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August 19, 2011, 02:42:05 PM
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Most religions believes that it is the one true faith, that is the way it is.   I believe mine is, and no, I will not tell you what it is.  I do not believe in pushing my religious views on others, religion is a private thing and in my opinion is that it should remain as such.

Does it really matter if he or anyone else inserts something in his headers?  Only if he is inserting illegal content, which I would have a legal obligation* to report, otherwise it does not affect me.  It is as if I am told that someone is sprinkling magic pixie dust on his servers to make them have good luck, it affects me in no way, but if it makes him feel better, more power to him.


These are all my opinions, and opinions are like assholes every has got one.


*I term illegal content as either Child Porn or plans to harm others.

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August 19, 2011, 03:05:41 PM
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Well, I've been mining on Eligius for the best PPS price around and never bothered about the founder's religious beliefs.

What Luke-Jr or anybody believes about other religions does not change my religious views, or others' for that sake. I'm free to think as I wish, he's free too. Anybody claiming that I am a heretic because I don't believe in [fill in your God's version] does not make me one.

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BTW, now I realize why I have a higher number of stales on Eligius with my Christian Orthodox GPU's. It's the "Filioque" addition to the Creed  that's making me waste a few more KH/s instead of calculating solutions. Maybe mining software developers should take this into account.

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WHOAAAH, my miners were just disconnected from Eligius as I was writing this !!!! Holy shit, this thing is giving me the creeps !!!

Connected again after 1 min.

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August 19, 2011, 03:25:18 PM
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Let religious types worry about religious content, legal types worry about illegal content, and copyright types worry about infringing content.  It is possible but you would be doing well indeed to construct a sequence of 0's and 1's that would phase me.

Although I would personally make a special effort to avoid people like luke-jr, there are far worse people in the world.
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August 19, 2011, 03:35:34 PM
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luke-jr   :   (23:59)       MSSmallBiz: heretics


I personally do believe in the freedom of religion but this is kind of over the limit. Like where religious fanatics start to bomb/harm people when they do not share the same faith.

edit: IMO this would start to be a header war if bitcoin gets bigger

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August 19, 2011, 08:30:31 PM
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Luke seems more like the Reborn Christian type than catholic type Wink

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August 20, 2011, 03:56:24 AM
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Allahu Akbar, Allahu Akbar, Allahu Akbar !

All infidels will go to hell
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August 20, 2011, 11:51:58 AM
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Allahu Akbar, Allahu Akbar, Allahu Akbar !

All infidels will go to hell

Say you have a hindu and a muslim in the same restaurant.
The hindu is eating roast bacon and the muslim is eating a beef steak.

Who is the most enraged one? Who wins in a fight?
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Also, say you have two kids in the same kindergarden.
In comes Michael Jackson and and a catholic priest.

Who gets to decide.. Ok let's stop here

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August 20, 2011, 12:04:51 PM
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If it bothers you than don't use his pool. For fuck sake its named st eligius after the patron saint of goldsmiths. I am catholic as well and as far as I know other religions are recognized. I went to catholic school for 12 years. This thread is retarded, hey guys I'm going to pray for all of you, and if you don't like it well fuck you, your going to heaven anyways. Tongue
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August 20, 2011, 12:10:57 PM
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If it bothers you than don't use his pool. For fuck sake its named st eligius after the patron saint of goldsmiths. I am catholic as well and as far as I know other religions are recognized. I went to catholic school for 12 years. This thread is retarded, hey guys I'm going to pray for all of you, and if you don't like it well fuck you, your going to heaven anyways. Tongue

No dude, this thread isn't retarded at all.

Some time ago, someone started a thread asking why weren't we allowed to include messages in transactions sent to bitcoin addresses(you can when you send to the IP) and everyone started saying it was a waste of resources, because the blockchain would get bigger and bigger because of said messages.

Now comes a religious fanatic moron and starts including prayers in the blockchain. What a waste of resources is that?

I could care less for his beliefs, but c'mmon... If he can clutter the blockchain with his crappy prayers I want to be able to message people to which i send payments to and be able to receive messages from people who send me payments.

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August 20, 2011, 12:21:55 PM
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Its random data if anything the prayers make the block chain more compressible.
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August 20, 2011, 12:59:52 PM
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Its random data if anything the prayers make the block chain more compressible.

Putting aside the content discussion, I propose that all messages in the block chain are graffiti and we should (as a community)  work to clean it up. If someone were to embed child pornography in the block chain, and a week later publish instructions on how to access it we would ALL be guilty of possession.

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August 20, 2011, 01:03:19 PM
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<luke-jr> Graet: Catholics do not believe in freedom of religion.

wow


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August 20, 2011, 02:02:28 PM
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<luke-jr> Graet: Catholics do not believe in freedom of religion.

wow

Every religion demands absolute belief that their dogma is the correct one, and punishes doubt. Allowing doubt opens the gateway to thoughtful analysis and logic. Analysis such as "if I was born in a different country with different parents and a different color skin, would I believe just as deeply in the religion I was taught there since my birth?"

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August 20, 2011, 02:11:43 PM
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Good to see some people agree with and understand my point Smiley
Sad to se some ppl dont care about btc's future, just thier own earnings - only to be expected tho Wink
thanks for the discussion ppl Smiley


From the responses i have had in irc i dont think luke-jr even read my post before he left his post :S

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August 20, 2011, 02:27:23 PM
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luke-jr is doing witchcraft with the blockchain.
We should burn him 'cause that's the catholic way of doing dealing with witchs lol

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August 20, 2011, 07:26:10 PM
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August 20, 2011, 07:36:06 PM
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I was gonna input on this thread, then remembered the world's real problems like all the banks in the world collapsing, USD & Euro being printed to below toilet paper, and the likely collapse of all fiat civilization...er what was I saying  Roll Eyes

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August 20, 2011, 10:46:10 PM
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Back to the more real issue:
Can we have links to a few blocks of Eligius to see this ourselves?
Also: Could this impact security of the blockchain somehow? If it is supposed to be random data there (whereever these prayers are) but this data isn't as random as it could be, this might not be "a good thing (TM)".

I don't care for the personal beliefs of someone else whom I never even met. He might also just be trolling all of you (there is for example a whole german forum + dozens (!) of websites set up specifically just to make fun of religious "hardliners") and even if he isn't - just embed some lines of the Koran or whatever... there are worse options for stuff that could be embedded in the block chain, and it wouldn't even be that hard to do anonymously!

I don't like generalisations in general (Wink) but some posts here are really nothing better than some (out of context) statements of Luke-Jr. Maybe take this into consideration: http://www.notquitewrong.com/rosscottinc/2011/08/03/so-youre-mad-about-something-on-the-internet/

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August 20, 2011, 11:50:19 PM
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Can we have links to a few blocks of Eligius to see this ourselves?

Output of "strings -n 20 .bitcoin/blk0001.dat":

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Benedictum Nomen Iesu.
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Benedictum Cor eius sacratissimum.
Benedictus Sanguis eius pretiosissimus.
Benedictus Iesus in sanctissimo altaris Sacramento.
Benedictus Sanctus Spiritus, Paraclitus.
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Benedictum nomen Mariae, Virginis et Matris.
Benedictum nomen Mariae, Virginis et Matris.
Benedictus sanctus Ioseph, eius castissimus Sponsus.
Benedictus Deus in Angelis suis, et in Sanctis suis. Amen.
In nomine Patris et Filii et Spiritus Sancti. Amen.
O my God, I am heartily sorry for having offended Thee and I detest all my sins...
O my God, I am heartily sorry for having offended Thee and I detest all my sins...
Eye'm the strongest!
...because of Thy just punishments, but most of all because they offend Thee, ...
...my God, who art all good and deserving of all my love.
I firmly resolve, with the help of Thy grace, to sin no more...
I firmly resolve, with the help of Thy grace, to sin no more...
...and avoid the near occasions of sin. Amen.
O my God! I firmly believe that Thou art one God in three Divine persons, ...
O my God! I firmly believe that Thou art one God in three Divine persons, ...
...Father, Son, and Holy Ghost; I believe that Thy Divine Son became man, ...
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...and life everlasting, through the merits of Jesus Christ, my Lord and Redeemer.
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I forgive all who have injured me, and ask pardon of all whom I have injured.
I forgive all who have injured me, and ask pardon of all whom I have injured.
O my Jesus, forgive us our sins, save us from the fires of Hell, ...
...lead all souls to Heaven, especially those in most need of Thy mercy.
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... to the holy Apostles Peter and Paul, and to all the Saints, ...
... that I have sinned exceedingly, in thought, word, and deed, ...
... through my fault, through my fault, through my most grievous fault.
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... blessed John the Baptist, the holy Apostles Peter and Paul, ...
... and all the Saints to pray to the Lord our God for me. Amen.
St. Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle; be our safeguard against ...
St. Michael the Archangel, defend us in battle; be our safeguard against ...
... the wickedness and snares of the Devil. May God rebuke him, ...
... we humbly pray, and do Thou, O Prince of the Heavenly Host, ...
... we humbly pray, and do Thou, O Prince of the Heavenly Host, ...
... we humbly pray, and do Thou, O Prince of the Heavenly Host, ...
... we humbly pray, and do Thou, O Prince of the Heavenly Host, ...
... by the power of God, cast into Hell, Satan and all the other evil spirits, ...
... who wander throughout the world, seeking the ruin of souls. Amen.
Angel of God, my guardian dear, to whom His love commits me here, ...
... ever this night be at my side, to light and guard, to rule and guide. Amen.
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... et benedictus fructus ventris tui, Iesus. Sancta Maria, Mater Dei, ...
... et benedictus fructus ventris tui, Iesus. Sancta Maria, Mater Dei, ...
... et benedictus fructus ventris tui, Iesus. Sancta Maria, Mater Dei, ...
... ora pro nobis peccatoribus, nunc, et in hora mortis nostrae. Amen.
Salve, Regina, mater misericordiae: vita, dulcedo, et spes nostra, salve.
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... misericordes oculos ad nos converte. Et Iesum, benedictum fructum ...
... ventris tui, nobis post hoc exsilium ostende. O clemens, O pia, ...
... O dulcis Virgo Maria. Ora pro nobis, sancta Dei Genetrix.
kLhLUKE-JR IS A PEDOPHILE! Oh, and god isn't real, sucka. Stop polluting the blockchain with your nonsense.
Ut digni efficiamur promissionibus Christi. Amen.
Pater noster, qui es in caelis, sanctificetur Nomen tuum. Adveniat regnum tuum.
Pater noster, qui es in caelis, sanctificetur Nomen tuum. Adveniat regnum tuum.
Fiat voluntas tua, sicut in caelo et in terra. Panem nostrum quotidianum ...
... da nobis hodie, et dimitte nobis debita nostra sicut et nos dimittimus ...
... debitoribus nostris. Et ne nos inducas in tentationem, sed libera nos a malo.
Domine Iesu Christe, Filius Dei, miserere me peccatorem!
Sanae is a good girl
We adore Thee, O Christ, and we bless Thee;
We adore Thee, O Christ, and we bless Thee;
because by Thy holy Cross Thou hast redeemed the world.
May the Holy Trinity be blessed.


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I don't like generalisations in general (Wink) but some posts here are really nothing better than some (out of context) statements of Luke-Jr.

I provided context for what I quoted.  What's being attributed to Luke here isn't anything that he would disagree with.  Go ahead and talk to him on IRC, you'll find out soon enough.
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August 21, 2011, 12:09:19 AM
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I find it a bit laughable to embed prayers in english, but well... thanks for the strings anyways and the advice how to get them.

Still it's of interest to me if this can impact security in any way. Otherwise it would just make the block chain a bit more compressible, no matter what is actually written in these strings.
Why are there still no ASCII penises in the block chain?!

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