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I'm slightly perplexed about this whole scenario. The new chip is without doubt a good idea, especially for the DIY crowd, but what I can't fathom is why prospective buyers would want to use these chips when their manufacturer has made it abundantly clear that they want to sell huge amount of them to 'mining operations with large PCB making capacity'? Surely this is going to dilute any potential future earnings - small players can never hope to compete on economies of scale here, and remember that $0.5/GH or thereabouts is only going to be available to 'huge' volume users.
What an actual system will cost to make will be a lot more.
The net result will be that the network hashing power will go through the roof, and only the big operators will be able to survive.
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Some will have access to the appropriate tools and setup to be part of a group buy, get some chips, assemble, and get their miners online before the competition. They're betting that with the initial low cost, they will be ahead of the large scale DIY manufactures, who need to order massive amounts of parts, assemble, and deal with shipping, customer service, and etc and still make a profit. Plus with KnC, CoinTerra, and HashFast going their current paths, what other alternatives do miners have? Good points, my worry would be that by the time the smaller guys get sorted out, the big ones will be going full steam ahead. As for KNC and co, it will be interesting to see how (if) they respond. |
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http://blog.rockminer.com/#!/2014/04/13/Testing_Results_Of_BE200.md Testing Results Of BE200 We've got the results of one good testing board,it seems not good,but sill can be accepted.We will receive more chips at next weekend if things are going well . Results: Board:one chip testing board Frequency:360Mhz Volt:0.72V Hashrate per chip:11.52Ghash Power consumption:6.375W per chip Power consumption per Ghash:6.375/11.52=0.5539W/Ghash After power supply changeover:0.5539/81% = 0.684W/Ghash（at blade） Power consumption on wall:0.684/0.8 = 0.855W/G Adding other components loss about 1KW/Thash Tips:this result is not very accurate just for reference. |
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April 15, 2014, 07:46:29 AM |
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Friedcat, we are waiting for you.
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April 15, 2014, 08:57:47 AM
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Good Luck For Everyone!
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April 15, 2014, 10:07:15 PM |
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Friedcat, we are waiting for you.
In Bitcoin, You wait for friedcat. |
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April 18, 2014, 07:37:00 PM |
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Not sure if this has been posted here yet: |
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April 21, 2014, 03:23:48 AM |
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what's the power consumption ? |
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April 21, 2014, 03:23:52 AM |
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Hurrah! Fixed the first 2 links Important stuff: QFN package The typical hash power is ~12GH/s in rated mode. There is a pin to initiate turbo clock ranges: bs decides the operating mode. When bs=0, the range of core clock frequency is 200MHz-400MHz. When bs=1, the range of core clock frequency is 375MHz-750MHz. Core Vdd, 0.55v~0.88v |
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April 21, 2014, 03:24:25 AM |
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Any news on the actual consumption of the chip and availability date/quantity/price? When will these figures be available? |
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April 21, 2014, 03:27:30 AM |
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Any news on the actual consumption of the chip and availability date/quantity/price? When will these figures be available?
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April 21, 2014, 03:49:45 AM |
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The actual consumption will depend on the PCB design that the miner will implement and the DC to DC power circuit (buck regulator, MOSFETs, etc). The only thing we know today is the info from Rockxie's first tests with the test board he designed. He had some component problems unrelated to BE200 as far as I know.
I assume the AM BE200 does not support a "OneString" design?
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April 21, 2014, 04:19:13 AM |
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Excellent! This is great news |
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April 23, 2014, 07:49:49 PM |
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For all you AM fans, this might be slightly disturbing: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=387533.msg6358781#msg6358781Seems AM are going to build some 8 million chips by June. That's a lot of wafers, and a lot of capacity. It will take them a good few months to deploy it, but when they do it's going to drastically affect earnings, I'd estimate by September that the network rate will be 200PH. At that level, a TH of power might earn you $195 a month after you've paid for your power, and they'll want to add the same again, no doubt. I just don't understand your enthusiasm for your soon-to-be biggest competitor? (albeit indirectly) |
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April 23, 2014, 07:53:04 PM |
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For all you AM fans, this might be slightly disturbing: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=387533.msg6358781#msg6358781Seems AM are going to build some 8 million chips by June. That's a lot of wafers, and a lot of capacity. It will take them a good few months to deploy it, but when they do it's going to drastically affect earnings, I'd estimate by September that the network rate will be 200PH. At that level, a TH of power might earn you $195 a month after you've paid for your power, and they'll want to add the same again, no doubt. I just don't understand your enthusiasm for your soon-to-be biggest competitor? (albeit indirectly) They're not deploying that power for self mining. They're selling those chips. Still the same increase, but that's simply the way things go. |
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April 23, 2014, 08:34:41 PM |
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I'm having troubles downloading that file ... has anyone else been able to get it? |
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CanaryInTheMine
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April 23, 2014, 08:45:08 PM |
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For all you AM fans, this might be slightly disturbing: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=387533.msg6358781#msg6358781Seems AM are going to build some 8 million chips by June. That's a lot of wafers, and a lot of capacity. It will take them a good few months to deploy it, but when they do it's going to drastically affect earnings, I'd estimate by September that the network rate will be 200PH. At that level, a TH of power might earn you $195 a month after you've paid for your power, and they'll want to add the same again, no doubt. I just don't understand your enthusiasm for your soon-to-be biggest competitor? (albeit indirectly) AM's goal is to reclaim the lead in chips and keep it. To avoid the centralization debate, the emphasis is on selling chips to anyone who wants to create their own miners. in the long run, we should see something like the Intel/AMD (maybe few others will join Bitcoin ASIC chip producers club) as they relate to PC/server manufacturing today. i.e. AM makes the chips, but other companies build miners to satisfy different market segments. also, very soon, there's no reason why Samsung TVs, DVD players etc... shouldn't have a swap-able card that runs Bitcoin mining chip/s. that device may be "free" to you if you provide electricity/internet and Samsung keeps mined btc? (substitute Samsung for any other maker of some appliance). it's possible that the entertainment industry can use Bitcoin to "solve" the piracy "issue" when they finally see the light and get some forward thinking, technology understanding board members at Hollywood & Co. and 3d printing can benefit by using Bitcoin to deliver one time use/print designs for an item you print at home or local Kinko's (former or new 3D-Kinkos). no need to go to store to buy a cup for ex. (also, no need for another country to manufacture it and ship it in a container overseas). Your payment for a printed item, can be made to multiple parties in the new supply chain: the designer of the item and the raw material manufacturer. the 3d printer could have a chip to help process printing requests and handle instant payments to all involved (no need to have NET 30 terms when I buy a cup, everyone gets paid instantly). this is a high level, simple example using a cup, let your imagination run wild. devices/systems that utilize Bitcoin (yes, upper B) network may need/want chips for uses besides just mining for bitcoins. AM is positioning to take the lead and keep it. |
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April 23, 2014, 09:01:18 PM |
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For all you AM fans, this might be slightly disturbing: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=387533.msg6358781#msg6358781Seems AM are going to build some 8 million chips by June. That's a lot of wafers, and a lot of capacity. It will take them a good few months to deploy it, but when they do it's going to drastically affect earnings, I'd estimate by September that the network rate will be 200PH. At that level, a TH of power might earn you $195 a month after you've paid for your power, and they'll want to add the same again, no doubt. I just don't understand your enthusiasm for your soon-to-be biggest competitor? (albeit indirectly) AM's goal is to reclaim the lead in chips and keep it. To avoid the centralization debate, the emphasis is on selling chips to anyone who wants to create their own miners. in the long run, we should see something like the Intel/AMD (maybe few others will join Bitcoin ASIC chip producers club) as they relate to PC/server manufacturing today. i.e. AM makes the chips, but other companies build miners to satisfy different market segments. also, very soon, there's no reason why Samsung TVs, DVD players etc... shouldn't have a swap-able card that runs Bitcoin mining chip/s. that device may be "free" to you if you provide electricity/internet and Samsung keeps mined btc? (substitute Samsung for any other maker of some appliance). it's possible that the entertainment industry can use Bitcoin to "solve" the piracy "issue" when they finally see the light and get some forward thinking, technology understanding board members at Hollywood & Co. and 3d printing can benefit by using Bitcoin to deliver one time use/print designs for an item you print at home or local Kinko's (former or new 3D-Kinkos). no need to go to store to buy a cup for ex. (also, no need for another country to manufacture it and ship it in a container overseas). Your payment for a printed item, can be made to multiple parties in the new supply chain: the designer of the item and the raw material manufacturer. the 3d printer could have a chip to help process printing requests and handle instant payments to all involved (no need to have NET 30 terms when I buy a cup, everyone gets paid instantly). this is a high level, simple example using a cup, let your imagination run wild. devices/systems that utilize Bitcoin (yes, upper B) network may need/want chips for uses besides just mining for bitcoins. AM is positioning to take the lead and keep it. This is an interesting concept, Canary. I can imagine this might spur a startup or two--is anyone talking about something like this I could read more about? |
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April 23, 2014, 09:12:30 PM |
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For all you AM fans, this might be slightly disturbing: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=387533.msg6358781#msg6358781Seems AM are going to build some 8 million chips by June. That's a lot of wafers, and a lot of capacity. It will take them a good few months to deploy it, but when they do it's going to drastically affect earnings, I'd estimate by September that the network rate will be 200PH. At that level, a TH of power might earn you $195 a month after you've paid for your power, and they'll want to add the same again, no doubt. I just don't understand your enthusiasm for your soon-to-be biggest competitor? (albeit indirectly) AM's goal is to reclaim the lead in chips and keep it. To avoid the centralization debate, the emphasis is on selling chips to anyone who wants to create their own miners. in the long run, we should see something like the Intel/AMD (maybe few others will join Bitcoin ASIC chip producers club) as they relate to PC/server manufacturing today. i.e. AM makes the chips, but other companies build miners to satisfy different market segments. also, very soon, there's no reason why Samsung TVs, DVD players etc... shouldn't have a swap-able card that runs Bitcoin mining chip/s. that device may be "free" to you if you provide electricity/internet and Samsung keeps mined btc? (substitute Samsung for any other maker of some appliance). it's possible that the entertainment industry can use Bitcoin to "solve" the piracy "issue" when they finally see the light and get some forward thinking, technology understanding board members at Hollywood & Co. and 3d printing can benefit by using Bitcoin to deliver one time use/print designs for an item you print at home or local Kinko's (former or new 3D-Kinkos). no need to go to store to buy a cup for ex. (also, no need for another country to manufacture it and ship it in a container overseas). Your payment for a printed item, can be made to multiple parties in the new supply chain: the designer of the item and the raw material manufacturer. the 3d printer could have a chip to help process printing requests and handle instant payments to all involved (no need to have NET 30 terms when I buy a cup, everyone gets paid instantly). this is a high level, simple example using a cup, let your imagination run wild. devices/systems that utilize Bitcoin (yes, upper B) network may need/want chips for uses besides just mining for bitcoins. AM is positioning to take the lead and keep it. This is an interesting concept, Canary. I can imagine this might spur a startup or two--is anyone talking about something like this I could read more about? there are already systems under development (near release) from the 3d printing leaders to offer pay per use 3d printing. its also been proposed doing licensing for printing popular likenesses and characters etc, as well as in-store printing of your own figures etc. this is coming to the retail and home environment, regardless of bitcoin and isn't specifically a bitcoin related business. http://www.3dsystems.com/press-releases/staples-partners-3d-systems-launch-store-3d-printing-experience-new-york-and-losits not clear how bitcoin itself helps avoid piracy... although in general - business model-wise - if only the movie industry would offer its content in a form, and at a time when the customers wanted it (and pay for it) maybe there'd be a lot less piracy. these staggered windowed releases and staggered territory releases are whats hurting them.. yet again, bitcoin or not. How are you suggesting that AsicMiner's bitcoin mining chips can be useful outside of mining for bitcoins? you mean mining for some other SHA-256 coin?, or are you referring to non-mining uses (are there any?) |
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April 23, 2014, 09:17:25 PM |
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For all you AM fans, this might be slightly disturbing: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=387533.msg6358781#msg6358781Seems AM are going to build some 8 million chips by June. That's a lot of wafers, and a lot of capacity. It will take them a good few months to deploy it, but when they do it's going to drastically affect earnings, I'd estimate by September that the network rate will be 200PH. At that level, a TH of power might earn you $195 a month after you've paid for your power, and they'll want to add the same again, no doubt. I just don't understand your enthusiasm for your soon-to-be biggest competitor? (albeit indirectly) AM's goal is to reclaim the lead in chips and keep it. To avoid the centralization debate, the emphasis is on selling chips to anyone who wants to create their own miners. in the long run, we should see something like the Intel/AMD (maybe few others will join Bitcoin ASIC chip producers club) as they relate to PC/server manufacturing today. i.e. AM makes the chips, but other companies build miners to satisfy different market segments. also, very soon, there's no reason why Samsung TVs, DVD players etc... shouldn't have a swap-able card that runs Bitcoin mining chip/s. that device may be "free" to you if you provide electricity/internet and Samsung keeps mined btc? (substitute Samsung for any other maker of some appliance). it's possible that the entertainment industry can use Bitcoin to "solve" the piracy "issue" when they finally see the light and get some forward thinking, technology understanding board members at Hollywood & Co. and 3d printing can benefit by using Bitcoin to deliver one time use/print designs for an item you print at home or local Kinko's (former or new 3D-Kinkos). no need to go to store to buy a cup for ex. (also, no need for another country to manufacture it and ship it in a container overseas). Your payment for a printed item, can be made to multiple parties in the new supply chain: the designer of the item and the raw material manufacturer. the 3d printer could have a chip to help process printing requests and handle instant payments to all involved (no need to have NET 30 terms when I buy a cup, everyone gets paid instantly). this is a high level, simple example using a cup, let your imagination run wild. devices/systems that utilize Bitcoin (yes, upper B) network may need/want chips for uses besides just mining for bitcoins. AM is positioning to take the lead and keep it. This is an interesting concept, Canary. I can imagine this might spur a startup or two--is anyone talking about something like this I could read more about? there are already systems under development (near release) from the 3d printing leaders to offer pay per use 3d printing. its also been proposed doing licensing for printing popular likenesses and characters etc, as well as in-store printing of your own figures etc. this is coming to the retail and home environment, regardless of bitcoin and isn't specifically a bitcoin related business. http://www.3dsystems.com/press-releases/staples-partners-3d-systems-launch-store-3d-printing-experience-new-york-and-losits not clear how bitcoin itself helps avoid piracy... although in general - business model-wise - if only the movie industry would offer its content in a form, and at a time when the customers wanted it (and pay for it) maybe there'd be a lot less piracy. these staggered windowed releases and staggered territory releases are whats hurting them.. yet again, bitcoin or not. How are you suggesting that AsicMiner's bitcoin mining chips can be useful outside of mining for bitcoins? you mean mining for some other SHA-256 coin?, or are you referring to non-mining uses (are there any?) In the medium to long term, why not put a few ASIC chips into a device that uses power to produce heat (electric hot water heater, oven, space heater) and earn some satoshi while running? You could recuperate some of the electricity cost that way. |
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