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February 13, 2014, 10:25:40 AM
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Current n-1 improvement (already mentioned elsewhere):

Run rminerd with a larger sieve.  12% improvement in going from 1Mb (default) to 2Mb on xeon class machines (i.e with large caches).  For example

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./rminerd -q -o http://10.10.10.10:28332 -O awallet:apassword -t 8 -i 2097152

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February 13, 2014, 10:51:07 AM
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wts 300ric=3btc PM ME Smiley Smiley Smiley Smiley Smiley
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February 13, 2014, 11:05:55 AM
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Okay then. Can't beat 'em, then join 'em...

Yeah, seems to me, for new algo coins, miner optimization and mining ("optimine") is the new premine. However, once the word gets around,  and there are no optimized miners published, there will be no buyers for the optimined coins.

No way around this. For all we know, Bitcoin was massively premined early on by someone that coded a GPU miner in private too. Same with LTC



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February 13, 2014, 11:06:30 AM
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any block explorer ?
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February 13, 2014, 11:19:07 AM
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Current n-1 improvement (already mentioned elsewhere):

Run rminerd with a larger sieve.  12% improvement in going from 1Mb (default) to 2Mb on xeon class machines (i.e with large caches).  For example

Code:
./rminerd -q -o http://10.10.10.10:28332 -O awallet:apassword -t 8 -i 2097152

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Next n-1 improvement is a small one (1-2% depending on how sieve size used) and was found before I focused on the time critical code:

Replace all

Code:
  if( mpz_probab_prime_p ( bnTarget, MR_TESTS) )

With

Code:
  if( mpz_millerrabin ( bnTarget, MR_TESTS) )

mpz_probab_prime_p is a wrapper around mpz_millerrabin which includes tests for small primes.  The sieve which riecoin uses has already sieved the numbers so no need to double sieve.

I would expect this to make more than a few % points on small memory systems.

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February 13, 2014, 11:36:50 AM
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Current n-1 improvement (already mentioned elsewhere):

Run rminerd with a larger sieve.  12% improvement in going from 1Mb (default) to 2Mb on xeon class machines (i.e with large caches).  For example

Code:
./rminerd -q -o http://10.10.10.10:28332 -O awallet:apassword -t 8 -i 2097152

Regards,

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Next n-1 improvement is a small one (1-2% depending on how sieve size used) and was found before I focused on the time critical code:

Replace all

Code:
  if( mpz_probab_prime_p ( bnTarget, MR_TESTS) )

With

Code:
  if( mpz_millerrabin ( bnTarget, MR_TESTS) )

mpz_probab_prime_p is a wrapper around mpz_millerrabin which includes tests for small primes.  The sieve which riecoin uses has already sieved the numbers so no need to double sieve.

I would expect this to make more than a few % points on small memory systems.

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could you compile a windows version pls ?
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February 13, 2014, 11:41:48 AM
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oke not like this :  ./rminerd -q -o http://10.10.10.10:28332 -O awallet:apassword -t 8 -i 2097152

but this it would regnize it : ./rminerd -q -o http://10.10.10.10:28332 -O awallet:apassword -t 8 -i2097152
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February 13, 2014, 12:59:34 PM
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Fair launch:

Since this is a new PoW, it is very hard to define a starting difficulty that avoids instamining. To overcome this and contribute to a fair launch, the first 576 blocks will have no reward and the next 576 will linearly increase and reach the full reward at block 1152, after 4 difficulty adjustments were performed. Besides avoiding instamining, this should allow time for those who want to compile their own clients.
Mining

Okay, so you want to tell us something about a fair launch?

Lets put the facts together:
- The difficulty was insanely high from the start
- There was no mining pool at the beginning
=> People have to solo mine this coin. But because of the extreme difficulty, you can't even solve a block with 50-100 CPUs in reasonable time (~48h).

So, who is the winner of this coin?
=> Just a handful miner / botnet owner who have extreme capacity (> 500 CPUs) to solve the blocks. The do get the FULL reward, whereas miner with decent CPU capacity have nearly no chance to get somethink. This very unfair situation remains until there is a pool available. Until then, the few miner will squeeze everything out of that coin and this is called something like "INSTAMINING"!


This launch was a pure fail.
Either the difficulty had to be adjusted so that everyone has the chance to solve some blocks or you had to setup a pool for the launch.

I'm done with this. Pretty sad because I had some hope in this coin because of its innovative algo.

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February 13, 2014, 01:06:08 PM
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Fair launch:

Since this is a new PoW, it is very hard to define a starting difficulty that avoids instamining. To overcome this and contribute to a fair launch, the first 576 blocks will have no reward and the next 576 will linearly increase and reach the full reward at block 1152, after 4 difficulty adjustments were performed. Besides avoiding instamining, this should allow time for those who want to compile their own clients.
Mining

Okay, so you want to tell us something about a fair launch?

Lets put the facts together:
- The difficulty was insanely high from the start
- There was no mining pool at the beginning
=> People have to solo mine this coin. But because of the extreme difficulty, you can't even solve a block with 50-100 CPUs in reasonable time (~48h).

So, who is the winner of this coin?
=> Just a handful miner / botnet owner who have extreme capacity (> 500 CPUs) to solve the blocks. The do get the FULL reward, whereas miner with decent CPU capacity have nearly no chance to get somethink. This very unfair situation remains until there is a pool available. Until then, the few miner will squeeze everything out of that coin and this is called something like "INSTAMINING"!


This launch was just like on most altcoins a huge fail.
Either the difficulty had to be adjusted so that everyone has the chance to solve some blocks or you had to setup a pool for the launch.

Let there be no misunderstanding: I am not asking that everyone should already mine >1k coins in the first few hours.
But it's just not ok when a few people own almost all coins from the start because they are the only ones who have a decent chance to solve some blocks.

I'm done with this. Pretty sad because I had some hope in this coin because of its innovative algo.

But maybe it's interesting for the other people to know, what you mean with "fair launch".

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February 13, 2014, 01:09:27 PM
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haha may it's hard to set a pool,but we really need one.

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February 13, 2014, 01:09:58 PM
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any way, really fair launch!

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February 13, 2014, 01:13:37 PM
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any way, really fair launch!

I think so.
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February 13, 2014, 01:21:37 PM
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any way, really fair launch!

Alright... And why do you think, that was a fair launch?



Fair launch:

Since this is a new PoW, it is very hard to define a starting difficulty that avoids instamining. To overcome this and contribute to a fair launch, the first 576 blocks will have no reward and the next 576 will linearly increase and reach the full reward at block 1152, after 4 difficulty adjustments were performed. Besides avoiding instamining, this should allow time for those who want to compile their own clients.
Mining

Okay, so you want to tell us something about a fair launch?

Lets put the facts together:
- The difficulty was insanely high from the start
- There was no mining pool at the beginning
=> People have to solo mine this coin. But because of the extreme difficulty, you can't even solve a block with 50-100 CPUs in reasonable time (~48h).

So, who is the winner of this coin?
=> Just a handful miner / botnet owner who have extreme capacity (> 500 CPUs) to solve the blocks. The do get the FULL reward, whereas miner with decent CPU capacity have nearly no chance to get somethink. This very unfair situation remains until there is a pool available. Until then, the few miner will squeeze everything out of that coin and this is called something like "INSTAMINING"!


This launch was just like on most altcoins a huge fail.
Either the difficulty had to be adjusted so that everyone has the chance to solve some blocks or you had to setup a pool for the launch.

Let there be no misunderstanding: I am not asking that everyone should already mine >1k coins in the first few hours.
But it's just not ok when a few people own almost all coins from the start because they are the only ones who have a decent chance to solve some blocks.

I'm done with this. Pretty sad because I had some hope in this coin because of its innovative algo.

But maybe it's interesting for the other people to know, what you mean with "fair launch".

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February 13, 2014, 01:31:11 PM
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Just because it wasnt easy doesnt mean it wasnt fair.  Everyone had equal opportunity to get blocks.  Some just had more resources to go after them with... life tends to work that way.

The diff, while crazy high, was and may still be below the actual target time of 2.5mins.

There were 100's of thousands of CPUs running by the time the reward blocks started and even at 1 block / minute, there werent a whole lot of blocks to go around.

Check back in the thread - there was someone with 4000 CPUs complaining of not getting blocks.

Your complaint is fundamentally the same as complaint that you cant mine BTC with your laptop.

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So, who is the winner of this coin?
=> Just a handful miner / botnet owner who have extreme capacity (> 500 CPUs) to solve the blocks. The do get the FULL reward, whereas miner with decent CPU capacity have nearly no chance to get somethink. This very unfair situation remains until there is a pool available. Until then, the few miner will squeeze everything out of that coin and this is called something like "INSTAMINING"!

+people who know how to modify/improve miner

Anyway, doesnt seem to be that much interest around this coin due to reasons you listed. Hopefully we get a pool soon so people without thousands of cores can mine this coin also.

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February 13, 2014, 01:41:00 PM
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It's interesting to see how the peoples opinion about fairness vary based on weather they found coins or not. I myself was prepared and throw some 300+ CPU cores for 24h on this coin and  the only blocks I've found were 0 value and 1 with 50 which was orphan. So I'm in the camp of the unlucky peoples with 0 coin.
I think I never complained on this forum about fairness of any coin launch or anything but we must agree that there are grounds for the disappointment of those peoples who found no coins. So I can understand that they  want to express their feelings on this forum and I kind of agree with them.
I don't mind that the big sharks get the majority of the coins. I can respect those who has the money and the guts to buy thousands of server and invest in this coin. The problem here that those who don't have enough resources got almost nothing and has little chance to find anything now.
I think this coin will really discourages the "small/middle" powered miners at least in the current form with the current difficulty.
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February 13, 2014, 01:58:42 PM
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Hi people!

I'm offering support for people who want to set up pools (since I don't have the servers or time to operate a pool myself), but please have some specific questions, not like "how do I set up a pool?"
jh00 from ypool told me he is working on adding support for riecoin. He's making good progress, and looking at the work he did with primecoin he probably won't need my help.

I understand that the lack of pools undermined the fairness of the launch, but that will be corrected.

thank you all

gatra


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February 13, 2014, 02:01:27 PM
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Hi people!

I'm offering support for people who want to set up pools (since I don't have the servers or time to operate a pool myself), but please have some specific questions, not like "how do I set up a pool?"
jh00 from ypool told me he is working on adding support for riecoin. He's making good progress, and looking at the work he did with primecoin he probably won't need my help.

I understand that the lack of pools undermined the fairness of the launch, but that will be corrected.

thank you all

gatra

well for instance you could optimize your CPU miner rminerd more becouse there are some errors in thats wy people cant find coins, for day's now  Wink
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Hi people!

I'm offering support for people who want to set up pools (since I don't have the servers or time to operate a pool myself), but please have some specific questions, not like "how do I set up a pool?"
jh00 from ypool told me he is working on adding support for riecoin. He's making good progress, and looking at the work he did with primecoin he probably won't need my help.

I understand that the lack of pools undermined the fairness of the launch, but that will be corrected.

thank you all

gatra
We need MORE pools and p2pool . 100% hash power in 1 place not good.
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February 13, 2014, 02:05:44 PM
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gatra,
i can offer an amazon instance, i have time to operate and monitor but not much know on setup pool.
if you want to help, i can leave server for you to setup then i can maintance later.


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