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September 03, 2018, 11:01:16 PM
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In fact, not all of them experience losses, maybe only people who sell their assets at very cheap prices suffer losses, but some people will still be able to hold their assets because they do not sell the assets they have at cheap prices.
If you do not sell, you do not lose money and investors just keep the coins you invested so when you reach their target sell new. This is a very simple and effective investment that investors can refer to during this time instead of selling massively at very low prices and accepting losses.

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September 03, 2018, 11:37:55 PM
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I see many folks wanna start trading, have you really what you need to know, your TA, stop loss , reliable source of cryptocurrency market.
Patience is a virtue as it is, I will suggest no to rush in order not to get burnt.
Don't just enter the market and start buying dip, sometimes when you think you have bought the dip, it gets Dipper.
Study the market first, candles and all and you will good in your short trade.
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September 04, 2018, 01:44:06 AM
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In fact, not all of them experience losses, maybe only people who sell their assets at very cheap prices suffer losses, but some people will still be able to hold their assets because they do not sell the assets they have at cheap prices.
Yeah you're right, of course not all traders are stupid people, they can analyze whether prices will go back down or up, and they can take advantage of the situation even when the price falls though, you will understand that when you are experienced and expert, basically not all traders lose when prices go down

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September 04, 2018, 03:38:24 AM
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I think it is good to wait and hold your coins when the market is down and wait till the market recovers, sothat you can have a profit. You need to be patience in holding.
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September 04, 2018, 04:05:17 AM
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Not everyone loses money if you did not hit the pump of the price and you did not sell it yet then you are not loosing money, But if you sell it with the dump price then that is the time that you lose the money that you invested.
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September 04, 2018, 04:32:00 AM
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So with how much bitcoin and all the altcoins are down, is it even possible for any trader to make any money?  Example let say this.  You buy btc at a very low price due to these dips.  Now you could either keep btc or buy altcoins with it.  Now the market goes down every single day.  First off, does anyone know if btc or any altcoins ever have a day where the prices drop every single hour?  Or is that impossible?


Anyways, with how much all the coins are dropping, is it even possible for any trader to make money on days or weeks like this?  Im thinking its only possible if they make sure they sell it at the right hour and minute etc in order to profit.  But of course if they are down almost all day, how is it even possible for anyone to make any money?  Sure when the market goes back up in a while, and the price gets higher than they bought it at and now they sell, the profit.  However, the same ppl who hold the coins will profit as well.


Because doesn't it seem like there is no skill involved at all it seems?  Because if the market is down for a long time, what percentage of traders are even making any money when the market is down?  Of course if you got a coin at like 10 cents a long time ago and then it went to 5 dollars... and now because of this.. its now down to say 1 dollar, well you are still up money if you sell it now.  But the same ppl who got this coin probably got it at over 3 dollars and lost a huge percentage of its value.


So is it true almost everyone loses money when the market is down?  And almost everyone makes money when the market is up?  Because if btc goes up, the alts follow.  BTC drops, everything follows.  Its like there is zero skill at all almost.   Such that yes when it goes up, some altcoins might go up higher than others.  Also why do certain very good altcoins drop when btc drop if that project is very good etc?  Yes i know you need btc to get that coin and vice versa but its like its either everyone wins or everyone loses.


So right now market is down a lot especially for those who bought not that long ago.  So where is the skill here?  Its basically when to sell and when to buy right?  However, when market is down like this, who is damn making any money?  Because isn't almost everyone losing money?  The only ppl that i could see that likes this huge dip are those that have usd/usdt ready and picking when to buy.  Of course they could have waited till btc was 8k and thought great i buy now or buy alts and each of these already lost a lot already.


Who is making any money now when the market is down?  The ppl who are selling?  Surely not since the price they sell now is much less than before.  Also just curious but does this apply to stocks and forex trading as well?  I know that well stock market goes up, doesn't almost all the stocks all go up it seems?  The same can be said of forex or am i wrong here?  I only know forex is money trading with different currencies etc.  Because when you look at other things like poker or sportsbetting... someone is winning and someone is losing.  Also to anyone that bets sports or knows about sports, you might hear how all the wise guys are losing money.  Wise guys are sophisticated sharp bettors that are much smarter than your average joe.   That average joe most likely bets very square picks... meaning like obvious public teams etc.  However, the thing is the public does win.  And when they do that, sportsbook would lose money.  But usually they get it back and the average joe loses it back betting very public plays and the sophisticated bettors aka sharps win again.  However, i heard of sharps having really bad seasons etc.



So based on that, doesn't it seem like crypto trading is basically everyone wins or everyone loses?  Because in sportsbetting, yes the house does win and they house could also have a losing streak.  But eventually they win back the average joes money.  But if the average joe gets lucky and goes on a huge run whether betting favorites or underdogs or whatnot, its possible for him to win for a long time or lose for a long time.  Also let say you have a few players who are sharp sportsbettors and a few average joes.  Well if the sharp guys are winning, most likely the average joes are losing.  If the sharp guys are losing, average joes are most likely winning.  I say this because they usually play opposite plays most of the time.  But no matter what, someone has to win.  Whether its the sportsbook or the bettor.  Also in sportsbetting, there is something called live betting where its like trading.  Basically you can bet on either side while the game is going on when odds change always etc.  But when you live bet, if one player bets this team while another player bets another team... remember each of these players are betting against the sportsbook, one player will win... the other loses.  Thus that is where the skill comes in.  So does anyone here feel like the market dictating winning or losing is just stupid?  I mean if market is down, who is making any money?  Its like ppl say when there is a bull market, everyone thinks they are a genius.  Well if its a bull market, the only thing you have to think about is okay i will buy btc but should i exchange it for altcoin or not and which one.



Anyone here have thoughts or opinions on this?  I got excited about cryptocurrency and trading and wanted to do it.  But now when i look at it, its basically look at the market.  There doesn't seem to be any skill in it.  Can anyone here correct me with any of my statements especially if i made any especially in sportsbetting?  Thanks.
I think not all because you can wait for the price pump and to get a profits . will if yoi have a good strategy you can't loss your profits .buy in a low price then sell I in the high price .

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September 04, 2018, 07:39:34 AM
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Only those people who don't have anymore cryptos in their wallet will not lose any money during market crisis. For those who are keeping cryptos in their wallet, it will be greatly affected during  market crisis because almost all cryptos seem to follow bitcoin's price fluctuations too.

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September 04, 2018, 11:29:53 AM
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yes it can happen if they are affected and they sell the assets they have in a very cheap price condition that will cause them to suffer a lot of losses but if they do not sell it they will not suffer losses.


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September 04, 2018, 11:59:38 AM
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When people are selling their coins when the market is down, then they are surely on the losing end. But if they're holding to it whatever it takes then they haven't lost anything yet. So hold on to it whatever it takes to avoid losses because the market price will recover soon.
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September 04, 2018, 12:06:19 PM
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because it's a self-fault that can't control the panic. the problem is how to overcome the money or loss is waiting and patience when the market again experienced a drastic decline like yesterday

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September 04, 2018, 02:11:15 PM
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No, not everyone losses, some see opportunity when market goes down and make profits. This happens in every market.
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September 04, 2018, 02:19:51 PM
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Yes, right.
When the market conditions are decreasing, there are many people who lose their money.
This happens because when the price of coins is expensive they buy the coin and when the price of the coin goes down they lose their money.
Such is indeed normal because Cryptocurrency is volatile.
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September 04, 2018, 02:38:41 PM
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In fact, not all of them experience losses, maybe only people who sell their assets at very cheap prices suffer losses, but some people will still be able to hold their assets because they do not sell the assets they have at cheap prices.

but if indeed the market is experiencing a decline with conditions like this and for example now when we sell our assets and still get profit, we better sell it, then we will take advantage of time and market conditions allow

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September 04, 2018, 06:00:50 PM
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I learned in this situation that i should sell it when the time comes. There is no need to wait for more time. After a while the price starts to fall and you don't want to sell anymore. Afterwards it comes to a situation that we should sell at the lowest price.

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September 06, 2018, 01:22:02 PM
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People who do not sell coins when prices fall, will not lose their money. And they are very smart people because they don't waste the opportunity to succeed. They know, the market will return to bullish in the near future.
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September 06, 2018, 01:35:36 PM
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So with how much bitcoin and all the altcoins are down, is it even possible for any trader to make any money?  Example let say this.  You buy btc at a very low price due to these dips.  Now you could either keep btc or buy altcoins with it.  Now the market goes down every single day.  First off, does anyone know if btc or any altcoins ever have a day where the prices drop every single hour?  Or is that impossible?


Anyways, with how much all the coins are dropping, is it even possible for any trader to make money on days or weeks like this?  Im thinking its only possible if they make sure they sell it at the right hour and minute etc in order to profit.  But of course if they are down almost all day, how is it even possible for anyone to make any money?  Sure when the market goes back up in a while, and the price gets higher than they bought it at and now they sell, the profit.  However, the same ppl who hold the coins will profit as well.


Because doesn't it seem like there is no skill involved at all it seems?  Because if the market is down for a long time, what percentage of traders are even making any money when the market is down?  Of course if you got a coin at like 10 cents a long time ago and then it went to 5 dollars... and now because of this.. its now down to say 1 dollar, well you are still up money if you sell it now.  But the same ppl who got this coin probably got it at over 3 dollars and lost a huge percentage of its value.


So is it true almost everyone loses money when the market is down?  And almost everyone makes money when the market is up?  Because if btc goes up, the alts follow.  BTC drops, everything follows.  Its like there is zero skill at all almost.   Such that yes when it goes up, some altcoins might go up higher than others.  Also why do certain very good altcoins drop when btc drop if that project is very good etc?  Yes i know you need btc to get that coin and vice versa but its like its either everyone wins or everyone loses.


So right now market is down a lot especially for those who bought not that long ago.  So where is the skill here?  Its basically when to sell and when to buy right?  However, when market is down like this, who is damn making any money?  Because isn't almost everyone losing money?  The only ppl that i could see that likes this huge dip are those that have usd/usdt ready and picking when to buy.  Of course they could have waited till btc was 8k and thought great i buy now or buy alts and each of these already lost a lot already.


Who is making any money now when the market is down?  The ppl who are selling?  Surely not since the price they sell now is much less than before.  Also just curious but does this apply to stocks and forex trading as well?  I know that well stock market goes up, doesn't almost all the stocks all go up it seems?  The same can be said of forex or am i wrong here?  I only know forex is money trading with different currencies etc.  Because when you look at other things like poker or sportsbetting... someone is winning and someone is losing.  Also to anyone that bets sports or knows about sports, you might hear how all the wise guys are losing money.  Wise guys are sophisticated sharp bettors that are much smarter than your average joe.   That average joe most likely bets very square picks... meaning like obvious public teams etc.  However, the thing is the public does win.  And when they do that, sportsbook would lose money.  But usually they get it back and the average joe loses it back betting very public plays and the sophisticated bettors aka sharps win again.  However, i heard of sharps having really bad seasons etc.



So based on that, doesn't it seem like crypto trading is basically everyone wins or everyone loses?  Because in sportsbetting, yes the house does win and they house could also have a losing streak.  But eventually they win back the average joes money.  But if the average joe gets lucky and goes on a huge run whether betting favorites or underdogs or whatnot, its possible for him to win for a long time or lose for a long time.  Also let say you have a few players who are sharp sportsbettors and a few average joes.  Well if the sharp guys are winning, most likely the average joes are losing.  If the sharp guys are losing, average joes are most likely winning.  I say this because they usually play opposite plays most of the time.  But no matter what, someone has to win.  Whether its the sportsbook or the bettor.  Also in sportsbetting, there is something called live betting where its like trading.  Basically you can bet on either side while the game is going on when odds change always etc.  But when you live bet, if one player bets this team while another player bets another team... remember each of these players are betting against the sportsbook, one player will win... the other loses.  Thus that is where the skill comes in.  So does anyone here feel like the market dictating winning or losing is just stupid?  I mean if market is down, who is making any money?  Its like ppl say when there is a bull market, everyone thinks they are a genius.  Well if its a bull market, the only thing you have to think about is okay i will buy btc but should i exchange it for altcoin or not and which one.



Anyone here have thoughts or opinions on this?  I got excited about cryptocurrency and trading and wanted to do it.  But now when i look at it, its basically look at the market.  There doesn't seem to be any skill in it.  Can anyone here correct me with any of my statements especially if i made any especially in sportsbetting?  Thanks.
People that still hold never lose this is always crypto people tell us but the thing is we didn't know when our emotion can strike and it make us doubt sometimes and feel depress on it and some of us sell it because they are afraid that the price wont come up again.

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September 06, 2018, 02:07:04 PM
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I learned in this situation that i should sell it when the time comes. There is no need to wait for more time. After a while the price starts to fall and you don't want to sell anymore. Afterwards it comes to a situation that we should sell at the lowest price.
Whenever I have the opportunity to sell my coin in a good value I am definitely grabbed it. It is true that there's no need to wait for more time when you know that the world of crypto market is inconsistent and this would vary anytime that's why I wouldn't want to missed this kind of opportunity.


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September 06, 2018, 02:14:10 PM
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This is not necessarily true. There is a lot of profit taking when the market goes down as this will be an opportunity for them to buy large amounts of money at very low prices.
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September 06, 2018, 03:53:14 PM
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Although Bitcoin may increase by several hundred million dollars a year, it should not blindly invest in this virtual currency. Anything that fluctuates 20-30% in a day is unstable. Therefore, investing in Bitcoin can lost all your possessions or you may be able to make a million dollars from it.

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September 07, 2018, 05:42:16 AM
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Not everyone in my opinion. I've seen some traders switch their coins to USDT after every time that they're earned profit.
This is a good way if the market is down, opposite term it's very very bad.
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