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Author Topic: [ANN][RIC] Riecoin: constellations POW *CPU* HARD FORK successful, world record  (Read 657348 times)
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March 17, 2014, 09:45:41 AM
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dga: your mining software can be set to a 0% dev fee (or so it appears). I won't do that of course..

Well, you can use the -d parameter to set the donation to whatever you want... but it is ignored and always hard-coded at 10%. No, I didn't miss a decimal point in that - it's 10%!

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March 17, 2014, 10:47:30 AM
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If it's 66% then it can be solved this way:
a block is a 6tuple of primes, <p1, p2, p3, p4, p5, p6>
For shares, we also allow the last 2 numbers to be composite instead of primes, like this:
<p1, p2, p3, p4, p5, c6> or <p1, p2, p3, p4, c5, c6>
so 4 primes and 2 composites make a valid share.
If we allowed the following cases to be shares too:
<p1, p2, p3, p4, c6, p6>
<p1, p2, p3, c4, p5, p6>
<p1, p2, p3, c4, c5, p6>
<p1, p2, p3, c4, p5, c6>
Then versions (a) and (b) would miss lots of these cases, loosing their advantage. The best share-finder would be also the best block-finder.

I see only one drawback: currently a miner can stop testing if it finds something like <p1, p2, p3, c4, ??>. After the 4th test you know that you won't find a block or a share. But with this modification, the miner has to do 2 more tests because it could be a valid share of the form <p1, p2, p3, c4, c5, p6>.
This means the pooled miner has a small overhead compared to the solo block-finder that stops after the first composite. However this overhead is really mnimal: how many 3ch/s are you currently having per cpu? less than 1. Probably one 3ch every 10 seconds or more. That's how often you''d incurr in this overhead.

Currently, my stratum-mining accepts any combination that has at least 4 primes as long as the first one of the 6tuple is prime. I'm testing more carefully and I have to sleep now, but if everything goes ok we'll have full working new versions of the client, miner and stratum server during tomorrow.

gatra

EDIT: another thing: if you suspect someone is cheating ypool, you should contact jh00. I think he does trial division tests for some divisors on each share, so your (a) miner would be detected.

I think accepting any four is the right answer, or 1st+3.  The miner implementer can then pick if a good strategy is to search for all of them.  The extra search pain would be high if you had to check three positions for compositeness, but it's very low if you use the "first one prime" strategy.  Almost no other time in the miner matters other than sieving and checking the first spot.  And yes - perhaps 1 3ch/s on a desktop CPU.

I'll throw in some stats counters in a test run later to count any-fours and see how it changes things.

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March 17, 2014, 01:37:37 PM
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what i want for days to ask and actually i forget is:

Is this coin actually trying to prove wrong the Riemann hypothesis or it just finds primes?

And if not yet will those primes that it finds will actually help this cause somehow in the future and how?

cause i remember that this coin was about that but then something changed i think..maybe it was difficult to program or something...

As I understand it, Riecoin is not directly trying to prove/disprove the Riemann hypothesis. Rather it is seeking primes that will verify the Hardy-Littlewood k-tuple conjecture for k=6 (info: http://mathworld.wolfram.com/k-TupleConjecture.html)
Also, from the NS article:
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These "prime constellations" provide a way to test the Riemann hypothesis, which is one of the seven Millennium Prize Problems designated by the Clay Mathematics Institute in Providence, Rhode Island. A proof of the hypothesis is worth $1 million.

Riecoin can't find a proof, but it might find an example of a constellation that doesn't fit with Riemann and so offer clues as to how to disprove it – although most mathematicians expect it to hold.


So is the creator of RieCoin trying to get us to help them earn $1 million?

If so, what a sneaky and smart person.

If you are going to leave your BTC on an exchange please send it to this address instead 1GH3ub3UUHbU5qDJW5u3E9jZ96ZEmzaXtG, I will at least use the money better than someone who steals it from the exchange. Thanks Wink
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March 17, 2014, 04:28:30 PM
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Updated the optimized ypool miner - about 10-30% faster (haven't finished an extensive head-to-head benchmark).

But this one is much more aggressive about being pool-friendly:  It sieves all six spots to a million, to try to reduce the advantage that the solo miners currently have vs the pool miners.

Please note that this one will still find you 10-30% more *shares* - but it will also help the pool find substantially more *blocks* for you to get shares of.  I've made sure that this extra pool-friendliness does not slow anything down for the individual miner (and, indeed, it's faster than b7).

http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dga/crypto/ric/

  -Dave

Been running b8 for a little over 9 or 10 hours now and here are my results from b7 version

AMD 8350         2ch/s:  9.0910 now  10.6775    3ch/s:  0.2235 now 0.2885   4ch/s:   0.0051 now  0.0056
AMD 1100T       2ch/s: 11.2537 now  12.8153    3ch/s: 1.2764 now 0.3280    4ch/s:   0.0059 now  0.0094

I did not have these two on it but I havethem running now.

AMD P II X3        2ch/s:   2.5723 now 4.0458    3ch/s:   0.0524 now 0.1032    4ch/s:    0.0011 now 0.0020
Intel Xon L5520   2ch/s:   4.7408                     3ch/s:   0.1221                    4ch/s:    0.0033   (I did not write the values down before I started.)


Looking at Ypool stats for my workers I am at: Total share value/h (estimated): 15.2233  (should have wrote this down also to see a comparison)
Also I was running at 0.004-0.008 in Block Yield in Coins before I started even the b7. Now I am running 0.016-0.021.

Thanks again

EDIT: I forgot, I have already cleared 8 coins today with a total of 2.3 left in the confirmed/unconfirmed

If you are going to leave your BTC on an exchange please send it to this address instead 1GH3ub3UUHbU5qDJW5u3E9jZ96ZEmzaXtG, I will at least use the money better than someone who steals it from the exchange. Thanks Wink
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March 17, 2014, 04:55:07 PM
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To remove the 10% dev fee on b8 version just edit the binary using vi editor :

vi xptminer-sse4-b8

:,$s/RUhMA8bvsr48aC3WVj3aGf5p1zytPSz59o/Your_Address/
(ENTER)
:wq

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March 17, 2014, 05:23:21 PM
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To remove the 10% dev fee on b8 version just edit the binary using vi editor :

vi xptminer-sse4-b8

:,$s/RUhMA8bvsr48aC3WVj3aGf5p1zytPSz59o/Your_Address/
(ENTER)
:wq


@miki, did you really want to start an arms race?  I have no desire to make it hard for people who really object to the dev fee to remove it, so I left it simple as you noticed - with help - but you should consider the long-term effects of your actions with respect to the incentives for miners and developers and creating a thriving community for the coin.

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March 17, 2014, 05:39:42 PM
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To remove the 10% dev fee on b8 version just edit the binary using vi editor :

vi xptminer-sse4-b8

:,$s/RUhMA8bvsr48aC3WVj3aGf5p1zytPSz59o/Your_Address/
(ENTER)
:wq



That's really cool miki, guess what you don't get anything from me now
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March 17, 2014, 05:48:17 PM
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To remove the 10% dev fee on b8 version just edit the binary using vi editor :

vi xptminer-sse4-b8

:,$s/RUhMA8bvsr48aC3WVj3aGf5p1zytPSz59o/Your_Address/
(ENTER)
:wq


@miki, did you really want to start an arms race?  I have no desire to make it hard for people who really object to the dev fee to remove it, so I left it simple as you noticed - with help - but you should consider the long-term effects of your actions with respect to the incentives for miners and developers and creating a thriving community for the coin.

well 10% looked a bit extreme guys...dont you think?

when clintar had 2% fee i mined for 10 days even after removing his fee

but dont you think that 10% is too much? and we already know that you guys mine with optimized miners before us...

I dont say if it is bad or not to have a fee. or mine with optimized miners. after all those that have the skills must gain. I am saying that if fees are extreme people dont like that and will find their way to not pay it... it needs an equilibrium.
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March 17, 2014, 05:53:39 PM
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To remove the [snip]
I'm not a dev, but that seems like a really kinda sorta douchey thing to do.


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March 17, 2014, 05:59:38 PM
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To remove the 10% dev fee on b8 version just edit the binary using vi editor :

vi xptminer-sse4-b8

:,$s/RUhMA8bvsr48aC3WVj3aGf5p1zytPSz59o/Your_Address/
(ENTER)
:wq


@miki, did you really want to start an arms race?  I have no desire to make it hard for people who really object to the dev fee to remove it, so I left it simple as you noticed - with help - but you should consider the long-term effects of your actions with respect to the incentives for miners and developers and creating a thriving community for the coin.

well 10% looked a bit extreme guys...dont you think?

when clintar had 2% fee i mined for 10 days even after removing his fee

but dont you think that 10% is too much? and we already know that you guys mine with optimized miners before us...

I dont say if it is bad or not to have a fee. or mine with optimized miners. after all those that have the skills must gain. I am saying that if fees are extreme people dont like that and will find their way to not pay it... it needs an equilibrium.

No one's forcing you to use it. Like I always say to whoever asks me remove/reduce fees on my miners, "You pay a premium for premium"
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March 17, 2014, 06:11:00 PM
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To remove the 10% dev fee on b8 version just edit the binary using vi editor :

vi xptminer-sse4-b8

:,$s/RUhMA8bvsr48aC3WVj3aGf5p1zytPSz59o/Your_Address/
(ENTER)
:wq


@miki, did you really want to start an arms race?  I have no desire to make it hard for people who really object to the dev fee to remove it, so I left it simple as you noticed - with help - but you should consider the long-term effects of your actions with respect to the incentives for miners and developers and creating a thriving community for the coin.

well 10% looked a bit extreme guys...dont you think?

when clintar had 2% fee i mined for 10 days even after removing his fee

but dont you think that 10% is too much? and we already know that you guys mine with optimized miners before us...

I dont say if it is bad or not to have a fee. or mine with optimized miners. after all those that have the skills must gain. I am saying that if fees are extreme people dont like that and will find their way to not pay it... it needs an equilibrium.

No one's forcing you to use it. Like I always say to whoever asks me remove/reduce fees on my miners, "You pay a premium for premium"

actually noone is forcing me to pay the premium when it is clearly easy to delete the fee... i pay the premium cause i believe it helps innovation and those who deserve it. But when i believe it is too much...
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March 17, 2014, 06:25:37 PM
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To remove the 10% dev fee on b8 version just edit the binary using vi editor :

vi xptminer-sse4-b8

:,$s/RUhMA8bvsr48aC3WVj3aGf5p1zytPSz59o/Your_Address/
(ENTER)
:wq


@miki, did you really want to start an arms race?  I have no desire to make it hard for people who really object to the dev fee to remove it, so I left it simple as you noticed - with help - but you should consider the long-term effects of your actions with respect to the incentives for miners and developers and creating a thriving community for the coin.

well 10% looked a bit extreme guys...dont you think?

when clintar had 2% fee i mined for 10 days even after removing his fee

but dont you think that 10% is too much? and we already know that you guys mine with optimized miners before us...

I dont say if it is bad or not to have a fee. or mine with optimized miners. after all those that have the skills must gain. I am saying that if fees are extreme people dont like that and will find their way to not pay it... it needs an equilibrium.

No one's forcing you to use it. Like I always say to whoever asks me remove/reduce fees on my miners, "You pay a premium for premium"

actually noone is forcing me to pay the premium when it is clearly easy to delete the fee... i pay the premium cause i believe it helps innovation and those who deserve it. But when i believe it is too much...

Preventing people like you cause us too work hard on protecting our software and wasting time that would have been otherwise used in something more productive
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March 17, 2014, 06:42:26 PM
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To remove the 10% dev fee on b8 version just edit the binary using vi editor :

vi xptminer-sse4-b8

:,$s/RUhMA8bvsr48aC3WVj3aGf5p1zytPSz59o/Your_Address/
(ENTER)
:wq


@miki, did you really want to start an arms race?  I have no desire to make it hard for people who really object to the dev fee to remove it, so I left it simple as you noticed - with help - but you should consider the long-term effects of your actions with respect to the incentives for miners and developers and creating a thriving community for the coin.

well 10% looked a bit extreme guys...dont you think?

when clintar had 2% fee i mined for 10 days even after removing his fee

but dont you think that 10% is too much? and we already know that you guys mine with optimized miners before us...

I dont say if it is bad or not to have a fee. or mine with optimized miners. after all those that have the skills must gain. I am saying that if fees are extreme people dont like that and will find their way to not pay it... it needs an equilibrium.

No one's forcing you to use it. Like I always say to whoever asks me remove/reduce fees on my miners, "You pay a premium for premium"

actually noone is forcing me to pay the premium when it is clearly easy to delete the fee... i pay the premium cause i believe it helps innovation and those who deserve it. But when i believe it is too much...

Preventing people like you cause us too work hard on protecting our software and wasting time that would have been otherwise used in something more productive

You should do a good job in the first place, something that is so easy to override (didn't try, don't know if it is true) show that wasn't really well designed from a security point of view and it doesn't deserve to be called premium.

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March 17, 2014, 06:52:27 PM
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To remove the 10% dev fee on b8 version just edit the binary using vi editor :

vi xptminer-sse4-b8

:,$s/RUhMA8bvsr48aC3WVj3aGf5p1zytPSz59o/Your_Address/
(ENTER)
:wq


@miki, did you really want to start an arms race?  I have no desire to make it hard for people who really object to the dev fee to remove it, so I left it simple as you noticed - with help - but you should consider the long-term effects of your actions with respect to the incentives for miners and developers and creating a thriving community for the coin.

well 10% looked a bit extreme guys...dont you think?

when clintar had 2% fee i mined for 10 days even after removing his fee

but dont you think that 10% is too much? and we already know that you guys mine with optimized miners before us...

I dont say if it is bad or not to have a fee. or mine with optimized miners. after all those that have the skills must gain. I am saying that if fees are extreme people dont like that and will find their way to not pay it... it needs an equilibrium.

No one's forcing you to use it. Like I always say to whoever asks me remove/reduce fees on my miners, "You pay a premium for premium"

actually noone is forcing me to pay the premium when it is clearly easy to delete the fee... i pay the premium cause i believe it helps innovation and those who deserve it. But when i believe it is too much...

Preventing people like you cause us too work hard on protecting our software and wasting time that would have been otherwise used in something more productive

You should do a good job in the first place, something that is so easy to override (didn't try, don't know if it is true) show that wasn't really well designed from a security point of view and it doesn't deserve to be called premium.



So is a premium miner the one which has more anti reversing features or the one which is faster?
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March 17, 2014, 07:00:03 PM
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You should do a good job in the first place, something that is so easy to override (didn't try, don't know if it is true) show that wasn't really well designed from a security point of view and it doesn't deserve to be called premium.
Huh DRM != premium

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March 17, 2014, 07:05:11 PM
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To remove the 10% dev fee on b8 version just edit the binary using vi editor :

vi xptminer-sse4-b8

:,$s/RUhMA8bvsr48aC3WVj3aGf5p1zytPSz59o/Your_Address/
(ENTER)
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@miki, did you really want to start an arms race?  I have no desire to make it hard for people who really object to the dev fee to remove it, so I left it simple as you noticed - with help - but you should consider the long-term effects of your actions with respect to the incentives for miners and developers and creating a thriving community for the coin.

@squaggle That was for the comment about your 'conclusion'.
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March 17, 2014, 07:07:31 PM
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To remove the 10% dev fee on b8 version just edit the binary using vi editor :

vi xptminer-sse4-b8

:,$s/RUhMA8bvsr48aC3WVj3aGf5p1zytPSz59o/Your_Address/
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This really vexes me, this is a blatant form of stealing if you modify and run the software without the fee.

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March 17, 2014, 07:12:48 PM
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Wow, RIC mining would have paid off two of my research servers trading  0.002 BTC/RIC. I do not pay attention to the market but perhaps it is time to.

gatra: Any estimate on when your pool server code will be ready for testing? Also, for your GPU implementation, will you be targeting AMD or Nvidia GPUs?

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March 17, 2014, 07:37:51 PM
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To remove the 10% dev fee on b8 version just edit the binary using vi editor :

vi xptminer-sse4-b8

:,$s/RUhMA8bvsr48aC3WVj3aGf5p1zytPSz59o/Your_Address/
(ENTER)
:wq


@miki, did you really want to start an arms race?  I have no desire to make it hard for people who really object to the dev fee to remove it, so I left it simple as you noticed - with help - but you should consider the long-term effects of your actions with respect to the incentives for miners and developers and creating a thriving community for the coin.

well 10% looked a bit extreme guys...dont you think?

when clintar had 2% fee i mined for 10 days even after removing his fee

but dont you think that 10% is too much? and we already know that you guys mine with optimized miners before us...

I dont say if it is bad or not to have a fee. or mine with optimized miners. after all those that have the skills must gain. I am saying that if fees are extreme people dont like that and will find their way to not pay it... it needs an equilibrium.

I think 10% is way too much. I'd rather have a sensible minimum set, and allow users to set it higher if they want.

At 10% (and this before pool fees), it's hardly surprising that people will try to circumvent it.

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March 17, 2014, 07:43:32 PM
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Hi, this is my first post here:)
I'd like to share my RIC solo-miner code, embedded in riecoind.

https://bitbucket.org/a00k/riecoin
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