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August 19, 2011, 02:05:40 AM
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I must start by saying i respect luke-jr for his input to BTC and coding skills.
But I am uncomfortable with this happening.

<luke-jr> cosurgi: by design, it contains "random" data-- I've just been setting some of that "random" data to prayers

<Graet> mm interesting luke-jr i understand you are strong in your faith but you dont think putting prayers in might alienate some ppl - after all btc is multidenominational
<luke-jr> Graet: Catholics do not believe in freedom of religion.
<Graet> and you make your non catholic miners aware of this?

no response to that last question.

this was brought to light after a corrupted TXN containing
 "LUKE-JR IS A PEDOPHILE! Oh, and god isn't real, sucka. Stop polluting the blockchain with your nonsense."

I do not think it is appropriate in this multicultural multi denominational thing we call Bitcoin.
Even for those that think prayers in blockheadrers is a good idea, what are your thoughts on the response so far and do you think it will improve or just get much worse?

I can just see stupid header wars that will hurt Bitcoin.

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August 19, 2011, 02:33:13 AM
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But I am uncomfortable with this happening.
Honestly, I expected better from you. This is a terrible way to try to win people to your pool.

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August 19, 2011, 02:43:52 AM
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But I am uncomfortable with this happening.
Honestly, I expected better from you. This is a terrible way to try to win people to your pool.
ROFL [edit] i wouldnt expext SMPPS miners to move to my prop pool
It has nothing to do with winning people. It is about pool owners disclosing to thier members what they are actually doing.
If your members are all comfortable with what you are doing - thats fine. But have you asked or informed them?

But
To me it is a very real concern that messages like the TXN aimed at you will proliferate and detract from the great thing that Bitcoin can potentially be.
Do you honestly think TXN s including PEDOPHILE accusations is a good thing for bitcoin going forward? (i am not accusing you just using the message aimed at you as an example) and it wont stop there.

I would like to see Bitcoin become more mainstream. header/txn wars arent going to help Bitcoin succeed among mainstream public.


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August 19, 2011, 02:56:44 AM
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lol @ people letting religion affect them. Religious folk are a dying breed so heres what I say.



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August 19, 2011, 08:07:20 AM
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Amusing stance from luke about, "catholics do not believe in freedom of religion"

Hahaha wow thats bad-ass!

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August 19, 2011, 10:53:25 AM
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<luke-jr> Graet: Catholics do not believe in freedom of religion.

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August 19, 2011, 12:01:18 PM
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Well after asking the same question in #bitcoin-dev (logged irc chan) #bitcoin and this forum luke-jr has not given an answer to the simple (yes or no) question "and you make your non catholic miners aware of this?"
If at any stage he had answered this I would have been happy and stopped.

He seems to be trying to divert attention with an accustaion that this is about raising my pool numbers. LOL

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August 19, 2011, 12:11:42 PM
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Well after asking the same question in #bitcoin-dev (logged irc chan) #bitcoin and this forum luke-jr has not given an answer to the simple (yes or no) question "and you make your non catholic miners aware of this?"
If at any stage he had answered this I would have been happy and stopped.

He seems to be trying to divert attention with an accustaion that this is about raising my pool numbers. LOL
It's random data, it could randomly be that. Why care?

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August 19, 2011, 12:34:10 PM
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1. Well members of other religions mining or Eligius might like to be aware.<- are they? Everyone seems to be avoiding answering that...makes me believe they have not been informed.
2. The txn in response wasnt good.
3. If it is deliberately put there it is not "random" - even if the data being replaced means nothing.
4. I care about bitcoin and it's future, Bitcoin is under close scrutiny from corporations, lawyers and other members of the general public - does anyone honestly believe that  
 "LUKE-JR IS A PEDOPHILE! Oh, and god isn't real, sucka. Stop polluting the blockchain with your nonsense." and similar will not be noticed? Do you think this sort of thing will encourage uptake of Bitcoin or be a barrier to its adoption by many people?

If Bitcoin wants to be real and play with the big boys it needs to address this issue.



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August 19, 2011, 12:35:37 PM
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I mine for Eligius.  I get BTC for submitting shares.  Is there any reason to put any more thought or effort into such a simplistic process?

I could care less what may or may not be in the block headers.  I would say if prayers bother someone they need to work on fixing their own state of mind rather than try an encourage others to agree that this is even a real issue.

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August 19, 2011, 12:58:18 PM
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I mine for Eligius as well and prayers have as much meaning to me as random data. If this keeps luke-jr working on Bitcoin projects I'm all for it. No-one can enforce political correctness in the block chain anyway.
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August 19, 2011, 01:14:31 PM
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Stop polluting the blockchain with your nonsense
Stop polluting the forums with your nonsense. Nobody cares.

Quit being such an anal whiner and get busy doing stuff that actually matters to the community, you know, just like luke-jr.

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August 19, 2011, 01:33:11 PM
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The prayers are a stupid gimmick that don't affect much.  They do kind of mess up Dan Kaminsky's cool hack, which is sad but probably inevitable.

That said, I'm surprised that people aren't more concerned about Luke-jr in general.  The guy is a shady christian fascist that shouldn't be trusted to run a hot dog stand, let alone run a semi-popular mining pool and contribute code to the Bitcoin client.

IRC logs where he expounds on his politics make for some fun reading:

http://bitcoinstats.com/irc/logs/2011/02/03/12
http://eligius.searchonirc.com/?d=2011-07-05-23

It's kind of odd that the overwhelmingly libertarian Bitcoin community puts up with him at all.  I guess the overall level of crazy around here is high enough that he just blends in.
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August 19, 2011, 01:39:00 PM
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Looks like I'm going to be bashed but I agree with Graet
Seriously what's the need? The only thing it can do is making other catholic flavour/muslim/jews/aliens say "hey there are christian prayers in the blockchain wtf I can't use that"

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August 19, 2011, 01:39:39 PM
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I mine for Eligius.  I get BTC for submitting shares.  Is there any reason to put any more thought or effort into such a simplistic process?

I could care less what may or may not be in the block headers.  I would say if prayers bother someone they need to work on fixing their own state of mind rather than try an encourage others to agree that this is even a real issue.



well said  Grin
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August 19, 2011, 01:52:46 PM
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Looks like I'm going to be bashed but I agree with Graet
Seriously what's the need? The only thing it can do is making other catholic flavour/muslim/jews/aliens say "hey there are christian prayers in the blockchain wtf I can't use that"

If they do, then they don't believe in freedom of religion as well. I couldn't care less if they stayed away from bitcoin. They can put their own prayers into the blockchain if they feel like it.

I personally don't have a problem with people believing in god or even putting prayers into places where I won't ever find them, even if I'd help doing so by mining at eligius. It *does* bother me what Luke-Jr said about freedom of religion, but maybe I'm just interpreting that wrong.

It's a fact that Luke-Jr's contributions, innovations and Eligius are a win for the bitcoin community. If I'm getting it right that Luke is against letting people believe in whatever they feel like, however, I'm disappointed.

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August 19, 2011, 01:55:53 PM
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This all is none of my business, but I do not like when all this religious crap is being pushed into my face and luke-jr's consistent arrogance and complete disregard to anyone but himself does not inspire any sympathy.



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August 19, 2011, 02:01:02 PM
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It *does* bother me what Luke-Jr said about freedom of religion, but maybe I'm just interpreting that wrong.

No, it should pretty much be taken at face value.  Here's some more:

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luke-jr   :   (23:58)       MSSmallBiz: there is no such thing as a non-Catholic Christian by definition
Yeti   :   (23:58)       luke-jr: close to a billion people disagree with you on that
luke-jr   :   (23:59)       Yeti: irrelevant
luke-jr   :   (23:59)       truth is not a democracy either
MSSmallBiz   :   (23:59)       luke-jr: then what do you call Baptist, just Baptist? A Episcopalian is ?
luke-jr   :   (23:59)       MSSmallBiz: heretics
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August 19, 2011, 02:02:53 PM
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It matters to me that my HDD's that hold the blockchain are getting even more cluttered with stupid religious shit.  Like transactions aren't enough...

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August 19, 2011, 02:37:02 PM
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luke-jr   :   (23:59)       MSSmallBiz: heretics

Wow, that's where I'd probably stop mining at eligius if I had my miner there. WTF. Huh

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