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August 21, 2011, 12:14:44 AM
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I find it a bit laughable to embed prayers in english, but well... thanks for the strings anyways and the advice how to get them.

He can just hope that god can decode ASCII… maybe if he spends more bitcoins on the corresponding transactions he will listen  Roll Eyes
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August 21, 2011, 12:21:02 AM
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I'm against this too. What's the point in cluttering up the entire bitcoin network and people's HDDs with narrow minded garbage like this. Keep your religious beliefs to yourselves and it won't cause any trouble, but this is just pushing it in people's faces and obviously causing problems (very pointless and unnecessary problems at that).

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August 21, 2011, 01:16:32 AM
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Why are there still no ASCII penises in the block chain?!

This is a great idea.  Someone do it.
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August 21, 2011, 01:26:49 AM
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For the record, I don't endorse block chain spam. I'm also not interested in participating in (this) Graet's troll/FUD thread.

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August 21, 2011, 01:48:16 AM
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For the record, I don't endorse block chain spam. I'm also not interested in participating in (this) Graet's troll/FUD thread.

lol

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August 21, 2011, 02:08:13 AM
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Coinbase: 07456c696769757303c04e063f002e2e2e204f2064756c63697320566972676f204d617269612e2 04f72612070726f206e6f6269732c2073616e637461204465692047656e65747269782e00 (ᝣEligiusᝣᝣNᝣ?ᝣ... O dulcis Virgo Maria. Ora pro nobis, sancta Dei Genetrix.ᝣ)
from http://pident.artefact2.com/block/000000000000070f4407e0cf384e05275b7a0f31876baf3636b84cae341f4dc7

Coinbase: 07456c6967697573030ea2002d0057652061646f726520546865652c204f204368726973742c206 16e6420776520626c65737320546865653b00 (ᝣEligiusᝣᝣᝣᝣ-ᝣWe adore Thee, O Christ, and we bless Thee;ᝣ)
http://pident.artefact2.com/block/00000000000002fa5ae8d386077c6279c977f14a948b36d93d180e3cc939dad9

infact http://pident.artefact2.com/block any recent Eligius block

"I don't like generalisations in general (Wink) but some posts here are really nothing better than some (out of context) statements of Luke-Jr"
 this is why i have only quoted irc from #bitcoin-dev on irc.freenone.net they are publically logged and anyone is welcome to read the WHOLE conversation Smiley There have been plenty of conversations in other chans but i will not introduce that as it cannot be publicly verified.

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"Putting aside the content discussion, I propose that all messages in the block chain are graffiti and we should (as a community)  work to clean it up. If someone were to embed child pornography in the block chain, and a week later publish instructions on how to access it we would ALL be guilty of possession."  

bcforum has hit the nail on the head.

Personally i believe freedom of religion is anyones choice, unfortunate that it was prayers that caused this to start, really it could have been anything put in the blockheader by any pool owner that caused this discussion.

Thanks again to those that take time to think AND are concerned for Bitcoins future Smiley

I wonder peoples reactions would have been different if i wasnt a pool owner? I refrain from posting on a lot of threads because i KNOW it will be accused of self intertest. I thought coinbase and transaction spam was an issue the whole community needed to be aware of. I propably chose the wrong topic for this thread, but at the time just wanted to knw if luke-jr has informed miners on Eligius, so that those of other faiths could know what was happening on the blocks they were contributing to and have a choice to participate or not.

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August 21, 2011, 02:42:14 AM
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I really don't care that much, but given a choice, I'd rather contribute my MH/s to a different pool...

Maybe I'll put an ASCII penis in if I ever have enough GH/s solo mine a block...

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August 21, 2011, 02:46:18 AM
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I'd be pissed if my hashing power would've been used for this without notifying me.
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August 21, 2011, 08:42:46 AM
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Eligius removed from my list of pools.

For the record, I don't endorse block chain spam.
Interesting. Your religious mumbo jumbo is just as valuable to me as Viagra ads. It is, for all intents and purposes, spam.

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August 21, 2011, 09:30:22 AM
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If that's a real wallet, I'll donate, just for your creativity...

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August 21, 2011, 09:40:28 AM
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luke is a better troll than all of you
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August 21, 2011, 10:03:23 AM
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lol @ people letting religion affect them. Religious folk are a dying breed so heres what I say.
I wish it was that easy, but I'm afraid it's not. Religion affects us whether we want it or not (just look at the US presidency). It needs to be actively worked against if the human race is ever going to have any kind of positive future.

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August 21, 2011, 11:03:24 AM
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lol @ people letting religion affect them. Religious folk are a dying breed so heres what I say.
I wish it was that easy, but I'm afraid it's not. Religion affects us whether we want it or not (just look at the US presidency). It needs to be actively worked against if the human race is ever going to have any kind of positive future.

Religion affects the presidency because not declaring a faith during an election is political suicide in current american society.
It also makes a candidate lose significant votes from family-centric, conservative and religious communities.

Even if you don't believe in anything, you *have* to declare a faith in the US political system if you want to get elected into any significant office.
There are just about zero self-professed atheists or agnostics in any elected government post for this reason.

http://www.adherents.com/adh_congress.html

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August 21, 2011, 11:15:40 AM
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Religion affects the presidency because not declaring a faith during an election is political suicide in current american society.
It also makes a candidate lose significant votes from family-centric, conservative and religious communities.

Even if you don't believe in anything, you *have* to declare a faith in the US political system if you want to get elected into any significant office.
There are just about zero self-professed atheists or agnostics in any elected government post for this reason.

http://www.adherents.com/adh_congress.html
That's true of course, but in this instance I was referring to the religious fanatics that could very well be elected in the near future:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/blogpost/post/dominionism-a-dangerous-christian-movement-with-an-influence-on-michelle-bachmann-and-rick-perry/2011/08/15/gIQAydn5GJ_blog.html

Bachman and Perry aren't atheists that put on a religious facade in order to be able to run. These people are the Al-Qaeda of Christianity.

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August 21, 2011, 09:42:10 PM
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It seems too many people might be taking this thread too seriously (although Eligius actually had a surge of miners join not long after it was posted...), so I'm "forced" to respond. In short, there is no technical problem with the prayers, and they do not involve Eligius miners any differently than solo miners-- the only reason I can speculate Graet posted this (since he won't give a rational reason) is to grab more miners to his pool or some kind of subtle anti-Catholic agenda (he denies both).

Personally i believe freedom of religion is anyones choice, unfortunate that it was prayers that caused this to start, really it could have been anything put in the blockheader by any pool owner that caused this discussion.
Yeah right. Nevermind the fact that it was actually started with political propaganda in the Genesys block by Satoshi himself, setting a clear and undeniable precedent.

Thanks again to those that take time to think AND are concerned for Bitcoins future Smiley
Anyone who can think knows this is at the very least neutral, and at best positive.

I thought coinbase and transaction spam was an issue the whole community needed to be aware of.
Coinbases and transaction spam are two entirely different things. Transaction spam serves no purpose, destroys coins, and can never be purged from the block chain. Coinbases can contain text messages by design, and can be purged immediately from your block chain.

I propably chose the wrong topic for this thread, but at the time just wanted to knw if luke-jr has informed miners on Eligius, so that those of other faiths could know what was happening on the blocks they were contributing to and have a choice to participate or not.
Miners do not participate at Eligius any more than they do at other pools or solo mining. Miners hash the prayers indirectly through multiple layers of SHA256 whether they are mining on Eligius or not. Furthermore, I have not been at all secretive about either the Catholic theme of St. Eligius, nor the fact that I have been including prayers rather than pure random data in the coinbase.

Graet is quick to deflect his "argument" to real block chain spam, and claim I am at fault for that. However, it doesn't take much thinking to realize this is the same as arguing that a rape victim is responsible for being raped. "Oh, you were putting prayers, so you're at fault for a troll really spamming the block chain with slander." "Oh, you were acting so good, so you're at fault for a rapist wanting to take away your innocence." This blame-the-victim attitude is IMO disgusting.

Also: Could this impact security of the blockchain somehow? If it is supposed to be random data there (whereever these prayers are) but this data isn't as random as it could be, this might not be "a good thing (TM)".
It's supposed to be random enough that miners aren't working on the same hashes. In practice, this only requires a few bytes of unique data, which Eligius guarantees by putting the usual extranonce at the start of the coinbase (the prayers are at the end, after the extranonce + "Eligius"). As noted, Satoshi himself endorsed putting text content in the coinbase with the Genesys block, so it would be silly to argue it creates any real problems.

If it bothers you than don't use his pool. For fuck sake its named st eligius after the patron saint of goldsmiths. I am catholic as well and as far as I know other religions are recognized. I went to catholic school for 12 years. This thread is retarded, hey guys I'm going to pray for all of you, and if you don't like it well fuck you, your going to heaven anyways. Tongue
St. Eligius actually is also the patron saint of miners, coin collectors,  and minters. Great, that you are Catholic, but I would recommend studying your religion a bit more-- especially the Syllabus of Errors condemned by Pope Pius IX, and the dogma of Extra Ecclesiam Nulla Salus ("Outside the Church there is no salvation").

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August 22, 2011, 02:50:05 AM
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I think the issue that leaped from the OP is more in line with your catholic agenda rather than the prayer messages now.

You do seem rather militant with the rather rediculous approaches to non-catholics as stated in the logs posted.

I assure you the overall neutral approach to people(like you) acting out about their specific allmighty religion would not be seen/handled/acceptable to the vast majority of people if it were not christian orientated but rather muslim in this case and not to mention be called a terrorist.

The thread just opened up yet again how all religions have their militant religious nutjob terrorist inside.

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August 22, 2011, 06:26:59 AM
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I think the issue that leaped from the OP is more in line with your catholic agenda rather than the prayer messages now.

You do seem rather militant with the rather rediculous approaches to non-catholics as stated in the logs posted.

I assure you the overall neutral approach to people(like you) acting out about their specific allmighty religion would not be seen/handled/acceptable to the vast majority of people if it were not christian orientated but rather muslim in this case and not to mention be called a terrorist.

The thread just opened up yet again how all religions have their militant religious nutjob terrorist inside.

Dont you think calling him a nutjob and a terrorist might be going a little bit too far? 
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August 22, 2011, 06:51:51 AM
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This thread is a waste of time. I want my 2 minutes back.

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August 22, 2011, 06:59:43 AM
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This thread is a waste of time. I want my 2 minutes back.

This post was a waste of me time.  I want my 2 seconds back.
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August 22, 2011, 05:23:55 PM
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FWIW - I've moved my modest miners off eligius.
I loved the tribute to Len Sassaman in the chain - but in contrast I find it a pretty sad commentary on humanity that superstition persists and rears it's brainless head even in these high tech corners.

What a powerful meme religion is though..  like a rapist wielding rohypnol - it opportunistically and crudely inserts it's seed into any innocent space it can find.. such is it's incessant will to spread.

Not that our blockchain was quite virginal - but how sullied it is now!  


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