★★DigiByte|极特币★★[DGB]✔ Core v6.16.5.1 - DigiShield, DigiSpeed, Segwit

[George5]

Hey, mods!

Is it possible to make this thread moderated or start a new one? Coz this one becomes really ridiculous sometimes because of some inadequate individuals.

Just use the ignore user button.

Gets rid of heaps of clutter in most threads

It's true! But I think it would be also helpful to ban some guys once and for all).

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[ohsupgurl]

http://digiexplorer.info/

I've been mining on my pc for a couple of hours now (stopped once and started again).. this is the output

"[2015-10-22 19:01:19] thread 1: 7733265 hashes, 321.22 khash/s
[2015-10-22 19:01:19] accepted: 152/153 (99.35%), 1276 khash/s (yay!!!)
[2015-10-22 19:01:32] Stratum detected new block
[2015-10-22 19:01:32] thread 0: 6291584 hashes, 316.95 khash/s
[2015-10-22 19:01:32] thread 1: 4105038 hashes, 316.39 khash/s
[2015-10-22 19:01:32] thread 2: 12402180 hashes, 321.56 khash/s
[2015-10-22 19:01:32] thread 3: 11941193 hashes, 320.29 khash/s
[2015-10-22 19:01:35] thread 0: 993927 hashes, 307.41 khash/s
[2015-10-22 19:01:35] accepted: 153/154 (99.35%), 1266 khash/s (yay!!!)

but I'm not exactly too sure on how to read this, and I havent received any DGB yet. Any guidance?

What algo are you mining??

Check out the worker page http://digihash.co/workers and look for your wallet address

I'm using GROESTL. I actually was the first one to show up on that page. Doesn't seem all that promising..


Address   Shares   Invalid shares   Efficiency   Hashrate
DDCxYWm8DiQXLuX9WVC9rXNnc6tNbSJyd4   0   0   100%   858.99 KH

I'm up to here already. I guess I'm just not finding anything?

[2015-10-22 19:50:33] accepted: 251/252 (99.60%), 1343 khash/s (yay!!!)
[2015-10-22 19:50:42] Stratum detected new block
[2015-10-22 19:50:42] thread 3: 5958484 hashes, 345.46 khash/s
[2015-10-22 19:50:42] thread 2: 12393744 hashes, 345.35 khash/s
[2015-10-22 19:50:42] thread 1: 12652899 hashes, 344.45 khash/s
[2015-10-22 19:50:42] thread 0: 3060710 hashes, 341.54 khash/s
[2015-10-22 19:50:48] thread 1: 2008281 hashes, 342.69 khash/s
[2015-10-22 19:50:48] accepted: 252/253 (99.60%), 1375 khash/s (yay!!!)

[bogglor]

I'm using GROESTL. I actually was the first one to show up on that page. Doesn't seem all that promising..


Address   Shares   Invalid shares   Efficiency   Hashrate
DDCxYWm8DiQXLuX9WVC9rXNnc6tNbSJyd4   0   0   100%   858.99 KH

I'm up to here already. I guess I'm just not finding anything?

[2015-10-22 19:50:33] accepted: 251/252 (99.60%), 1343 khash/s (yay!!!)
[2015-10-22 19:50:42] Stratum detected new block
[2015-10-22 19:50:42] thread 3: 5958484 hashes, 345.46 khash/s
[2015-10-22 19:50:42] thread 2: 12393744 hashes, 345.35 khash/s
[2015-10-22 19:50:42] thread 1: 12652899 hashes, 344.45 khash/s
[2015-10-22 19:50:42] thread 0: 3060710 hashes, 341.54 khash/s
[2015-10-22 19:50:48] thread 1: 2008281 hashes, 342.69 khash/s
[2015-10-22 19:50:48] accepted: 252/253 (99.60%), 1375 khash/s (yay!!!)

The DigiHash pool doesn't pay out until you have 50 DGB.

Unfortunately that pool doesn't have any way to tell how much you have mined so far. There isn't any info that tells when blocks were found and what the payouts were.

One digibyte block currently pays out around 2179 DGB. Digihash pool takes 3% of that.

Looking at the stats on DigiHash, your hashrate is around 1% of the total groestl hashrate on that pool.

So for each groestl block that pool finds, you'll get about 21 DGB.

Keep track of when you are mining, and check the Graph Stats page to see how many pending groestl blocks there are. If the Pending groestl blocks increases while you are mining, then you can usually assume you'll make 20-ish DGB for that when it pays out.

Approximately after the pool finds 3 groestl blocks, while you are mining, you should get some sort of payout. (Of course this varies based on luck)

[rayaodi]

STOP BUYING DGB

Guys i have posted clearly. Me and my groups are out from pumping DGB, we made money and we are out.

Why am i giving you this free info?

SO you can join my group and not be left bagholding next time.
We are about to pump something else this big for few days.

good , i will buy..

[ohsupgurl]

I'm using GROESTL. I actually was the first one to show up on that page. Doesn't seem all that promising..


Address   Shares   Invalid shares   Efficiency   Hashrate
DDCxYWm8DiQXLuX9WVC9rXNnc6tNbSJyd4   0   0   100%   858.99 KH

I'm up to here already. I guess I'm just not finding anything?

[2015-10-22 19:50:33] accepted: 251/252 (99.60%), 1343 khash/s (yay!!!)
[2015-10-22 19:50:42] Stratum detected new block
[2015-10-22 19:50:42] thread 3: 5958484 hashes, 345.46 khash/s
[2015-10-22 19:50:42] thread 2: 12393744 hashes, 345.35 khash/s
[2015-10-22 19:50:42] thread 1: 12652899 hashes, 344.45 khash/s
[2015-10-22 19:50:42] thread 0: 3060710 hashes, 341.54 khash/s
[2015-10-22 19:50:48] thread 1: 2008281 hashes, 342.69 khash/s
[2015-10-22 19:50:48] accepted: 252/253 (99.60%), 1375 khash/s (yay!!!)

The DigiHash pool doesn't pay out until you have 50 DGB.

Unfortunately that pool doesn't have any way to tell how much you have mined so far. There isn't any info that tells when blocks were found and what the payouts were.

One digibyte block currently pays out around 2179 DGB. Digihash pool takes 3% of that.

Looking at the stats on DigiHash, your hashrate is around 1% of the total groestl hashrate on that pool.

So for each groestl block that pool finds, you'll get about 21 DGB.

Keep track of when you are mining, and check the Graph Stats page to see how many pending groestl blocks there are. If the Pending groestl blocks increases while you are mining, then you can usually assume you'll make 20-ish DGB for that when it pays out.

Approximately after the pool finds 3 groestl blocks, while you are mining, you should get some sort of payout. (Of course this varies based on luck)

Appreciate the info!

[MrPump]

STOP BUYING DGB

Guys i have posted clearly. Me and my groups are out from pumping DGB, we made money and we are out.

Why am i giving you this free info?

SO you can join my group and not be left bagholding next time.
We are about to pump something else this big for few days.

good , i will buy..

Great, but i made money already i sold all mine to bagholders like you on higher prices

[antonio8]

STOP BUYING DGB

Guys i have posted clearly. Me and my groups are out from pumping DGB, we made money and we are out.

Why am i giving you this free info?

SO you can join my group and not be left bagholding next time.
We are about to pump something else this big for few days.

good , i will buy..

Great, but i made money already i sold all mine to bagholders like you on higher prices

Why are you here then?

I thought you moved on.

[bobthenager]

he's accumulating more for round 2...SELL SELL SELL....right...

[snakey]

he's accumulating more for round 2...SELL SELL SELL....right...

Exactly, no one sell, just buy and hold.

See the 3 - 5 year plan, you wont regret it.

[benjamoyne]

STOP BUYING DGB

Guys i have posted clearly. Me and my groups are out from pumping DGB, we made money and we are out.

Why am i giving you this free info?

SO you can join my group and not be left bagholding next time.
We are about to pump something else this big for few days.

Ignore button is very useful for people like this, just dont quote him and we wont even know he existed.

[benjamoyne]

http://digiexplorer.info/

I've been mining on my pc for a couple of hours now (stopped once and started again).. this is the output

"[2015-10-22 19:01:19] thread 1: 7733265 hashes, 321.22 khash/s
[2015-10-22 19:01:19] accepted: 152/153 (99.35%), 1276 khash/s (yay!!!)
[2015-10-22 19:01:32] Stratum detected new block
[2015-10-22 19:01:32] thread 0: 6291584 hashes, 316.95 khash/s
[2015-10-22 19:01:32] thread 1: 4105038 hashes, 316.39 khash/s
[2015-10-22 19:01:32] thread 2: 12402180 hashes, 321.56 khash/s
[2015-10-22 19:01:32] thread 3: 11941193 hashes, 320.29 khash/s
[2015-10-22 19:01:35] thread 0: 993927 hashes, 307.41 khash/s
[2015-10-22 19:01:35] accepted: 153/154 (99.35%), 1266 khash/s (yay!!!)

but I'm not exactly too sure on how to read this, and I havent received any DGB yet. Any guidance?

What algo are you mining??

Check out the worker page http://digihash.co/workers and look for your wallet address

I'm using GROESTL. I actually was the first one to show up on that page. Doesn't seem all that promising..


Address   Shares   Invalid shares   Efficiency   Hashrate
DDCxYWm8DiQXLuX9WVC9rXNnc6tNbSJyd4   0   0   100%   858.99 KH

I'm up to here already. I guess I'm just not finding anything?

[2015-10-22 19:50:33] accepted: 251/252 (99.60%), 1343 khash/s (yay!!!)
[2015-10-22 19:50:42] Stratum detected new block
[2015-10-22 19:50:42] thread 3: 5958484 hashes, 345.46 khash/s
[2015-10-22 19:50:42] thread 2: 12393744 hashes, 345.35 khash/s
[2015-10-22 19:50:42] thread 1: 12652899 hashes, 344.45 khash/s
[2015-10-22 19:50:42] thread 0: 3060710 hashes, 341.54 khash/s
[2015-10-22 19:50:48] thread 1: 2008281 hashes, 342.69 khash/s
[2015-10-22 19:50:48] accepted: 252/253 (99.60%), 1375 khash/s (yay!!!)

Normally qubit and skein algos give the best payout.
check out https://www.whattomine.com/coins it shows you the best algo to mine with.

[EPLDCC]

Hello All,

Last time when I posted; my thread went ignored because of Price rise and everyone discussing DGB future. Expecting someone would help me now.

Hope you'll are doing great!!

This is regarding DGB GPU mining.

I am planning to custom built mining RIG to mine Digibyte and send some hash power to DGB network as well.
However, I am little confused about the hardware selection.
I was referring to this website http://www.coinminingrigs.com/ however I don't know how old the information is and will that work with DGB as well.

Which mining algorithm will you suggest me? Skein, Groestl or Qubit.

If I were to select hardware which would be more profitable? http://digibytewiki.com/index.php/Mining_hardware_comparison

I am planning to have one of any of these http://www.frys.com/search?search_type=regular&sqxts=1&cat=&query_string=GPUs+4+gb

With a 100GB SSD Drive, 4 GB Memory and with a best Motherboard and CPU suggested by you.

Once I setup rig. Where I can get software to mine DGB and what would be the best configuration? I was doing research on Google and found a video

Thanks for reading and I would highly appreciate, if you could help me start mining DGB.

I'm not sure that I can give you specific answers because much of your decision making process still needs to be finalized.  And, more important, once you figure out your hardware, you'll probably want to experiment with different variations, configurations, and settings to optimize it.

I haven't mined with GPUs for a long time (a couple of years).  Assuming you're going to run a pretty standard GPU setup ... a lot of people use something like multiminer, or a fork of multiminer.  You could also use the DigiHash mining software.  I something similar to multiminer for CPU mining on qubit.  I don't really earn any real mining rewards with the CPU mining - but it's fun - and I had a spare windows machine that pretty much sits unused 99% of the time.

I've never tried Skein ... but I've read really great things about it compared to scrypt.  Mostly I mine scrypt (ASIC not GPU).

Depending on how many cards you want to run, the ASRock MB-970EX4 is a pretty solid board.  I've used one with good success in the past.  If you're using the rig just for GPU mining, you don't really need to worry much about memory or processors.  My old rig doesn't even have a harddrive - when I was mining from my old rig, I was booting Ubuntu from a USB flash drive with a AMD sempron.  But, if you are going to use the system for other stuff it might be worth upgrading the RAM and drive.  I know I wish I'd put in good ones at a the start.  I decided to upgrade later when I began to use the system for other stuff.

Based on my experience - setting up your own mining rig is a lot like fine tuning a custom car.  Lots of people have advice, but your best bet is to get a solid foundation with good equipment - read about what other people have done with their rigs - and then begin to experiment and fine tune to your needs and desires.

[Telenong]

STOP BUYING DGB

Guys i have posted clearly. Me and my groups are out from pumping DGB, we made money and we are out.

Why am i giving you this free info?

SO you can join my group and not be left bagholding next time.
We are about to pump something else this big for few days.

Ignore button is very useful for people like this, just dont quote him and we wont even know he existed.

hei dude where is dumping? im waiting here 
"the clothesline yet appointed"

[yoyoamigo]

my buy orders are waiting too...down below. just sell it to us. we will be grateful. Digibyte will have a brighter future with us  
Oh and thanks for the pump too. I guess Bitcoin will have a brighter future with us too  

[EPLDCC]

Is it possible to mine DGB from my gaming desktop, or would that not be worth my time? If so, how would I go about doing that?

Yes it's possible to mine from your computer. One option is using the digihash miner, go to this webpage and read #3.

If you think the price will significantly increase, then it would be worth your time.

In the here and now, you'll spend more for the electricity to run your computer than you will make back in DGB.

6 questions for DGB team regarding MINING DGB:
1. Has any coin done this before or is this a first?
2. How many blocks do you get per month with a basic laptop ?
3. What algorithm is best and most powerful to choose for DGB?
4. How come DGB has 5 different algorithms ?
5. What is the best mining rig money can buy to mine DGB?
6. Isnt this unfair to people who cant afford fancy miner? - less reward..less often?

Although I'm not a member of the DGB development team, here are answers to your questions ...

1. Lots of coins have mining rewards.  The answer is: "no."  DigiByte was not the first to have mining rewards.  I'm seriously trying to figure out if "this" means "this" or maybe "this" means "that" or something else.  Grammatically, the first "this" in your first question refers to the "Mining DGB" in the title - and the second "this" refers back to the first "this" as an antecedent.  Therefore, here is my second answer, "no" DGB is not the first to introduce the word "this." My best guess is you meant the pronoun "this" in terms of multi-algo mining.  So, the question you didn't ask "if DGB was the first multi-algo coin?" ... again, the answer is no ... DGB was not the first multi-algo coin.  DigiByte was the first to introduce "DigiShield" - which retargets difficulty levels to account for multi-pool mining.  Several other coins (including coins with only one mining algorithm have integrated variations of DigiSheild).

2.  The second question doesn't make sense.  Mining rewards are not based on a regular reward schedule.  When a person buys mining equipment they are not buying rewards - they are purchasing processing power - and more processing power is like buying more chances to realize rewards.  But, there's no guarantee that a chance is a reward - more chances mean more chances (and thus more rewards - but it's not like buying DGB directly).   You could use a mining calculator to figure out an estimate; the real rewards might be higher or lower in any given time period.  My experience with mining DGB is that the rewards vary dramatically depending on many factors.  To try to answer your question as best I can ... Unless you have a pretty fantastic graphics card included in the quote-unqoute basic laptop ... you probably wouldn't get any substantial rewards.  Because a "basic laptop" will not come standard with a high end graphics card - you probably wouldn't get huge rewards.

3.  The best choice of algorithm depends on the constraints of your mining hardware.  I mine scrypt; I have an nice "FANCY" ASIC scrypt mining system, and ASIC scrypt mining equipment mines scrypt - there's no choice involved in the process.  I also CPU mine with qubit or scrypt (depending on my mood and the difficulty).  If you're using CPU or GPU mining you'll have more options than ASIC.  None are best or most powerful.  Each is different.  And, the answer would depend on your rig.

4.  DigiByte has 5 algorithms because 6 algorithms seemed like too many and 4 seemed like too few.  Actually, DGB forked to multi-algo mining and used the foundation of myriad.  It's not the same as myriad.  But, we use the same algorithms.

5.  Depends entirely on how much money you have to spend.  For $15 to $25 dollars you can pick up a used Gridseed 5-chip or SHA USB block eruptor.  For a few hundred you could buy a mid-range GPU.  For $700 you could buy a great GPU.  For $250 you could buy a good CPU for mining.  For between $500 and $1000 you could buy a mid-level ASIC.  For a couple of thousand you could buy the latest Bitmain.  

6.  I sometimes put little bows and ribbons on my miner - and tell it how special and fancy it is.  I believe that telling my miner that it's fancy makes it more successful.  Obviously, if the mining equipment feels fancy, it will be more effective at doing its job.  However, if you're asking a question about cost of investment against cost of return ... here's a different answer.  If we spend a few thousand dollars for mining equipment - then we're buying access to efficiency and higher processing power.  With a substantial initial investment we will receive a competitive advantage that will result in higher rewards than someone who doesn't invest as much.  It's not a question of fair or unfair.  Any time a block is accepted it has the same chance of getting a block reward.  The probability of reward doesn't increase with better equipment - the frequency does.  DGB is fair.  The DGB network does not distinguish between equipment - everyone has the same probability of solving any given block.  The frequency of finding a block does increase.  Higher processing power results in more blocks found per time interval.  Spending more money on equipment means we're investing more for higher processing power and/or better efficiency - but it also means we have a higher threshold for returns.  Your question is not a question about if DGB is fair.  The DGB network is fair.  Your question is about if economics is fair.  The answer is: "economics fair in theory; but not in practice."

[EPLDCC]

Guys i have posted clearly. Me and my groups are out from pumping DGB, we made money and we are out.

Why am i giving you this free info?

SO you can join my group and not be left bagholding next time.
We are about to pump something else this big for few days.

Dear Mr. Pump,

First, I would like to compliment you on your choice of screen name.  It is tremendous that you have the confidence to use a screen name that sounds like a sex toy for lonely, single teenage boys.

I am writing to inform you that "bagholding" is not an acceptable English verb.  There is an English idiom "left holding the bag." The idiom refers to a situation where a person is in current circumstance where they have an unwanted responsibility.  Your use of the term "bagholding" is inappropriate because, first it makes an unclear verb from a noun within an idiom, and second because it relies on an interpretation of "holding the bag" where the unwanted responsibility is to pay the debts of someone who took advantage of us.  Your use of the word "bagholding" derives from the idiom; but is an inappropriate translation of the idiom.  For those of use who study language - the term we use when a person makes a verb from a noun is verbification.  It is a frequent phenomenon.  For instance a person might use the verb "moisturize" because they don't know the verb "moisten."  You do the same with the word "bagholding."   Poor education and lack of diverse vocabulary results in the fact that people often make verbs from nouns.  Nonetheless, it is a bad habit and should be avoided in clear writing; the solution is to learn more verbs.  Your use of verbification with the word "bagholding" is doubly annoying because it relies on a bad translation of the original idiom.  

I'm not upset that you inappropriately use the word "bagholding" as a verb.  it is obvious that English is not your first language; and many people struggle with Google translate.

However, I would suggest revising your post.  You begin with the phrase about how you have "posted clearly."   You should revise - or preferably delete - that phrase.  You have not posted clearly.  The post is unclear because the grammar is unclear.

The economic term you are looking for is a Latin phrase.  Ex post regret.  Ex post regret is often used in relation to game theory, heuristics, and trading.  The phrase describes the circumstance when a trader regrets their decision(s) to buy, or sell, or hold "after the fact" - or "ex post."

If you will indulge me, I would like to take a bit of a digression here to clarify my criticism of your language.  I honestly don't care much about the grammar of posts, and I certainly don't judge people badely because of it.  I think the DGB community is strong because it is an international community - and I would never want someone to feel like they should not post because they don't have good grammar.  You are an exception because I am not criticizing you for your grammar.  I am analyzing your grammar and criticizing you for your intentions.

I do not give investment advice.  I approach DGB from the perspective of a value investor.  And, value investors stand in opposition to market manipulators.  Your efforts to pump coins falls in line with market manipulation.  So, I suppose that my approach stands against yours.  That being said, I do not worry about price (indicated as the current market value).  I didn't buy or sell during the current price volatility.  Instead, I look only at intrinsic value and work to understand the intrinsic values of DGB.  From my perspective, DGB has strong intrinsic value and competitive advantage.  I work to support an increase the intrinsic value of DGB through the community.

I will never post about price predictions.  When I post about the value of DGB, I'm referring to the underlying intrinsic value of the services, commodity, and DGB as an investment asset.  Clearly DGB (like many digital currencies) is not marked to market.

When people come into this forum spreading absurd positive price projections or writing posts that contain positive exclamations about the current market price; I assume they are interested in selling.  It is a common strategy of market manipulators.  They post unfounded positive price predictions; and, people who don't know better buy their positions.  Typically, the strategy is combined with slightly increased buy pressure and followed with significant sales that allow the seller to average down and make a profit.  For instance, there have been a couple of people in the discussion recently who consistently make unfounded assertions about the positive price movement.  I assume these people are trying to bluff their way out of established positions (in other words, they are sellers working to get the best price).

Market manipulators (like you) rely on differences between the impact of purchase and impact of sales on market price.  In certain conditions, it takes a smaller amount of buy orders to push the price up than it does sell orders to push the price down.  Or, in other circumstances, and depending on market conditions, opposite.

Therefore, when people come into this discussion and fill it with all sorts of nonsensical negative comments, I assume they are attempting to buy.  They are working to bluff their way into a better price.

Because I approach DGB as a value investor - I don't feel the influence of either strategy.  Market manipulators take advantage of momentum traders (people who buy when prices rise and sell when prices fall).    Information is one of the most valuable assets that a trader can use to their advantage.  If a trader actually has good information about the market price - it is not an advantage to share the information with other traders.  Therefore, anyone who makes assertions about the market price is attempting to influence other traders for their own advantage.

Your circumstance and your posts stand apart.  I've read through your posts and thread.  From the beginning, you establish that you cannot be trusted.  You betray the trust of your existing partnerships for your own benefit.  Then, without a second thought, you ask people to send you seed money for your own pump club.  Your logic is confusing - it essentially says:  "I cheat and betray my existing partners because I want you to trust me so you will send me your money; I manipulate markets and leave other inexperienced traders holding the bag - so join me."  Anyone who thinks through your logic will see the problem.

Now, let's get back to your bad grammar with your made-up word "bagholding."  Who is left holding the bag?  Your term, although a grammar nightmare, is subtly astute.  You give us a choice ... either join your pursuit of greed without consequence, and profit without morality, or - instead - face the prospect of being left holding the bag in the wake of your exploits.  I'll worry about the bag later and continue to look for value.

One of the greatest values of digital currency is that they offer an alternative to the established practices of greed and corruption in our existing financial system.  I believe that many of us got invloved in digital currencies because we believe in a better and more equitable approach to economic exchange.  It's sad to see you corrupting that ideal for personal benefit ...

[Th3P]

Good to see the community still active and strong after the so called "pump and dump"

[yoyoamigo]

DGB community must band together to avoid any of us becoming victims of market manipulators. i was once a victim (Jan/Feb 2015 pump&dump) but i became stronger by adapting and learning how things works and how i should work with all these. Either we get crush by the waves or we ride the waves.

fortunately for us, Mr.Pump is kind enough to let us know his/her presence. in the World of Stocks and Shares, its difficult to know who is manipulating the markets, who is pulling the strings, and way too many factors to consider...to take into account...to know what causes the price to rise or fall. So let us not hate or disregard his/her presence too much. we should acknowledge Mr.Pump and welcome with open arms, yet stand firm on our own grounds. It could have easily been another pumper&dumper and not Mr.Pump.

Once Digibyte makes it big, goes mainstream and global, Mr.Pump will only be a small pumper/dumper. We need to prepare ourselves for the real Big Players of the World of Investment...the whales of whales.

Thanks to my fall in Jan/Feb 2015 pump&dump, i rose higher than before.
You got adapted Mr.Pump (and to the other pumpers too)!

Remember Digibyters - Don't be Greedy, Be The Strategy

P.S. Mr.Pump, how about this? Instead of getting people here to join your pump group, why don't YOU join us? Don't sell all your DGB and forsake Digibyte. Pump Digibyte for real this time. Bringing its value (not price) to the skies. we have enough market manipulators in this world

[nanoprobe]

Go pump yourself with a cattle prod azzhat. Welcome to ignore.

P.S. Mr.Pump, how about this? Instead of getting people here to join your pump group, why don't YOU join us? Don't sell all your DGB and forsake Digibyte. Pump Digibyte for real this time. Bringing its value (not price) to the skies. we have enough market manipulators in this world

Good luck with that.

[Verias]

why has this become so active lol... go spam another topic.
 i can't keep up with reading all these pages.