asking you to look in a mirror?  I think not, and your continued name calling earns you nothing but less respect from those in the community who visit this thread.

[dmwardjr]

We shouldn't let such (or any) company and govt. control the entire ecosystem. Instead of thinking about small personal profit one should think about the big picture but that is the job of the devs as we can't trust the community to act responsibly. The average miner doesn't care about decentralisation or cryptocurrencies, all he cares about is how to get maximum capital gains in least amount of time. One should not hope that one day the community will take the red pill. Only support coins that are against ASICs.

I disagree...

We need both miners and developers to keep each other in check.

Check for what?

"...to promote best coin(s) for humanity in regards to decentralized currency, privacy, freedom of speech and freedom from tyranny."

[gameboy366]

As I've mentioned in previous posts:  "IF" ASIC's could meet those......

I disagree...

You are talking like a idealist not realist. It does not matter if ASICs are necessary or not, the thing is that they exist they are here to stay and we have to deal with them.
And yes, hurdles like ASICs are necessary for the development of cryptocurrencies. This is how it works everywhere in nature. ASIC resistant algos exists because ASICs exists. More smart ASICs will only lead to more robust asic resistant algos.

You are saying that we need both miner and devs to keep check on each other but what we "need" doesn't = what we get.Yes awarness is necessary in the community but the fact is majority of miners (95%+) ONLY mine for capital gains without caring about decentralisation or humanity, just have a look at ASICs sale.

Yes i contradicted myself by saying that it is job of devs to be responsible (only possible in ideal world) but even if the community abandons use of ASICs that won't stop Bitmain from manufacturing them. There is already enough money in mining from their own miners. ASICs are a reality we have to accept. Only solution is to completely abandon the coin which doesn't use latest asic resistant algo (again only possible in ideal world).
The best we can do is launch an aggressive assault against pro asic coins on forums. It is the duty of High merit members (like you) who have taken red pill to speak against these coins on that coin's forum.

I do believe that ASICs are on the losing team in long run.

[Apocalypse Onion]

I do believe that ASICs are on the losing team in long run.

If for no other reason than they will eventually fall foul of environmental legislation. The colossal waste of power is already ridiculous and neither governments nor conscientious people will leave such an easy target alone.

[hanskan]

I do believe that ASICs are on the losing team in long run.

If for no other reason than they will eventually fall foul of environmental legislation. The colossal waste of power is already ridiculous and neither governments nor conscientious people will leave such an easy target alone.

ASICs are so much more efficient than GPUs

Take the new Z9 for example - 300W / 10,000sols  33,3sols/W
I have currently garage full of 1080ti-s - the most i get out of those is 4.1sols/W

[dmwardjr]

As I've mentioned in previous posts:  "IF" ASIC's could meet those......

I disagree...

You are talking like a idealist not realist. It does not matter if ASICs are necessary or not, the thing is that they exist they are here to stay and we have to deal with them.

Sure, you can tell that to developers who actually give a damn and they'll tell you, "Take a hike."

[dmwardjr]

As I've mentioned in previous posts:  "IF" ASIC's could meet those......

I disagree...

You are saying that we need both miner and devs to keep check on each other but what we "need" doesn't = what we get.Yes awarness is necessary in the community but the fact is majority of miners (95%+) ONLY mine for capital gains without caring about decentralisation or humanity, just have a look at ASICs sale.

So, you're basically saying, "Lay down on the floor and take it up the..."

We have a real smart one here, fellas.  ROFL...  He wants to be a follower and not a leader.  This newbie has no clue...  He's admittedly saying he cares about a buck and not the best good of humanity.

ROFL...

[dmwardjr]

As I've mentioned in previous posts:  "IF" ASIC's could meet those......

I disagree...

Yes i contradicted myself by saying that it is job of devs to be responsible (only possible in ideal world) but even if the community abandons use of ASICs that won't stop Bitmain from manufacturing them. There is already enough money in mining from their own miners. ASICs are a reality we have to accept. Only solution is to completely abandon the coin which doesn't use latest asic resistant algo (again only possible in ideal world).
The best we can do is launch an aggressive assault against pro asic coins on forums. It is the duty of High merit members (like you) who have taken red pill to speak against these coins on that coin's forum.

Welcome to PROG Proof of Work:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P6B-ZCyP6K8

It's software development like PROG that will make a difference for several years [Possibly permanent because of the "mapping"].  But what do you care?  You're a follower heading towards a cliff.  

You make statements off the cuff like you know what the hell you're talking about and not really thinking about how it makes you appear to the reader.  The appearance is, "Lets make a buck and damn humanity."

[dmwardjr]

As I've mentioned in previous posts:  "IF" ASIC's could meet those......

I disagree...

You are talking like a idealist not realist.

Believe me when I say, I have "ideals" (Principles).  If we don't have "principles" (guidance) to stand on with a project, what's the point of getting involved with a project.  Since you've made it quite clear with your statements that all you care about is making a buck, it's also clear you have no "principles."  It's damn decentralized currency that promotes privacy, freedom of speech and freedom from tyranny.  Just give me my money!  I'll leave "principles" to everyone else who gives a damn about the best good of humanity.

[dmwardjr]

As I've mentioned in previous posts:  "IF" ASIC's could meet those......

I disagree...

Yes i contradicted myself by saying...

ROFL...

Sure, abandon "principles" you state in you reply for a buck?

Nice work, Player.  True gangsta...

Geeeeeeeez

[dmwardjr]

ASICs are so much more efficient than GPUs

Take the new Z9 for example - 300W / 10,000sols  33,3sols/W
I have currently garage full of 1080ti-s - the most i get out of those is 4.1sols/W

What logic you have there, padawon.  lol

You know full well what most miners will do with the extra watts available for Z9 that would have been used for 1080 ti, don't you?  They're going to add more Z9's.  Then what?  All you have to claim is, NETWORK MORE SECURE fellas.

All while "centralized" BITMAIN is increasing the difficulty on all of you WHILE ALSO manipulating the price in exchanges because they hold majority control over mining in their own farms.

What your propagating is BITMAIN's grand illusion.

[philipma1957]

ASICs are so much more efficient than GPUs

Take the new Z9 for example - 300W / 10,000sols  33,3sols/W
I have currently garage full of 1080ti-s - the most i get out of those is 4.1sols/W

What logic you have there, padawon.  lol

You know full well what most miners will do with the extra watts available for Z9 that would have been used for 1080 ti, don't you?  They're going to add more Z9's.  Then what?  All you have to claim is, NETWORK MORE SECURE fellas.

All while "centralized" BITMAIN is increasing the difficulty on all of you WHILE ALSO manipulating the price in exchanges because they hold majority control over mining in their own farms.

What your propagating is BITMAIN's grand illusion.

Yeah but most newbies are simply proxy accounts for asic agenda

so while you are ripping him by simply pointing out the truth  another back a mole will pop out.

Bitmain is simply really big and can go after coins with no consequences to itself.

They are a big business looking to accumulate much wealth as they can.

I hang in there and do a little here and there but the truth is they will not be stopped at my level.
FPGAS are not the answer

Maybe a new way to spend gpu hash is needed.  Not so much for me or you but for the sake of AMD and NVIDIA

I will continue to mine with my few gpus and see what happens next I did cash a lot of cards out.

Just going to sit and see what zcash does.