Everyone loses money when the market is down right?

[qmclak]

Not everyone  some they might gain from satoshi but lost in USD value , that's why some traders want to cut their losses when it's triggered the closing point.

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[Victorycoin]

In general - yes, some people make profit by shorting BTC, staking and masternodes rewards

All time trader can make profit but not by all trader on bullish market can make profit and on the same trader may make profit on bearish market. It depends on the coin you are taking.

[stadus]

In general - yes, some people make profit by shorting BTC, staking and masternodes rewards

All time trader can make profit but not by all trader on bullish market can make profit and on the same trader may make profit on bearish market. It depends on the coin you are taking.

Traders who are good in trading, would already unload their coins when they see a big dump is coming, and then they will accumulate when price was oversold. There is no dump in the market that is consistent, it recovers and every pump and dump is just an opportunity for traders to make money.
Buying at dip and selling at pick is a good strategy, it will never make you complain if the market is volatile as you can take advantage on it.

[Mrengage]

So with how much bitcoin and all the altcoins are down, is it even possible for any trader to make any money?  Example let say this.  You buy btc at a very low price due to these dips.  Now you could either keep btc or buy altcoins with it.  Now the market goes down every single day.  First off, does anyone know if btc or any altcoins ever have a day where the prices drop every single hour?  Or is that impossible?


Anyways, with how much all the coins are dropping, is it even possible for any trader to make money on days or weeks like this?  Im thinking its only possible if they make sure they sell it at the right hour and minute etc in order to profit.  But of course if they are down almost all day, how is it even possible for anyone to make any money?  Sure when the market goes back up in a while, and the price gets higher than they bought it at and now they sell, the profit.  However, the same ppl who hold the coins will profit as well.


Because doesn't it seem like there is no skill involved at all it seems?  Because if the market is down for a long time, what percentage of traders are even making any money when the market is down?  Of course if you got a coin at like 10 cents a long time ago and then it went to 5 dollars... and now because of this.. its now down to say 1 dollar, well you are still up money if you sell it now.  But the same ppl who got this coin probably got it at over 3 dollars and lost a huge percentage of its value.


So is it true almost everyone loses money when the market is down?  And almost everyone makes money when the market is up?  Because if btc goes up, the alts follow.  BTC drops, everything follows.  Its like there is zero skill at all almost.   Such that yes when it goes up, some altcoins might go up higher than others.  Also why do certain very good altcoins drop when btc drop if that project is very good etc?  Yes i know you need btc to get that coin and vice versa but its like its either everyone wins or everyone loses.


So right now market is down a lot especially for those who bought not that long ago.  So where is the skill here?  Its basically when to sell and when to buy right?  However, when market is down like this, who is damn making any money?  Because isn't almost everyone losing money?  The only ppl that i could see that likes this huge dip are those that have usd/usdt ready and picking when to buy.  Of course they could have waited till btc was 8k and thought great i buy now or buy alts and each of these already lost a lot already.


Who is making any money now when the market is down?  The ppl who are selling?  Surely not since the price they sell now is much less than before.  Also just curious but does this apply to stocks and forex trading as well?  I know that well stock market goes up, doesn't almost all the stocks all go up it seems?  The same can be said of forex or am i wrong here?  I only know forex is money trading with different currencies etc.  Because when you look at other things like poker or sportsbetting... someone is winning and someone is losing.  Also to anyone that bets sports or knows about sports, you might hear how all the wise guys are losing money.  Wise guys are sophisticated sharp bettors that are much smarter than your average joe.   That average joe most likely bets very square picks... meaning like obvious public teams etc.  However, the thing is the public does win.  And when they do that, sportsbook would lose money.  But usually they get it back and the average joe loses it back betting very public plays and the sophisticated bettors aka sharps win again.  However, i heard of sharps having really bad seasons etc.



So based on that, doesn't it seem like crypto trading is basically everyone wins or everyone loses?  Because in sportsbetting, yes the house does win and they house could also have a losing streak.  But eventually they win back the average joes money.  But if the average joe gets lucky and goes on a huge run whether betting favorites or underdogs or whatnot, its possible for him to win for a long time or lose for a long time.  Also let say you have a few players who are sharp sportsbettors and a few average joes.  Well if the sharp guys are winning, most likely the average joes are losing.  If the sharp guys are losing, average joes are most likely winning.  I say this because they usually play opposite plays most of the time.  But no matter what, someone has to win.  Whether its the sportsbook or the bettor.  Also in sportsbetting, there is something called live betting where its like trading.  Basically you can bet on either side while the game is going on when odds change always etc.  But when you live bet, if one player bets this team while another player bets another team... remember each of these players are betting against the sportsbook, one player will win... the other loses.  Thus that is where the skill comes in.  So does anyone here feel like the market dictating winning or losing is just stupid?  I mean if market is down, who is making any money?  Its like ppl say when there is a bull market, everyone thinks they are a genius.  Well if its a bull market, the only thing you have to think about is okay i will buy btc but should i exchange it for altcoin or not and which one.



Anyone here have thoughts or opinions on this?  I got excited about cryptocurrency and trading and wanted to do it.  But now when i look at it, its basically look at the market.  There doesn't seem to be any skill in it.  Can anyone here correct me with any of my statements especially if i made any especially in sportsbetting?  Thanks.

Everyone can't loose money, when the market is down, we have other techniques add into trading just like the Margin Trading many traders many use of this aspects to make money while the Market is crashing.

[traderethereum]

Not everyone  some they might gain from satoshi but lost in USD value , that's why some traders want to cut their losses when it's triggered the closing point.

Although they are lost in USDT, they could recover their losses and that only happen if they don't sell the coins in the downtime and only hold the coin until the price can increase.
But many of us don't see a hope for the coin and only make a short decision to sell the coin while the price is not going down for more.
That will be a mistake for them because if they realize that the coin will increase after the fall, they will not sell the coin and only waiting the time to make a profit again, but it will only for the potential coin only.
The rest coin will stay at the market and only waiting for the best time to follow the increase.

[Victorycoin]

In general - yes, some people make profit by shorting BTC, staking and masternodes rewards

All time trader can make profit but not by all trader on bullish market can make profit and on the same trader may make profit on bearish market. It depends on the coin you are taking.

Traders who are good in trading, would already unload their coins when they see a big dump is coming, and then they will accumulate when price was oversold. There is no dump in the market that is consistent, it recovers and every pump and dump is just an opportunity for traders to make money.
Buying at dip and selling at pick is a good strategy, it will never make you complain if the market is volatile as you can take advantage on it.

I am not against this point and on the contrary I am on the same point of you the advance trader who is an expert always will unload which it reaches to its highest price for that time and may buy again when it price goes down for that time.

[Pamadar]

In general - yes, some people make profit by shorting BTC, staking and masternodes rewards

All time trader can make profit but not by all trader on bullish market can make profit and on the same trader may make profit on bearish market. It depends on the coin you are taking.

Traders who are good in trading, would already unload their coins when they see a big dump is coming, and then they will accumulate when price was oversold. There is no dump in the market that is consistent, it recovers and every pump and dump is just an opportunity for traders to make money.
Buying at dip and selling at pick is a good strategy, it will never make you complain if the market is volatile as you can take advantage on it.

I am not against this point and on the contrary I am on the same point of you the advance trader who is an expert always will unload which it reaches to its highest price for that time and may buy again when it price goes down for that time.

That's what we called smart investing, knowing when to let your assets go when big dumped is approaching ahead and accumulate once again when price already reached the bottom,you can buy it back and wait for the cycle, time will come and the value will rises up again, if you can work with that, then there's no bearish nor bullish as every time is an opportunities for you to earned.

[jhonjhon]

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Everyone can't loose money, when the market is down, we have other techniques add into trading just like the Margin Trading many traders many use of this aspects to make money while the Market is crashing.

But in most cases, dropping of price will cause losses to some traders. I know margin trading aren't used for small traders, that is why they'll fall into losing when prices unexpectedly drop off. Losses is normal in trading and no strategies that could help us for not caught into this, only we need to be prepared and never think of negative cause prices will rise up again soon.

[Xampeuu]

~snip...

Everyone can't loose money, when the market is down, we have other techniques add into trading just like the Margin Trading many traders many use of this aspects to make money while the Market is crashing.

But in most cases, dropping of price will cause losses to some traders. I know margin trading aren't used for small traders, that is why they'll fall into losing when prices unexpectedly drop off. Losses is normal in trading and no strategies that could help us for not caught into this, only we need to be prepared and never think of negative cause prices will rise up again soon.

I think we have to be patient with the market, calm when prices go up or prices go down are very necessary. indeed when prices drop some people suffer losses, but some others enjoy profits

[Aivaryamal]

When the market goes down, on the contrary, I buy even more assets and play for a decrease, it helps to increase the deposit and trade more often

[lovesybitz]

When the market was down, majority of the community are worried, but some are not due to it is a good opportunity for them
to take chance to get big profit in the near future, when its price bounce again. You would get loss only if you will become neglectful in selling
the coins you hold.

[superstarbtc]

When the market goes down, everyone will lose money and that is not a problem because you can still hold it back when the market goes down.
and only fools who sell it when prices go down, go down or go up in a market situation have become commonplace.
when the market goes down it is an opportunity to buy it then hold to wait for prices to rise again.

Not all loses the money if you are a margin trader. Not all is a normal trader or an altcoin trader here. Some here knows how to swing trades or even margin trades. Bull or bear market, you can take is us an opportunity and will still become profitable. Just collect what you need to learn and you'll doing well in trading.

Many people who have a very good experience will not lose much money because they will go for margin trading, will keep selling order at the lower price in order to restrict themselves instead of losing higher amounts. So most of the experience will do margin trading in order to gain profit with a sudden increase in the market.

[MiF]

When the market was down, majority of the community are worried, but some are not due to it is a good opportunity for them
to take chance to get big profit in the near future, when its price bounce again. You would get loss only if you will become neglectful in selling
the coins you hold.

Other people who has more desire to buy digital asset will be happy when there's a market downfall. Sometimes some of the traders who seem to hold for a long time will be worrying when there's a market downfall, but it depends on them if they sell their holdings early. Some losses funds but eventually recover in the future.

[Barbut]

When market reach top some people sell! The ones who sell on top dont lose money when market start collapsing, they have their money in dollars or some stable coin, and they keep their value. When market reach bottom, these people are now buying with discount. Its trading, its how you trade, theoretically its easy, anyone can do it. But when you involve different factors you will see that its not easy to catch top or bottom, you dont know when will something happen, you need to try to find out.
Holding is one thing, trading other, dont mix those two things. Is it better to hold or trade depends from your set of skills, its not hard to do both if you are skilled.

[calya]

When the market was down, majority of the community are worried, but some are not due to it is a good opportunity for them
to take chance to get big profit in the near future, when its price bounce again. You would get loss only if you will become neglectful in selling
the coins you hold.

Other people who has more desire to buy digital asset will be happy when there's a market downfall. Sometimes some of the traders who seem to hold for a long time will be worrying when there's a market downfall, but it depends on them if they sell their holdings early. Some losses funds but eventually recover in the future.

as long as they still hold their asset in bearish movement , they will not loss their money.market downfall could be opportunity for some speculators.and usually they wait this moment.

[Kiweikoo]

~snip...

Everyone can't loose money, when the market is down, we have other techniques add into trading just like the Margin Trading many traders many use of this aspects to make money while the Market is crashing.

But in most cases, dropping of price will cause losses to some traders. I know margin trading aren't used for small traders, that is why they'll fall into losing when prices unexpectedly drop off. Losses is normal in trading and no strategies that could help us for not caught into this, only we need to be prepared and never think of negative cause prices will rise up again soon.

It is not necessary to face with certain loss when the market is down right. That time you have to focus on building your crypto cloud collection because it will help you 10x your profit especially if you hold Bitcoins. Avoid selling when the market price is down so that you may not face with any certain amount of loss. Whether your coins value is low and is less in quantity or not you have to hold it till bulls market.

[samycoin]

I think not all are totally losing money in trading in crypto especially people that know how to handle everything in trading and knows how to manage it. I think you can't lose money you look the market chart how and when it goes. Every traders and investors knows their limit and so they know too when they feel that they are near to lose everything.

[Victorycoin]

In general - yes, some people make profit by shorting BTC, staking and masternodes rewards

All time trader can make profit but not by all trader on bullish market can make profit and on the same trader may make profit on bearish market. It depends on the coin you are taking.

Traders who are good in trading, would already unload their coins when they see a big dump is coming, and then they will accumulate when price was oversold. There is no dump in the market that is consistent, it recovers and every pump and dump is just an opportunity for traders to make money.
Buying at dip and selling at pick is a good strategy, it will never make you complain if the market is volatile as you can take advantage on it.

I am not against this point and on the contrary I am on the same point of you the advance trader who is an expert always will unload which it reaches to its highest price for that time and may buy again when it price goes down for that time.

That's what we called smart investing, knowing when to let your assets go when big dumped is approaching ahead and accumulate once again when price already reached the bottom,you can buy it back and wait for the cycle, time will come and the value will rises up again, if you can work with that, then there's no bearish nor bullish as every time is an opportunities for you to earned.

You are right, on the bear market only smart investment can take profit. But in the bear market it is difficult to understand the bottom price of the coin a lot of coin which create multiple new lower level. For example MFT which created multiple newer lower level.

[CryptoPowerL]

When some lose money, others earn their losses. If you earned on cryptocurrency, then someone lost this money.

[Genamant]

i think not everyone losses , some might be able to put stop limit to control their lost
and then ables them to  buy on the lower price makes them recover their lost in a matter of time
when you loss in your trade its okay to sacrifice minimal percentage of your fund instead of being stuck
and eventually lose 100% on the process of just waiting