dooglus
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May 26, 2014, 05:13:35 AM |
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I think everyone is missing the point here. Doog as well, 1Dice1 does not care about any of what you write here, all he want's is his money and nothing else, he got screwed and you guys should help him.
I don't think anyone is suggesting that 1dice1 shouldn't be paid his winnings. Do you think I enjoyed sending nakowa his 10,000 BTC payout after he had an amazing run of luck? I didn't, but what choice did I have? But how can we help him? ED has his coins and is delaying paying them out. Seems no one get's bigger point, people will lose trust into all sites if ED runs away and doesn't pay and this includes JD as well.
I don't think yet another little just-dice clone site going down because of crappy coding or scammy operators would really surprise anyone. It has happened before and surely it will happen again. If anything, each time one of these small sites fails it serves to show people not to trust places with no reputation and to stay with the established sites that have a history of reliability, trustworthiness and good customer support.
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blizeH
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May 26, 2014, 07:18:53 AM |
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Of course I'm massively biased here, but it seems if there was a glitch, and there is no way of knowing if 1DiCe exploited it or not, with such huge winnings and somewhat unusual variance (see: almost impossible winnings) then refunding the investors does seem to be the only fair option - as long as 1DiCe gets all of the money he invested into the site too, assuming there is no real way of proving what happened.
If(?!) investors do get refunded, if there is still no way for sure of proving whether or not there was anything dodgy going on, I'll happily give 1DiCe the benefit of the doubt and 10% of any BTC I get back (will be close to 1.5BTC)
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senior gonzales
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May 26, 2014, 07:48:12 AM |
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I think the fairest way is to rollback (if its possible since massive withdrawals) bets and return most of funds to investors (80-90%). Other funds send to 1Dice1.
Since its not proven we must believe 1Dice1 not used xploit - and we should send winnings to him. But some of investors lost a lot and too much luck here...
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ruru
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May 26, 2014, 07:52:11 AM |
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And... It's gone. Site went offline. Yes, I lost quite a bit, and withdrew my coins. My intuition tells me something's up that's why I folded... and I usually don't back of an investment.. Dear Players and Investors,
First of all we are sorry for the inconvenience. Currently EveryDice is down for maintenance and security check due to recent case. Please be patient while we are working hard to solve this issue as fair as possible.
To avoid misunderstanding, up until now we do not make any statement that our site seed and server has been breached or accusing a player is cheating, it is a possibility but we are still under internal investigation. Please do not make assumption and getting provoked by other users. Our most priority at the moment is to protect database and access to our server, then after everything is settled, we will set the site up with enabled withdrawal but disabled roll.
Regards, Ed
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chaosPT
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May 26, 2014, 08:03:20 AM |
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They are just down for maintain or gone ?
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ruru
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May 26, 2014, 08:10:12 AM |
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C.Steven
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May 26, 2014, 08:29:17 AM |
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Of course I'm massively biased here, but it seems if there was a glitch, and there is no way of knowing if 1DiCe exploited it or not, with such huge winnings and somewhat unusual variance (see: almost impossible winnings) then refunding the investors does seem to be the only fair option - as long as 1DiCe gets all of the money he invested into the site too, assuming there is no real way of proving what happened.
The variance is unusual but not really that statistically improbable. I can't see why refunding the investors and reversing 1Dice1's winnings is fair.
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blizeH
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May 26, 2014, 08:33:04 AM |
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Site is fine for me
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senior gonzales
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May 26, 2014, 08:35:16 AM |
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Site is fine for me
down for me for 3-4 hours. And I cant see maintance message also... =\
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MRKLYE
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May 26, 2014, 08:38:33 AM |
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You guys playing on this site should mosey on down to just-dice.com... Atleast you can withdraw from there.
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cech4204a
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May 26, 2014, 08:41:44 AM |
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Edward, you ruined it all...i had buyer for 300 BTC ,you wanted 360, here you go, now you have negative.
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Bitcoin is DEAD
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deadley
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May 26, 2014, 08:45:31 AM |
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You guys playing on this site should mosey on down to just-dice.com... Atleast you can withdraw from there. nice try MRKLYE, you are advertising JD in ED thread coz ED loosing credibility
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Minnlo
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May 26, 2014, 08:46:11 AM |
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Site is fine for me
down for me for 3-4 hours. And I cant see maintance message also... =\ Try to access http://everydice.com (http rather than https), and it should redirect you to hamster-334.getforge.io, and here is the message. Dear Players and Investors,
First of all we are sorry for the inconvenience. Currently EveryDice is down for maintenance and security check due to recent case. Please be patient while we are working hard to solve this issue as fair as possible.
To avoid misunderstanding, up until now we do not make any statement that our site seed and server has been breached or accusing a player is cheating, it is a possibility but we are still under internal investigation. Please do not make assumption and getting provoked by other users. Our most priority at the moment is to protect database and access to our server, then after everything is settled, we will set the site up with enabled withdrawal but disabled roll.
Regards, Ed
-- Summary of case development since 22 May 2014:
22 May 2014
Max Win around 2 - 3 BTC. Player 1DiCe1 deposited 2.6 BTC. Player 1DiCe1 won ~141 BTC and causing site profit to go down from +95 BTC to -46 BTC. Player 1DiCe1 automatic withdrawal of 6 BTC and manual withdrawal of 50 BTC (total of 56 BTC).
23 May 2014
Player 1DiCe1 deposited 6 BTC. Player 1DiCe1 won ~51 BTC. Site got DDoSed and getting really slow. Player 1DiCe1 automatic withdrawal 5 BTC.
24 May 2014
Player 1DiCe1 won ~24 BTC.
25 May 2014
Max Win around 1 - 2 BTC. Account 1DiCe1 and P-4747 are locked from rolling after new player P-4747 won additional ~50 BTC (so far P-4747 has not contacted us).
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blizeH
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May 26, 2014, 08:53:27 AM |
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That's very odd that 4747 hasn't been in touch - there's 50BTC at stake and you'd have thought he'd be desperate to get his money, assuming he won it legitimately.
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dooglus
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May 26, 2014, 09:03:17 AM |
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22 May 2014
Player 1DiCe1 deposited 2.6 BTC. Player 1DiCe1 won ~141 BTC and causing site profit to go down from +95 BTC to -46 BTC. Player 1DiCe1 automatic withdrawal of 6 BTC and manual withdrawal of 50 BTC (total of 56 BTC).
23 May 2014
Player 1DiCe1 deposited 6 BTC. Player 1DiCe1 won ~51 BTC.
If he won 141 and only withdrew 56 on the 22nd, why did he redeposit on the 23rd? I wonder if this list of events is missing something. People with a balance of 87 BTC generally don't deposit another 6 before continuing to play.
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Joca97
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May 26, 2014, 09:04:34 AM |
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22 May 2014
Player 1DiCe1 deposited 2.6 BTC. Player 1DiCe1 won ~141 BTC and causing site profit to go down from +95 BTC to -46 BTC. Player 1DiCe1 automatic withdrawal of 6 BTC and manual withdrawal of 50 BTC (total of 56 BTC).
23 May 2014
Player 1DiCe1 deposited 6 BTC. Player 1DiCe1 won ~51 BTC.
If he won 141 and only withdrew 56 on the 22nd, why did he redeposit on the 23rd? I wonder if this list of events is missing something. People with a balance of 87 BTC generally don't deposit another 6 before continuing to play. there are big lies here we need to figure out the truth it would be nice if 1dice1 received his coins
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cech4204a
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May 26, 2014, 09:05:03 AM |
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22 May 2014
Player 1DiCe1 deposited 2.6 BTC. Player 1DiCe1 won ~141 BTC and causing site profit to go down from +95 BTC to -46 BTC. Player 1DiCe1 automatic withdrawal of 6 BTC and manual withdrawal of 50 BTC (total of 56 BTC).
23 May 2014
Player 1DiCe1 deposited 6 BTC. Player 1DiCe1 won ~51 BTC.
If he won 141 and only withdrew 56 on the 22nd, why did he redeposit on the 23rd? I wonder if this list of events is missing something. People with a balance of 87 BTC generally don't deposit another 6 before continuing to play. It's missing dice's loss of 92 btc and 52 btc, that's why he deposited, so he was able to get back profits.
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blizeH
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May 26, 2014, 12:02:20 PM |
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Yup, he bet something like 90BTC on one bet and lost, hence the re-deposit, and it was after that that his (and 4747's) crazy win streak happened
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USABRAZIL
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May 26, 2014, 12:20:04 PM |
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You should provide the coins to a trusted escrow, the amount of 1dice1's balance and deduct it from his balance. After a reasonable time has passed the escrow releases the funds (I'd say a couple days) to 1dice1 UNLESS you provide proof that he cheated. You delaying his funds is truly unreasonable 100%. If your excuse was true then you should be working 24/7 into his case. Not getting offline and coming back every 12 hours. Should be around the clock if you are really going to delay payment.
I personally played at everydice twice but after this definitely will not play ever again here. It is bullshit what you are doing. It has been 3 days. If you worked 24 hours straight I guarantee you would have your decision by now.
Checking that provably fair system is works might not take a long time, but other than that we did many things. One of the example is the leak of site seed, this not only involve technical checking and ensure our server has not been compromised, but also questioning all team member involved in the project. We cannot assume this is the case (and lets not), but it is better to be safe than sorry. As you might noticed, few hours ago the site profit goes down ~50 BTC again, this happened after some manual withdrawal. We know that the previous bet event is mathematically unrelated to the future event, so thinking that site will win after losing is fallacy, however, this is quite much for a coincidence. We are really sorry for the inconvenience, but for a moment we will have to ensure everything is legit. The roll function of P-4747 and 1DiCe1 also has been disabled. EveryDice, it has been more than 24 hours, you must pay 1Dice1. Period. I run a scratchticket gambling site. When I started my site, I was fully aware of the risks that variances mean to the house bankroll. On my site, I have a background process that runs that tells me when a betters results (wins/losses) are exceptionally lucky. If you are outside 4 standard deviations from the norm, that's pretty damn lucky. These results are flagged for manual review. However, unless I can PROVE fraud within 12 hours of so, I must pay out. This is the risk the house takes when it develops (or licenses) its software and puts in place its security procedures. If someone rips you off, than it is still your fault and if you can't prove fraud within 12 hours, pay him. This is the cost of business. When you find out how they did it, fix it. But for now, you are completely killing your own site by undermining every ounce of trust everyone has in you. My guess is that if I ran a statistical analysis on the betting history you released for 1Dice1, it would show the guy (gal) is damn lucky but statistically within the reasonable realm of possibilities. Pay him unless you can 100% prove fraud. Well said!!!
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Yuki1988
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May 26, 2014, 01:15:11 PM |
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22 May 2014
Player 1DiCe1 deposited 2.6 BTC. Player 1DiCe1 won ~141 BTC and causing site profit to go down from +95 BTC to -46 BTC. Player 1DiCe1 automatic withdrawal of 6 BTC and manual withdrawal of 50 BTC (total of 56 BTC).
23 May 2014
Player 1DiCe1 deposited 6 BTC. Player 1DiCe1 won ~51 BTC.
If he won 141 and only withdrew 56 on the 22nd, why did he redeposit on the 23rd? I wonder if this list of events is missing something. People with a balance of 87 BTC generally don't deposit another 6 before continuing to play. It's missing dice's loss of 92 btc and 52 btc, that's why he deposited, so he was able to get back profits. If he won 141 and then lost 92, he should have only won 49 or 50 after rounding, then why did the site profit went down from +95 to -46?
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