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March 22, 2012, 07:40:57 PM
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what do you mean, assign a weight to it?

Weight is a rough estimation of site's value. Right now I am using http://www.getwebsitevalue.com to set the value, but it can be changed any time. So you can think of it as of some arbitrary integer number. Its absolute value means nothing, but it relative value will be used to distribute bitcoins between affiliates that have their ads on those sites.

are you saying that you get more money with a website that has a better value?
sorry if i'm a bit slow
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March 23, 2012, 04:48:53 AM
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I just added my sites to the list but once I checked the list they were already on.  Sorry for the spam.

No problem, I fixed that. Thanks for participation!

what do you mean, assign a weight to it?

Weight is a rough estimation of site's value. Right now I am using http://www.getwebsitevalue.com to set the value, but it can be changed any time. So you can think of it as of some arbitrary integer number. Its absolute value means nothing, but it relative value will be used to distribute bitcoins between affiliates that have their ads on those sites.

are you saying that you get more money with a website that has a better value?
sorry if i'm a bit slow

Advertisers are supposed do the following 2 steps:
1) pay any amount to Anonymous Ads to bootstrap their ads (to get some impressions and to get connected to affiliates).
2) track bitcoin addresses passed as GET parameter and use those addresses to reward affiliates for successful visits (thus getting more impressions & visits from them)

Main source of income for affiliates should be step 2. But for some reason it doesn't work: most advertisers don't do step 2.

So I need to spend money received at step 1 to support affiliates for showing ads.

However (unlike advertisers) I can't detect successful visits to reward affiliates. And I don't want to pay botnets for fake clicks and impressions.

So I am developing a solution to reward affiliates with respect to weights of sites they have their codes on. Affiliates that advertise on sites with positive weights will receive additional support (proportional to 'weight' and 'health' of sites, and affiliate's 'share' of those sites).

Sorry for the long message... did it answer you question?

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March 23, 2012, 04:44:54 PM
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gotcha, thanks

yeah if you don't have an interface programmed to track those, it's too difficult I suppose

too bad cause it was a good concept
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March 23, 2012, 10:20:48 PM
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gotcha, thanks

yeah if you don't have an interface programmed to track those, it's too difficult I suppose

too bad cause it was a good concept

Well... I have some php example for tracking it (https://github.com/arsenische/aaap), and I plan to develop even simpler mechanism, but I need some time to think it over. My first priority right now is to resume payments to affiliates. So I am working on that feature now, plan to finish in couple days. I hope that affiliates add their sites by that time.

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March 27, 2012, 07:57:03 PM
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Ok, now affiliate's earnings consist of 3 sources of income:
1) earnings from advertisers -- that's what advertisers pay for successful visits or impressions (or just to encourage new impressions)
2) earnings from referrals -- that's what Anonymous Ads pays for attracting advertisers that deposit to bootsrap their ads
3) earnings from sites -- that's what Anonymous Ads pays for having affiliate code on the evaluated sites

When advertiser makes a bootstrap payment, 10% goes to affiliate that attracted the advertiser (affiliate #1 by default) and 50% is being distributed between affiliates that have their codes on the listed sites. I am testing this feature now, so affiliates that have their sites listed will receive some btc eventually Smiley

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March 28, 2012, 12:19:24 PM
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New feature:

Advertisers can reward affiliates that advertise on listed sites to encourage more impressions & clicks from them.

Advertisers can either manually select desired site and send any amount of bitcoins to its reward address, or they can use btcrelay service to pay to the weighted list of connected affiliates with sites.

Please see "Sites" tab of Ad's page.

PS: it needs testing, please don't risk large amounts Smiley

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March 28, 2012, 07:30:47 PM
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Just found this, Looks nice.

use my refcode.

no grandfathering me the sigs for img :/

Please advertise with Anonymous Ads


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April 01, 2012, 06:06:28 AM
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arsenische, you've accepted an ad on your service that says, "8GB Extra Dropbox Space  →  Pay what you want/can; No set price!"

On Freelancer.com, users are getting hustled by job posters who have them jumping through hoops to complete prequalifications for getting hired: pass an online typing test and send them a screenshot of the results, and sign up under them for a Free DropBox account "to receive work files".  None of the applicants are hired.  The same job is then posted and reposted under various dummy accounts, with tens and twenties of hungry applicants getting scammed by it.  For each one that signs up, the referring DropBox user receives 1 GB of additional free space.

Just wanted to let you know what you were enabling with that ad.   Smiley

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April 01, 2012, 09:30:55 AM
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Just found this, Looks nice.

use my refcode.

no grandfathering me the sigs for img :/

Please advertise with Anonymous Ads


Thanks!

I think it is better to use your "http://anonymousads.com?partner=16ArAjNzaiHxKZqdu735y9vce96VxDCf6V" link instead of "http://anonymousads.com/userbar/195/click" in your signature.

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April 01, 2012, 09:36:48 AM
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arsenische, you've accepted an ad on your service that says, "8GB Extra Dropbox Space  →  Pay what you want/can; No set price!"

On Freelancer.com, users are getting hustled by job posters who have them jumping through hoops to complete prequalifications for getting hired: pass an online typing test and send them a screenshot of the results, and sign up under them for a Free DropBox account "to receive work files".  None of the applicants are hired.  The same job is then posted and reposted under various dummy accounts, with tens and twenties of hungry applicants getting scammed by it.  For each one that signs up, the referring DropBox user receives 1 GB of additional free space.

Just wanted to let you know what you were enabling with that ad.   Smiley

Satori, thanks for your message. I was a little worried about this ad (you can see a little discussion here), that is why I set it rating of 50. I assume affiliates that allow gambling would be tolerant to this kind of service. If you don't want to see this ad, use affiliates with rating higher than 50.

Frankly speaking I am not sure what to do with it. Maybe this ad can be considered SCAM, in that case I should probably set its rating to somewhare about 20, so that most affiliates never show it. I don't have any strict guidelines yet. What do you think?

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April 01, 2012, 10:58:07 AM
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Well if it is a scam then why shouldn't you delete it? In any case you are both helping user not to fall in a scam and your ad network to remain clean. But just make sure it's a real scam, don't wanna kick someone legit.

(at the same time I realize that in an anonymous ad network users should be smart enough to check always for scams regardless of what the ad network owner does about them, so in theory it would be better if we could let the network run itself but since you are just starting, maybe you should take care of scams yourself)  Smiley

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April 01, 2012, 10:51:02 PM
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Frankly speaking I am not sure what to do with it. Maybe this ad can be considered SCAM, in that case I should probably set its rating to somewhare about 20, so that most affiliates never show it. I don't have any strict guidelines yet. What do you think?

Hmm.  That's a difficult question.  Were it me, knowing what I know about how people are getting money by raising false hopes of people who are looking for work, and wasting their time, I wouldn't accept the ad.  Morally, that's probably worse than merely being opportunistic at a large corporation's bonus offer.  To my thinking, they knew they were running that risk - or certainly should have known - when they made that promotional offer, and made it anyway.

But I am not you.  My sense of Right vs. Wrong appears to be a lot stricter than those around me: I've been living off the grid for over a decade rather than subsidize a lot of the things the federal government has been doing (slaughtering Iraqi civilians, playing gofer for the Israelis, building an estimated 600-800 "FEMA" concentration camps within the U.S.).  Because it would be wrong of me to be a party to those things (treason, in fact), I refuse to do it.  And must take the brunt of the repercussions for that choice: Can't work reliably while off the grid, and homeless as a result.  If everyone made the same caliber of choices I do, our government wouldn't be doing what it does, out of sheer necessity to collect tax revenues.  But they don't, and I encounter what I do because the rest of society doesn't boycott things I consider Wrong.  Wrong begins when you knowingly and avoidably cause harm to another.  Either directly, or through being a knowing accomplice.

So it's not my place to tell you what decision for your own domain is the right one.  I would proffer the suggestion that your site policies should probably be an expression of your personal moral standards as much as possible.  If at that point you're dissatisfied with the quality of one of those - in either direction - you may want to adjust the other to match as well.

Well if it is a scam then why shouldn't you delete it? In any case you are both helping user not to fall in a scam and your ad network to remain clean.

Were it me, that's what I think I would do.  But it's not, and it's tough to make a decision based on profits and needs that I don't actually have.

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But just make sure it's a real scam, don't wanna kick someone legit.

Bingo.  There's the rub.

We know that some people are offering promotions like that by defrauding large swaths of unemployed people actively seeking work.  We do not know that moredropbox is doing that.  We can probably agree that it's probably pretty likely.  If this tactic turns out to be against arsenische's ad standards, then due diligence on arsenische's part would probably require an inquiry into the moredropbox' business practices.  I.e., "It's been called into question; show me how you're doing this or have your ad rejected / downgraded / etc."  Having a moral standard means acting on it; whether arsenische opts to have that standard or not isn't for me to impose.

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(at the same time I realize that in an anonymous ad network users should be smart enough to check always for scams regardless of what the ad network owner does about them, so in theory it would be better if we could let the network run itself but since you are just starting, maybe you should take care of scams yourself)  Smiley

Yes, and no.

Users have a responsibility not to send 100 Bitcoins to the first Nigerian scammer they happen to find a link to, anywhere.  But an ad network also has an implied responsibility not only not to become a getaway driver for scams, but also to ensure a certain degree of quality for the ads it accepts.  It's sort of like the attractive nuisance laws in real life (i.e., "Your rusty playset on your lawn attracted my kids to start playing on it, and now they have tetanus").  To what extent an ad network does that determines, in part, whether it's considered a high-class establishment or a rickety internet death-trap.  In the online world there isn't a lot of actual legal liability, but users - and advertisers - notice which it is and on that basis determine whether they read or place ads there.

That works in either direction: High-class advertisers won't publish on a rickety internet death-trap, but there are plenty of scammers out there who will take their place.  It all depends on what sort of business arsenische has in mind, what his or her financial need level is, and what the caliber of his or her self-image will allow arsenische to accept or reject.

And that's not a judgement against you either way, arsenischePart of being a society of free, mature and responsible people means having the right to make choices, live with them, and decide whether we like the results they bring us.  A large part of society's detriment has been due to a tyrannous effort to childproof our choices, to let someone else make them for us, so that we never get the chance to grow and learn.  If I tried to do that, even by trying to force some position of implied moral superiority on you, I'd only be doing the same thing myself.

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April 01, 2012, 11:01:52 PM
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TL:Did Read  Wink

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April 02, 2012, 01:01:59 AM
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TL:Did Read  Wink

Yeah, I'm taking night courses at Twitter University to trim some of my posts.   Smiley

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April 02, 2012, 05:11:33 AM
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Thanks for your opinions, but I would prefer to avoid:

1. removing ads without any notice and explanation (errors can irreversibly harm innocent people).

2. blocking paid ad without a refund (I don't know easy and reliable way to refund anonymous advertisers).

3. penalizing anonymous advertisers for some gossip about their behaviour (it is none of my business what anonymous advertisers and affiliates do outside anonymousads.com).

Personally I don't like this ad because it can be considered to be a fraud against Dropbox. But I am not sure if it is illegal and I shouldn't impose my moral standards on everybody.

I think affiliates should decide what is appropriate for their sites and what is not (and I should enable them doing it).

Right now there is a simple mechanism for rating-based ad filtration. Affiliates specify filtration level upon registration. If they set it to 0 then they accept things that are commonly considered to be more controversial than porn and drugs. If they set it to 100, then they accept only safe ads.

Regarding this particular ad, I've set a rating value to 50. Affiliates that accept gambling would probably accept this risky ad too. If this is not the case, I can lower the rating to 40 (porn), 30 (drugs) or even lower.

I set negative ratings only to ads that are obviously erroneous or dangerous (such as broken links and viruses).

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April 02, 2012, 07:07:00 AM
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some of my links may be broken for a couple days while i fix some hosting issues.

Set up the same thing..
http://bit.ly/btcrefs
Get more bitcoins.
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April 02, 2012, 08:39:00 AM
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Just found this, Looks nice.

use my refcode.

no grandfathering me the sigs for img :/

Please advertise with Anonymous Ads


Thanks!

I think it is better to use your "http://anonymousads.com?partner=16ArAjNzaiHxKZqdu735y9vce96VxDCf6V" link instead of "http://anonymousads.com/userbar/195/click" in your signature.

both addresses are me.  I made the first one and thought I could change the filter levels later.  then saw it seemed to be locked so I made the second one.

Set up the same thing..
http://bit.ly/btcrefs
Get more bitcoins.
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April 02, 2012, 08:43:54 AM
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Just found this, Looks nice.

use my refcode.

no grandfathering me the sigs for img :/

Please advertise with Anonymous Ads


Thanks!

I think it is better to use your "http://anonymousads.com?partner=16ArAjNzaiHxKZqdu735y9vce96VxDCf6V" link instead of "http://anonymousads.com/userbar/195/click" in your signature.

both addresses are me.  I made the first one and thought I could change the filter levels later.  then saw it seemed to be locked so I made the second one.

It is ok to make as many addresses as you need. What I am talking about is that the link in your signature is not a referral link. You can click it and see what happens. You referral link should be anonymousads.com?partner=<your affiliate's withdrawal address> -- in that case you receive 10% of bootstrap deposits of advertisers you attract with it.


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April 02, 2012, 08:44:22 AM
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Also nice job,  Much more convenient than opfab.

Set up the same thing..
http://bit.ly/btcrefs
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April 02, 2012, 08:47:52 AM
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Just found this, Looks nice.

use my refcode.

no grandfathering me the sigs for img :/

Please advertise with Anonymous Ads


Thanks!

I think it is better to use your "http://anonymousads.com?partner=16ArAjNzaiHxKZqdu735y9vce96VxDCf6V" link instead of "http://anonymousads.com/userbar/195/click" in your signature.

both addresses are me.  I made the first one and thought I could change the filter levels later.  then saw it seemed to be locked so I made the second one.

It is ok to make as many addresses as you need. What I am talking about is that the link in your signature is not a referral link. You can click it and see what happens. You referral link should be anonymousads.com?partner=<your affiliate's withdrawal address> -- in that case you receive 10% of bootstrap deposits of advertisers you attract with it.



oh that, I was trying to get regular ads to show up, but I guess the no images rule broke that, was trying to find a way around it, but gave up, I'm not as familiar with html as I'd like to be.

Set up the same thing..
http://bit.ly/btcrefs
Get more bitcoins.
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