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September 08, 2018, 01:19:18 AM
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In fact, not all of them experience losses, maybe only people who sell their assets at very cheap prices suffer losses, but some people will still be able to hold their assets because they do not sell the assets they have at cheap prices.
This is something that people forget, you do not lose money until to sell your coins, when the market is down you only have potential losses it is not only until you actually sell when those losses materialize, so as you can see it doesn't make a lot of sense to sell your coins but still people are not acting in a rational way when they do that because they are afraid that the coins in which they invested go to zero.
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September 08, 2018, 01:25:10 AM
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Not everyone, people who doesn't analyze the market will encounter loss. In detail on analysis it is possible to find whether the price fall will continue or will get stopped. Based on this it is good to go with further buying or selling, this way can stay away from losses even when the market is down. Other options were trading and holding for the price pump.
some of them are really panicked so they sell their bitcoins whether it's just a few or even everything. A very risky mistake when this happened even though it was enough with patience, holding it back until the price actually recovered.
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September 08, 2018, 01:36:59 AM
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So with how much bitcoin and all the altcoins are down, is it even possible for any trader to make any money?  Example let say this.  You buy btc at a very low price due to these dips.  Now you could either keep btc or buy altcoins with it.  Now the market goes down every single day.  First off, does anyone know if btc or any altcoins ever have a day where the prices drop every single hour?  Or is that impossible?


Anyways, with how much all the coins are dropping, is it even possible for any trader to make money on days or weeks like this?  Im thinking its only possible if they make sure they sell it at the right hour and minute etc in order to profit.  But of course if they are down almost all day, how is it even possible for anyone to make any money?  Sure when the market goes back up in a while, and the price gets higher than they bought it at and now they sell, the profit.  However, the same ppl who hold the coins will profit as well.


Because doesn't it seem like there is no skill involved at all it seems?  Because if the market is down for a long time, what percentage of traders are even making any money when the market is down?  Of course if you got a coin at like 10 cents a long time ago and then it went to 5 dollars... and now because of this.. its now down to say 1 dollar, well you are still up money if you sell it now.  But the same ppl who got this coin probably got it at over 3 dollars and lost a huge percentage of its value.


So is it true almost everyone loses money when the market is down?  And almost everyone makes money when the market is up?  Because if btc goes up, the alts follow.  BTC drops, everything follows.  Its like there is zero skill at all almost.   Such that yes when it goes up, some altcoins might go up higher than others.  Also why do certain very good altcoins drop when btc drop if that project is very good etc?  Yes i know you need btc to get that coin and vice versa but its like its either everyone wins or everyone loses.


So right now market is down a lot especially for those who bought not that long ago.  So where is the skill here?  Its basically when to sell and when to buy right?  However, when market is down like this, who is damn making any money?  Because isn't almost everyone losing money?  The only ppl that i could see that likes this huge dip are those that have usd/usdt ready and picking when to buy.  Of course they could have waited till btc was 8k and thought great i buy now or buy alts and each of these already lost a lot already.


Who is making any money now when the market is down?  The ppl who are selling?  Surely not since the price they sell now is much less than before.  Also just curious but does this apply to stocks and forex trading as well?  I know that well stock market goes up, doesn't almost all the stocks all go up it seems?  The same can be said of forex or am i wrong here?  I only know forex is money trading with different currencies etc.  Because when you look at other things like poker or sportsbetting... someone is winning and someone is losing.  Also to anyone that bets sports or knows about sports, you might hear how all the wise guys are losing money.  Wise guys are sophisticated sharp bettors that are much smarter than your average joe.   That average joe most likely bets very square picks... meaning like obvious public teams etc.  However, the thing is the public does win.  And when they do that, sportsbook would lose money.  But usually they get it back and the average joe loses it back betting very public plays and the sophisticated bettors aka sharps win again.  However, i heard of sharps having really bad seasons etc.



So based on that, doesn't it seem like crypto trading is basically everyone wins or everyone loses?  Because in sportsbetting, yes the house does win and they house could also have a losing streak.  But eventually they win back the average joes money.  But if the average joe gets lucky and goes on a huge run whether betting favorites or underdogs or whatnot, its possible for him to win for a long time or lose for a long time.  Also let say you have a few players who are sharp sportsbettors and a few average joes.  Well if the sharp guys are winning, most likely the average joes are losing.  If the sharp guys are losing, average joes are most likely winning.  I say this because they usually play opposite plays most of the time.  But no matter what, someone has to win.  Whether its the sportsbook or the bettor.  Also in sportsbetting, there is something called live betting where its like trading.  Basically you can bet on either side while the game is going on when odds change always etc.  But when you live bet, if one player bets this team while another player bets another team... remember each of these players are betting against the sportsbook, one player will win... the other loses.  Thus that is where the skill comes in.  So does anyone here feel like the market dictating winning or losing is just stupid?  I mean if market is down, who is making any money?  Its like ppl say when there is a bull market, everyone thinks they are a genius.  Well if its a bull market, the only thing you have to think about is okay i will buy btc but should i exchange it for altcoin or not and which one.



Anyone here have thoughts or opinions on this?  I got excited about cryptocurrency and trading and wanted to do it.  But now when i look at it, its basically look at the market.  There doesn't seem to be any skill in it.  Can anyone here correct me with any of my statements especially if i made any especially in sportsbetting?  Thanks.


When everything is going down well its best to HODL! If you dont feel pretty confident on trading on a daily basis HODL will secure the mark to gain more profits when bull market starts. Its just a matter of analysis and decision making during hard times. If you feel safe to trade then go ahead buy them back later to save yourself from losing. Not everyone is losing when market is down and you should appreciate it to fill your bags and thank me later.
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September 08, 2018, 01:55:42 AM
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Only those people who bought cryptos in its all time high is really loosing their money. Down market does not mean all people lose their money. In fact there are some people who are buying cryptos in this down market.
Dont need to buy when ATH to be lose, even before the price decreases if they have already bought and the price decreases,
of course they can lose if they do panic selling. so be careful in determining when the right time to buy. do good analysis and research first

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September 08, 2018, 01:56:57 AM
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Not really. Because there are some people who hold USDT a lot and he will wait when the market goes down to buy more altcoins. I have been implementing that strategy and it works pretty well. It does not bring much profit but I am satisfied with what I have now.

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September 08, 2018, 06:28:12 AM
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when the market is going down we should not sell the coins no matter how low the coins are if loose money only when we sell the coins at low price and panic selling
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September 08, 2018, 07:17:20 AM
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I don't think everyone loses money when market prices drop. Some people who panic and sell their bitcoin when prices are down do lose a lot of money. But many also hold on to bitcoin when market prices fall and wait until the market price go up because they don't want to lose a lot of money but to get lots of profits.
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September 08, 2018, 08:05:50 AM
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So with how much bitcoin and all the altcoins are down, is it even possible for any trader to make any money?  Example let say this.  You buy btc at a very low price due to these dips.  Now you could either keep btc or buy altcoins with it.  Now the market goes down every single day.  First off, does anyone know if btc or any altcoins ever have a day where the prices drop every single hour?  Or is that impossible?


Anyways, with how much all the coins are dropping, is it even possible for any trader to make money on days or weeks like this?  Im thinking its only possible if they make sure they sell it at the right hour and minute etc in order to profit.  But of course if they are down almost all day, how is it even possible for anyone to make any money?  Sure when the market goes back up in a while, and the price gets higher than they bought it at and now they sell, the profit.  However, the same ppl who hold the coins will profit as well.


Because doesn't it seem like there is no skill involved at all it seems?  Because if the market is down for a long time, what percentage of traders are even making any money when the market is down?  Of course if you got a coin at like 10 cents a long time ago and then it went to 5 dollars... and now because of this.. its now down to say 1 dollar, well you are still up money if you sell it now.  But the same ppl who got this coin probably got it at over 3 dollars and lost a huge percentage of its value.


So is it true almost everyone loses money when the market is down?  And almost everyone makes money when the market is up?  Because if btc goes up, the alts follow.  BTC drops, everything follows.  Its like there is zero skill at all almost.   Such that yes when it goes up, some altcoins might go up higher than others.  Also why do certain very good altcoins drop when btc drop if that project is very good etc?  Yes i know you need btc to get that coin and vice versa but its like its either everyone wins or everyone loses.


So right now market is down a lot especially for those who bought not that long ago.  So where is the skill here?  Its basically when to sell and when to buy right?  However, when market is down like this, who is damn making any money?  Because isn't almost everyone losing money?  The only ppl that i could see that likes this huge dip are those that have usd/usdt ready and picking when to buy.  Of course they could have waited till btc was 8k and thought great i buy now or buy alts and each of these already lost a lot already.


Who is making any money now when the market is down?  The ppl who are selling?  Surely not since the price they sell now is much less than before.  Also just curious but does this apply to stocks and forex trading as well?  I know that well stock market goes up, doesn't almost all the stocks all go up it seems?  The same can be said of forex or am i wrong here?  I only know forex is money trading with different currencies etc.  Because when you look at other things like poker or sportsbetting... someone is winning and someone is losing.  Also to anyone that bets sports or knows about sports, you might hear how all the wise guys are losing money.  Wise guys are sophisticated sharp bettors that are much smarter than your average joe.   That average joe most likely bets very square picks... meaning like obvious public teams etc.  However, the thing is the public does win.  And when they do that, sportsbook would lose money.  But usually they get it back and the average joe loses it back betting very public plays and the sophisticated bettors aka sharps win again.  However, i heard of sharps having really bad seasons etc.



So based on that, doesn't it seem like crypto trading is basically everyone wins or everyone loses?  Because in sportsbetting, yes the house does win and they house could also have a losing streak.  But eventually they win back the average joes money.  But if the average joe gets lucky and goes on a huge run whether betting favorites or underdogs or whatnot, its possible for him to win for a long time or lose for a long time.  Also let say you have a few players who are sharp sportsbettors and a few average joes.  Well if the sharp guys are winning, most likely the average joes are losing.  If the sharp guys are losing, average joes are most likely winning.  I say this because they usually play opposite plays most of the time.  But no matter what, someone has to win.  Whether its the sportsbook or the bettor.  Also in sportsbetting, there is something called live betting where its like trading.  Basically you can bet on either side while the game is going on when odds change always etc.  But when you live bet, if one player bets this team while another player bets another team... remember each of these players are betting against the sportsbook, one player will win... the other loses.  Thus that is where the skill comes in.  So does anyone here feel like the market dictating winning or losing is just stupid?  I mean if market is down, who is making any money?  Its like ppl say when there is a bull market, everyone thinks they are a genius.  Well if its a bull market, the only thing you have to think about is okay i will buy btc but should i exchange it for altcoin or not and which one.



Anyone here have thoughts or opinions on this?  I got excited about cryptocurrency and trading and wanted to do it.  But now when i look at it, its basically look at the market.  There doesn't seem to be any skill in it.  Can anyone here correct me with any of my statements especially if i made any especially in sportsbetting?  Thanks.
When the price is down it only affects those that were caught up with the fall, but for those who were fast enough to get off the market before it happens, it has nothing on them. And as for whether people earns money when the price is down, well they do… in fact a lot of people do and they have their ways of doing so.

There are groups that would prefer to be regularly pumping and dumping the coin to make little profit before the main bull market comes and there are also those who rely on trading.

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September 08, 2018, 09:07:14 AM
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I don't think it is right to use the term "everyone", and what do you mean
by the market is down? do you mean by the major coins? because if the major coins
are down then some alts are pumping.
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September 09, 2018, 03:50:56 PM
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Some right. But we can’t make you 100% right about. Because there is little chance for make profit though market is down. Think about day trading. Every hour up and down is very simple in this field. Though market goes down regularly or a regular basis but we can make profit. If you think about long term then it’s ok. It is so hard to make profit from a down market. If you buy in a low rate then if tomorrow it goes more low then how can you make profit?   
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September 09, 2018, 04:11:38 PM
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I may not necessarily entirely point out sure result in several when us all nonetheless getting even though the other folks are usually shedding at the same time. We realize in which largely individuals who have damage now are usually those who find themselves fresh on earth regarding crypto and several make the most about it getting their particular money inside low-cost.
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September 09, 2018, 07:57:44 PM
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It is very clear that everyone loses money when the market is down because when prices goes down, prices of commodities goes down as well and investors tend to see their portfolio diminish
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September 09, 2018, 09:10:12 PM
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Remember the rule "if somebody loses that somebody gains". You may also be a "bear" and make a bet on the further market falling by selling any assets which are available for a short sells. Just be careful because short positions are much more dangerous than long ones. Generally I would not open short positions when market is so low it needed to do it earlier.
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Basically it's their wrong perceptions that the downtrend of crypto price could lose every trader's money. But for me now the whole scenario about crypto price declination, was an opportunity for us in order to buy at cheaper prices and eventually take much higher profit after all in the future.

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September 09, 2018, 09:31:30 PM
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Not only investors who usually book income on upward thrust as they have got bought in low and they know that now the market might be going to accurate and that they promote off and now in low, they buy lower back. it's far quite simple concept of the market that it always goes up and down so whoever is shopping for in low whenever you notice income just e-book it. Even a few investors realize internal info of a few coins so that they simply promote of and buy lower back in low.

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So with how much bitcoin and all the altcoins are down, is it even possible for any trader to make any money?  Example let say this.  You buy btc at a very low price due to these dips.  Now you could either keep btc or buy altcoins with it.  Now the market goes down every single day.  First off, does anyone know if btc or any altcoins ever have a day where the prices drop every single hour?  Or is that impossible?


Anyways, with how much all the coins are dropping, is it even possible for any trader to make money on days or weeks like this?  Im thinking its only possible if they make sure they sell it at the right hour and minute etc in order to profit.  But of course if they are down almost all day, how is it even possible for anyone to make any money?  Sure when the market goes back up in a while, and the price gets higher than they bought it at and now they sell, the profit.  However, the same ppl who hold the coins will profit as well.


Because doesn't it seem like there is no skill involved at all it seems?  Because if the market is down for a long time, what percentage of traders are even making any money when the market is down?  Of course if you got a coin at like 10 cents a long time ago and then it went to 5 dollars... and now because of this.. its now down to say 1 dollar, well you are still up money if you sell it now.  But the same ppl who got this coin probably got it at over 3 dollars and lost a huge percentage of its value.


So is it true almost everyone loses money when the market is down?  And almost everyone makes money when the market is up?  Because if btc goes up, the alts follow.  BTC drops, everything follows.  Its like there is zero skill at all almost.   Such that yes when it goes up, some altcoins might go up higher than others.  Also why do certain very good altcoins drop when btc drop if that project is very good etc?  Yes i know you need btc to get that coin and vice versa but its like its either everyone wins or everyone loses.


So right now market is down a lot especially for those who bought not that long ago.  So where is the skill here?  Its basically when to sell and when to buy right?  However, when market is down like this, who is damn making any money?  Because isn't almost everyone losing money?  The only ppl that i could see that likes this huge dip are those that have usd/usdt ready and picking when to buy.  Of course they could have waited till btc was 8k and thought great i buy now or buy alts and each of these already lost a lot already.


Who is making any money now when the market is down?  The ppl who are selling?  Surely not since the price they sell now is much less than before.  Also just curious but does this apply to stocks and forex trading as well?  I know that well stock market goes up, doesn't almost all the stocks all go up it seems?  The same can be said of forex or am i wrong here?  I only know forex is money trading with different currencies etc.  Because when you look at other things like poker or sportsbetting... someone is winning and someone is losing.  Also to anyone that bets sports or knows about sports, you might hear how all the wise guys are losing money.  Wise guys are sophisticated sharp bettors that are much smarter than your average joe.   That average joe most likely bets very square picks... meaning like obvious public teams etc.  However, the thing is the public does win.  And when they do that, sportsbook would lose money.  But usually they get it back and the average joe loses it back betting very public plays and the sophisticated bettors aka sharps win again.  However, i heard of sharps having really bad seasons etc.



So based on that, doesn't it seem like crypto trading is basically everyone wins or everyone loses?  Because in sportsbetting, yes the house does win and they house could also have a losing streak.  But eventually they win back the average joes money.  But if the average joe gets lucky and goes on a huge run whether betting favorites or underdogs or whatnot, its possible for him to win for a long time or lose for a long time.  Also let say you have a few players who are sharp sportsbettors and a few average joes.  Well if the sharp guys are winning, most likely the average joes are losing.  If the sharp guys are losing, average joes are most likely winning.  I say this because they usually play opposite plays most of the time.  But no matter what, someone has to win.  Whether its the sportsbook or the bettor.  Also in sportsbetting, there is something called live betting where its like trading.  Basically you can bet on either side while the game is going on when odds change always etc.  But when you live bet, if one player bets this team while another player bets another team... remember each of these players are betting against the sportsbook, one player will win... the other loses.  Thus that is where the skill comes in.  So does anyone here feel like the market dictating winning or losing is just stupid?  I mean if market is down, who is making any money?  Its like ppl say when there is a bull market, everyone thinks they are a genius.  Well if its a bull market, the only thing you have to think about is okay i will buy btc but should i exchange it for altcoin or not and which one.



Anyone here have thoughts or opinions on this?  I got excited about cryptocurrency and trading and wanted to do it.  But now when i look at it, its basically look at the market.  There doesn't seem to be any skill in it.  Can anyone here correct me with any of my statements especially if i made any especially in sportsbetting?  Thanks.

There have been a lot of good answers already for your question, so I'll try to keep it short. When market dips, this is where traders start to play out their strategies, not those that seek simple exchange (even they can profit actually). In trading, when opening an order, you can set your own prices as limits. Bitcoin and altcoins all fluctuate and their dip is not a straight-lined either.
You have numerous ups and downs during this time, so you capitalize on them. And trust me, these can be quite large as well, going by 10% even. What makes a good trader is the capability to guess exactly when such jumps occur. You then set out take-profit and stop-loss limits and push "sell" order.
If you guessed it right, through fundamental and technical analysis (more on them here https://www.cryptocointrade.com/education/), you can earn a quick and small profit, platform trade fees included. You make several day trades and voila! You've earned a modest profit, even when the market falls down!
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September 09, 2018, 10:24:37 PM
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Not everyone looses their money in this down market. Some people are waiting for this time to happen so they can buy some good alts at lower price. And if the market recover one thing is for sure they get some huge payout. Although it is very risky.

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September 09, 2018, 11:45:19 PM
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We can say everyone is losing if we sell our coins today, but if you are still in the way of holding tight, you can prevent it.
We also put into consideration that we never expect such long bearish trend and for the tired of waiting, we might end up of holding and sell our coins even we knew that we are still losing. Diversifying our investment will help us for the fast recovery of our losses and make some gains in a long run.

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September 10, 2018, 05:41:36 AM
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That's not exactly true, there are ways to make profits in a bearish trend.
Arbitrage trading is a strategy that works in any market.
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September 10, 2018, 07:13:29 AM
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The state of a market that has decreased prices can trigger a person to lose money because the value of market prices has decreased in price.
Someone buys coins at a high price and when the market conditions fall in price it will make the price of the coin fall in value.
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