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[dooglus]

I don't think you are a shill, but from what I heard, buying his balance for a few coins and then possibly exchange that for a slice of the house edge - or other benefits for that matter, does not sound ethical to me.

I don't see any ethical problem with Ruru buying 1dice1's ED balance if both parties are happy with the deal.

The offer was maybe a little low, but it's starting to look like it may have been a little high, too.  For those who think otherwise, I'm owed 1 BTC by pirateat40, and am willing to sell the debt for 1% of its face value.

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[FastBluff]

I don't think you are a shill, but from what I heard, buying his balance for a few coins and then possibly exchange that for a slice of the house edge - or other benefits for that matter, does not sound ethical to me.

I don't see any ethical problem with Ruru buying 1dice1's ED balance if both parties are happy with the deal.

The offer was maybe a little low, but it's starting to look like it may have been a little high, too.  For those who think otherwise, I'm owed 1 BTC by pirateat40, and am willing to sell the debt for 1% of its face value.

Agreed. Buying bad debts is a fairly common practice. In a fiat currency, if a debt goes bad it is sold to a collection agency. The only difference in this scenario is that a collection agency has a better chance to collect.

[blizeH]

winning is winning....  pay 1Dice1.  i mean if there is a bug .. then its the site owner's fault.  being an investor thats part of the risk prior to deciding to invest.

Surely it depends on whether or not there was a bug that 1DiCe wasn't aware of, but benefited from, or whether it was a glitch that he knowingly exploited.

If you go to any casino and you exploit the site, the chances of you getting any money back (even your deposit) is pretty much zero. In fact, that would apply to glitches too.

[kleineaap]

I don't think you are a shill, but from what I heard, buying his balance for a few coins and then possibly exchange that for a slice of the house edge - or other benefits for that matter, does not sound ethical to me.

I don't see any ethical problem with Ruru buying 1dice1's ED balance if both parties are happy with the deal.

The offer was maybe a little low, but it's starting to look like it may have been a little high, too.  For those who think otherwise, I'm owed 1 BTC by pirateat40, and am willing to sell the debt for 1% of its face value.

Agreed. Buying bad debts is a fairly common practice. In a fiat currency, if a debt goes bad it is sold to a collection agency. The only difference in this scenario is that a collection agency has a better chance to collect.

Being a common practice doesn't make it ethical imo. And every case is a case.
One of the options I heard from Ruru, both on ED and JD chat, was to buy the balance for a few coins, getting the slice of investment he lost, and returning the rest to ED's administration and investors, so everyone would be happy except from the person who actually won in the first place. If this is not correct, please clarify.
(How can both parties be happy if you are offering a legit winner to give up 140BTC in exchange for a few coins?)

In the ideal approach, the winner gets paid, investors lose. And with little investment trust left, there's not gonna be much space for ED to come back with the same plan for bankroll funding.

In a realistic approach, ED won't pay, no matter what, because it would collapse. They can't let the investors down. They need 1DiCe1 to give up the winnings in order to survive.
Either 1DiCe1 accepts a few coins or a share of the edge, or loses everything back to the hand of the investors and site's administration. While first option allows site to come back, I doubt very much on the second one.

Whatever will happen, there won't be a cashout, although I secretly hope that I'm wrong for the sake of the community...


EDIT: the site owes a player. you can buy the site's debt I suppose

[a1choi]

A lot of people are saying "just pay him already" without realising that it is not himself he's trying to protect here, but the site's investors.

I've played at a lot of online casinos before and have been refused payments for the smallest of things, and that's from the casinos own bankroll. In this case, there are some slightly peculiar results from two players - not impossible, but almost 3SD/4SD respectively from my quick calculations which is highly unusual.

I think in this case the admin is right to proceed with caution, especially if there is even the slightest suspicion that the site could have been compromised.

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Can you show the math you used to arrive at 3SD/4SD? I can't speak to P-4747, but I was gambling along side 1Dice at ED and he sure did a lot of losing in between his winning. 3SD/4SD sounds dubious to me on first glance.

If it was indeed 3SD/4SD, he is super lucky. at 3SD, he'd be 0.1% of the population and at 4SD, i dont even know what that is.

would love to see the math behind those calcs.

[boumalo]

ED isn't communicating much and the whole process is shady

1Dice1 is probably honest but they are reluctant to pay him and show a lost for their effort

[MICRO]

ED isn't communicating much and the whole process is shady

1Dice1 is probably honest but they are reluctant to pay him and show a lost for their effort

They are done. They wont pay. I saw similar scenarious many times.
Vanity site did say they got hacked and that they will payback what we paid for addyes , and that was it, never paid or commemt again.

[littlebox]

ED isn't communicating much and the whole process is shady

1Dice1 is probably honest but they are reluctant to pay him and show a lost for their effort

They are done. They wont pay. I saw similar scenarious many times.
Vanity site did say they got hacked and that they will payback what we paid for addyes , and that was it, never paid or commemt again.

most probably won't come back again, since their house lost so much BTC,

while with CrowdDice.com there would never be such a problem, you'll never play against the house, but against other players

bad luck for 1DiCe1 and investors

[boumalo]

ED isn't communicating much and the whole process is shady

1Dice1 is probably honest but they are reluctant to pay him and show a lost for their effort

They are done. They wont pay. I saw similar scenarious many times.
Vanity site did say they got hacked and that they will payback what we paid for addyes , and that was it, never paid or commemt again.

most probably won't come back again, since their house lost so much BTC,

while with CrowdDice.com there would never be such a problem, you'll never play against the house, but against other players

bad luck for 1DiCe1 and investors

1Dice1 sold his winnings with a discount so he may be ok

Investors lost 100%! Some reinvest after 1Dice1 won thinking he would play again

[1DiCe1]

1Dice1 sold his winnings with a discount so he may be ok

Investors lost 100%! Some reinvest after 1Dice1 won thinking he would play again

Don't lie, i haven't sold my winnings.
The money that investors lost after i played are the risk they accepted when they did investment, and i won it fairly with risking my own money.

Admin just theft us our balance/invested money when he decided to stop withdrawals and shutdown website.
He still doesn't reply my emails so i think he just ran away with money.

[deadley]

1Dice1 sold his winnings with a discount so he may be ok

Investors lost 100%! Some reinvest after 1Dice1 won thinking he would play again

Don't lie, i haven't sold my winnings.
The money that investors lost after i played are the risk they accepted when they did investment, and i won it fairly with risking my own money.

Admin just theft us our balance/invested money when he decided to stop withdrawals and shutdown website.
He still doesn't reply my emails so i think he just ran away with money.

There is no more hope, If admin was honest he atleast comment here but he is not commenting so its clear sign of scam.

[MICRO]

1Dice1 sold his winnings with a discount so he may be ok

Investors lost 100%! Some reinvest after 1Dice1 won thinking he would play again

Don't lie, i haven't sold my winnings.
The money that investors lost after i played are the risk they accepted when they did investment, and i won it fairly with risking my own money.

Admin just theft us our balance/invested money when he decided to stop withdrawals and shutdown website.
He still doesn't reply my emails so i think he just ran away with money.

Yeah if they did payout u , investors wplouldnt have any right to argue. This way u all got scammed, investors can be litle bit less angry coz they lost theirs money when u won , and wouldawe lost it even if they did not scam if coz they would need tocpay u out.
So i thing u lost more. Its rly sad. U got lucky , than much more unlucky.

[boumalo]

1Dice1 sold his winnings with a discount so he may be ok

Investors lost 100%! Some reinvest after 1Dice1 won thinking he would play again

Don't lie, i haven't sold my winnings.
The money that investors lost after i played are the risk they accepted when they did investment, and i won it fairly with risking my own money.

Admin just theft us our balance/invested money when he decided to stop withdrawals and shutdown website.
He still doesn't reply my emails so i think he just ran away with money.

I don't see any ethical problem with Ruru buying 1dice1's ED balance if both parties are happy with the deal.

The offer was maybe a little low, but it's starting to look like it may have been a little high, too.  For those who think otherwise, I'm owed 1 BTC by pirateat40, and am willing to sell the debt for 1% of its face value.

I thought you did sold your winnings for a discount which would have been a smart thing to do if you could get a deal; you didn't sold anything?
doog talks about an offer so you may not have sold

You are obviously one of the biggest losers if ED doesn't pay but it is correct to say that investors lost 100% of their investments, not because of you but because ED closed the website

[dooglus]

with CrowdDice.com there would never be such a problem, you'll never play against the house, but against other players

bad luck for 1DiCe1 and investors

Same at ED.  You weren't playing against the site, you were playing against the investors.  The site made a profit from every bet, just like you do on your site.

It's much the same.  You could decide to run off with player funds at any time, since you hold them which the bets are pending.

[dooglus]

I thought you did sold your winnings for a discount which would have been a smart thing to do if you could get a deal; you didn't sold anything?
doog talks about an offer so you may not have sold

From what I saw:

Ruru offered to buy his balance at a huge discount, planning to sell it back to ED at a profit.  1dice1 didn't accept the offer.

[MICRO]

with CrowdDice.com there would never be such a problem, you'll never play against the house, but against other players

bad luck for 1DiCe1 and investors

Same at ED.  You weren't playing against the site, you were playing against the investors.  The site made a profit from every bet, just like you do on your site.

It's much the same.  You could decide to run off with player funds at any time, since you hold them which the bets are pending.

It is , and will always be that way. Owners dont give any info on them , and run anonymous, so every one of them can eventualy decide to run with thevmoney, and dont have any problems. Thatvis just nature of bitcoin, u can accept it, and love it, or look elsewhere. As long as there is no laws about bitcoin gambling and casinos, we can only rely on trust.

[MICRO]

I thought you did sold your winnings for a discount which would have been a smart thing to do if you could get a deal; you didn't sold anything?
doog talks about an offer so you may not have sold

From what I saw:

Ruru offered to buy his balance at a huge discount, planning to sell it back to ED at a profit.  1dice1 didn't accept the offer.

Ruru is probably somebody involved with ed lol. And i think its smart decision 1dice1 even thou u probably wont see that coins again.

[omahapoker]

people at my thread said i should take everydice off the ranking




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ed hasnt respond here?

feedback please

[kleineaap]

people at my thread said i should take everydice off the ranking




hes at #40


www.cryptobettingindex.com





ed hasnt respond here?

feedback please

Out.

[zolace]

In case someone didn't know, there is a new updated message on the site.

28 May 2014

As an operator of the site, again I'm really sorry for the inconvenience and delayed investigation. Cold wallets are currently under control of our major investor (as you can see our bankroll grows in substansial amount in the second day of launch). The major investor will be able to release the coin only after investigation is confirmed and finished.

Why would they give control of their wallets to an investor?

Its really more suspicious. why they gave their cold wallet to investor. are they buying time or what.

as I told you all before the investors could have been part of the scam, when a con men works he dont work alone but with others, and some of the conmen could be in this very room but without proof people are just gonna back them up. They guy could be an established btc member and you wont even know it cause he was with a shill account all this time