Lauda, MinerJones, Blazed | Missing escrow funds

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Sure buddy. Here's an example I posted myself: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2829282.

Looking back at that episode it does look weird, but people were doing strange things with merit in the very early days of the system.  People for whatever reason didn't think 50 merit grants were a big deal, and older, well-established members were getting huge amounts of merit regardless of how objectively good their posts were.  That cooled down eventually, but that just isn't how it was right when the merit system was created.

And I'd point out that Lauda has since left aTriz a negative.  That sort of wipes out the usefulness of that merit Lauda left.

By the way I'm not Lauda, regardless of what Quickseller may tell you.  It hasn't gone unnoticed that QS hasn't made that claim lately.  In fact he seems to have stopped making it once there was some money to be lost on a bet that he could produce proof.

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[BeBlockTech]

I tell you; even when rock hard proof is provided in this thread that Lauda was scamming, other DT members will still refuse to stop supporting him. It happened before.

It happened here and happened before? Rock hard proof? Could you please gather and link sources for this? Thanks.

I can tell one thing about this Lauda, the person behind this profile has been accused way to many time on this forum. So many times that it is impossible for him/her to deny not being an honest individual. If there was some kind of reward here on the forum for such individuals (like jail in the outside world for criminals), Lauda would definitely be the winner...

[suchmoon]

I tell you; even when rock hard proof is provided in this thread that Lauda was scamming, other DT members will still refuse to stop supporting him. It happened before.

It happened here and happened before? Rock hard proof? Could you please gather and link sources for this? Thanks.

I can tell one thing about this Lauda, the person behind this profile has been accused way to many time on this forum. So many times that it is impossible for him/her to deny not being an honest individual. If there was some kind of reward here on the forum for such individuals (like jail in the outside world for criminals), Lauda would definitely be the winner...

Accused mainly by (1) people red-tagged by Lauda, and (2) Quicksy's gang of alts.

BTW in the "outside world" people generally don't go to jail on mere accusations, at least that's not how it's supposed to work. And this forum already has a "reward" system in the form of trust ratings.

[Anduck]

It happened here and happened before? Rock hard proof? Could you please gather and link sources for this? Thanks.

Sure buddy. Here's an example I posted myself: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2829282.

This is at best some merit system misuse. Can you show some proof of scamming, or even link to evidence supporting such claims?

[Deena]

I tell you; even when rock hard proof is provided in this thread that Lauda was scamming, other DT members will still refuse to stop supporting him. It happened before.

It happened here and happened before? Rock hard proof? Could you please gather and link sources for this? Thanks.

Sure buddy. Here's an example I posted myself: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2829282.

This is at best some merit system misuse. Can you show some proof of scamming, or even link to evidence supporting such claims?

Not all scams are direct monetary scams. Of course my example can be called also 'merit system misuse'. But the fact that all other cases of merit misuse are punished by DT members with red trust, but not that of Lauda, justifies my estimation that DT members will not stop supporting Lauda when financial scams are proven.

Simply read how The Pharmacist above tries to justify Lauda's merit misuse. Do you think he would use the same arguments for any random other member? No way; he would tag that member immediately negative. Which also shows that the trust system is abused by DT members, lead by the biggest trust abuser; Lauda. And he gets away with all that abuse because a certain group around him will defend him no matter what he will do, even when he will conduct a monetary scam.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

Do you think he would use the same arguments for any random other member? No way; he would tag that member immediately negative.

I was talking about the behavior in January.  I never tagged anyone for giving huge merit awards in January.  I rarely tag anyone for merit abuse, only the worst and most obvious cases of it.  Check the feedback I left and tell me when the first time I left a neg for merit abuse was.  Early on it was a weird new system and we were all getting used to it.

Either way I realize there's no way I'm going to convince you of anything, nor is there a point to arguing with you.  You can believe what you want.

[Deena]

I rarely tag anyone for merit abuse,

Right. 'Only' 63 merit abusers were tagged by you.  




Some random shots:

Either way I realize there's no way I'm going to convince you of anything, nor is there a point to arguing with you.  You can believe what you want.

Indeed; with such figures opposing your talk you are not going to convince me, nor anyone else outside the group of Lauda defenders.

[allahabadi]

Accused mainly by (1) people red-tagged by Lauda, and (2) Quicksy's gang of alts.

I'm neither and I accuse Lauda of not doing proper DD and letting a scammer like aTriz run amok on this forum using her/his credentials and trust.

BTW in the "outside world" people generally don't go to jail on mere accusations, at least that's not how it's supposed to work. And this forum already has a "reward" system in the form of trust ratings.

Trust and Merit ratings are not a reward system for anything. It is just a parameter of agreeability and likeability.




P.S. @Deena although I don't agree with quite a few things u have said; I'd suggest that there is no use barking at the dogs of paw-licking coterie...

P.P.S. Especially a sister-fucker operating a pharma... He's simple saddened that his sister died of his fucking and comes here to vent his sexual frustration...



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back to topic please. then still no answers.

What is the multisig address that the escrow funds were being held in?

How did the funds end up on Bittrex?

@vlom You are such a positive person.

[vlom]

back to topic please. then still no answers.

What is the multisig address that the escrow funds were being held in?

How did the funds end up on Bittrex?

[vlom]

back to topic please. then still no answers.

What is the multisig address that the escrow funds were being held in?

How did the funds end up on Bittrex?

well, then. no answer => no multisig address that the escrow funds are in.
the address provided in the ANN is "empty".

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Hash: SHA256

Hello.

I am one of the escrows for the NVO-ICO. The 2-of-3 multi-signature address for this project will be:
3AiGej11G8jUXvEBPvQKPLiHXC7ruUCp1Z

Lauda,
17/05/2017
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Multi-Sig BTC escrow address for the NVO crowdsale:
354jirex7gkFxMiNmN45SxyMxSUsdGcrsf

[Lauda]

Accused mainly by (1) people red-tagged by Lauda, and (2) Quicksy's gang of alts.

Thus why it is a time-wasteful and pointless venture to try discussing baseless accusations against me publicly. If you need any clarification PM me or optimally contact me on Telegram.

well, then. no answer => no multisig address that the escrow funds are in.

The investors are getting answers in appropriate communication channels which are not troll-infested such as this one. Tl;dr: Nothing is missing; the escrows (including coinpayments, who apparently nobody is going after because their name isn't Lauda) have done their job accordingly; there are more funds than what the milestones require.

the address provided in the ANN is "empty".

You don't say Sherlock?

[OgNasty]

The investors are getting answers in appropriate communication channels which are not troll-infested such as this one. Tl;dr: Nothing is missing; the escrows (including coinpayments, who apparently nobody is going after because their name isn't Lauda) have done their job accordingly; there are more funds than what the milestones require.

Sign an address with the funds. It is that simple. Failure to do so can only be described as you being incompetent, a liar, or a scammer.

[vlom]

The investors are getting answers in appropriate communication channels which are not troll-infested such as this one. Tl;dr: Nothing is missing; the escrows (including coinpayments, who apparently nobody is going after because their name isn't Lauda) have done their job accordingly; there are more funds than what the milestones require.

i would appreciate to read something from MinerJones and Blazed. Doing nothing is not doing nothing.

[Boudali.Miloud]

@wtf_is_going_on
You’re forgetting the 4th escrow: Alex Alexandrov, Chairman and CEO of Coinpayments who was put in charge of the maidsafe coins pledged in the crowdsale.
He should also provide an audit of these coins in a public and transparent manner.
It would tell us what happened to the 229,644 MAID he sent from the escrow address 1Mt7MCS6b6hemmL63hZjAdLtbqxCVmh2CZ to Bittrex on Aug 18, 2017.
It might also dispel the rumors that those coins were sold and the proceeds used to partially reimburse Coinpayments users who lost all of their XRP in the “hack” of June 5/17.

[Lauda]

It might also dispel the rumors that those coins were sold and the proceeds used to partially reimburse Coinpayments users who lost all of their XRP in the “hack” of June 5/17.

Who exactly is spreading these rumors and where? Another shill account spreading nonsense.

[suchmoon]

Accused mainly by (1) people red-tagged by Lauda, and (2) Quicksy's gang of alts.

I'm neither

I don't believe you.

[actmyname]

I rarely tag anyone for merit abuse,

Right. 'Only' 63 merit abusers were tagged by you. 

Never mind the fact that you used the "find" feature and searched for merit to which you would get duplicate results on individual feedback comments. Even if I'm generous and let you have that number of 63, if you compare that to the number of negatives that The Pharmacist has sent out in total, then these instances make up a small amount. Hence, rarely.

[Deena]

Never mind the fact that you used the "find" feature and searched for merit to which you would get duplicate results on individual feedback comments. Even if I'm generous and let you have that number of 63, if you compare that to the number of negatives that The Pharmacist has sent out in total, then these instances make up a small amount. Hence, rarely.

I could refute this shaky defense. It are the same members defending each others lies and incoherencies over and over again. But I respect and agree with the quote below:

back to topic please. then still no answers.

[endlasuresh]

He will never answer correctly, in the past Lauda told that he don't belong to ALU services, now he seriously tell I don't own Escrow Services.

I havent seen Theymos  who never take care of these forums.

Enough proofs have been provided in the past that Lauda scams or at least practises thing for which all normal users are tagged with negative trust. Unfortunately there are a bunch of high placed members who seem to profit from Lauda's scams and they keep backing him (making themselved fellow scammers).

I have asked Theymos for attention regarding this situation but got ignored. The only thing I read him post is that he was irritated about how DT trust was centralized. However he does not interfere. I also pointed out how this forum is not being ruled by clear principles but by patchwork here and there. I guess it'll be a money thing or otherwise a lack of philosophical insight. But the normal and honest users are being victimized on this forum by this principleless government with its olichargic bunch of scammers, led by Lauda.

I tell you; even when rock hard proof is provided in this thread that Lauda was scamming, other DT members will still refuse to stop supporting him. It happened before. That's why Theymos actually should interfere.

If he was REALLY Theymos, then he could have taken care of this forums. Lauda not only a scammer, but also extornist from hist past thread.
I don't know why this thread is locked https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4566587.0 and wapinter got positive ratings LOL
https://archive.li/Vhzcv.

Back to the topic and waiting to see Lauda stats.

[vlom]

this is not about Lauda. This is about what happened with the NVO money and what the escrows did. And there where three (four) of them: Lauda, MinerJones, Blazed and (CoinPayments).
This does not change anything. Proof is still needed. But i have to admit that i am loosing faith.

written be Ton:
https://www.reddit.com/r/NVO/comments/9627up/regarding_coinpayments_one_of_the_escrows/

To clarify on the situation with Coinpayments : Coinpayments is only an escrow and one of the top investors for NVO. They were apart of the project because I(Ton) originally contacted them to help escrow the ICO due to previous working relationship. This decision for Coinpayments to escrow was changed because Imed preferred the three bitcointalk escrows to manage the funds resulting in Coinpayments being only responsible for escrowing a small portion of the funds raised in Maidsafe which they will refund if that is the decision the community has decided. They were never apart of this team and wasn't involved with the decision-making while displaying full support for the creation of a DEX. Coinpayments did not profit in anyway from NVO and is still only an investor. Originally as NVO was supposed to be on the Safenetwork, they invested due to their support for the Maidsafe team. When Imed attacked maidsafe they were in a neutral position and did not get involved. As for Alex, the CEO of coinpayments, he has stated that he will no longer be working with Imed due to breach of trust and has encouraged a buyback/refund due to the current conflict between cofounders. Anyone can verify this statement by contacting Coinpayments.