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Author Topic: [ANN] Blacknet BLN | Staking | Future of zApp & ZeFi  (Read 2511005 times)
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February 28, 2014, 09:36:18 PM
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one important question: with PoS, the wallet must be open to have interests?

Yes, it actually is mining PoS blocks and only can when open and unlocked.
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February 28, 2014, 09:38:25 PM
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can someone simply explain this dump rate? just why so low?

initial distribution by short-term PoW miners. Same thing happened with Mintcoin. First week it sat low at 4-8 satoshis then exploded to 50 satoshis. No worries the PoW mining period for BC will end soon.
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February 28, 2014, 09:39:19 PM
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one important question: with PoS, the wallet must be open to have interests?

Correct.  However, the coins in an unopened wallet do continue to accrue coin age.  Theoretically, you should earn the same interest whether you leave the wallet open for a year or leave it closed for a year and then open it, but with compound interest it is in your best interest to leave the wallet open as much as possible so your interest can also gain interest.
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February 28, 2014, 09:40:05 PM
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<snark>I'm just sure all those mainstreet folks that missed the one week premine will just be begging to buy your blackcoins next week. Keep hodling!</snark>
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February 28, 2014, 09:41:01 PM
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Thank you for your response...the comments
 " The period they will actually stake is random, but irrelevant because the reward uses coin age.  But the incentive to keep your wallet open and generating POS (and therefore securing the network and moving transactions) is that the more frequent they stake, though you get a smaller reward in each interval, the interest will be compounded more often. "

makes things a whole lot clearer. Basically coins become eligible for stake. By random they will actually stake. (However the age of ALL coins are always kept on record.) They go into stake section. The stake amount then is eligible for interest at 1% pa. After maturing they are removed from stake section and placed back in your balance. You continue to collect interest on those coins[and any others now over 8hrs old at 1%pa. Eventually all of your eligible balance will stake so that you can started to be PAID OUT interest on them. IMPORTANT: Even if they dont stake quickly a record of coin age is kept so that the correct interest can be paid out at stake time. Of course the effect becomes compounded over time especially if you 1) Keep your wallet open 2) Stake often[somewhat due to luck] i.e if you stake often then more interest is paid on interest[compounded effect]

Again, It is important to note that interest is calculated based on the age of your coins so even if you only stake once a year then you would only truly receive 1% pa. Interest only starts to be actually paid out when you stake, though you will be paid out on said interest for every coin held over 8hrs . However if you stake 1/wk the compounding effect could be significant.

I think I finally get it. Like I said the compounding is the easy part but the procedures involved in POS interest payments are overly complicated for a newbie. Even some Wall Street derivatives have easier payment mechanisms  Cheesy


p.s

I am expecting A steep price rise ala AURcoin as soon as we hit block 9500






quote author=artiface link=topic=469640.msg5433540#msg5433540 date=1393619862]
Compound interest is the easy part. Lets see if some one can explain using a practical numerical example.

1) I have a 100,000 BC balance
2) I am lucky[ fulfilling the 8hrs, unlocked reqmt, etc] and get a stake of 10,000 BC

To keep thing,s simple I get no further stake for weeks.

Explain using said numbers what happens to that 10000 BC incl. interest collected, over the period of the stake. Is the period of the stake random as well ?

to get you started 1% pa of 10000 BC is 100 BC per year or 0.28 BC/day in interest.



From the source:

int64 nSubsidy = nCoinAge * COIN_YEAR_REWARD * 33 / (365 * 33 + 8 );

nCoinAge is days.  For the age of your coin you get 1% * coinage / days in a year.



So to put in numbers.  

You have 100,000 coins that are all 8 hours old and generate a stake.  You get 100000 * .01 * .33 / 365 =  0.904109.  
You now have 100000.904109

Next time you wait 5 days before you generate a stake.

100000.904109 * .01 * 5 / 365 = 13.69875
Now you have  100014.602859

Next time you wait 90 days
100014.602859 * .01 * 90 / 365  = 246 .611348
Now you have 100261.214207

Next time you wait the rest of the year
100261.214207 * 0.01 * 269.66 /365 = 740.724356
Now you have 101001.938563

Or just a bit over 1% annually.

This will always come out to a bit over 1% annually because the coin age continues to grow until the coins stake.  The period they will actually stake is random, but irrelevant because the reward uses coin age.  But the incentive to keep your wallet open and generating POS (and therefore securing the network and moving transactions) is that the more frequent they stake, though you get a smaller reward in each interval, the interest will be compounded more often.  


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February 28, 2014, 09:41:27 PM
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can someone simply explain this dump rate? just why so low?

initial distribution by short-term PoW miners. Same thing happened with Mintcoin. First week it sat low at 4-8 satoshis then exploded to 50 satoshis. No worries the PoW mining period for BC will end soon.

Yeah but the difference is that almost no one knows about Blackcoin outside of this thread.
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February 28, 2014, 09:41:39 PM
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Seems like its gonna drop to 100 sat  by tomorrow morning
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February 28, 2014, 09:42:38 PM
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can someone simply explain this dump rate? just why so low?

initial distribution by short-term PoW miners. Same thing happened with Mintcoin. First week it sat low at 4-8 satoshis then exploded to 50 satoshis. No worries the PoW mining period for BC will end soon.

except Mintcoin mining will be finished after BC. As you can see, Mintcoin is also tanking as it nears PoS. BC is just an accelerated Mint. If you really expect this to explode in value, i believe you will be sorely disappointed.

There is how much time until PoW is over? Yeah, this coins hay day was yesterday.
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February 28, 2014, 09:44:29 PM
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its on  mintpal so there will be a lot of followers as soon as woloong or one of the other whales has there fill and decides to do a pump

If your not actively using the technology behind your crypto investment,

IT IS A SCAM!!!!
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February 28, 2014, 09:46:32 PM
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its on  mintpal so there will be a lot of followers as soon as woloong or one of the other whales has there fill and decides to do a pump

yes, base your entire investment on the assumption some whale will just come around to save you. Sounds logical.
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February 28, 2014, 09:47:18 PM
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How to unlock wallet? Is it unloked by default, i.e. if I just downloaded software, withdrawn some coins, what should I do to start generating PoS?
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February 28, 2014, 09:49:49 PM
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its on  mintpal so there will be a lot of followers as soon as woloong or one of the other whales has there fill and decides to do a pump

yes, base your entire investment on the assumption some whale will just come around to save you. Sounds logical.

so true. 

hilarious stuff going on in here.  i have never seen such a bunch of wishful thinking cheerleaders just hoping that their stupid black shitcoin will come back from the dead.  lol

This ride was over yesterday.  Duh.  Go mine the next shitcoin, because you already missed out on selling when you had the chance.

 Grin Grin Shocked Shocked Grin Grin

It's certainly entertaining, I'll give you that much!
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February 28, 2014, 09:50:27 PM
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How to unlock wallet? Is it unloked by default, i.e. if I just downloaded software, withdrawn some coins, what should I do to start generating PoS?

Wallet is unlocked by default unless a password is used, then it needs unlocking
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February 28, 2014, 09:50:54 PM
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can someone simply explain this dump rate? just why so low?

initial distribution by short-term PoW miners. Same thing happened with Mintcoin. First week it sat low at 4-8 satoshis then exploded to 50 satoshis. No worries the PoW mining period for BC will end soon.

Yeah but the difference is that almost no one knows about Blackcoin outside of this thread.

Get the word out there then.

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February 28, 2014, 09:55:42 PM
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starting to hate trading crypto  Angry
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its on  mintpal so there will be a lot of followers as soon as woloong or one of the other whales has there fill and decides to do a pump

yes, base your entire investment on the assumption some whale will just come around to save you. Sounds logical.

so true.  

hilarious stuff going on in here.  i have never seen such a bunch of wishful thinking cheerleaders just hoping that their stupid black shitcoin will come back from the dead.  lol

This ride was over yesterday.  Duh.  Go mine the next shitcoin, because you already missed out on selling when you had the chance.

 Grin Grin Shocked Shocked Grin Grin

It's certainly entertaining, I'll give you that much!


Keep it up!  The more you post this kind of stuff the more the price goes down and I keep getting it cheaper and cheaper.  That's fine. If you really think the coin is dead why are you still here?  You are only coming here to keep driving the price down, or am i supposed to believe you're here talking shit about the coin just because you want to help everyone with your "investment advice".  Let it fall right now.  We'll see what happens after there are no miners left to dump.  
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February 28, 2014, 10:02:10 PM
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buy 100k for a btc if you have one to gamble and sit on it for a few wekks
if you wake up to find blackcoins are 0 you lost the equivalent to a big party night
if it gains traction you now have 4-10 bitcoins

like going to the casino, but the odds are a little better

If your not actively using the technology behind your crypto investment,

IT IS A SCAM!!!!
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February 28, 2014, 10:05:15 PM
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Most altcoins are down today

Keep that in mind.

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February 28, 2014, 10:07:35 PM
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its on  mintpal so there will be a lot of followers as soon as woloong or one of the other whales has there fill and decides to do a pump

yes, base your entire investment on the assumption some whale will just come around to save you. Sounds logical.

so true. 

hilarious stuff going on in here.  i have never seen such a bunch of wishful thinking cheerleaders just hoping that their stupid black shitcoin will come back from the dead.  lol

This ride was over yesterday.  Duh.  Go mine the next shitcoin, because you already missed out on selling when you had the chance.

 Grin Grin Shocked Shocked Grin Grin

It's certainly entertaining, I'll give you that much!


Keep it up!  The more you post this kind of stuff the more the price goes down and I keep getting it cheaper and cheaper.  That's fine. If you really think the coin is dead why are you still here?  You are only coming here to keep driving the price down, or am i supposed to believe you're here talking shit about the coin just because you wan't to help everyone with your "investment advice".  Let it fall right now.  We'll see what happens after there are no miners left to dump. 


It's funny, usually when I see people spending their time on a coin I dislike I'm just happy they are not mining what I am.  I would never think to try and make them stop.  I will say it's making the mining a lot easier today.
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February 28, 2014, 10:11:37 PM
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http://www.worldcat.org/title/black-coin-chapter-3-the-fatal-plunge/oclc/423200279

Just kidding.
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