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I am interested to find out more about ethereum scaling solutions. So far I've read about Raiden Network, Plasma / Plasma Cash, Striim (officially launched this week), Sharding and a bit about Casper.
With Raiden I am not sure why initially it was in the official Ethereum roadmap as "the lightning network of ethereum" or something like that, and now is a separate project. Nobody said anything about that but I think it's an important detail. Anyone knows? Looks like devs are still active on it.
About Plasma the issue with the exponential scalability resides in users having to download/authenticate each plasma block. So with Plasma Cash there would be an extra plasma coin with unique id created for every user every time they, say, deposit on an exchange and whatnot thus compared to Plasma have the only requisite to pay attention to the blocks that contain coins they want to track.
Then there's Striim by Hubii which is gonna bring an ethereum scaling solution and protocol but not too much info on it yet, other than the launch will be in a day or two and the striim tokens will be gradually airdropped to hbt token holders. Positive is their partnership with telenor which is gonna jumpstart the use of it for micropayments.
Differently from off-chain solutions like Striim and Raiden, Sharding is an on-chain scaling solution, i.e. it maintains all transactions on the original blockchain. Sharding basically allows for operations to run not in a linear way but simultaneously which results in higher TPS. In short with sharding the ethereum network is divided in multpile nodes (aka shards), which process all the transactions that occur within that group.
To me it seems sharding will be the most impactful but also will take the longest to implement; but being onchain it is also intrinsecally different from raiden and other offchain solutions which are easier to "plug" in the network do absorb dust transactions right out of the box.
Will offchain solutions continue to exist and be utilised even once solid onchain mechanisms are implemented?
I believe so. Scalability/security/decentralization is not only a trilemma, but really a cat-and-mouse game where you also have to compete against other aspiring networks and protocols which try to boost higher and higher tps (some of which aren't even a blockchain.. cough hashgraph cough..).

With Raiden, it looks like Vitalik Buterin wanted to pay them and help them make Ethereum Lightning Network but they made the whole thing a token (easy to guess why..). After that Vitalik kind of disendorsed them. In a nutshell, it is the only working solution at the moment. but formally unsuppported by the ethereum team.
Pretty much this?
so no more Raiden update and greed took control and destroyed a good colaboration . sad
cheers for info.



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May 22, 2018, 11:24:21 AM
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I wish the price would boom quickly Cheesy
Ethereum price will boom in near future. As you see that price of ethereum is getting down, right now standing at $679.
Don't worry few days ago china government provides ratings on cryptocurrencies., Ethereum scores very high in ratings.
Ethereum is on the top in china ratings. 80.3 in technology, 23.7 in applicability and 25.4 in creativity.
Total score obtained by ethereum is 129.4 points.  Cool Ethereum price will be boom soon.
Small drawdowns in the price - this is normal. But do not pay attention to this. Very soon we will have a flight to the moon. We have been waiting for this for a long time.
We are in mid of may and in past days ethereum pushed up to $830 then constantly pulled back to above $700.
This is a sign of ethereum can be any time move from a lower position to a higher one.
Let's hope ethereum will be cross ATH price in coming months and flight will be land in $5k.  Cool
It seems the ETH has good support around the $700 level. I think it will go up again soon.
yes eth is already up to 700$ price value
chines market is pushing eth coin as NO.1 blockchain in crypto
and i admit that eth is the no.1 blockchain
the future of eth is realy looks bright and hope eth coin price will cross or touch 2000$ in the very end of 2018

If the price of ETH is 2000 dollars in this year, it means it could be the No 1 coin.
Not sure about that. Remember the bitcoin price will always even higher. That means if that couldn't be true. Remember when ethereum worth around $1k and each bitcoin price will cost around $18k.
I just expect the price of ethereum to be doubled or tripled when the block reward of etheum will get a lot of decrease due to the pos update. It will have dropped from 3 to the 0.6 eth for every block. 

I do agree but how far it will help to the community when they start converting into POS. Bitcoin far behind and many people are making false guess about the market by comparing the bitcoin and ethereum price.

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May 22, 2018, 12:21:22 PM
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May 22, 2018, 12:25:24 PM
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May 22, 2018, 01:53:38 PM
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I am interested to find out more about ethereum scaling solutions. So far I've read about Raiden Network, Plasma / Plasma Cash, Striim (officially launched this week), Sharding and a bit about Casper.
With Raiden I am not sure why initially it was in the official Ethereum roadmap as "the lightning network of ethereum" or something like that, and now is a separate project. Nobody said anything about that but I think it's an important detail. Anyone knows? Looks like devs are still active on it.
About Plasma the issue with the exponential scalability resides in users having to download/authenticate each plasma block. So with Plasma Cash there would be an extra plasma coin with unique id created for every user every time they, say, deposit on an exchange and whatnot thus compared to Plasma have the only requisite to pay attention to the blocks that contain coins they want to track.
Then there's Striim by Hubii which is gonna bring an ethereum scaling solution and protocol but not too much info on it yet, other than the launch will be in a day or two and the striim tokens will be gradually airdropped to hbt token holders. Positive is their partnership with telenor which is gonna jumpstart the use of it for micropayments.
Differently from off-chain solutions like Striim and Raiden, Sharding is an on-chain scaling solution, i.e. it maintains all transactions on the original blockchain. Sharding basically allows for operations to run not in a linear way but simultaneously which results in higher TPS. In short with sharding the ethereum network is divided in multpile nodes (aka shards), which process all the transactions that occur within that group.
To me it seems sharding will be the most impactful but also will take the longest to implement; but being onchain it is also intrinsecally different from raiden and other offchain solutions which are easier to "plug" in the network do absorb dust transactions right out of the box.
Will offchain solutions continue to exist and be utilised even once solid onchain mechanisms are implemented?
I believe so. Scalability/security/decentralization is not only a trilemma, but really a cat-and-mouse game where you also have to compete against other aspiring networks and protocols which try to boost higher and higher tps (some of which aren't even a blockchain.. cough hashgraph cough..).

With Raiden, it looks like Vitalik Buterin wanted to pay them and help them make Ethereum Lightning Network but they made the whole thing a token (easy to guess why..). After that Vitalik kind of disendorsed them. In a nutshell, it is the only working solution at the moment. but formally unsuppported by the ethereum team.
Pretty much this?
so no more Raiden update and greed took control and destroyed a good colaboration . sad
cheers for info.

No worries and I agree, it's sad considering how things started between Raiden and the Ethereum team.
Let's see how Striim will go but from my understanding they will likely directly take the "on the market" approach as it is entirely tokenized and will be initially anchored to an exchange.

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May 22, 2018, 02:52:39 PM
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"Steve Wozniak: Ethereum Could Be The New Apple" added to vote on YEENOT TODAY https://yeenot.today/catalog/news/262
good for all ETH platform projects ?

Man that''s a pretty cool statement to read isn't it? Wink And maybe Ethereum can even become much bigger in terms of market capitalization.

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May 22, 2018, 03:45:19 PM
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This is an amazing news - China Ranks Ethereum as the World’s Best Blockchain Network, Bitcoin at #13
Yes, that`s fine! Interesting to see that NEO (Chinesse Ethereum, lol) has only 4th place in this rank despite the fact that NEO is very centralized (China doesn't like decentralized coins because they cant control it).

What is this ranking actually about and who created it? If you say China is it their Economics department or something?

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May 22, 2018, 04:24:18 PM
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I wish the price would boom quickly Cheesy
Ethereum price will boom in near future. As you see that price of ethereum is getting down, right now standing at $679.
Don't worry few days ago china government provides ratings on cryptocurrencies., Ethereum scores very high in ratings.
Ethereum is on the top in china ratings. 80.3 in technology, 23.7 in applicability and 25.4 in creativity.
Total score obtained by ethereum is 129.4 points.  Cool Ethereum price will be boom soon.
Small drawdowns in the price - this is normal. But do not pay attention to this. Very soon we will have a flight to the moon. We have been waiting for this for a long time.
We are in mid of may and in past days ethereum pushed up to $830 then constantly pulled back to above $700.
This is a sign of ethereum can be any time move from a lower position to a higher one.
Let's hope ethereum will be cross ATH price in coming months and flight will be land in $5k.  Cool
It seems the ETH has good support around the $700 level. I think it will go up again soon.
yes eth is already up to 700$ price value
chines market is pushing eth coin as NO.1 blockchain in crypto
and i admit that eth is the no.1 blockchain
the future of eth is realy looks bright and hope eth coin price will cross or touch 2000$ in the very end of 2018

If the price of ETH is 2000 dollars in this year, it means it could be the No 1 coin.
Not sure about that. Remember the bitcoin price will always even higher. That means if that couldn't be true. Remember when ethereum worth around $1k and each bitcoin price will cost around $18k.
I just expect the price of ethereum to be doubled or tripled when the block reward of etheum will get a lot of decrease due to the pos update. It will have dropped from 3 to the 0.6 eth for every block. 

I do agree but how far it will help to the community when they start converting into POS. Bitcoin far behind and many people are making false guess about the market by comparing the bitcoin and ethereum price.

Ya...assuming the btc and eth price stay tightly coupled is gonna lead you to trouble. Both have large communities, large volumes, and most important: direct avenues to fiat. Trying to estimate prices based on a comparison is bad idea.

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May 22, 2018, 07:12:43 PM
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I wish the price would boom quickly Cheesy
Ethereum price will boom in near future. As you see that price of ethereum is getting down, right now standing at $679.
Don't worry few days ago china government provides ratings on cryptocurrencies., Ethereum scores very high in ratings.
Ethereum is on the top in china ratings. 80.3 in technology, 23.7 in applicability and 25.4 in creativity.
Total score obtained by ethereum is 129.4 points.  Cool Ethereum price will be boom soon.
Small drawdowns in the price - this is normal. But do not pay attention to this. Very soon we will have a flight to the moon. We have been waiting for this for a long time.
We are in mid of may and in past days ethereum pushed up to $830 then constantly pulled back to above $700.
This is a sign of ethereum can be any time move from a lower position to a higher one.
Let's hope ethereum will be cross ATH price in coming months and flight will be land in $5k.  Cool
It seems the ETH has good support around the $700 level. I think it will go up again soon.
yes eth is already up to 700$ price value
chines market is pushing eth coin as NO.1 blockchain in crypto
and i admit that eth is the no.1 blockchain
the future of eth is realy looks bright and hope eth coin price will cross or touch 2000$ in the very end of 2018

If the price of ETH is 2000 dollars in this year, it means it could be the No 1 coin.
Not sure about that. Remember the bitcoin price will always even higher. That means if that couldn't be true. Remember when ethereum worth around $1k and each bitcoin price will cost around $18k.
I just expect the price of ethereum to be doubled or tripled when the block reward of etheum will get a lot of decrease due to the pos update. It will have dropped from 3 to the 0.6 eth for every block. 

I do agree but how far it will help to the community when they start converting into POS. Bitcoin far behind and many people are making false guess about the market by comparing the bitcoin and ethereum price.

Ya...assuming the btc and eth price stay tightly coupled is gonna lead you to trouble. Both have large communities, large volumes, and most important: direct avenues to fiat. Trying to estimate prices based on a comparison is bad idea.
well is eth rises then btc will also rise and one thing is for sure that btc price will always ahead from ethereum
i heard alot of news that bitcoin will again rise and when its rise it will break its previous all time high record
with this eth will follow bitcoin as always eth do
and its only possible when more investors with alot of money will jump in crypto and the total market cap will increase 1 trillion$

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May 22, 2018, 07:40:24 PM
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Any one can tell me what is goin on coz I see someone give away 243,2 eth for everyone at random Shocked.

This addreas he : https://etherscan.io/address/0x5ce6740cf225d9726aba221c693aa5dade4cf9ca

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May 22, 2018, 11:21:41 PM
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Good job! Dharma Protocol v1 is Live on the Ethereum Mainnet in Public Beta

https://blog.dharma.io/dharma-protocol-v1-is-live-on-mainnet-95f8ef770c2c

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May 23, 2018, 08:48:39 AM
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The price of Ethereum breaks the recent shock pattern of the box and enters the next section. 480 dollars may be a good location.
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May 23, 2018, 10:02:49 AM
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I am interested to find out more about ethereum scaling solutions. So far I've read about Raiden Network, Plasma / Plasma Cash, Striim (officially launched this week), Sharding and a bit about Casper.
With Raiden I am not sure why initially it was in the official Ethereum roadmap as "the lightning network of ethereum" or something like that, and now is a separate project. Nobody said anything about that but I think it's an important detail. Anyone knows? Looks like devs are still active on it.
About Plasma the issue with the exponential scalability resides in users having to download/authenticate each plasma block. So with Plasma Cash there would be an extra plasma coin with unique id created for every user every time they, say, deposit on an exchange and whatnot thus compared to Plasma have the only requisite to pay attention to the blocks that contain coins they want to track.
Then there's Striim by Hubii which is gonna bring an ethereum scaling solution and protocol but not too much info on it yet, other than the launch will be in a day or two and the striim tokens will be gradually airdropped to hbt token holders. Positive is their partnership with telenor which is gonna jumpstart the use of it for micropayments.
Differently from off-chain solutions like Striim and Raiden, Sharding is an on-chain scaling solution, i.e. it maintains all transactions on the original blockchain. Sharding basically allows for operations to run not in a linear way but simultaneously which results in higher TPS. In short with sharding the ethereum network is divided in multpile nodes (aka shards), which process all the transactions that occur within that group.
To me it seems sharding will be the most impactful but also will take the longest to implement; but being onchain it is also intrinsecally different from raiden and other offchain solutions which are easier to "plug" in the network do absorb dust transactions right out of the box.
Will offchain solutions continue to exist and be utilised even once solid onchain mechanisms are implemented?
I believe so. Scalability/security/decentralization is not only a trilemma, but really a cat-and-mouse game where you also have to compete against other aspiring networks and protocols which try to boost higher and higher tps (some of which aren't even a blockchain.. cough hashgraph cough..).
I agree with you, namely with your statement
"To me it seems like sharding will be the most impactful, but also on the inside, and on the other hand, it's also intrinsically different from raiden and other offchain solutions that are easier to plug in the network. of the box. "
It is these actions that should be carried out now.

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I am interested to find out more about ethereum scaling solutions. So far I've read about Raiden Network, Plasma / Plasma Cash, Striim (officially launched this week), Sharding and a bit about Casper.
With Raiden I am not sure why initially it was in the official Ethereum roadmap as "the lightning network of ethereum" or something like that, and now is a separate project. Nobody said anything about that but I think it's an important detail. Anyone knows? Looks like devs are still active on it.
About Plasma the issue with the exponential scalability resides in users having to download/authenticate each plasma block. So with Plasma Cash there would be an extra plasma coin with unique id created for every user every time they, say, deposit on an exchange and whatnot thus compared to Plasma have the only requisite to pay attention to the blocks that contain coins they want to track.
Then there's Striim by Hubii which is gonna bring an ethereum scaling solution and protocol but not too much info on it yet, other than the launch will be in a day or two and the striim tokens will be gradually airdropped to hbt token holders. Positive is their partnership with telenor which is gonna jumpstart the use of it for micropayments.
Differently from off-chain solutions like Striim and Raiden, Sharding is an on-chain scaling solution, i.e. it maintains all transactions on the original blockchain. Sharding basically allows for operations to run not in a linear way but simultaneously which results in higher TPS. In short with sharding the ethereum network is divided in multpile nodes (aka shards), which process all the transactions that occur within that group.
To me it seems sharding will be the most impactful but also will take the longest to implement; but being onchain it is also intrinsecally different from raiden and other offchain solutions which are easier to "plug" in the network do absorb dust transactions right out of the box.
Will offchain solutions continue to exist and be utilised even once solid onchain mechanisms are implemented?
I believe so. Scalability/security/decentralization is not only a trilemma, but really a cat-and-mouse game where you also have to compete against other aspiring networks and protocols which try to boost higher and higher tps (some of which aren't even a blockchain.. cough hashgraph cough..).

They held an ICO for the Raiden network and I'm sure that Vitalik was against it. Among all of these solutions my favourite is Sharding despite the fact that it will take more time to be implemented, I prefer an on chain solution

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May 23, 2018, 07:03:41 PM
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I wrote about Hubii's ethereum scaling solution Striim yesterday and there you go, it was just formally announced a couple of hours ago: https://medium.com/@jacobotoll/striim-hubii-is-scaling-the-ethereum-network-95f555d80fdc
Looks interesting, also for what concerns the "revenue will be generated from the moment Striim is deployed" part. The approach is more pragmatic and action-oriented rather than idealist/theoretical.
Seems like it will be deployed to the Ethereum public testnet in the coming week, and the whitepaper has been already written for what concerns the non-technical part (the rest will be prepared starting next week).

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May 23, 2018, 08:06:35 PM
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The price of Ethereum breaks the recent shock pattern of the box and enters the next section. 480 dollars may be a good location.
Now the market is too difficult situation. But we will continue to believe that at the end of the year the price will be $ 2000.

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May 23, 2018, 10:36:56 PM
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I wrote about Hubii's ethereum scaling solution Striim yesterday and there you go, it was just formally announced a couple of hours ago: https://medium.com/@jacobotoll/striim-hubii-is-scaling-the-ethereum-network-95f555d80fdc
Looks interesting, also for what concerns the "revenue will be generated from the moment Striim is deployed" part. The approach is more pragmatic and action-oriented rather than idealist/theoretical.
Seems like it will be deployed to the Ethereum public testnet in the coming week, and the whitepaper has been already written for what concerns the non-technical part (the rest will be prepared starting next week).

Thoughts?
Yeah recently i read article about Hubii's ethereum scaling solution Striim. Here is the beginning of Hubii Project, they haven't collected enough funds
but Hubii team managed this project wisely. They haven't spend money to get list on exchanges.
Let's hope Hubii will compete bravely with raiden network. Well i am very excited about Striim and Hubii Film.
Now waiting for Striim airdrop, news will be publish in coming weeks.  Smiley

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May 23, 2018, 10:42:30 PM
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I hope that ethereum can be independent and not dependent with bitcoin, ethereum being the # 1 choice in china and with large transaction volume then when bitcoin price drop then ethereum price should have skyrocketed so soon become # 1.

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May 24, 2018, 02:26:02 AM
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It will not be that easy to immediately overcome bitcoin. Bitcoin is bitcoin. The mother of all coins. But surely, algo of bitcoin is being surpassed by the new coins. Ethereums infrastructure are slowly being layed world wide. When more and more have used it and experienced it. Transaction payments, sending and receiving money. Knowing a much lower transfer fees. May be later, it can surpass bitcoin. Time is an essence for ethereum.

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I like ETH and mining ETH for everyday. But now mining very hard   Smiley

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