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[pankkake]

This forum serves no purpose besides slowly but surely robbing users of their coins.
Do not trust anyone, especially at the higher level.
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[gmaxwell]

And since many mods are probably "invested" in these scams, what else to expect?

Wait.  I can get paid for our communities inability to keep from getting itself ripped off???

[NickDanger]

[rantings]
The other person "Nick Danger" is also crumbs (Another troll that was already banned) and will hopefully be banned once I mod realises this
[ravings]

Again I ask you, Bargraphics, whose sock are you?  You don't really expect us to believe that you joined this forum in June just to unload your worthless TerraHash pre-order to some starry-eyed n00b, in your FIRST POST?

[Entropy-uc]

And since many mods are probably "invested" in these scams, what else to expect?

Wait.  I can get paid for our communities inability to keep from getting itself ripped off???

How many threads full of BFL's lies from 2012 were moved from this forum to 'OFF-TOPIC'?

Moderators have taken an active and quite biased role in the development of this ridiculous business model.

[gmaxwell]

I'm just saying there is a conflict of interest.

You might be saying it, but it's not true. I'm curious as to why you think it.

WRT offtopic, things which are not at all related to the buying and selling of hardware— including garbage like posting pictures of various peoples family member and other grade-school rubbish are offtopic and they're going to get moved. If you don't like it, stay the @#$@ out of the subforum.

(This thread is offtopic too— but since you're accusing the moderators here, I suppose it falls with an acceptable level of meta at least in its own thread)

[Xian01]

And since many mods are probably "invested" in these scams, what else to expect?

Wait.  I can get paid for our communities inability to keep from getting itself ripped off???

 You said it. It's genuinely silly to think we have a social contract with the owners and moderators of this forum !

[Xian01]

WRT offtopic, things which are not at all related to the buying and selling of hardware— including garbage like posting pictures of various peoples family member and other grade-school rubbish are offtopic and they're going to get moved. If you don't like it, stay the @#$@ out of the subforum.

 But doxxing... Doxxing is OK.

[Entropy-uc]

I'm just saying there is a conflict of interest.

You might be saying it, but it's not true. I'm curious as to why you think it.

WRT offtopic, things which are not at all related to the buying and selling of hardware— including garbage like posting pictures of various peoples family member and other grade-school rubbish are offtopic and they're going to get moved. If you don't like it, stay the @#$@ out of the subforum.

(This thread is offtopic too— but since you're accusing the moderators here, I suppose it falls with an acceptable level of meta at least in its own thread)

What are you talking about?

I am talking about nearly every thread created by BFL pitching their ASICs in the late spring / early summer of 2012 being hidden in off-topic.

I can't say when they were moved, but there were many threads full of claims that were obviously false by early 2013 that were no longer where they belonged when I looked in that time frame.

Who moved them?  And why?

[Inaba]

And since many mods are probably "invested" in these scams, what else to expect?

Wait.  I can get paid for our communities inability to keep from getting itself ripped off???

How many threads full of BFL's lies from 2012 were moved from this forum to 'OFF-TOPIC'?

Moderators have taken an active and quite biased role in the development of this ridiculous business model.

That's easy to answer! The answer is 0.  You're the only proven liar here so far that I know of.  The moderators need to moderate more and remove all the trash that clogs up this subforum... if they were "in" on anything, they'd be removing all the useless junk people like you post.  Since your utter trash remains, it stands to reason the mods aren't "in" on anything... if only they were, life would be so much more pleasant without people like you around, spewing lie after lie because you are butthurt over something trivial.

[Entropy-uc]

I have Inaba on ignore.  But I assume he's busy claiming to not be a liar.  Here is case in point, posted today:

Update on BFL Black Friday Jalapeno purchase:

I've only opened two so far. One of the 9Gh/s models was running extremely hot (75c) so this was my first victim/patient. I opened it and found 3 chips installed (new version), firmware 2.92 label, a test date of 12/21 (so much for "in stock for immediate delivery"), and the fan blowing down onto the chips. I flipped the fan, replaced the thermal pad with artic silver alumina, put a layer of alumina between the bottom of the board and the aluminum plate and it is now running at 9+ Gh/s at a much more reasonable 61c.

[gmaxwell]

I am talking about nearly every thread created by BFL pitching their ASICs in the late spring / early summer of 2012 being hidden in off-topic.

Hm? Link me to some of them.

[NickDanger]

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WRT offtopic, things which are not at all related to the buying and selling of hardware— including garbage like posting pictures of various peoples family member and other grade-school rubbish are offtopic and they're going to get moved. If you don't like it, stay the @#$@ out of the subforum.
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Wait a sec, would you be talking about the picture of one of Active Mining's directors?  The one where he's tied up in the trunk of a 70s Dodge parked smack in the middle of an empty warehouse?  The warehouse that was supposed to be Active Mining's sole production facility?
That family picture?
Since Ken's company is staffed exclusively by people whose last names are "Slaughter," it's kind'o tough to talk about the company without dragging the family into the pic.

[Entropy-uc]

I am talking about nearly every thread created by BFL pitching their ASICs in the late spring / early summer of 2012 being hidden in off-topic.

Hm? Link me to some of them.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=83985.0

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=89922.0

I'm sure there are many more, but that should be enough to make the point.

[SirWizz]

Heh, I have one of the mods on this subforum on ignore, the guy is a disaster as a moderator IMHO. Crumbs might have stepped on a few toes but I didn't see any reason for him to be banned (not that I have read ALL his posts but what I have read would not have qualified for the ban hammer).

Bring back crumbs, I miss the old chap! 

[Inaba]

Heh, I have one of the mods on this subforum on ignore, the guy is a disaster as a moderator IMHO. Crumbs might have stepped on a few toes but I didn't see any reason for him to be banned (not that I have read ALL his posts but what I have read would not have qualified for the ban hammer).

Bring back crumbs, I miss the old chap! 

Crumbs went way overboard.

Make your point, defend yourself against attacks, and move on.  50 posts a day in the same thread really didn't help his case.  I actually started to suspect he was there to make the naysayers look bad.

I think most of the activity in Activemining threads is one person talking to his socks.

I think someone needs to take a close look in the mirror, lol!

[gmaxwell]

I am talking about nearly every thread created by BFL pitching their ASICs in the late spring / early summer of 2012 being hidden in off-topic.

Hm? Link me to some of them.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=83985.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=89922.0
I'm sure there are many more, but that should be enough to make the point.

"I'd be treated with more respect if I paid 18K at a car dealership." isn't a thread created by BFL pitching their ASIC.

The other is though, heck if I remember why it was moved— and it was _probably_ me that did it, as I think I've done most of the thread moves in the form. If it was it might have been because by the end of it was totally offtopic and I wanted people to start new ones, or it could have just been a mistake.  I'll ask that it be moved back.

A lot of both the PRO and ANTI BFL people behaved in ways that made me think they were double-agents really shilling for the opposite side. I've seldom seen behavior so reprehensible.

[Entropy-uc]

I am talking about nearly every thread created by BFL pitching their ASICs in the late spring / early summer of 2012 being hidden in off-topic.

Hm? Link me to some of them.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=83985.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=89922.0
I'm sure there are many more, but that should be enough to make the point.

"I'd be treated with more respect if I paid 18K at a car dealership." isn't a thread created by BFL pitching their ASIC.

The other is though, heck if I remember why it was moved— and it was _probably_ me that did it, as I think I've done most of the thread moves in the form. If it was it might have been because by the end of it was totally offtopic and I wanted people to start new ones, or it could have just been a mistake.  I'll ask that it be moved back.

A lot of both the PRO and ANTI BFL people behaved in ways that made me think they were double-agents really shilling for the opposite side. I've seldom seen behavior so reprehensible.

It got badly out of hand.

Of course, in the same time frame if you said pirateat40 was running a ponzi scheme, or mining bonds were an investment designed to part fools from their money you would be flamed into oblivion.

It's a shame the message of "I'd be treated with more respect if I paid 18K at a car dealership." didn't get through.  The idea that it is reasonable to pay 100% upfront months in advance of delivery has cost many, many people on here huge chunks of money.  I did spectacularly well investing in FPGAs that everyone thought were worthless because of the fraud perpetrated on this community by BFL. 

Better yet, they soaked up most investment money interested in Bitcoin so difficulty stayed largely flat from June '12 to Feb '13.

Thanks Josh! :-)

[Bicknellski]

WRT offtopic, things which are not at all related to the buying and selling of hardware— including garbage like posting pictures of various peoples family member and other grade-school rubbish are offtopic and they're going to get moved. If you don't like it, stay the @#$@ out of the subforum.

 But doxxing... Doxxing is OK.

+1 Where are the mods on this?

It is clear that has happened and NOTHING has been done. No warnings? No bans?

That is just beyond belief.

[gmaxwell]

What do you want— if its active threats, sure— I'll remove them just to keep the tone more polite.  But disclosing someone's name?  I do not have a flyswatter big-enough to put a cork back in the genie.

[Bicknellski]

What do you want— if its active threats, sure— I'll remove them just to keep the tone more polite.  But disclosing someone's name?  I do not have a flyswatter big-enough to put a cork back in the genie.

There is clearly a PATTERN.

If you can't moderate based on that what good is it having moderation.

There is a concerted effort to defame people and lie and having had to report more than 20 to 30 of these alone from Inaba on my reputation at what point does a sanction get implemented? I get you are busy and have a life and all but at some point you know what is happening here right. I am just one person that has been lied about continuously by the "pro"BFL types and Inaba himself.

What can you do? Warn em. Ban em. Right? It isn't about freedom of speech or openness it about people purposefully intending to derail every thread that negatively reflects the REALITY of the BFL situation. At some point you have to be an honest arbiter in this do you not? Doesn't matter if I stay on topic and post ONLY about the topic... at some point Inaba Slok or BCP19 and or others will come along and attack the person not the information. That has to stop no? You seem to think we all enjoy this constant negativity? We don't we want to have honest and open discussions about things that affect us all and to be honest you know and I know BFL has not been a willing participant here to being honest and open. They with almost every post try to derail the topics.