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August 24, 2011, 10:33:51 AM
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so who is going to disclose then? Smiley
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August 24, 2011, 11:08:38 AM
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As an atheist, I'm very sensitive to religious propaganda, and I can honestly say I see a LOT more Islam-related articles on the front page of my local newspapers website than anything else.  It almost seems as if mainstream media is bending over backwards to ingratiate the Muslim community.  Have you not seen this phenomena in your neck of the woods?

It is my experience that most do tread much more carefully when the issue is Islamic in nature. While I have my theory on why it is so, I shall refrain as it would perhaps be inappropriate and offensive to some.


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August 24, 2011, 12:22:57 PM
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I think we should be tolerant to Luke-Jr's religious propaganda (even though I don't like it).  I think Luke-Jr tries to make the world better, and we should respect that, not all of us do.

On the other hand I agree with Graet: the mining pool users deserve to know that they are not only mining for bitcoins, but are also supporting Catholicism. Their views could be incompatible with supporting Catholicism, so it would be honest to make it explicit.

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August 24, 2011, 12:35:39 PM
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I think Luke-Jr tries to make the world better
I'm convinced he does. We just have widely different opinions on what "better" means.

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August 24, 2011, 01:31:26 PM
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Hmm. What happened here?

Indeed...  tin foil hat time...  what did we miss?  You dont have to release details but please tell us the gist?  Exploit in lukes pool or with bitcoin?
He asked what was to stop a certain attack against Bitcoin rendering it unusable by the average Joe. There really is nothing to stop it, so we agreed it was best kept quiet.

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August 24, 2011, 02:08:17 PM
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Hmm. What happened here?

Indeed...  tin foil hat time...  what did we miss?  You dont have to release details but please tell us the gist?  Exploit in lukes pool or with bitcoin?
He asked what was to stop a certain attack against Bitcoin rendering it unusable by the average Joe. There really is nothing to stop it, so we agreed it was best kept quiet.

Luke-Jr,  Please tread very carefully with this one... Security thru obscurity is NO security at all.... if there is no defense against this i sure hope the whole bitcoin dev teams knows about this and are working on it as we speak...  can you comment on that?   Its really not good form to keep these things private.   Who does it affect? Users?  Miners? Pool Operators? Everyone? Some disclosure needs to be done so that people can protect themselves depending on what type of vulnerability we are talking about.


I really dont think this should be kept completely quiet.  SOME information needs to be disclosed!
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August 24, 2011, 02:25:19 PM
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Luke-Jr,  Please tread very carefully with this one... Security thru obscurity is NO security at all.... if there is no defense against this i sure hope the whole bitcoin dev teams knows about this and are working on it as we speak...  can you comment on that?   Its really not good form to keep these things private.   Who does it affect? Users?  Miners? Pool Operators? Everyone? Some disclosure needs to be done so that people can protect themselves depending on what type of vulnerability we are talking about.


I really dont think this should be kept completely quiet.  SOME information needs to be disclosed!

This x 1000

Ill mine regardless of block header content, but if this isnt handled properly I will jump ship from Eliguis without hesitation and Im sure others would do the same. Ideally Luke-Jr would be respectable about disclosing WTF is going on to prevent a mass exodus of his service.
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August 24, 2011, 02:35:23 PM
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Indeed...  tin foil hat time...  what did we miss?  You dont have to release details but please tell us the gist?  Exploit in lukes pool or with bitcoin?
He asked what was to stop a certain attack against Bitcoin rendering it unusable by the average Joe. There really is nothing to stop it, so we agreed it was best kept quiet.

Luke-Jr,  Please tread very carefully with this one... Security thru obscurity is NO security at all.... if there is no defense against this i sure hope the whole bitcoin dev teams knows about this and are working on it as we speak...  can you comment on that?   Its really not good form to keep these things private.   Who does it affect? Users?  Miners? Pool Operators? Everyone? Some disclosure needs to be done so that people can protect themselves depending on what type of vulnerability we are talking about.


I really dont think this should be kept completely quiet.  SOME information needs to be disclosed!
It only potentially interferes with less competent computer users from using Bitcoin. There are no security implications for actual usage.

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August 24, 2011, 02:37:29 PM
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but if Graet had noticed quotes from the Quran being quoted, would he have been so eager to post the same thread? 

My thoughts and subsequent actions would have been the same.
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August 24, 2011, 03:01:28 PM
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Great, that you are Catholic, but I would recommend studying your religion a bit more-- especially the Syllabus of Errors condemned by Pope Pius IX, and the dogma of Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus ("Outside the Church there is no salvation").

Really? I'd suggest YOU study your religion a bit more, perhaps you'd realize how the fuck to spell GENESIS correctly.

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Nevermind the fact that it was actually started with political propaganda in the Genesys block by Satoshi himself, setting a clear and undeniable precedent.

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August 27, 2011, 12:52:26 AM
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but if Graet had noticed quotes from the Quran being quoted, would he have been so eager to post the same thread? 

My thoughts and subsequent actions would have been the same.

To be very clear If anything that can offend anyone is put in blockheaders I would object it doesnt even have to be a prayer.

My original post was about whether a poolop had informed his miners of what he was doing (or keeping stuff secret) I never did get a yes or no answer, but from other peoples replies I can see it wasn't announced in a way that informed all miners on that pool and gave them a choice to participate or not.

My point (belief) that anyone is free to practice the religion of their choice seems to have been missed.

i thought this thread had been deleted, missed so much of the fun..... bit rude to move it without telling OP imo, but hey thats just my opinion...


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August 27, 2011, 02:52:42 PM
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In all the threads on this topic I haven't been able to find a quote of what exactly is in these block headers that is supposed to be so controversial, just a bunch of chat logs where this is alluded to. Maybe "I'm eating a big juicy hamburger" would offend some vegetarian miner somewhere, but chances are that person gets offended by a lot of things in life and perhaps even seeks out things to be 'offended' about. As long as there is nothing illegal or really nasty (e.g. advocating hatred/violence against some group of people) then I could give a rat's ass what's in there.

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August 27, 2011, 03:03:59 PM
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How about the string that Luke-Jr is a pedophile then, which is also in the block chain?! I consider this VERY nasty, personally offensive and advocating hatred not just against him but (presumably) all members of the catholic church, as this seems to be the root cause for this accusation.

Maybe they talked about pools not relaying transactions? Something that is currently not encouraged or enforced - and actually hurt any pool, if they relay valuable transactions elsewhere.

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August 27, 2011, 03:08:15 PM
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How about the string that Luke-Jr is a pedophile then, which is also in the block chain?! I consider this VERY nasty, personally offensive and advocating hatred not just against him but (presumably) all members of the catholic church, as this seems to be the root cause for this accusation.

Maybe they talked about pools not relaying transactions? Something that is currently not encouraged or enforced - and actually hurt any pool, if they relay valuable transactions elsewhere.
OP is just saying that LukeJr must tell miners that Eligius put prayers in the blockchain
So...nothing to do with that

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August 27, 2011, 03:12:30 PM
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How about the string that Luke-Jr is a pedophile then, which is also in the block chain?!
That one is actual spam, and can never be deleted/pruned. (as opposed to my text, which is all coinbases: designed for short text messages, and can be deleted/pruned immediately)

OP is just saying that LukeJr must tell miners that Eligius put prayers in the blockchain
So...nothing to do with that
No, OP is just trolling. Miners don't do anything with the prayers. As one person put it, this is like complaining that a burger restaurant prints Bible verses on its sandwich wrappers.

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August 27, 2011, 03:36:17 PM
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In all the threads on this topic I haven't been able to find a quote of what exactly is in these block headers that is supposed to be so controversial, just a bunch of chat logs where this is alluded to. Maybe "I'm eating a big juicy hamburger" would offend some vegetarian miner somewhere, but chances are that person gets offended by a lot of things in life and perhaps even seeks out things to be 'offended' about. As long as there is nothing illegal or really nasty (e.g. advocating hatred/violence against some group of people) then I could give a rat's ass what's in there.
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August 27, 2011, 03:49:15 PM
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Nice.

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August 27, 2011, 06:59:03 PM
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In all the threads on this topic I haven't been able to find a quote of what exactly is in these block headers that is supposed to be so controversial, just a bunch of chat logs where this is alluded to.

Here:

Can we have links to a few blocks of Eligius to see this ourselves?

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O my God, I am heartily sorry for having offended Thee and I detest all my sins...
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I firmly resolve, with the help of Thy grace, to sin no more...
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August 28, 2011, 10:39:41 AM
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Just spotted this conversation in #bitcoin yesterday afternoon:

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17:53 < luke-jr> people should be hostile toward false religions and homosexuals, at least
17:53 < graingert> luke-jr: why homosexuals?
17:53 < luke-jr> graingert: same reason people should be hostile to serial killers
17:53 < graingert> luke-jr: because homosexuals go round killing people?
17:53 < luke-jr> worse
...
17:58 < Blitzboom> what’s worth than murder, homosexuality?
17:59 < Blitzboom> worse*
17:59 < noagendamarket> Apparently it is Blitzboom
17:59 < graingert> Blitzboom: someone who is luke-jr:gay is someone who is worse than a serial killer
17:59 < luke-jr> Blitzboom: yes

Sigh.

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August 28, 2011, 02:16:41 PM
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Just spotted this conversation in #bitcoin yesterday afternoon:

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17:53 < luke-jr> people should be hostile toward false religions and homosexuals, at least
17:53 < graingert> luke-jr: why homosexuals?
17:53 < luke-jr> graingert: same reason people should be hostile to serial killers
17:53 < graingert> luke-jr: because homosexuals go round killing people?
17:53 < luke-jr> worse
...
17:58 < Blitzboom> what’s worth than murder, homosexuality?
17:59 < Blitzboom> worse*
17:59 < noagendamarket> Apparently it is Blitzboom
17:59 < graingert> Blitzboom: someone who is luke-jr:gay is someone who is worse than a serial killer
17:59 < luke-jr> Blitzboom: yes

Sigh.

Must be trolling, I can't believe Luke-Jr actually wrote those.

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