As snipsnoop pointed out I'm on EST and as noted in my update I'm at work- I don't work the kind of job that I can just be on forums all day, I gotta actually produce code and manage people, so thats why from 9a-9p EST I'm pretty much MIA. That is not fair for Kittehcoin IMO. The lead should be more accessible.
Now, onto these complaints from bagholders
that are in the EXACT same position as the entire dev team, except they haven't contributed hundreds (thousands cumulative) of free man hours to this effort-shmigs.
The main problem for the devs has been that bagholders have donated very little to push the coin forward.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=448003.msg6220629#msg6220629It seems most were just happy to sit back with their coins and do nothing, while the devs worked their asses off.
We have tried numerous times to get people to donate for bounties, but the interest does just not seem to be there or its a case of "I am holding on to my coins, I am sure somebody else will donate".
The hope was ( and still is ) that the community will start taking a more active role.
I know that... But taken into account that lots of ppl bought their only million at 60-80 sats makes understandable that they are not willing to giveaway single kitty... of course thats a trap for everyone but still thats a reason
(
I personally donated smth round 2,5-3 million meows to different purposes. is that much? No! But if you consider the fact that I bought them at 60sat it would make my donations look not that miserable, right? So that was 5% of all my holdings. My plan was to give away 20% more at the better price range, but I now thinking of just selling it to save the leftovers I got.
And that is why WE should continue to provide free development? I appreciate the 3mil donation but we need like 50mil-100mil to make things happen. Reality. We got all of 5mil after lots and lots of pleading. Also the team bought their MEOW right around the same price points as you (or mined, at high diff on the bad algo) so we're all in the same boat together. I have millions of kittehcoin purchased at 55 I'm still holding. Thats a loss right there. Now add my time spent on this effort. Now add my costs for things like hosting, project management solutions, hootsuite etc- all losses for me. I have made nothing off of KittehCoin but that isn't why I'm moving on. How many times do we need to repeat the story
WE DID NOT START KITTEHCOIN.
Hi kittehcoin fans,
This is my first post on here. I am a big kittehcoin fans so would like to thank the devs and community of the coin.
There are a few positives (mining etc) in the announcement and a major negative.
I've asked a few times to do the marketing for kittehcoin on twitter and facebook as this is where my background is. I was asked to be on irc to talk with dano about 2 weeks ago, so I've been on for around 2 weeks but haven't managed to get any contact with dano yet.
My one big regret is that I have still not had a proper conversation with any of the devs despite being on irc a lot of the day for 2 weeks. It makes it hard to know how to market a coin/procede if none of the leaders are around to discuss.
In the meantime I have started working with rodux (or rodox sorry not great with names) on a marketing plan and I have worked with chinatuakong (again not great with names) on doing a Chinese language twitter account
https://twitter.com/kittehcoinchina (webibo coming soon) I've also discussed doing a Spanish one with a community member who will translate the main kittehcoin twitter tweets to Spanish which will increase our reach.
In response to the fund raising question for kittehcoin. The only fundraising requests I have seen are:
• Twitter tipbot which a community member is going to do for free (think its cryptoargentina)
• Bitcoin request for entrance to mintpal (
https://www.mintpal.com/voting) - which has had good donations this is despite the non ethical element of paying to be listed - we are now 5th or 6th (maybe a kittehcoin address which we transfer into bitcoin for this purpose might also be worth getting more donations)
• A request to save a dog on reddit which was met.
I can't agree with comment saying that there has been little funds if the marketing of receiving funds has been non existent- you have got to let the community know what the coins are for and how it will benefit the community - no one will give you coins without a cause or reason.
From a marketing point of view I can't see what the benefit was of announcing you want to mergemine with another coin but basically saying you are stepping down was? Surely the other coin will want a stable development team that doesn't look like they are off to work on another coin.
In terms of getting a developer on board to take the reigns what is the process that this usually takes?
Now I am seeing people tweeting about the end of kittehcoin! It is up to people to step up to the plate and get involved -most of you guys have a twitter/fb account that you can easily tweet and market the coin with the kittehcoin community. We all have a unique skill that can be utilised with other kittehcoin fans to promote and develop the coin and community. Come onto the irc on kittehcoin.info if you are unsure what you can add and have a chat.
Yes I'm sorry I have not been able to get into IRC to chat. My email is posted in every single announcement, email me-
DAN@KITTEHCOIN.INFO. If you are so tenacious about marketing kittehcoin, I'd think you'd reach out to me via email. I know we have spoken over twitter DM and I'm sorry I couldn't be in IRC when I intended to be, I instead chose to spend the time with my family and/or was stuck at work on long hours.
But what AdamG is doing is what the whole community should be doing- linking up with each other to form plans and pave the road for KittehCoin. If I see a stronger indication that this is happening in earnst and not just talk then I may spend more time on Kittehcoin but I still think a new lead who can be 100% dedicated to this is needed as my time constraints make it such that for me, continuing to be that person would be a disservice to Kittehcoin.
AdamG- I will be on IRC tonight specifically to talk to YOU. ETA 9pm EST maybe sooner though.To Dano: as the leadership form was recently turned into group leadership (KittehCommand) I would say that one person steps out or at least a bit down (you) and one or more step in. Could you clarify?
I don't think anyone on the current leadership team has the morale left to continue but I'll let them speak for themselves. I know I feel the same as snipsnoop (also on KittehCommand) if not magnified:
"Seeing no return on time invested, and hardly anyone from the community contributing time and/or donations is soul destroying."It is really easy to sit back and moan when you haven't spend hundreds of hours on this. NOW IS YOUR CHANCE! (to spend the time for real) The way this will work moving forward is that if there is someone within KittehCommand that wants to take over, I'll happily handover items to them. Short of that I'm waiting for someone from this VERY vocal community to reach out and take over. I won't hand it over to just anyone though- i really do want Kittehcoin to succeed people need to appreciate that- If I didn't I would just not post, not do another release, take down the sites/blockexplorer etc and just be done. It would certainly be saving me both time and money.
The coin is in a great position- it sounds like AdamG wants to do the marketing (will talk with ya tonight). Someone needs to take over the coin dev, the property management, and everything else and you'll be set- shouldn't be hard based on all the voices I'm hearing in here- surely ONE of you are willing to step up.... lack of someone stepping up just confirms my fears that this community is more talk than action, especially when it comes to REAL things like producing sites/services. Collecting money for donation is great and all, but thats much different than actually developing something or raising a bounty and successfully executing it (twitter tipbot effort is solid, and I applaud THAT- but isn't it sad that is the only real effort the community has put forth in that sense?). I won't hand over dev to someone who just wants to pump and dump this, I am lookin for a new lead with experience and a vision for Kittehcoin that make me feel comfortable in them taking over.
in 2 months, 1 commit to github
really working your asses off...
at least thanks for lettings us know you are dumping the coin. do it earlier for the next coin you release
I also donated to dev's wallet few hundred thoudands coins.. from the 3M i had when it was 100 satoshi
and another 1M for the dog's surgery (community gave 9M !!)
but when it was only 6 satoshi
You are on the dev team so I'm not gonna bitch at you since you're in a similar position as me. If you read the announcement we aren't dumping (aka just walking away from) the coin- we could do that if we wanted to and just do
NOTHING starting now- is that what people want?
Instead we are trying to do the right thing and leave Kittehcoin in a good place if/when the proper lead comes in to take over. With such an active community that shouldn't take long unless it really is all talk. If people feel that these updates coming in the final release under my lead are not of value please let me know, I certainly have better things to spend my time on. KGW update will fix diff issues, fixed rewards will address the issues with randomized reward exploitation and/or very low random rewards, merge mining will give us long term network stability and having an iOS app is pretty unique as well.
This is a huge opportunity for the community and/or the right person to come together and take over Kittehcoin and do all the great stuff they asked so much for in the forums and reddit but never happened due to lack of funds/time/developers willing to work for free. This isn't an easy call to make by an measure, especially after sinking so much into this effort and I really do love the community. But I have to be honest with the community/investors I'm not going to pretend like I have time to keep working on Kittehcoin to the level I have been when I simply cannot. And I haven't known this for weeks or anything withholding information- I just have things going on in my life that now require more time now. Things like putting food on the table. I have a wedding coming up I need to plan. Things have changed at work and I have more responsibility.
This is an open source project not a company; there was no premine; there was no IPO. People need to start treating it more like that. Look at the DOGE community- do they have one single developer that does every single thing? NO. They have a large and active community of volunteers who come together to make it a success. They may have single points of contact for certain things but they don't sit back holding their DOGE asking what the dev team is doing to make it increase in value, they take action- So should all of you.
I'm pleased to see AdamG posting here and actually proposing something viable and I am sorry I haven't found time to talk with him sooner. I will be doing that tonight after work. In the interim where are the crypto devs in this community that can carry the torch? Let's here some solution not whining. And those solutions should not be "more free work from Dano & co."
I'll check back when I'm off the clock.
