[ANN]Faircoin - MULTIPOOL PAYS --- 20%--- BONUS! for the next week!!

[ekoja]

Not quite big thing stop one day apply or just start again.
  We have big community nothing serious.
We recovery from dead last time，this time we wil overcome unfair
Regards Fac china

Exactly. I'm speaking to Mintpal devs atm and asking if they can try to remove only the 'botted' votes and keep the hard work.

Don't panic. We're a big community with legit workers here.

+1

[y3804]

Here's what I am suggesting to the Mintpal devs;

Your security protocols need major improvements.

1. Why are you allowing registration with pro-spam email domains such as 10minutemail.com?
You should only allow domains which require comprehensive verification (i.e. referer, phone/text verification, e.g. Hotmail, Gmail, Yahoo).

2. The one transaction requirement is BS. Please consider adding an account creation date requirement of at least two weeks.

3. Why are you allowing more than one account / IP address? I was able to register multiple accounts on a single network (I never tested the upper limit, but I assume you failed to implement a check). CloudFlare is not a smart bot detector

4. You should ban VPN/TOR nodes, (I see they AREN'T banned). I'm able to access my Mintpal account from TOR.

LASTLY, I would highly recommend stripping ONLY the bot votes (i.e not sent from a verified anti-spam domain, not a fixed IP location, etc.)

Destroying a coin's reputation for its bot voters is completely unacceptable.YOU failed to implement checks to ban bot voters. Don't shift the blame on the entire coin community.

If you fail to answer my concerns, I'll stop trading at Mintpal entirely.

[ekoja]

Here's what I am suggesting to the Mintpal devs;

Your security protocols need major improvements. Why are you allowing registration with pro-spam email domains such as 10minutemail.com?
You should only allow domains which require comprehensive verification (i.e. referer, phone/text verification, e.g. Hotmail, Gmail, Yahoo).
I would highly recommend stripping ONLY the bot votes (i.e not sent from a verified domain, not a fixed IP location) and only allowing ONE account / IP address (which you failed to implement).

Destroying a coin's reputation for its bot voters is completely unacceptable.

And there is still another possibility that the FairCoin haters will use bot to 'HELP' us.

[kcanup]

Hi,

I understand your frustration, however there has 100% been bot activity providing the vast majority of the votes for the coin. For example - three users have created around 35 accounts between them, deposited a tiny amount of DGB and made a single trade, who each vote systematically 5x per hour 24hrs a day.

We will not being going back on the decision to suspend FAC for 24 hours. We will bring it back after this time period with 20% of the free votes in tact and keeping 100% of the BTC payment votes.

I'm afraid there was nothing we could do as other coins have been voting fairly, you should be directing your anger at the people who set up the bots and tried to cheat the system.

Regards,
Jay
​MintPal

[ekoja]

Hi,

I understand your frustration, however there has 100% been bot activity providing the vast majority of the votes for the coin. For example - three users have created around 35 accounts between them, deposited a tiny amount of DGB and made a single trade, who each vote systematically 5x per hour 24hrs a day.

We will not being going back on the decision to suspend FAC for 24 hours. We will bring it back after this time period with 20% of the free votes in tact and keeping 100% of the BTC payment votes.

I'm afraid there was nothing we could do as other coins have been voting fairly, you should be directing your anger at the people who set up the bots and tried to cheat the system.

Regards,
Jay
​MintPal

No, we direct our anger at an idiot who allows such a flaw to exist in their website. What did the backend for this website run you 50 grand? Yet people can make 50 accounts deposit 10 dgb and bot vote.. Mintpal owned by a 16 year old?

Update your system, limit accounts per IP, allow 1 vote per BTC in a users account, etc. Problem solved.

Take it easy..    The true reason making MintPal angry is NOT the unfairness of using bot-voting, but the fact they will earn less money!

Buy votes: YES! 
Otherwise: NO!

It's their logic.

[kcanup]

I am wondering who are these three users?  

[MinersUnion]

Hi,

I understand your frustration, however there has 100% been bot activity providing the vast majority of the votes for the coin. For example - three users have created around 35 accounts between them, deposited a tiny amount of DGB and made a single trade, who each vote systematically 5x per hour 24hrs a day.

We will not being going back on the decision to suspend FAC for 24 hours. We will bring it back after this time period with 20% of the free votes in tact and keeping 100% of the BTC payment votes.

I'm afraid there was nothing we could do as other coins have been voting fairly, you should be directing your anger at the people who set up the bots and tried to cheat the system.

Regards,
Jay
​MintPal

We condemn bots and hate them more than you do. We take FAC seriously and want it to have a great reputation. By all means discard every bot vote and ban those accounts forever.

But keep the legitimate votes! People here have been working hard on this. Throwing away 80% of the votes ARBITRARILY is outrageous! Let us keep the legitimate votes we worked hard to achieve.

For all we know another coin group might have used a bot on our coin just to get out of the list.
It's a great way to eliminate competition. And your system allows it. Don't punish us for it!

[kcanup]

We condone using bots and hate it more than you do. We take FAC seriously and want it to have a great reputation. By all means discard every bot vote and ban those accounts forever.

But keep the legitimate votes! People here have been working hard on this. Throwing away 80% of the votes ARBITRARILY is outrageous! Let us keep the legitimate votes we worked hard to achieve.

For all we know another coin group might have used a bot on our coin just to get out of the list.
It's a great way to eliminate competition. And your system allows it. Don't punish us for it!

I submitted your lines with as a reply of my Ticket, we can vote again by tomorrow after 24 hours ban. 
Stupid fucking bots or may be a conspiracy to damage FAC's reputation 

[y3804]

Wait guys. I think we will be re-enabled way before the 24H limit. Wait for my word

[MinersUnion]

I submitted your lines with as a reply of my Ticket, we can vote again by tomorrow after 24 hours ban.  
Stupid fucking bots or may be a conspiracy to damage FAC's reputation  

Great! Here's an improved message over the previous one, now stating that if bots were used, we condone it entirely, and ask that only bot votes will be removed so not to hurt the great work done by this community.

Dear Mintpal team,

I don't understand how it is possible that you've removed Fair-Coin from the vote list. We are a very large and dedicated community acting together to get the coin into the exchange, voting legitimately every hour, with friends from all over the world.

Moreover, we have donated real BTC for our cause, so using bots that might hurt FAC in voting is strictly illogical. If your system allows abuse by bots, any coin can be targeted and punished. Somebody could write a bot and apply it to other coins to eliminate competition. Check out our community and you will learn we are all real people, and we have worked hard to push FAC up that list. Really, visit us and you will see.

We condemn bots entirely, and agree 100% that bot votes must be discarded - but not our own hard work. Throwing away 80% of the votes arbitrarily with no explanation is a dire insult to the dedicated MintPal users that voted day and night to promote our community's interest. These people are the backbone of your business and the true pioneers of crypto currency.

I will be suspending my MintPal activity for the near future until the organic effort of our community is preserved. As a MintPal customer, I am very disappointed and think you could have taken a better course of action. You still can.

Yours,
-your handle-

[MinersUnion]

I think you mean we do NOT condone bots.. lol

Sorry, meant to say "condemn". I'm a bit tired but trying my best for this community.

Fixed it. Please fix it in your own quote in case somebody actually uses that.

[vis]

I just wanna point out that 5 votes an hours * 24 hours * 35 accounts = 4200 votes per day.

[vis]

I just wanna point out that 5 votes an hours * 24 hours * 35 accounts = 4200 votes per day.

which basically means maybe some asshole created bots that are just enough to cause the coin to be accused of botting
because we really can do without those 4200 votes

[Sebastien256]

I just wanna point out that 5 votes an hours * 24 hours * 35 accounts = 4200 votes per day.

which basically means maybe some asshole created bots that are just enough to cause the coin to be accused of botting
because we really can do without those 4200 votes

ouch, noway it is justify to remove 80% vote!

[feina24h]

so we all lost authentic votes too,stupid bots.i voted after every 1 hour for nothing 

[MinersUnion]

I just wanna point out that 5 votes an hours * 24 hours * 35 accounts = 4200 votes per day.

which basically means maybe some asshole created bots that are just enough to cause the coin to be accused of botting
because we really can do without those 4200 votes

ouch, noway it is justify to remove 80% vote!

If this pisses you off, use my message from the previous page (or something similar) and let them know we want our organic, real work to stay intact. Go ahead and remove all bot votes, but don't punish us for what could actually be an attack on FairCoin.

[hunterx]

Here's what I am suggesting to the Mintpal devs;

Your security protocols need major improvements.

1. Why are you allowing registration with pro-spam email domains such as 10minutemail.com?
You should only allow domains which require comprehensive verification (i.e. referer, phone/text verification, e.g. Hotmail, Gmail, Yahoo).

2. The one transaction requirement is BS. Please consider adding an account creation date requirement of at least two weeks.

3. Why are you allowing more than one account / IP address? I was able to register multiple accounts on a single network (I never tested the upper limit, but I assume you failed to implement a check). CloudFlare is not a smart bot detector

4. You should ban VPN/TOR nodes, (I see they AREN'T banned). I'm able to access my Mintpal account from TOR.

LASTLY, I would highly recommend stripping ONLY the bot votes (i.e not sent from a verified anti-spam domain, not a fixed IP location, etc.)

Destroying a coin's reputation for its bot voters is completely unacceptable.YOU failed to implement checks to ban bot voters. Don't shift the blame on the entire coin community.

If you fail to answer my concerns, I'll stop trading at Mintpal entirely.

You used disposable emails to create multiple accounts? For what? voting for Faircoin every hour while accessing Mintpal with TOR network. Stupid! You are one of those people who should be blame because you are destroying the coins reputation. Tsk tsk tsk

[kidyubyub]

Here's what I am suggesting to the Mintpal devs;

Your security protocols need major improvements.

1. Why are you allowing registration with pro-spam email domains such as 10minutemail.com?
You should only allow domains which require comprehensive verification (i.e. referer, phone/text verification, e.g. Hotmail, Gmail, Yahoo).

2. The one transaction requirement is BS. Please consider adding an account creation date requirement of at least two weeks.

3. Why are you allowing more than one account / IP address? I was able to register multiple accounts on a single network (I never tested the upper limit, but I assume you failed to implement a check). CloudFlare is not a smart bot detector

4. You should ban VPN/TOR nodes, (I see they AREN'T banned). I'm able to access my Mintpal account from TOR.

LASTLY, I would highly recommend stripping ONLY the bot votes (i.e not sent from a verified anti-spam domain, not a fixed IP location, etc.)

Destroying a coin's reputation for its bot voters is completely unacceptable.YOU failed to implement checks to ban bot voters. Don't shift the blame on the entire coin community.

If you fail to answer my concerns, I'll stop trading at Mintpal entirely.

You used disposable emails to create multiple accounts? For what? voting for Faircoin every hour while accessing Mintpal with TOR network. Stupid! You are one of those people who should be blame because you are destroying the coins reputation. Tsk tsk tsk

I think you are missing the larger picture of his email. He is not stating that he used these types of emails to vote multiple times, but rather to test their security protocols. If you don't want your young children falling in the pool, you put up a fence to keep them out. Same basic logic applies here. You don't want bots voting, put up security controls to block them.

[MinersUnion]

Good news -

I just received a message from Jay through email saying "we can now remove the exact amounts found to be added by bots for all coins".

So I guess 80% is no more.
They will just remove the automated votes!

[y3804]

Good news -

I just received a message from Jay through email saying "we can now remove the exact amounts found to be added by bots for all coins".

So I guess 80% is no more.
They will just remove the automated votes!

Nope. That's not what he told me. He will remove the automated votes in the future, but the 80% is fixed in stone for FAC

Here is an excerpt (the very last part) of my conversation with  Jay, dev of Mintpal:

(This conversation depicts the attitude of Jay who runs Mintpal. A greedy, unresponsive piece of shit)

https://i.imgur.com/VvgXDP0.png

And then I asked him for a refund of my donation

https://i.imgur.com/84NFHve.png

I agree I was somewhat agressive, but man, he didn't want to share any thought on the 80% number. Fixed in stone. He didn't want to give me a # of bot votes (which I personally approximate to be less than 10K, for sure). I couldn't get anything out of him