Why Don't Black People Use Bitcoins?

[Surawit]

Simple question: I'd like to discuss the demographics of the bitcoin community.

Why are there no people of color promoting bitcoin? What is it about bitcoin that disproportionately attracts white males? Could this extreme lack of diversity be ultimately harmful to bitcoin?

I've been following the bitcoin phenomenon for several months now. I've watched hundreds of youtube videos, read the blogs, seen the posts here, seen the conference footage from NYC... and until Bill Cosby I don't think I've seen a single African-American. OK that's not entirely true, I once spotted a dude who was in the onlyonetv studios once between broadcasts and he didn't speak at all.

From my perspective at the moment it seems the bitcoin proponents are almost entirely rich, white males with the occasional bored-looking female hanging around... Bitcoin, in a sense, could be viewed as a mechanism for prolonging the economic and social dominance of white males at the expense of everyone else. As we move towards a less racist, less sexist, more egalitarian society... Will bitcoin be a step backwards? [Well obviously it'll be a step forwards for us, but its going to be worse for everyone else]

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[Mousepotato]

Isn't DavinciJ15 (I think that's his username anyway) black?  Or is that just his avatar pic...

[BitcoinPorn]

Wow, this has to be the most ass backwards post I have read on Bitcoin.

So let's see, you are worried about either the color of peoples skin and/or the country from which they or their family heritage is from?

Now, you wish these "people of color" as you just called them, to promote Bitcoin for... ?  

Diversity?

You wish to continue prejudice and racism to help promote stopping it?

I am really fucking confused, but never have I seen such a racist post on Bitcoin.  Luckily I find it more amusing than insulting, as I'm sure it is just trolling, but whatever, caught me when I was bored, so I replied, so let's continue this discussion.

[BitcoinPorn]

Bitcoin, in a sense, could be viewed as a mechanism for prolonging the economic and social dominance of white males at the expense of everyone else. As we move towards a less racist, less sexist, more egalitarian society... Will bitcoin be a step backwards?

Only if you allow it to be with bullshit old school way of thoughts like this.

I bet you support things holding back society like Black History Month too?

Such a shit thread.     Less racism, less sexism, was already existing in Bitcoin.  Only old school ways of thoughts will keep it from progressing further imo.

[Surawit]

Only if you allow it to be with bullshit old school way of thoughts like this.

I bet you support things holding back society like Black History Month too?

Such a shit thread.     Less racism, less sexism, was already existing in Bitcoin.  Only old school ways of thoughts will keep it from progressing further imo.

AND WHERE IS OUR WHITE ENTERTAINMENT TELEVISION?

Fuck off back to stormfront please, this topic is for serious discussion.

[Alex Zee]

Why are so few black Nobel Prize winners?

[BitcoinPorn]

AND WHERE IS OUR WHITE ENTERTAINMENT TELEVISION?

Fuck off back to stormfront please, this topic is for serious discussion.

Fuck off yourself with your ass backwards way of thinking.  How about this, "ENTERTAINING TELEVISION"

You brought race into this, not me.

Full disclosure just to please Surawit, I'm multicultured, "White", whatever that means to you, is no doubt a portion of the things that make up me.

Why are so few black Nobel Prize winners?

AlexZ brings up a good question.  Not that his question itself was good, but that this same stupidity in reasoning behind the question could be applied to anything.

WHY ARE SO MANY BLACK PEOPLE NOT WHITE PEOPLE?

[Anonymous]

I'm a Hispanic bitcoiner but in the end it has little relevance. Who the fuck cares if the whole community is White? As far as I'm concerned, it's not like we ban people for being a certain race. It's just Bitcoin attracts people from a predominantly white culture. People of different races tend to have different cultures. Who knew? There is no oppressive inequality.

Anyways, this thread has little value, in my opinion. We're only begging for a pointless argument.

[N12]

I guess it’s because nerds are dominated by white males?

[FreeMonies]

Isn't obvious? Blacks don't have extra income to use for bitcoins?

[Anonymous]

I guess it’s because nerds are dominated by white males?

I couldn't of said it better. +1

[RodeoX]

What if you posted this question in Swahili?  
 

[Anonymous]

Isn't obvious? Blacks don't have extra income to use for bitcoins?

I could imagine people of the lower income brackets easily using Bitcoin. Especially through the mobile payment networks in Africa. Income has little to do with money as a tool.

[HolodeckJizzmopper]

Why are there no people of color promoting bitcoin? What is it about bitcoin that disproportionately attracts white males? Could this extreme lack of diversity be ultimately harmful to bitcoin?

[N12]

I mean, you could ask the same question for old people, women and poor people.

It’s true that the demographic of Bitcoiners is currently quite limited, and it is indeed an issue in that diversity could help us.

At least Bitcoiners are more diverse in political and economic ideology now, as far as I can tell.

[FreeMonies]

Isn't obvious? Blacks don't have extra income to use for bitcoins?

I could imagine people of the lower income brackets easily using Bitcoin. Especially through the mobile payment networks in Africa. Income has little to do with money as a tool.

Bitcoin isn't money... yet. Right now it's a sort of commodity.

And you still have to put money in to get bitcoins (short of charity.) so either way your thinking is flawed.

[BitcoinPorn]

things holding back society like Black History Month

Fuck off back to stormfront please

Did you check that link btw?  I think you just called this man

A member of stormfront.  It would be racist of me to assume he is black, but I will go out on a limb and say he isn't a member of stormfront, in fact, I am pretty sure he is God.

Surawit trolled during the wrong hour, sorry to ruin your fun

[BlockHash]

Bitcoin, in a sense, could be viewed as a mechanism for prolonging the economic and social dominance of white males at the expense of everyone else. As we move towards a less racist, less sexist, more egalitarian society... Will bitcoin be a step backwards?

Only if you allow it to be with bullshit old school way of thoughts like this.

I bet you support things holding back society like Black History Month too?

Such a shit thread.     Less racism, less sexism, was already existing in Bitcoin.  Only old school ways of thoughts will keep it from progressing further imo.

Celebrating the achievements of African American's is "holding back society"? In what way? Is it because you don't want people to realize that blacks have a history & heritage well beyond being entertainment in your sporting events?

Oh, and Morgan Freeman is the voice for all black people now. I got it.

[Anonymous]

Isn't obvious? Blacks don't have extra income to use for bitcoins?

I could imagine people of the lower income brackets easily using Bitcoin. Especially through the mobile payment networks in Africa. Income has little to do with money as a tool.

Bitcoin isn't money... yet. Right now it's a sort of commodity.

And you still have to put money in to get bitcoins (short of charity.) so either way your thinking is flawed.

It depends on your definition of poverty. At least 50% of all first-world "impoverished" people carry cellphones. It's safe to assume they have a credit card plus more. All that is needed to trigger a desire for Bitcoins is an exclusive service that uses them. Quite frankly, online gambling might be a trend with the first-world's poor through Bitcoin. It's not something I would like to see but it could happen.

So, no, my thinking is not flawed. The poor do carry money. Why they are considered poor and live in conditions one would consider poverty is another thread for another time.

[Surawit]

Thanks for reading the topic beyond the title guys, I can see why people complain about this forum  

I know why black people don't use bitcoins, its because bitcoiners are almost exclusively nerdy white guys. What I'm asking: In the future when bitcoin is in everyday use (and each coin is therefore massively valuable), the early adopters holding lots of currency are going to wield tremendous power in society. Would the lack of diversity amongst this group not be dangerous for wider society? It would be like only allowing white males to vote.

Even if it isn't going to be dangerous, will it be percieved to be dangerous? In this age of unparalled equality of opportunity, will the rest of the world happily accept a new economic order in which (surprise!) white guys are right at the top again? These are legitimate questions.

[BitcoinPorn]

Celebrating the achievements of African American's is "holding back society"? In what way? Is it because you don't want people to realize that blacks have a history & heritage well beyond being entertainment in your sporting events?

I see achievements humans make, I try not to bring in things like where they were born or what color their skin is get in the way of that.

Yay progress

[geek-trader]

I clicked in to see who had posted this, so I could "ignore" them, and I see I had already ignored the OP.

Ignore is your friend.

[Anonymous]

It would be like only allowing white males to vote.

No it would not be. Nobody is barring non-white people from Bitcoin. There is no oppression. There is no far-right neo-nazi agenda. It's just a matter of culture. African-Americans predominantly don't have an interest in open-source P2P currency projects. Society is not going to crumble into a Caucasian-driven tyranny because of this. Cultures may change, adapt, stagnate and so forth but nobody is going to be "oppressed" because of predominate interests among them.

[BlockHash]

Celebrating the achievements of African American's is "holding back society"? In what way? Is it because you don't want people to realize that blacks have a history & heritage well beyond being entertainment in your sporting events?

I see achievements humans make, I try not to bring in things like where they were born or what color their skin is get in the way of that.

Yay progress

While I think this is the ultimate end-goal, I think it's far too early to believe that society as a whole will do the same thing. If people want to celebrate their cultural heritage, I see no problem with it.

[BitcoinPorn]

Ah, here comes the ever clear headed thread starter ignoring thoughts on the topic and pushing through with the separatism

What I'm asking: In the future when bitcoin is in everyday use (and each coin is therefore massively valuable), the early adopters holding lots of currency are going to wield tremendous power in society. Would the lack of diversity amongst this group not be dangerous for wider society? It would be like only allowing white males to vote.

Lack of diversity regarding colors of peoples skin and/or what country they were born in is obviously not an issue with Bitcoin, as it is a worldwide thing.    But I am going to go ahead and assume with how racist you seem so far, you see "White People" from one side of world just the same as "White People" from another side, even though languages and history would dictate different.   

Or better yet, so no one is confused further with this thread, can you please define what you consider 'white people'?

Even if that definition is just 'anyone that isn't black or spanish', I am looking to find a gauge on how racist you are.

[Anonymous]

Ah, here comes the ever clear headed thread starter ignoring thoughts on the topic and pushing through with the separatism

What I'm asking: In the future when bitcoin is in everyday use (and each coin is therefore massively valuable), the early adopters holding lots of currency are going to wield tremendous power in society. Would the lack of diversity amongst this group not be dangerous for wider society? It would be like only allowing white males to vote.

Lack of diversity regarding colors of peoples skin and/or what country they were born in is obviously not an issue with Bitcoin, as it is a worldwide thing.    But I am going to go ahead and assume with how racist you seem so far, you see "White People" from one side of world just the same as "White People" from another side, even though languages and history would dictate different.  

Or better yet, so no one is confused further with this thread, can you please define what you consider 'white people'?

Even if that definition is just 'anyone that isn't black or spanish', I am looking to find a gauge on how racist you are.

Attacking the man's integrity and character isn't going to achieve much. I say we discuss his propositions rather than the man himself. At the absolute least, he has an interesting discussion to offer; contrary to my previous sentiments about this thread.

[im3w1l]

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=30.0

Few blacks doesn't mean only white. Just wanted to point it out. Also, while I am at it, the OP should ideally provide stronger evidence that there indeed are few black people here.

[Surawit]

No it would not be. Nobody is barring non-white people from Bitcoin. There is no oppression. There is no far-right neo-nazi agenda. It's just a matter of culture. African-Americans predominantly don't have an interest in open-source P2P currency projects. Society is not going to crumble into a Caucasian-driven tyranny because of this. Cultures may change, adapt, stagnate and so forth but nobody is going to be "oppressed" because of predominate interests among them.

Historically for much of the time voting was not restricted to whites or males, just to landowners. It just so happened that almost all the landowners were white males.

A Bitcoin economy would be the same: The people with power would be the early adopters (that's us! woo!), who are overwhelmingly white and male.

[FreeMonies]

When's white heritage month?  

[Anonymous]

No it would not be. Nobody is barring non-white people from Bitcoin. There is no oppression. There is no far-right neo-nazi agenda. It's just a matter of culture. African-Americans predominantly don't have an interest in open-source P2P currency projects. Society is not going to crumble into a Caucasian-driven tyranny because of this. Cultures may change, adapt, stagnate and so forth but nobody is going to be "oppressed" because of predominate interests among them.

Historically for much of the time voting was not restricted to whites or males, just to landowners. It just so happened that almost all the landowners were white males.

A Bitcoin economy would be the same: The people with power would be the early adopters (that's us! woo!), who are overwhelmingly white and male.

Well, it also ended up landowners had the most at stake when it came to democratic decisions while non-land owners had nothing of relevance. Civil rights and such were a societal force of the day and legislation did not touch said issues. Frankly, I don't believe in a free vote. People with something at stake should be the only ones allowed to vote.

Anyways, I don't believe in an amount of wealth judging how much power a person has. It's the means that facilitate the power that is the real issue. Bitcoin can only be a liberating cause in that sense since there is no central issuing authority.  

[im3w1l]

When's white heritage month?  

It begins with the international mens day

[BlockHash]

No it would not be. Nobody is barring non-white people from Bitcoin. There is no oppression. There is no far-right neo-nazi agenda. It's just a matter of culture. African-Americans predominantly don't have an interest in open-source P2P currency projects. Society is not going to crumble into a Caucasian-driven tyranny because of this. Cultures may change, adapt, stagnate and so forth but nobody is going to be "oppressed" because of predominate interests among them.

Historically for much of the time voting was not restricted to whites or males, just to landowners. It just so happened that almost all the landowners were white males.

A Bitcoin economy would be the same: The people with power would be the early adopters (that's us! woo!), who are overwhelmingly white and male.

Well, it also ended up landowners had the most at stake when it came to democratic decisions while non-land owners had nothing of relevance. Civil rights and such were a societal force of the day and legislation did not touch said issues.

Anyways, I don't believe in an amount of wealth judging how much a person has. It's the means that facilitate that is the real issue. Bitcoin can only be a liberating cause in that sense since there is no central issuing authority.  

Poors: fuck em'

I think that's what the OP is getting to.

(Not saying that's what you said - just pointing out that this type of thought (as you pointed out) disproportionately negatively affects blacks over whites)

[BitcoinPorn]

While I think this is the ultimate end-goal, I think it's far too early to believe that society as a whole will do the same thing. If people want to celebrate their cultural heritage, I see no problem with it.

There is a big difference between cultural heritage, race, color of skin, etc.   Sadly, not a big enough difference, but, a difference there.

Attacking the man's integrity and character isn't going to achieve much. I say we discuss his propositions rather than the man himself. At the absolute least, he has an interesting discussion to offer; contrary to my previous sentiments about this thread.

Less of an attack and more of a clarification, I am not sure so much if this "discussion" is interesting so much as it is silly or based upon things that do not fully make sense.   If you were to have made the thread and chosen your words as carefully as you did, this would have all gone down differently.  But.. "Why Don't Black People Use Bitcoins?" and the thread opening how it did, well, I find this whole thing interesting but not for the right reasons I'm sure lol.


So far, if the original poster meant to say "poor people" and not "blacks" as I am reading in other posts, well shit, he is far more racist than I was thinking.

[ElectricMucus]

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[BitcoinPorn]

pic very related

At least I admitted I was bored and took the bait right away

I agree btw, just a troll, not as good as it could have been. I almost feel bad for replying and not seeing what other sort of replies it would have got

[oOoOo]

How is bitcoin "white" only? It was invented by a Japanese, the russian subforum is the second largest, https://btcchina.com exchange is one of the biggest international ones, despite the fact that china is behind a "great firewall", there is this guy. Aaaand we have this: http://www.bitcoinmap.com
Obviously most people reside in first world countries, but pcs and mobile devices are widespread even in "3rd World" countries.
Everybody who has the will can contribute, there are no restrictions. And bitcoin, obviously, does not see "colour".

bye

[im3w1l]

How is bitcoin "white" only? It was invented by a Japanese, the russian subforum is the second largest, https://btcchina.com exchange is one of the biggest international ones, despite the fact that china is behind a "great firewall", there is this guy. Aaaand we have this: http://www.bitcoinmap.com
Obviously most people reside in first world countries, but pcs and mobile devices are widespread even in "3rd World" countries.
Everybody who has the will can contribute, there are no restrictions. And bitcoin, obviously, does not see "colour".

bye

Both the coins and the smileys seem suspiciously yellow to me 

[Explodicle]

It's the same systemic bias lots of nerdy computer projects have. Please excuse the following potentially racist speculation: black people have more trouble acquiring the money, encouragement, and time to be a computer hobbyist. Bitcoin is still a luxury.

It's a problem. In fact, a group of people frequently abused by cops, voters, and regressive inflation taxes might have a lot to gain from Bitcoin. So what can we do to counter this bias?
A. Nothing. If/when Bitcoin goes mainstream, everyone will use it anyways.
B. Focus on projects which will benefit black people.
C. Inform blacks in your community about Bitcoin.
D. Donate Bitcoins or Bitcoin-related USD profits to black charities. That will get their attention! :-)

Probably more I didn't think of. The main benefit is of course that the internet is post-racial, and the efforts of racists here will inevitably fail. In not kept down, blacks will rise up.

[Surawit]

you people have no idea what trolling is, do you? As soon as I actually stopped trolling on this forum, I am accused of it with every post. sigh.

I mean, I make a thread about literally printing the blockchain in a series of books and nobody bats an eye.  But you make one thread discussing the wider societal implications of the success of bitcoin... and suddenly everyone is crying out because of the nasty troll. Get a clue.

It's kindof predictable though: such decrying tactics are typical responses from those who are yet to confront their own privileges. They are simple deflections, to avoid and delegitimise awkward questions about equality and race...

[Surawit]

It's the same systemic bias lots of nerdy computer projects have. Please excuse the following potentially racist speculation: black people have more trouble acquiring the money, encouragement, and time to be a computer hobbyist. Bitcoin is still a luxury.

It's a problem. In fact, a group of people frequently abused by cops, voters, and regressive inflation taxes might have a lot to gain from Bitcoin. So what can we do to counter this bias?
A. Nothing. If/when Bitcoin goes mainstream, everyone will use it anyways.
B. Focus on projects which will benefit black people.
C. Inform blacks in your community about Bitcoin.
D. Donate Bitcoins or Bitcoin-related USD profits to black charities. That will get their attention! :-)

Probably more I didn't think of. The main benefit is of course that the internet is post-racial, and the efforts of racists here will inevitably fail. In not kept down, blacks will rise up.

Thanks for this response, it was the sort of thing I was expecting: More people with a positive attitude towards improving the situation, rather than just flat-out denying a problem exists

[BitcoinPorn]

Historically for much of the time voting was not restricted to whites or males, just to landowners. It just so happened that almost all the landowners were white males.

A Bitcoin economy would be the same: The people with power would be the early adopters (that's us! woo!), who are overwhelmingly white and male.

Breaking down your post in the nicest way possible so you can continue to troll hard.    According to this information, the voting was not a "racist" thing intently, it just was that way because "almost all the landowners" were white males.    I think it is safe to say in this example from history, to be a landowner, you had to be white, yes?   So basically the whole voting thing was a sham, right?

So now you are saying that the Bitcoin economy would be the same?  So you are saying that it was only white people who had the opportunity to make Bitcoin?   Also, Japanese/Satoshi = "White" to you I guess?  (going by the classic definition of they aren't race 'x' or 'y' then I must label them as white?) Or are you saying because not enough non-white people were there to invent Bitcoin, that they have to be like a bad movie and force "one of every race" just to meet your weird diversity requirements?   BASICALLY WE MUST CHANGE THE PAST FOR THE FUTURE.    We don't need more black people to use Bitcoins, we need more black people to invent Bitcoins?

You trolled good, this thread makes no sense.

I await the same version of this thread but involving women not using Bitcoins, it is sadly a little more progressive to at least discuss that as a joke.

It's kindof predictable though: such decrying tactics are typical responses from those who are yet to confront their own privileges. They are simple deflections, to avoid and delegitimise awkward questions about equality and race...

Pot, kettle, etc.  Says the guy who seems to have stopped taking questions on the topic he started.  Lots of questions, no answers, you seemed to have stopped the topic and instead we are being Meta about the thread itself and it's users, weeeeeee.

Please, who or what defines a person as White?

Who or what defines a person as black?

This simple clarification in the original post might change a lot

[ClownCoins]

Bill Cosby is black.

[PinkiePie]

Hey, I'm black and I like bitcoin.  I live in Iowa so I've never really been in touch with the urban culture, but I think the problem is just education.  Public schooling is a terrible socialist idea that has done a lot of damage to the education level of a lot of kids in the cities.  Theres a reason our founding fathers like Thomas Jefferson were so opposed to government schooling.

Bitcoin can be a tough concept to understand when you are used to cash and haven't really been taught about economics.  I'm glad I was homeschooled instead, I went to public school for a few months and it was one of the worst things that ever happened to me.

[FreeMonies]

you people have no idea what trolling is, do you? As soon as I actually stopped trolling on this forum, I am accused of it with every post. sigh.

I mean, I make a thread about literally printing the blockchain in a series of books and nobody bats an eye.  But you make one thread discussing the wider societal implications of the success of bitcoin... and suddenly everyone is crying out because of the nasty troll. Get a clue.

It's kindof predictable though: such decrying tactics are typical responses from those who are yet to confront their own privileges. They are simple deflections, to avoid and delegitimise awkward questions about equality and race...

Here here! +1

[N12]

Hey, I'm black and I like bitcoin.  I live in Iowa so I've never really been in touch with the urban culture, but I think the problem is just education.  Public schooling is a terrible socialist idea that has done a lot of damage to the education level of a lot of kids in the cities.  Theres a reason our founding fathers like Thomas Jefferson were so opposed to government schooling.

Bitcoin can be a tough concept to understand when you are used to cash and haven't really been taught about economics.  I'm glad I was homeschooled instead, I went to public school for a few months and it was one of the worst things that ever happened to me.

More subtle next time please, this is no fun at all. Maybe a new account too, as this one generally hasn’t been subtle.

You don’t really sound like the libertarians here, you’ll also have to try to speak more pretentiously.

[BitcoinPorn]

"I am not going to call you a white man, and I am going to ask you to not call me a Black man, instead you're Mike Wallace and I am Morgan Freeman" -Morgan Freeman

He is a God among men (and women lol).

I finally went ahead and checked Surawit post's history https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=40354;sa=showPosts

I am earnestly sorry I fucked up your trolling, I will try and stay out of your threads, but try harder next time, and have your back up arrive quicker.

[Surawit]

More subtle next time please, this is no fun at all.

Yeah, I agree, there are some gullible idiots on this forum (imagine that? it's almost as if bitcoin attracts them somehow)... But a black Iowan? Please.

BitcoinPorn, your powers of observation amaze me to no end. I have indeed been ignoring your posts after telling you to fuck off. This is entirely intentional; you have demonstrated your racism clear enough, and I do not wish to derail this topic arguing against that. Furthermore it seems foolish to argue about matters such as equality and ethics with a pornographer... Oh, sorry, I'm the one trolling.

[Anonymous]

Hey, I'm black and I like bitcoin.  I live in Iowa so I've never really been in touch with the urban culture, but I think the problem is just education.  Public schooling is a terrible socialist idea that has done a lot of damage to the education level of a lot of kids in the cities.  Theres a reason our founding fathers like Thomas Jefferson were so opposed to government schooling.

Bitcoin can be a tough concept to understand when you are used to cash and haven't really been taught about economics.  I'm glad I was homeschooled instead, I went to public school for a few months and it was one of the worst things that ever happened to me.

Haha, why do all the black people I meet end up being so awesome?

[herzmeister]

White man came, polluted and enslaved the planet.  

Now white man has the opportunity to clean up the mess.  

[JeffK]

So, no, my thinking is not flawed. The poor do carry money. Why they are considered poor and live in conditions one would consider poverty is another thread for another time.

I want you to write this thread on poverty and how it does/doesn't align with your whole "fairness of the free market" ideals so badly.

[JeffK]

White man came, polluted and enslaved the planet.  

Now white man has the opportunity to clean up the mess.  

White man gonna pollute harder

[BitcoinPorn]

BitcoinPorn, your powers of observation amaze me to no end. I have indeed been ignoring your posts after telling you to fuck off. This is entirely intentional; you have demonstrated your racism clear enough, and I do not wish to derail this topic arguing against that. Furthermore it seems foolish to argue about matters such as equality and ethics with a pornographer... Oh, sorry, I'm the one trolling.

Dude I know.  Classic trolling too (again, I admit I bit in my very first reply to the thread, I am not in denial on that), you continue to ignore the topic you created and instead continue to ignore my posts unless it makes your trolling easier, "good times"

But yeah, try again with another topic unless you can troll your way into making this into a real discussion backed by reality and not your view of whatever it is you consider a 'black' person (which again, you haven't clarified, but again, I'm talking as though trolls discuss things lol)

[PinkiePie]

Hey, I'm black and I like bitcoin.  I live in Iowa so I've never really been in touch with the urban culture, but I think the problem is just education.  Public schooling is a terrible socialist idea that has done a lot of damage to the education level of a lot of kids in the cities.  Theres a reason our founding fathers like Thomas Jefferson were so opposed to government schooling.

Bitcoin can be a tough concept to understand when you are used to cash and haven't really been taught about economics.  I'm glad I was homeschooled instead, I went to public school for a few months and it was one of the worst things that ever happened to me.

Haha, why do all the black people I meet end up being so awesome?

The awesomeness percentage of black people is equal with that of white people, you must just have good luck. 

And yes, there are some black people in Iowa guys, jeeze.  Like 3% of the population!  My dad is from Asheville, North Carolina originally but moved out here to go to school.

[Anonymous]

So, no, my thinking is not flawed. The poor do carry money. Why they are considered poor and live in conditions one would consider poverty is another thread for another time.

I want you to write this thread on poverty and how it does/doesn't align with your whole "fairness of the free market" ideals so badly.

I'll give it to you simply: My lineage from my parents upward is poor farmers, military veterans, construction workers and inevitably slaves of the Spanish Empire. After meeting my great-grandmother who raised 16 children out of a tin shack, I can say from a first-hand perspective that a good majority of the world's supposedly impoverished are the happiest people on the planet.

[JeffK]

So, no, my thinking is not flawed. The poor do carry money. Why they are considered poor and live in conditions one would consider poverty is another thread for another time.

I want you to write this thread on poverty and how it does/doesn't align with your whole "fairness of the free market" ideals so badly.

I'll give it to you simply: My lineage from my parents upward is poor farmers, military veterans, construction workers and inevitably slaves of the Spanish Empire. After meeting my great-grandmother who raised 16 children out of a tin shack, I can say from a first-hand perspective that a good majority of the world's impoverished are the happiest people on the planet.

I meant something along the lines of why you believe poverty exists, not whether you believe they are already happy with their lot (or lack thereof?) in life.

[Anonymous]

So, no, my thinking is not flawed. The poor do carry money. Why they are considered poor and live in conditions one would consider poverty is another thread for another time.

I want you to write this thread on poverty and how it does/doesn't align with your whole "fairness of the free market" ideals so badly.

I'll give it to you simply: My lineage from my parents upward is poor farmers, military veterans, construction workers and inevitably slaves of the Spanish Empire. After meeting my great-grandmother who raised 16 children out of a tin shack, I can say from a first-hand perspective that a good majority of the world's impoverished are the happiest people on the planet.

I meant something along the lines of why you believe poverty exists, not whether you believe they are already happy with their lot (or lack thereof?) in life.

That's the thing: I don't believe it truly exists. I believe there are times when a society is held hostage or when a culture is destroyed by dependency ( I guess you could consider this true poverty) and other means but otherwise I see poverty (as it is called) as the default human condition. We are all born with nothing but our hands and feet to sustain. It's only a matter of who stops us from sustaining when it comes down to surviving.

[JeffK]

So, no, my thinking is not flawed. The poor do carry money. Why they are considered poor and live in conditions one would consider poverty is another thread for another time.

I want you to write this thread on poverty and how it does/doesn't align with your whole "fairness of the free market" ideals so badly.

I'll give it to you simply: My lineage from my parents upward is poor farmers, military veterans, construction workers and inevitably slaves of the Spanish Empire. After meeting my great-grandmother who raised 16 children out of a tin shack, I can say from a first-hand perspective that a good majority of the world's impoverished are the happiest people on the planet.

I meant something along the lines of why you believe poverty exists, not whether you believe they are already happy with their lot (or lack thereof?) in life.

That's the thing: I don't believe it truly exists. I believe there are times when a society is held hostage or when a culture is destroyed by dependency ( I guess you could consider this true poverty) and other means but otherwise I see poverty (as it is called) as the default human condition. We are all born with nothing but our hands and feet to sustain. It's only a matter of who stops us from sustaining when it comes down to surviving.

I was born with only my hands and feet to sustain me, but I was also born to relatively well-off parents who could feed me and provide me with more than adequate shelter and luxuries (toys, television, computer access) up until and even past when I got my first job at 13, where I definitely didn't make enough money to support myself. So, is my default just different?

When I speak of poverty, I speak of the lack of resources for survival (food, shelter, clean water). Are you saying that everyone is born without these resources, and by their own labor gets them?

[FreeMonies]

So, no, my thinking is not flawed. The poor do carry money. Why they are considered poor and live in conditions one would consider poverty is another thread for another time.

I want you to write this thread on poverty and how it does/doesn't align with your whole "fairness of the free market" ideals so badly.

I'll give it to you simply: My lineage from my parents upward is poor farmers, military veterans, construction workers and inevitably slaves of the Spanish Empire. After meeting my great-grandmother who raised 16 children out of a tin shack, I can say from a first-hand perspective that a good majority of the world's impoverished are the happiest people on the planet.

I meant something along the lines of why you believe poverty exists, not whether you believe they are already happy with their lot (or lack thereof?) in life.

That's the thing: I don't believe it truly exists. I believe there are times when a society is held hostage or when a culture is destroyed by dependency ( I guess you could consider this true poverty) and other means but otherwise I see poverty (as it is called) as the default human condition. We are all born with nothing but our hands and feet to sustain. It's only a matter of who stops us from sustaining when it comes down to surviving.

Obviously you've never heard of trust fund babies?

[GideonGono]

I'm "black" and I use bitcoin and I had a good laugh reading some of the posts on this thread.

[Anonymous]

So, no, my thinking is not flawed. The poor do carry money. Why they are considered poor and live in conditions one would consider poverty is another thread for another time.

I want you to write this thread on poverty and how it does/doesn't align with your whole "fairness of the free market" ideals so badly.

I'll give it to you simply: My lineage from my parents upward is poor farmers, military veterans, construction workers and inevitably slaves of the Spanish Empire. After meeting my great-grandmother who raised 16 children out of a tin shack, I can say from a first-hand perspective that a good majority of the world's impoverished are the happiest people on the planet.

I meant something along the lines of why you believe poverty exists, not whether you believe they are already happy with their lot (or lack thereof?) in life.

That's the thing: I don't believe it truly exists. I believe there are times when a society is held hostage or when a culture is destroyed by dependency ( I guess you could consider this true poverty) and other means but otherwise I see poverty (as it is called) as the default human condition. We are all born with nothing but our hands and feet to sustain. It's only a matter of who stops us from sustaining when it comes down to surviving.

I was born with only my hands and feet to sustain me, but I was also born to relatively well-off parents who could feed me and provide me with more than adequate shelter and luxuries (toys, television, computer access) up until and even past when I got my first job at 13, where I definitely didn't make enough money to support myself. So, is my default just different?

When I speak of poverty, I speak of the lack of resources for survival (food, shelter, clean water). Are you saying that everyone is born without these resources, and by their own labor gets them?

I believe a parent provides to a child by the child's own inherent value. It's unfortunate to say that some have a child while not being prepared to care for them and return the value they are worth.

However, I believe there is little reason not to be able sustain yourself once you are of age, even if you were raised in poverty. You may not be able to support yourself on your wage if building codes are restrictive of lower-end homes and if your local economy is heavily restricted overall, but otherwise we are all able to put food and water in our mouthes and a roof over our heads. My parents worked their way up to upper-middle class jobs with little issue from their trailer park homes and low-income families. It was harder but c'est la vie.

Anyways, your default was better than a lot of others but isn't very relevant in the end. We all experience life's journeys differently.

[FreeMonies]

I'm "black" and I use bitcoin and I had a good laugh reading some of the posts on this thread.

Who lent you the money to get into bitcoin?

[Anonymous]

I'm "black" and I use bitcoin and I had a good laugh reading some of the posts on this thread.

Who lent you the money to get into bitcoin?

You have to be trolling. There is no other way this is admissible.

[JeffK]

So, no, my thinking is not flawed. The poor do carry money. Why they are considered poor and live in conditions one would consider poverty is another thread for another time.

I want you to write this thread on poverty and how it does/doesn't align with your whole "fairness of the free market" ideals so badly.

I'll give it to you simply: My lineage from my parents upward is poor farmers, military veterans, construction workers and inevitably slaves of the Spanish Empire. After meeting my great-grandmother who raised 16 children out of a tin shack, I can say from a first-hand perspective that a good majority of the world's impoverished are the happiest people on the planet.

I meant something along the lines of why you believe poverty exists, not whether you believe they are already happy with their lot (or lack thereof?) in life.

That's the thing: I don't believe it truly exists. I believe there are times when a society is held hostage or when a culture is destroyed by dependency ( I guess you could consider this true poverty) and other means but otherwise I see poverty (as it is called) as the default human condition. We are all born with nothing but our hands and feet to sustain. It's only a matter of who stops us from sustaining when it comes down to surviving.

I was born with only my hands and feet to sustain me, but I was also born to relatively well-off parents who could feed me and provide me with more than adequate shelter and luxuries (toys, television, computer access) up until and even past when I got my first job at 13, where I definitely didn't make enough money to support myself. So, is my default just different?

When I speak of poverty, I speak of the lack of resources for survival (food, shelter, clean water). Are you saying that everyone is born without these resources, and by their own labor gets them?

I believe a parent provides to a child by the child's own inherent value. It's unfortunate to say that some have a child while not being prepared to care for them and return the value they are worth.

However, I believe there is little reason not to be able sustain yourself once you are of age even if you were raised in poverty. You may not be able to support yourself on your wage if building codes are restrictive of lower-end homes and if your local economy is heavily restricted but otherwise we are all able to put food and water in our mouthes and a roof over our heads. My parents worked their way up to upper-middle class jobs with little issue from their trailer park homes and low-income families. It was harder but c'est la vie.

Anyways, your default was better than a lot of others but isn't very relevant in the end. We all experience life's journeys differently.

So a parent who does not, or rather cannot, provide for a child does so because the child has less of an inherent value? My parents, too, worked their way up (though in my earlier days we were by no means "poor", at least not to the point of food/clothes/housing being unavailable), but they will in no way deny there was a bit of nepotism in their journey. Does this mean that the poor deserve their poverty, seeing as they did not have the same advantages my family and your family did?

[Anonymous]

So, no, my thinking is not flawed. The poor do carry money. Why they are considered poor and live in conditions one would consider poverty is another thread for another time.

I want you to write this thread on poverty and how it does/doesn't align with your whole "fairness of the free market" ideals so badly.

I'll give it to you simply: My lineage from my parents upward is poor farmers, military veterans, construction workers and inevitably slaves of the Spanish Empire. After meeting my great-grandmother who raised 16 children out of a tin shack, I can say from a first-hand perspective that a good majority of the world's impoverished are the happiest people on the planet.

I meant something along the lines of why you believe poverty exists, not whether you believe they are already happy with their lot (or lack thereof?) in life.

That's the thing: I don't believe it truly exists. I believe there are times when a society is held hostage or when a culture is destroyed by dependency ( I guess you could consider this true poverty) and other means but otherwise I see poverty (as it is called) as the default human condition. We are all born with nothing but our hands and feet to sustain. It's only a matter of who stops us from sustaining when it comes down to surviving.

I was born with only my hands and feet to sustain me, but I was also born to relatively well-off parents who could feed me and provide me with more than adequate shelter and luxuries (toys, television, computer access) up until and even past when I got my first job at 13, where I definitely didn't make enough money to support myself. So, is my default just different?

When I speak of poverty, I speak of the lack of resources for survival (food, shelter, clean water). Are you saying that everyone is born without these resources, and by their own labor gets them?

I believe a parent provides to a child by the child's own inherent value. It's unfortunate to say that some have a child while not being prepared to care for them and return the value they are worth.

However, I believe there is little reason not to be able sustain yourself once you are of age even if you were raised in poverty. You may not be able to support yourself on your wage if building codes are restrictive of lower-end homes and if your local economy is heavily restricted but otherwise we are all able to put food and water in our mouthes and a roof over our heads. My parents worked their way up to upper-middle class jobs with little issue from their trailer park homes and low-income families. It was harder but c'est la vie.

Anyways, your default was better than a lot of others but isn't very relevant in the end. We all experience life's journeys differently.

So a parent who does not, or rather cannot, provide for a child does so because the child has less of an inherent value? My parents, too, worked their way up (though in my earlier days we were by no means "poor", at least not to the point of food/clothes/housing being unavailable), but they will in no way deny there was a bit of nepotism in their journey. Does this mean that the poor deserve their poverty, seeing as they did not have the same advantages my family and your family did?

No, it's more like because the parents weren't prepared or chose not to properly pay for what their child was worth.

That's not a question. It's not a matter of what you deserve. It's a matter of fate. It's something that cannot be controlled nor does it determine an individuals happiness in the long run.

In the end, every individual can choose to contribute as much value as he wishes and receive as much as he wants in return. In a free society, nobody is limited to their current economic position.

Some have it easier than others but to complain about it is a matter of jealously.

[JeffK]

So, no, my thinking is not flawed. The poor do carry money. Why they are considered poor and live in conditions one would consider poverty is another thread for another time.

I want you to write this thread on poverty and how it does/doesn't align with your whole "fairness of the free market" ideals so badly.

I'll give it to you simply: My lineage from my parents upward is poor farmers, military veterans, construction workers and inevitably slaves of the Spanish Empire. After meeting my great-grandmother who raised 16 children out of a tin shack, I can say from a first-hand perspective that a good majority of the world's impoverished are the happiest people on the planet.

I meant something along the lines of why you believe poverty exists, not whether you believe they are already happy with their lot (or lack thereof?) in life.

That's the thing: I don't believe it truly exists. I believe there are times when a society is held hostage or when a culture is destroyed by dependency ( I guess you could consider this true poverty) and other means but otherwise I see poverty (as it is called) as the default human condition. We are all born with nothing but our hands and feet to sustain. It's only a matter of who stops us from sustaining when it comes down to surviving.

I was born with only my hands and feet to sustain me, but I was also born to relatively well-off parents who could feed me and provide me with more than adequate shelter and luxuries (toys, television, computer access) up until and even past when I got my first job at 13, where I definitely didn't make enough money to support myself. So, is my default just different?

When I speak of poverty, I speak of the lack of resources for survival (food, shelter, clean water). Are you saying that everyone is born without these resources, and by their own labor gets them?

I believe a parent provides to a child by the child's own inherent value. It's unfortunate to say that some have a child while not being prepared to care for them and return the value they are worth.

However, I believe there is little reason not to be able sustain yourself once you are of age even if you were raised in poverty. You may not be able to support yourself on your wage if building codes are restrictive of lower-end homes and if your local economy is heavily restricted but otherwise we are all able to put food and water in our mouthes and a roof over our heads. My parents worked their way up to upper-middle class jobs with little issue from their trailer park homes and low-income families. It was harder but c'est la vie.

Anyways, your default was better than a lot of others but isn't very relevant in the end. We all experience life's journeys differently.

So a parent who does not, or rather cannot, provide for a child does so because the child has less of an inherent value? My parents, too, worked their way up (though in my earlier days we were by no means "poor", at least not to the point of food/clothes/housing being unavailable), but they will in no way deny there was a bit of nepotism in their journey. Does this mean that the poor deserve their poverty, seeing as they did not have the same advantages my family and your family did?

No, it's more like because the parents weren't prepared or chose not to properly pay for what their child was worth.

That's not a question. It's not a matter of what you deserve. It's a matter of fate. It's something that cannot be controlled nor does it determine an individuals happiness in the long run.

In the end, every individual can choose to contribute as much value as he wishes and receive as much as he wants in return. In a free society, nobody is limited to their current economic position.

Some have it easier than others but to complain about it is a matter jealously.

You may not want to admit it, but your accomplishments in life are heavily tied to what you were given by your parents. To deny someone the opportunities to go to school and become a skilled worker simply because they were born and lived too poor not only is unfair to them, but has a net negative effect on society since, had they been given the education/food/etc we were they could be producing great things, maybe even better than we ever could.

Allowing poverty to stratify society helps no one in the long run. In a "free society" (I'll assume you mean free market/regulation-less society where the state plays a minimal role), there is no safety net for individuals who are poor, so instead of giving them a platform to stand on so they may lift themselves up out of, they are actually limited to their current economic position, since your economic standing at birth is, in the majority of cases, the best indicator at what your economic class will be all your life.

[Anonymous]

There's nothing wrong with being poor. That's where I stand. It's only a problem today because the laws inflate the cost of living artificially and prevent one of minimal skill to sustain themselves. Their is not a safety net in this society. There is only a prison for those who are lesser off. The corporatist governments have cut the lower rungs of the ladder and have told people they can only jump. Some do successfully. Most do not.

Sorry but nobody is entitled to an easy life start. It should be inherent since most people easily gain valuable skills. In an ideal society, I would imagine most companies training its employees from the very beginning. It shouldn't take economic slavery (taxation) to get people up and running. It's only like this because the cost of education, again, is overinflated by our corporatist paradigm.

In any case, I appreciate where you come from. We both want the society be a happier place; however, we have very different perspectives.

[FlipPro]

This is just like that "why do all Liberals hate Bitcoin thread"! Lol is it a surprise that I'm not white ? Must be according to this post.

I'm Latino by the way, not that it matters in any way, other than to repudiate everything this thread is starting to become.

[JeffK]

This is just like that "why do all Liberals hate Bitcoin thread"! Lol is it a surprise that I'm not white ? Must be according to this post.

I'm Latino by the way, not that it matters in any way, other than to repudiate everything this thread is starting to become.

A few anecdotes doesn't negate the fact that the community, and to be honest most users of Bitcoin as a whole, seem to be well-off white males, while well-off white males make up a much smaller sliver of the world's population.

[FlipPro]

I'm "black" and I use bitcoin and I had a good laugh reading some of the posts on this thread.

Who lent you the money to get into bitcoin?

Moron...

The trolls now become racist, oh what a surprise!

[JeffK]

I'm "black" and I use bitcoin and I had a good laugh reading some of the posts on this thread.

Who lent you the money to get into bitcoin?

Moron...

The trolls now become racist, oh what a surprise!

I'm pretty sure his comment was sarcasm based off of some of the more thinly-veiled racism by regulars earlier in the thread.

[FlipPro]

This is just like that "why do all Liberals hate Bitcoin thread"! Lol is it a surprise that I'm not white ? Must be according to this post.

I'm Latino by the way, not that it matters in any way, other than to repudiate everything this thread is starting to become.

A few anecdotes doesn't negate the fact that the community, and to be honest most users of Bitcoin as a whole, seem to be well-off white males, while well-off white males make up a much smaller sliver of the world's population.

You are so wrong...

First off the "Bitcoin Community" is an international community of people from almost every single corner of the planet.Please stop trying to playoff the "Bitcoin community" as a bunch of well-off white males off some forum, when it couldn't be further away from the truth. If anything it's a poor community of students/young entrepreneurs from all over the world coming together, to try to get a piece of the "next big thing". If there are any "well-off white males" here with allot of dough, they sure as hell ain't spending enough of it...

[Anonymous]

They just want an excuse for the libertarian-sentiment on this forum. If everybody is white, it's much easier to hate.

[MoonShadow]

The title of this thread is akin to asking, "why don't Jews us the Internet?"

If you just thought, "Wait, What!?  How the hell would you know that?" then you just got my point.

[PinkiePie]

The title of this thread is akin to asking, "why don't Jews us the Internet?"

If you just thought, "Wait, What!?  How the hell would you know that?" then you just got my point.

Exactly, it's not like anyone did a bitcoin demographic census.

[FlipPro]

They just want an excuse for the libertarian-sentiment on this forum. If everybody is white, it's much easier to hate.

You're right, but at the same time you should stop trying to promote Bitcoin-Libertarianism down everyone's throats. If everyone just stepped the hell away from Bitcoin, and stopped trying to create "tags" for it, it would be in a much more stable footing. Giving it tags opens it up for attacks, and we simply cannot have that if we want this to survive in the long term.

Bitcoin is an open source peer-to-peer electronic currency. Affiliating it to any political party/ ideology/ race/ gender/ or religion only hinders it's progression into mainstream society.

This means that Bitcoin does not need Libertarianism to survive, it just needs to be useful at what it does, which is process payments without the need for a bank or third party clearinghouse.

[FreeMonies]

I'm "black" and I use bitcoin and I had a good laugh reading some of the posts on this thread.

Who lent you the money to get into bitcoin?

Moron...

The trolls now become racist, oh what a surprise!

I'm pretty sure his comment was sarcasm based off of some of the more thinly-veiled racism by regulars earlier in the thread.

Ding ding ding!
Winner!

[Phinnaeus Gage]

I sure hope that this is a good thread, for I'm about to make a fresh pop of coffee, pour me a cup, and start a reading.

[JeffK]

[Phinnaeus Gage]

Simple question: I'd like to discuss the demographics of the bitcoin community.

Why are there no people of color promoting bitcoin? What is it about bitcoin that disproportionately attracts white males? Could this extreme lack of diversity be ultimately harmful to bitcoin?

I've been following the bitcoin phenomenon for several months now. I've watched hundreds of youtube videos, read the blogs, seen the posts here, seen the conference footage from NYC... and until Bill Cosby I don't think I've seen a single African-American. OK that's not entirely true, I once spotted a dude who was in the onlyonetv studios once between broadcasts and he didn't speak at all.

From my perspective at the moment it seems the bitcoin proponents are almost entirely rich, white males with the occasional bored-looking female hanging around... Bitcoin, in a sense, could be viewed as a mechanism for prolonging the economic and social dominance of white males at the expense of everyone else. As we move towards a less racist, less sexist, more egalitarian society... Will bitcoin be a step backwards? [Well obviously it'll be a step forwards for us, but its going to be worse for everyone else]

Got my coffee. Read this post. I don't think Surawit did the required homework before starting this thread. I can think of no less than 6 black people who are heavily involved with Bitcoin. In fact, one of the first videos I viewed was of a black miner. I sure hope that his next thread isn't Why are There no Jews Involved with Bitcoin.

Full disclosure: The ghost of Sammy Davis Jr. helped me write this post.

[Stalin-chan]

Edit: ^ 6 whole black people.

Yes i'm sure this is a
"Great"
Thread.

[Phinnaeus Gage]

Thanks for reading the topic beyond the title guys, I can see why people complain about this forum  

I know why black people don't use bitcoins, its because bitcoiners are almost exclusively nerdy white guys. What I'm asking: In the future when bitcoin is in everyday use (and each coin is therefore massively valuable), the early adopters holding lots of currency are going to wield tremendous power in society. Would the lack of diversity amongst this group not be dangerous for wider society? It would be like only allowing white males to vote.

Even if it isn't going to be dangerous, will it be percieved to be dangerous? In this age of unparalled equality of opportunity, will the rest of the world happily accept a new economic order in which (surprise!) white guys are right at the top again? These are legitimate questions.

For some reason, this guy is giving me a hard-on. There is nothing stopping a single black guy or gal from coming along and busting this Bitcoin thing wide open. Are you telling me that if a black person came along and starting implementing an excellent idea, the nerdy white folks here will suppress his or her idea?

Post 21, here I cum come.

PS: Hockey should be banned. And NASCAR. And boycott Lord of the Rings. And no conventions in Argentina unless there are 50% blacks in the audience. And don't watch the Jetsons. And quit reading the Watchtower and Awake.

[PinkiePie]

Liberals will say literally anything is racist or sexist or homophobic, it's some kind of cry for attention I think.

[FlipPro]

Liberals will say literally anything is racist or sexist or homophobic, it's some kind of cry for attention I think.

I can't believe you are still here. That should be regarded as a malicious link (warrants for ban).

[Stalin-chan]

Liberals will say literally anything is racist or sexist or homophobic, it's some kind of cry for attention I think.

Why aren't there any black people in MLP?

[PinkiePie]

Liberals will say literally anything is racist or sexist or homophobic, it's some kind of cry for attention I think.

Why aren't there any black people in MLP?

A reasonable question.

http://msmagazine.com/blog/blog/2010/12/24/my-little-non-homophobic-non-racist-non-smart-shaming-pony-a-rebuttal/

Color has never, ever been depicted as a race indicator for the ponies. When your characters are purple, blue, orange, yellow, black, white, red, green and pink, who’s to say which is supposed to signify a white person, a black person, an Asian person? The only races in My Little Pony are Earth Pony, Pegasus and Unicorn, and they are all treated equally, ruled by a leader who embodies the traits of all three  This leader is white only to signify day, and she co-rules with her sister, who is purple to signify night. Additionally, I’d just like to assure anyone who might still question the guards at the foot of the Princess’s throne that their colors were picked arbitrarily–and they are paid for their service.

[Phinnaeus Gage]

How is bitcoin "white" only? It was invented by a Japanese, the russian subforum is the second largest, https://btcchina.com exchange is one of the biggest international ones, despite the fact that china is behind a "great firewall", there is this guy. Aaaand we have this: http://www.bitcoinmap.com
Obviously most people reside in first world countries, but pcs and mobile devices are widespread even in "3rd World" countries.
Everybody who has the will can contribute, there are no restrictions. And bitcoin, obviously, does not see "colour".

bye

Both the coins and the smileys seem suspiciously yellow to me 

This issue will be addressed at the next Bitcoin convention.

[Phinnaeus Gage]

you people have no idea what trolling is, do you? As soon as I actually stopped trolling on this forum, I am accused of it with every post. sigh.

I mean, I make a thread about literally printing the blockchain in a series of books and nobody bats an eye.  But you make one thread discussing the wider societal implications of the success of bitcoin... and suddenly everyone is crying out because of the nasty troll. Get a clue.

It's kindof predictable though: such decrying tactics are typical responses from those who are yet to confront their own privileges. They are simple deflections, to avoid and delegitimise awkward questions about equality and race...

I could use the same argument if I were to start a thread stating that a rape victim deserved it because of the clothes she wore. Any of my past post would have no bearing on my new fictitious thread.

[Phinnaeus Gage]

I'm "black" and I use bitcoin and I had a good laugh reading some of the posts on this thread.

Who lent you the money to get into bitcoin?

Moron...

The trolls now become racist, oh what a surprise!

Who lent the troll money to get a computer?



Well, this thread was fun.

PS: No African-Americans in next U.S. Senate: http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2010/11/02/no-african-americans-in-next-u-s-senate/

[rainingbitcoins]

No, it's more like because the parents weren't prepared or chose not to properly pay for what their child was worth.

That's not a question. It's not a matter of what you deserve. It's a matter of fate. It's something that cannot be controlled nor does it determine an individuals happiness in the long run.

I can say from a first-hand perspective that a good majority of the world's impoverished are the happiest people on the planet.

Really? You've managed to meet the majority of the world's poor people in your 17 years on this Earth? Or you just don't know what "first-hand" means?

Actually there are numerous studies that show people's happiness is at its lowest level when they're poorest. It keeps rising with income until you hit middle class and then it mostly levels off. Increases in income above the middle class result in very small additional gains in happiness.  But common sense should tell you this much, shouldn't it? All other things being equal, the person who doesn't have to choose between medicine and food will be happier than the one who does.

Of course, like all actual evidence that doesn't match up with what you believe, these facts will be discarded in your mind and replaced with cobbled together anecdotes and assumptions that fake smiles store clerks are required by company policy to flash at you are evidence of happiness.

There's nothing wrong with being poor. That's where I stand. It's only a problem today because the laws inflate the cost of living artificially and prevent one of minimal skill to sustain themselves. Their is not a safety net in this society. There is only a prison for those who are lesser off. The corporatist governments have cut the lower rungs of the ladder and have told people they can only jump. Some do successfully. Most do not.

Sorry but nobody is entitled to an easy life start. It should be inherent since most people easily gain valuable skills. In an ideal society, I would imagine most companies training its employees from the very beginning. It shouldn't take economic slavery (taxation) to get people up and running. It's only like this because the cost of education, again, is overinflated by our corporatist paradigm.

In any case, I appreciate where you come from. We both want the society be a happier place; however, we have very different perspectives.

See, this is the problem with hardcore ideologues. Their beliefs are more important than results. Living in a tar paper shack with no running water or electricity and working for less than minimum wage with no health benefits is preferable to what things are like for the average person in, say, Western Europe today. Because those people who enjoy a healthy modern standard of living are SLAVES to taxes! Really, Atlas. Why don't you take a step back and look at those two living situations objectively and tell me which one sounds more like the life of a slave.

I don't think you want society to be a happier place at all. If you did, you'd believe in something that benefited more than 1% of society. Your response to people pointing out massive inequalities in the current system and the obvious exacerbation of those problems in your preferred system is to essentially shrug, say "life's not fair", and call them jealous. Your response to the problems of poverty is to try to redefine poverty to such a low level that only the most destitute of Sub-Saharan Africans would qualify. In fact, your whole solution to poverty is literally a smug "hey buddy, you could be poorer!" You're fine with creating conditions where a worker has little or no choice but to sign on for a job that will break him physically, emotionally, and spiritually while his employer makes 50 times more money from his work than what he gets paid. But taxing that factory owner enough that he won't be able to afford a second helicopter for his yacht and using that money to benefit the workers he's exploiting is STEALING and STEALING IS BAD.

Of course, in Atlas' fairy tale capitalism, the business owners will reward hard work and not just exploit you to death. And any evidence of them doing exactly that at every opportunity in the past, present, or future is somehow the government's fault. It doesn't even have to make sense. You can even blame the regulations that keep workers safe for employers exploiting their workers. If you attack corporations, that's the government's fault because of limited liability. When you point out private companies that do the same shit, well, that somehow ends up being the government's fault, too. Probably those pesky safety regulations again.

Here's a preview of Atlas' first job: he works his ass off, but it doesn't matter because everyone he works with thinks he's a pompous jerk who constantly uses and misuses big words to make himself seem smart and disguise how simplistic his worldview really is. He gets fired officially for being five minutes late, but really because nobody could stand him. He somehow manages to blame this on the government.

[Phinnaeus Gage]

The Hook Up http://thingsthatblackpeoplelike.wordpress.com/

The hook up means so many different things, but for the most part within the black community it means to have someone give you a deal on something rather than paying full or original price.  This isn’t like a “sale” or a “bargain deal,” these are things that are offered by someone who has the ability to give it away or sell it at a reasonable price.  These types of  “hook ups” are usually hush and aren’t advertised as they are a beneficial privilege, which isn’t to be offered to any and everyone just those who were at the right place at the right time or knew the right people.

If you work somewhere that has hook up potential, you will definitely be asked if you can “hook” something up, such as if you work in a department store, amusement park, club, bar, electronics store, movie theatre, etc.  Anywhere where the products or services can be rendered.  Often times there are people who will use the hook up factor as a means of income for those who anticipate the hook up!  There are people who get several tickets to games and concerts and will stand in front of these events to sell the tickets at a lower price and therefore the person receiving them has now been “hooked up.”  The DVD and CD bootleg industry is a very large part of the black community, you can see these people selling these anywhere from the street corners in black communities to barber and beauty shops.

The hook up, is something that is a self-made perk within the black community.

[freequant]

Simple question: I'd like to discuss the demographics of the bitcoin community.
Why are there no people of color promoting bitcoin? What is it about bitcoin that disproportionately attracts white males? Could this extreme lack of diversity be ultimately harmful to bitcoin?

Nice shortcut : I don't see black people in the handful of NYC nerds who promote Bitcoin, therefore Bitcoin caters only to White Anglo Saxon Protestants...
Not sure if you are a troll, a racist who tries to act concerned or a plain idiot...

[MoonShadow]

PS: Hockey should be banned. And NASCAR. And boycott Lord of the Rings. And no conventions in Argentina unless there are 50% blacks in the audience. And don't watch the Jetsons. And quit reading the Watchtower and Awake.

NOW YOU'VE GONE TOO FAR!

[herzmeister]

In fact, one of the first videos I viewed was of a black miner.

[GideonGono]

I'm "black" and I use bitcoin and I had a good laugh reading some of the posts on this thread.

Who lent you the money to get into bitcoin?

Can't you see from my avatar? I'm rich

[The_Duke]

Simple question: I'd like to discuss the demographics of the bitcoin community.

Why are there no people of color promoting bitcoin? What is it about bitcoin that disproportionately attracts white males?

I think we can conclude that in general black people are smarter than white people?

[indicasteve]

We don't see a lot of black people up here in Northern Canada.

But from my observations I can make several general assumptions: Black people don't like curling nor hockey nor country music and they hate getting their ride stuck in the snow and they totally suck at camouflage.

[Phinnaeus Gage]

In fact, one of the first videos I viewed was of a black miner.

WOW! You quoting me, made me realize what I had wrote. I inject a lot of clean humor on this board, but believe me when I state that I was not implying anything different than the black gentleman on YouTube discussing his Bitcoin mining rig. I'll take it for granted that your post was only directed toward my post and that you meant no harm either. Nice catch, herzmeister, and I did enjoy a chuckle, but afterwards I felt it important to clarify my thinking, hence this post.

PS: Hockey should be banned. And NASCAR. And boycott Lord of the Rings. And no conventions in Argentina unless there are 50% blacks in the audience. And don't watch the Jetsons. And quit reading the Watchtower and Awake.

NOW YOU'VE GONE TOO FAR!

Assuming your post was in jest, I'll take it a tad further.

I can't figure out how I hit your nerve, but I believe I have it narrowed down to NASCAR or JW's Watchtower. Assuming the latter, I inserted the following pic to make you feel better.




Luckily for us me, there's a YouTube video that nearly follows the same timeline as this thread: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5r0nnFn48VM

[Phinnaeus Gage]

We don't see a lot of black people up here in Northern Canada.

But from my observations I can make several general assumptions: Black people don't like curling nor hockey nor country music and they hate getting their ride stuck in the snow and they totally suck at camouflage.

"Say it ain't so, Joe!"

[FlipPro]

We don't see a lot of black people up here in Northern Canada.

But from my observations I can make several general assumptions: Black people don't like curling nor hockey nor country music and they hate getting their ride stuck in the snow and they totally suck at camouflage.

"Say it ain't so, Joe!"

I can't tell when you are serious, or when you're trolling lol.

[indio007]

I'm quite surprised this thread even exists among this community. Out of all the people in the world i though you guys would know that race is a SOCIAL CONSTRUCT that has ZERO basis in biology. According to the International Code of Zoological Nomenclature there is no racial differentiation based on biology in man. It's another devious control mechanism created by the PTB to keep the poor blaming other poor for their problems. C'mon guys you are smarter than that.

I find it ironic that there is a picture of Morgan Freeman in this thread .

Well listen to what he says about race.

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=1131418n

and Slavery
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GL64gY79QkA

[Gerken]

I'm quite surprised this thread even exists among this community. Out of all the people in the world i though you guys would know that race is a SOCIAL CONSTRUCT that has ZERO basis in biology. According to the International Code of Zoological Nomenclature there is no racial differentiation based on biology in man. It's another devious control mechanism created by the PTB to keep the poor blaming other poor for their problems. C'mon guys you are smarter than that.

I find it ironic that there is a picture of Morgan Freeman in this thread .

Well listen to what he says about race.

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=1131418n

and Slavery
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GL64gY79QkA

There are no poors in America, I mean jeez, 76% of people living below the poverty line have a car.  A CAR!  How can you be poor and have a car?  99.6 even have a fridge!  78% have a dvd player.  If you are poor you should be saving your money to get a better job or education, not buying frivolous shit like fridges and cars. 

[Surawit]

I'm quite surprised this thread even exists among this community. Out of all the people in the world i though you guys would know that race is a SOCIAL CONSTRUCT

err yes, race is social construct. and?
racism is still a powerful and pervasive force in our societies, we are one generation from
https://i.imgur.com/1fVV8.jpg
but apparently now it's no longer  a problem and hey if we all bury our heads in the sand and pretend that white privelege no longer exists everything will be A-OK

Again, I'm not complaining that there are few black people here. I recognise that the techie nature makes the landscape more like northern canada (although presumably there are women in northern canada. whats your excuse for the gender imbalance?)... It's a natural consequence of the territory. However, it being 'natural' doesn't make it positive. And we can't stay in northern canada forever. At some point, bitcoin needs to expand to the rest of the world.

But does nobody else think it is a bad thing that bitcoin is dominated by white dudes? You idiots mock the idea of even pausing for a second to analyse the consequences of that.
I think there should be a concerned effort increase the diversity of the bitcoin  userbase, because the bitcoin economy will only succeed when it is true representative of wider legacy-currency using society. We need everyone to use bitcoins, not just white nerds... An economy cannot sustain itself on slim jims, mountain dew and RAM upgrades alone. And by it's nature there is a risk of moving bitcoin into a 'niche' in which we control the wealth. Once we are in there it's going to be difficult to move out of.

[BlockHash]

I'm quite surprised this thread even exists among this community. Out of all the people in the world i though you guys would know that race is a SOCIAL CONSTRUCT that has ZERO basis in biology. According to the International Code of Zoological Nomenclature there is no racial differentiation based on biology in man. It's another devious control mechanism created by the PTB to keep the poor blaming other poor for their problems. C'mon guys you are smarter than that.

I find it ironic that there is a picture of Morgan Freeman in this thread .

Well listen to what he says about race.

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=1131418n

and Slavery
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GL64gY79QkA

Morgan Freeman, paragon of intelligence (no disrespect to his work on Batman or March of the Penguins)

Poors and blacks have it so good, they should just get over it and smile! Right?

[Vod]

I wonder if these type of photographs can be found on ancestry.com?   "Look, MY grandmother was a racist!"

I'm a bitcoin developer.  I may be white, but my name is black. 

[Elwar]

People are individuals with their own thoughts and ideals.

End the collectivist groupthink.

[BitcoinPorn]

But does nobody else think it is a bad thing that bitcoin is dominated by white dudes? You idiots mock the idea of even pausing for a second to analyse the consequences of that.

You constantly offer racist problems but no solutions other than changing what has occurred and assuming what has occurred is wrong because of the fools who made Bitcoin were not born with the right heritage for you

[FlipPro]

But does nobody else think it is a bad thing that bitcoin is dominated by white dudes? You idiots mock the idea of even pausing for a second to analyse the consequences of that.

You constantly offer racist problems but no solutions other than changing what has occurred and assuming what has occurred is wrong because of the fools who made Bitcoin were not born with the right heritage for you

Technically the dude who made Bitcoin is the farthest thing from a "well-off White anglo male" LOL.

http://bitcoincloset.com/product.php?id_product=39

LAUGH at my shameless plug in this complete troll thread !

[Surawit]

Let's face it, chances are "Satoshi Nakamoto" is the handle of an anime-obsessed otaku Japanophile white american nerd too. He has never written anything in Japanese. Nothing about him points to Japan except his pseudonym. So pointing to him does seem a little hollow

[BlockHash]

But does nobody else think it is a bad thing that bitcoin is dominated by white dudes? You idiots mock the idea of even pausing for a second to analyse the consequences of that.

You constantly offer racist problems but no solutions other than changing what has occurred and assuming what has occurred is wrong because of the fools who made Bitcoin were not born with the right heritage for you

Technically the dude who made Bitcoin is the farthest thing from a "well-off White anglo male" LOL.

http://bitcoincloset.com/product.php?id_product=39

LAUGH at my shameless plug in this complete troll thread !

There is no evidence that Satoshi is Japanese, or any other ethnicity for that matter.

[indio007]

Morgan Freeman, paragon of intelligence .

Ad hominim is evidence proof of being a dolt.

[BlockHash]

Morgan Freeman, paragon of intelligence .

Ad hominim is evidence proof of being a dolt.

So is holding up Morgan Freeman as an example and implying "why can't all the darkies think like this guy?"

[indio007]

Trying reading comprehension.

 I said it was ironic that someone used Morgan Freeman to support the notion of a "black" god in this thread when his personal view is that the black/white differentiation is without substance.

Too bad it's too late for you to participate in this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwH01ual7KI&NR=1

[norulezapply]

Only if you allow it to be with bullshit old school way of thoughts like this.

I bet you support things holding back society like Black History Month too?

Such a shit thread.     Less racism, less sexism, was already existing in Bitcoin.  Only old school ways of thoughts will keep it from progressing further imo.

AND WHERE IS OUR WHITE ENTERTAINMENT TELEVISION?

Fuck off back to stormfront please, this topic is for serious discussion.

LMAO. This topic and serious discussion would never been seen in the same sentence...

[BlockHash]

Trying reading comprehension.

 I said it was ironic that someone used Morgan Freeman to support the notion of a "black" god in this thread when his personal view is that the black/white differentiation is without substance.

Too bad it's too late for you to participate in this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwH01ual7KI&NR=1

Didn't Freeman actually say that nothing was going to change the fact that he was a black guy and someone else is a white guy? I think his substance argument is more directed towards the concept of Black History Month.

[JeffK]

Let's face it, chances are "Satoshi Nakamoto" is the handle of an anime-obsessed otaku Japanophile white american nerd too. He has never written anything in Japanese. Nothing about him points to Japan except his pseudonym. So pointing to him does seem a little hollow

Little known fact, "Satoshu Nakamu" is a popular phrase in Japanese to describe white foreigners obsessed with the show Naruto

[cgpgroup]

I didnt realize race disclosure was necessary to use bitcoins. Last time I checked I was black.... not mixed, straight black Jamaican American....

I am smart... I am a nerd... got an MS in Computer Science, started working on a PhD in it and quit after I realized its a waste of time and money....

work as a software engineer, started a few companies, lived in more than one country, drives an Infiniti, owns over 50 acres of land...

got money to waste buying stupid shit like bitcoins....

and I am 32....

[freequant]

Technically the dude who made Bitcoin is the farthest thing from a "well-off White anglo male" LOL.

Let's face it, chances are "Satoshi Nakamoto" is the handle of an anime-obsessed otaku Japanophile white american nerd too. He has never written anything in Japanese. Nothing about him points to Japan except his pseudonym. So pointing to him does seem a little hollow

You completely missed the point.
FlipPro did not tell that Satoshi is Japanese.
FlipPro referred to the well known fact that Satoshi is black.   

[Gleb Gamow]

Hopefully, this will bring awareness to the desired demographic: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=918449.0

[mistercoin]

Is this a joke? Or are you actually serious?

[neurotypical]

How can you even know who uses Bitcoin based on race age or whatever?

[ruggedman_dan]

Hello. I am Black. I use bitcoins everyday.

Sorry for the interruption.

[50ouncebrew]

this question so fucked..

[Gleb Gamow]

Is this a joke? Or are you actually serious?

I am serious! Follow the link: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=918449.0 and look at Post #2. I've been working on it all day (with breaks, of course). More than halfway completed, I may add.

[CrackedLogic]

Look at the OP's date.

[TippingPoint]

I know someone who is the color of a baboon's ass, and he uses Bitcoin.

[jonald_fyookball]

ipad chainz.

[Superhitech]

Once KFC starts accepting bitcoins, there will be a boom.

Ok seriously, this was one of the weirdest/racist questions I've seen on the forum. Of course they use bitcoins! Satoshi made Bitcoin for everyone! Why do you care if black people use bitcoins or not? Accept everyone.

(I apologize if I offended anyone with the KFC joke)

[Atdhe]

As we move towards a less racist, less sexist, more egalitarian society...

We do not.
We move towards society that is pretending that and that maybe wishes that, but that is it. The wheel will turn around soon and the dark side of people will be revealed.

[ikydesu]

I see black ppl use bitcoin in Zimbabwe and he is develop a exchanger there. Bitcoin is not rasist

[Morecoin Freeman]

Morecoin Freeman does think this thread is inappropriate. And yes I do use bitcoin by the way.

[tokeweed]

read thread title and thought...  LOL

[mercistheman]

Me thinks bitcoin is discriminating against Martians... show me the Green!

[dmugetsu]

your question is irrelevant

Bitcoin is free for anyone to use

[fildza]

Its kind of funny when read the date of OP post and people bump this thread back. Btw I dont see problem for them to use bitcoins

[cryptopaths]

your question is irrelevant

Bitcoin is free for anyone to use

Also a majority of people using bitcoin stay anonymous.

[commandrix]

Half the people on this board could be blue or green or have purple blood and knobbly foreheads for all I know. It's not like the official Bitcoin website is making you show a photo ID before you can download a wallet. If black people find Bitcoin useful, they'll use it. Simple as that.

[MoonShadow]

Newbies come into here, read old threads, and wake the dead.  Seriously, the OP was just trolling FOUR YEARS AGO!

[Flashman]

and knobbly foreheads

Klingons, sure, just lets keep it away from the Ferenghi for a bit.

[commandrix]

and knobbly foreheads

Klingons, sure, just lets keep it away from the Ferenghi for a bit.

It's too late. The Ferengi are already involved. Remember, Rule of Acquisition #22 says, "A wise man can hear profit on the wind" and #9 says, "Opportunity plus instinct equals profit." So of course some of them who aren't afraid of high-risk, high-reward investments would have gotten involved in Bitcoin.

[Possum577]

Bitcoin doesn't see color, why do you?

[Flashman]

Code doesn't see color, it's DNA, ethnic origin, even species agnostic... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=la6vK6hI7rM

[maurya78]

http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2015/01/why-are-so-few-black-people-using-bitcoin/384268/

Lovely article

[starfeeder]

Simple question: I'd like to discuss the demographics of the bitcoin community.

Why are there no people of color promoting bitcoin? What is it about bitcoin that disproportionately attracts white males? Could this extreme lack of diversity be ultimately harmful to bitcoin?

I've been following the bitcoin phenomenon for several months now. I've watched hundreds of youtube videos, read the blogs, seen the posts here, seen the conference footage from NYC... and until Bill Cosby I don't think I've seen a single African-American. OK that's not entirely true, I once spotted a dude who was in the onlyonetv studios once between broadcasts and he didn't speak at all.

From my perspective at the moment it seems the bitcoin proponents are almost entirely rich, white males with the occasional bored-looking female hanging around... Bitcoin, in a sense, could be viewed as a mechanism for prolonging the economic and social dominance of white males at the expense of everyone else. As we move towards a less racist, less sexist, more egalitarian society... Will bitcoin be a step backwards? [Well obviously it'll be a step forwards for us, but its going to be worse for everyone else]

Uhm well Black people, and whole lot of other people do use Bitcoins. I guess your title was worded wrong, because yeah we don't see many minorities talking about it in the media, but in our meetup group we see people from all backgrounds. Little light on the female gender, however...

[MrTeal]

Newbies come into here, read old threads, and wake the dead.  Seriously, the OP was just trolling FOUR YEARS AGO!

Phin isn't a newbie.

[panju1]

A question raised 4 years ago....
Demographics have definitely changed now.
A lot more Asians are using bitcoins now.

[Gleb Gamow]

http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2015/01/why-are-so-few-black-people-using-bitcoin/384268/

Lovely article

From the looks of things, that’s where the currency needs a higher profile. A study conducted in May 2014 by the Conference of State Bank Supervisors and the Massachusetts Division of Banks showed that African Americans are less likely than whites and Hispanics to have heard about virtual currencies in general. Another study, released in July 2014 by the digital media company Morning Consult, found that African Americans are less likely than white and Hispanics to know “a lot” about Bitcoin.

Hence my attempt to garner over a million sets of new eyeballs looking at Bitcoin for the very first time come this upcoming weekend via https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=918449.

If you have a better plan, let me know so that I can back it. If there's a flaw in my plan, kindly let me know so that I can fix it, otherwise step outta my way, for I'm comin' through.

Meanwhile, I'm over 10% completion with formatting Satoshi Nakamoto's white paper to be tweeted the same fashion, the goal to have it completed and up live prior to the 15th as a point of reference, of sorts, for when the I Have a Dream Twitter account goes live and starts gaining traction.

[Gleb Gamow]

Newbies come into here, read old threads, and wake the dead.  Seriously, the OP was just trolling FOUR YEARS AGO!

Phin isn't a newbie.

That is correct! I purposely bumped this old thread; for reasons, see the post above this one.

[cyberpinoy]

Simple question: I'd like to discuss the demographics of the bitcoin community.

Why are there no people of color promoting bitcoin? What is it about bitcoin that disproportionately attracts white males? Could this extreme lack of diversity be ultimately harmful to bitcoin?

I've been following the bitcoin phenomenon for several months now. I've watched hundreds of youtube videos, read the blogs, seen the posts here, seen the conference footage from NYC... and until Bill Cosby I don't think I've seen a single African-American. OK that's not entirely true, I once spotted a dude who was in the onlyonetv studios once between broadcasts and he didn't speak at all.

From my perspective at the moment it seems the bitcoin proponents are almost entirely rich, white males with the occasional bored-looking female hanging around... Bitcoin, in a sense, could be viewed as a mechanism for prolonging the economic and social dominance of white males at the expense of everyone else. As we move towards a less racist, less sexist, more egalitarian society... Will bitcoin be a step backwards? [Well obviously it'll be a step forwards for us, but its going to be worse for everyone else]

the great thing about bitcoins is ANONYMITY, how do you knwo for sure you" have not seen a single African American" what makes you believe this?

[philiveyjr]

lol..Im pretty sure they use it.!! If they know of it.! I'm doing my part spreading awareness.!! the no of adopters is on the rise..just hope BTC doesnt collapse.! or get into the news for all the wrong reasons.!

[MoonShadow]

Newbies come into here, read old threads, and wake the dead.  Seriously, the OP was just trolling FOUR YEARS AGO!

Phin isn't a newbie.

Compared to myself, you all are.

BTW, in all my recollection, I've never been white.  So don't assume that just because some study somewhere said something that it actually means anything.

[therealjonnyd]

I just came here to giggle at the name of the thread. Carry on.

JD

[BADecker]

The answer is simple. They are into oil... black gold.   

[Marcoser123321]

This is a fairly messed up thread. I know at least one person who uses BTC for every race there is on the planet. Bitcoins are a global currency, and I hope it stays that way.