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March 09, 2017, 11:11:35 AM
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https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/mar/06/russia-revolution-tsarist-school-moscow-nicholas-ii
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https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/politics/a-womans-right-to-equality-has-changed-due-to-socialism/

https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/5yd1ev/polygamy_world_status1160x629/?st=J021Z7E2&sh=a14a567b
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Re: How to change the world in Zen easy lessons

Quote from: Eric S. Raymond
realized everything they believed about themselves and their craft had changed forever

Years downstream from the domino effect of that epiphany, I am hoping governance and cultural evolutionary strategies are the next to be disrupted by Linus’ law and the only known positive scaling law (decentralized paradigm) of groupwise coordination.

@Jon Brase, “think big or go home”.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRZ7MtlMhUE



Paul Brinkley

https://www.quora.com/Should-truth-matter-Why/answer/Paul-Brinkley-1

https://www.quora.com/How-could-I-explain-the-concept-of-liberty-to-my-statist-progressive-college-friends/answer/Paul-Brinkley-1

https://www.quora.com/Is-there-a-currently-existing-functionally-independent-society-with-absolutely-no-government-at-all/answer/Paul-Brinkley-1

https://www.quora.com/Whats-a-math-trick-that-is-not-very-well-known/answer/Paul-Brinkley-1
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March 12, 2017, 12:58:46 AM
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At this point I feel the need to diverge a bit and speak from personal experience, not just to you but for anyone reading... Keep in mind that major cyclical transition turbulence is likely to involve much more than just monetary movements - civil unrest, disease, war, etc. Surviving all of these in the hopes of attaining vast monetary holdings is a trapping of material thinking.

The only things that last through all of this are your relationships and reputations with others. Among consenting parties, what delineates a beneficially constructive relationship or reputation and a harmfully destructive one is the element of control - manipulation and power struggles cause eventual failure and animosity, not to mention the cognitive load incurred in maintaining such a power structure.

Yes, it is certainly possible to attain financial independence and leave the traditional workforce through trading but always trade responsibly and always have an alternative path for yourself, whether a career or hobby. Those around you have value that exceeds any monetary gain - cultivate those relationships more than your account balances.

Being genuinely happy with the fewest things you need to control is indeed the most antifragile happiness along the journey:

The world isn't so neatly ordered as we may want it to be. It is a journey, not comparative level or one-right-way. High horses are for those too blind to see their pedestal teetering on stilts in quicksand. Babylon.

Note there are those who are in a much worse predicament than me. I can't fathom their suffering. I suffered so much and I don't even want to remember it. So I see what these sufferers are going through and I can't even tolerate thinking about it. I feel for them but I don't even want to feel for them. I have no reserve of strength to suffer more (really if they didn't cure this I was getting tired of fighting) to even entertain the thought of suffering. I want to be far away from it for a long while. Perhaps the example of Jesus wasn't to emulate him but to realize he suffered for us, because we aren't capable of suffering all of it (no matter how strong we think we are). I am not becoming religious again, just saying.

If I will become wealthy, I think I must pay for the surgery for those who suffering such this man who will soon go blind without surgery to remove tumors from his face. How could you make this man a little bit happy. The gravity of it.


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March 16, 2017, 11:00:34 AM
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https://www.quora.com/Google-Maps-routinely-steers-unknowing-drivers-in-Rio-de-Janeiro-into-slums-where-they-are-shot-and-killed-by-criminals-Is-Google-addressing-this/answer/Fred-Landis
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March 16, 2017, 12:50:07 PM
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I don't have time to delve into this right now:

http://blog.jim.com/culture/undead-christianity/
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March 16, 2017, 09:44:03 PM
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I don't have time to delve into this right now:

http://blog.jim.com/culture/undead-christianity/
Probably few people believe, much less even think about the afterlife or about the resurrection. A person with such thoughts, as usual came to this because of some kind of life turmoil or failure. Just so, no one has such thoughts in his head.
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March 17, 2017, 07:27:21 AM
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I don't have time to delve into this right now:

http://blog.jim.com/culture/undead-christianity/
Probably few people believe, much less even think about the afterlife or about the resurrection. A person with such thoughts, as usual came to this because of some kind of life turmoil or failure. Just so, no one has such thoughts in his head.



Really? I would say everyone at some point spends some time thinking the meaning of life and if there is an eternal afterlife etc. Most I admit push it back once they superficially process it and most probably conclude we don't know so whats the point worrying about it....especially in western society where eternal things are rarely spoken of. Probably horror movies are the only place in modern western society culture where the issue becomes a subject. I do agree problems in life do often spur people to look for hope in the afterlife when they feel this life comes short.....but even the most successful, rich, talented and powerful are not immune to feeling this life lacks..in fact its often those that have everything in this life wonder whats the point...so it swings both ways.
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March 18, 2017, 08:17:55 AM
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Welcome to StackExchange, a centralized, loony hell that puts women hackers on equal political power footing with male hackers. Bwahahaha.

Btw, this caused them to not just delete the question, but go beyond their usual deletion policy and entirely strip it from even my own view as the creator of the question:

Quote from: ModusTollens
This 45 years old Millennial gladly puts her name on her 'censorship'.

@ModusTollens German hacker females in the mold of Hilter Merkel and her subjugation of the PIIGS to German mercantilism via Euro straightjacket and rapefugees to add icing to the paddling. Reading the patriarchy damned facts in the Dark Enlightenment thread will clue you in on there is nearly nothing you and I would agree on, but you might learn something. Enjoy the crash & burn (SE, the EU, feminism, and everything you endear). P.S. I have partial German ancestry. Smiley

No wonder SE is going into the toilet.
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March 20, 2017, 01:54:01 PM
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I have followed the Dark Enlightenment philosophy for around a year now, I appreciate how many of the internet's communities most full of ingenuity and thoughtfulness tend to coalesce and lead back to one another.  It makes it much easier to find the right path, for example, just stumbling upon this thread on the Bitcoin forum. 

That is an interesting way to distill the phenomenon. I had similar thought but hadn't articulated it.
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March 20, 2017, 01:55:13 PM
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I don't have time to delve into this right now:

http://blog.jim.com/culture/undead-christianity/

Decentralization (fracturing) is the current trend:

https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/world-news/religion/the-civil-war-within-the-catholic-church/
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March 21, 2017, 02:46:08 PM
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Salute to Martin Armstrong for these two blog posts:

https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/international-news/politics/why-obamacare-is-the-biggest-fraud-in-american-history-was-designed-to-be-exactly-that/

https://www.armstrongeconomics.com/armstrongeconomics101/economics/whats-collapsing-socialism-or-capitalism/
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March 22, 2017, 11:02:18 PM
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http://btcbase.org/log/2016-11-19#1570540

Quote from: Mircea Popescu aka MPeX
by and large, the notion that the common man may have a say in his usage / fate is coming to a close. it's some weird shit some dudes pulled out of their ass and then argued persuasively a few centuries ago, it was tried in a massive social experiment, and showed to not work in any conceivable implementation. to call this a trend reversal is to entirely miss that the alternative dominates millenia by the hundreds ; "humanism"
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March 23, 2017, 01:27:50 PM
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Sovereignty.
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China on course to become 'world's most Christian nation' within 15 years

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Wrong model. Outdated. So you have plenty of useless noise (i.e. not leaders but followers), industrial (or agrarian) age Chinese jumping from the groupthink Communism wok into the groupthink religion deep fry:

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As explained above, the mathematical topological space of information is exponential vast, such that having the right answer is exponentially more valuable than having an unbounded quantity of random noise:

The end of democracy

...as a horny if virgin teenager you might have entertained delusions of "totally destroying cunt" once you get your true self or whatever. With any luck you did get to see that no - try as you might, cunt will be still there when you're done, and done you will be. In between these two fundamental distractions, the life of the peasant flows in a very strict servitude to the problem of scale : his work proceeds linearily, for that lovely but ultimately brief interval before fatigue kicks in ; meanwhile the land proceeds by the square. Taking one step delineates an area a quarter as large as taking two steps does. Due to this squares problem, it makes relatively little difference that Joe tires after a hundred and Moe after a hundred nine, and so it is throughout : the extra nine isn't likely to figure much in Suzy's estimation of either of them (and so the natural harem can be flattened into a very contrived "traditional marriage"), nor does the extra drop drunk make any visible difference in the barrel, and so politics proceed on a fundamental basis of equality and equanimity : have ye enough drink and then have ye enough words. And then go home.

On the other hand, bravery is exactly opposite of this. Giving a man ten coins instead of one does not make that man a hundred times as likely to stand fast ; nor even ten times, and perhaps not even as much as the one. A single, bravest knight pays more than the whole sum of his inferiors together, because of exactly inverse geometric rules involved in warfare - which is fundamentally why jousting competitions were a big deal, but speedfarming competitions never interested anyone.

This settles feudalism : on one hand each peasant's exactly fungible with each other peasant, whereas one single faithful knight's not to be traded for the whole world. As a direct result of this situation in the field, the political forms are absolutist monarchy, and the religion is monotheistic and so on.

But time goes on, and lo! The industrial revolution is upon us.

On one hand working, as opposed to farming, is still a deeply equalizing experience, but the drivers have now slightly changed. It's no longer the silent ground, stalking the lone worm, waiting for him to tire of his toil, biding its time to sneak up behind him and swallow him whole. Instead the machine now awaits a moment's inattention to chomp down just a part, while hunger and disease dance a merry jig in the corners. The reward for performance has also changed slightly - it's not quite but almost linear, a worker twice as skilled is just about twice as valuable.

On the other hand being a merchant is much less demanding than being a knight. Addition and multiplication can be learned, and so can the whole trade. It does require a lively mind and a ready capacity for attention in the knaveii, but then again these are much more common than bravery and valor are - demanding virtues most expensive and difficult to train.

This settles "modernity", or however you wish to call it, the last half millenium or so, give or take : on one hand the proletariat is slightly less fungible than the peasants were ; on the other hand merchants are slightly more fungible than the knights were. As a necessary result societal mores do allign closer to the values of the peasant, and further away from the values of the knight. More equality, less meritocracy, more "humanity", less "cruelty", more "respect", less "honor", socialism (however you would double-speak it, nazism, communism, democracy, all the same) follows necessarily.

It is important to note here that this is to no degree "revolutionary", in no sense novel, and by no measure anyone's merit. Water finding a new level should you incline the bucket does not result in identifying rando H2O molecules to credit with "having led the wave" or "discovered the new level". For one thing, they didn't discover anything, they were, like their obscure equals, randomly distributed within a spray. Some section thereof was later cemented by events, but to pretend relationship between this happenstance and the happenstancers is ridiculous. I understand you're desperate to make a name for yourself because you imagine that you may thus escape military service - please understand this makes no differenceiii.

But lo! Changes are afoot!

Industry is quite obviously well overiv and in that process the world has changed quite substantially.

On one hand, the social media [l]user no longer has any value or utility, and with that certainly no power whatsoever. Incapable to survive on his own, let alone produce any sort of surplus, he is fungible to a degree flesh and blood peasants of yore never were : barely a row in a database somewhere, much closer to the stuff of daydreams than actual reality.

On the other hand, being a content producerv is incredibly difficult and incredibly rare. Not only can it not be trained, not even to the modest degree bravery and valor could be trained into the knight, but it exhibits a very active antieconomy of scale! To illustrate this concept - admitting for a second that the nameless ability in question is one and measurable by a scalar - it is the case that a group of ten producers each worth 10 units of productive worth will output LESS than a group of three producers each worth 12 units of productive worth. Yes, 3 * 12 = 36 is more, much more actually, than 10 * 10, because in this field multiplication is a very different beast than the quaint operand you're used to from your merchant class. As counterintuitive as all this may soundvi, it is nevertheless the sad state of affairs : give me three decisive men and I can overturn a world that millions of derps can't otherwise keep functioning.

And so, to keep it short and sweet : I will by my own hand abolish democracy, and through no sort of "civil war". The simple workings of economical attrition will suffice. By the blessing of the trite yet incontrovertible fact that you - all of you - can not keep up with usvii, a precious few of us, your world will come undone. All we have to do is reject most of you, systematically, and keep working. Delusions as to how anyone could in any manner oppose thisviii, or that the evolution in question is anything but nude, rude and unavoidable historical necessity may taste sweet, but other than that taste produce no further fruit. You will go where the level goes and that's all there is to it.

Note that I take no merit in any of this. Figuring out which way the wind blows does not make one a "wind magician" or anything of the sort. I understand you're used to hearing a different melody from your traditional shamans and whatever elses, but really, wouldn't you say it's time you grew up already ?

Interesting that the above essay is essentially the same as my Rise of Knowledge, Demise of Finance essay (which predates his by a few years) in that it is pointing out how knowledge or leadership is non-fungible and how it becomes the post-industrial age economy.

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The future will be decentralized, free, and religious.

I don't understand how someone can be (even partially) mind-controlled by a belief which is not falsifiable, and simultaneously claim they are free and are not centrally controlled to some extent.

As I see it, they are conditioned to being dependent on control due to their history with Communism, thus as their society is opening up more to the world, and they have more freedom of choice, they choose to improve Communism by replacing it with slightly less destructive form of top-down control. I guess you can call that an improvement, but it seems to be not in pace with the rapid devolution of top-down structure that is coming in the knowledge age where clarify of mind and forming correct knowledge will critical to one's performance.

Christianity is fracturing/splintering as JAD recently lamented and Armstrong also noted.

Myself trying to become a Christian from 2006 - 2010 was "peak religion" for the world, because I was one of the staunchest defenders of the impossibility of absolutes in morals in my youth. So when I capitulated (lost my mind), that had to have been the peak. It should be all downhill from here...

I don't wish on anyone that delusion that gripped me. I look at the photo and I want to see very nice people and wish them the best. But then I remember what a horrible thing mind control and zealotry is. Finally I think I have the fortitude to resist, because my heart really wants to love "the good" but now I realize that emotion wasn't rational and was manipulating my mind.
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Deflationary crypto-currency will correspond with a change from debt-based, industrial age to investment-based, knowledge age.
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Shelby; If you would need to assess the relative seniority of me and Mircea Popescu, which criteria would you use?

Hi Risto. Please excuse my atrocious ignorance, naivete, and cluelessness w.r.t. the underworld of darkhigh finance. This is a strange new terrain for me. I feel like a child who is struggling to take his first steps without stumbling onto my face.

In particular I would really like to understand what is different if anything about your perspective/approach compared to MP's economic philosophy and assessment of the value of humanity. MP seems to think those with the most wealth should be in control of the monetary system yet he hates democracy and mass marketing because he sees those as ways of enslaving the stupid masses in a farcical, house-of-cards, debt-based economic system. Perhaps it can't be any other way? My technological approach with my attempt to find an improvement to Satoshi's design, has been to try to find a design in which nobody is in control.

So I would judge your ability to enlighten me on these issues—either in public or private communication—as the critieria.

Without publicizing any specific event, your actions indicate you are wealthy.

He wrote about you:


Quote from: jalopybrown
Assuming your the real MP what are your thoughts on the wacky Finnish 'supernode' guy?

Pretty good job.

Quote from: jalopybrown
Mircea Popescu is the owner of MPEX which is pretty much the buttcoin stock exchange, he's famous for lasting longer than most bitcoin businesses without failing and hiring an ex-spammer to do PR on bitcointalk despite her having the same level of charm and interpersonal skills as Josh.

No, actually, most recently I'm famous for fixing the price of Bitcoin back in early April, muchly humiliating Max Keiser in the process, and for leading the MtGox collapse by about two months. The rumour du jour at the Google I/O sloppy seconds conference thing they're doing currently is that in fact Gox' demise was pre-arranged and then announced privately to a secret group during my private and at the time secret conference last month.

Before that I was famous for calling various other "news" and "shocking & surprising developments" a month or two in advance, the girls are keeping a list somewhere.

Quote from: Russell William Thorpe
I work with poor people from a third world, Spanish speaking island called "Holyoke, Massachusetts". If they have Internet, it's through their phones, because they can't afford that and a modern pc, cable Internet, or a car, etc. How the hell are they supposed to download a 10 gigabyte block chain? I guess they could give out the block chain on DVD or Blu-Ray. Ok, to use this currency, first you need a copy of every transaction anybody has ever made...

I'm pretty sure nobody involved actually cares about these guys you work with, or poor people in general. This is a little like asking "but how are the thirld worlders from Holyoke Mass going to handle their own private jets". Well... they aren't.

Quote from: Lucy Heartfilia
1) Butts don't scale up at all.
2) Because of 1, decreasing mining rewards, greed and mining being ruled by an oligopoly transaction fees will skyrocket.
3) Butts are inconvenient.
4) Butts are insecure.

Why bitcoins will ultimately go down:
2) Exchanges are run by idiots. This is where the government already intervened.
3) Everyone who uses butts is either an idiot (largest proportion), scammer or otherwise criminal and oftentimes both at the same time. This is the case because non-dumbs and people with legal transactions can easily use other services.
4) This is a long shot, but I believe in the future all transactions will have names attached to them and cash will be phased out. It's just a matter of adoption and convenience now.

Apparently you're unaware who exactly you're talking to, which is chuckle worthy. Here's a thought : at the last count I was worth something north of 3/4 million Butts. Now what ?
(Yes, your numbered list consists of nonsense, most of it self-defeating, some of it self contradictory etc. But that's neither here nor there, what's a list these days, anyone's got one.)

In the last statement quoted above, MP is referring to the fact that what the USG.MIT mass media is painting onto Bitcoin is not what Bitcoin really is. Behind the curtain are whales who are changing the world from a debt-based industrial age to a more meritocratic knowledge age. Again I more than concur with MP's logic on this facet, and I even wrote my Rise of Knowledge, Demise of [Usury] Finance essay several years before the first instance of a similar elucidation I've found from him on his blog (of course he may have had those ideas much earlier, ditto for myself).

Perhaps I don't have the same valuation of humanity as he does. I don't entirely devalue the poor. Maybe he has similar logic to mine and just isn't communicating his ideas effectively to me. Essentially my major disagreement with MP seems to revolve around the mathematical fact which MP also derived, that is essentially Taleb's anti-fragility. It seems that MP punts to a hierarchical system of control, e.g. Satoshi's PoW ledger. But what if instead we had a way to encode the laws of physics into a monetary ledger such that nobody was in control, i.e. not a winner-take-all power vacuum of non-resilience? Wouldn't that be preferred?


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What do you think about the developers frequently receiving threats by bitcoiners? Or the guild and certain developers trying to push for a centralised validation services?

Bitcointalk is a collection of mostly poor, mostly uneducated, mostly bizarre folk you wouldn't have on your lawn/daughter/whatever. The various shit they do is representative of Bitcoin in the sense Jeremiah Wright is representative of xtians or Cornel West is representative of academia. Specifically about threaths... I get threatened all the time on teh Interwebs. I've never managed to care (yes I'm aware "the FBI takes internet threats very seriously", but I've never managed to care about that, either).

People will always try to push for centralised something or the other as long as they figure they'll have more market share of the centralised thing than they do now. As various failures are pushed aside to rot into irrelevance they're certain to try and find some sympathetic ear to enforce protectionist measures for them too (que Winklewhoever doods ranting about "regulation"). That topic is best served here.

In short I don't think either are suprising or important.
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You wanted to understand money and the knowledge age.

Here is all the dark enlightenment readers will ever need. Make sure you click the link in the linked post, which will take you to my main elucidation.
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Re: Miner cartel, Bankster cartel, or an altcoin? Your choice?

I believe what Nash meant is that if there exists a deflationary currency, then the private fractional reserve issuers of long-term loans would have a problem. This is because those who demand exchange to a currency at par to the deflationary currency, demand more over time of any currency which is inflationary or less deflationary.

A deflationary decentralized currency makes private banking non-viable. My blockchain consensus design checkmates Bitcoin's, because PoW can't be deflationary, because the miners either have to be paid with minting and/or transaction fees.

Any way, private banking is going away naturally because private banking is only really viable for fixed capital loans wherein the bank can calculate NAV and cash flow reliably. The knowledge age is incompatible with such financial computations.

Checkmate on Bitcoin, MP and his $billions. I had warned him last year. His control and wealth is going away. Ditto all the banksters. They will own the death of the fixed capital investment age (i.e. industrial age and capex projects), but the knowledge age will bifurcate away from their influence. I predicted all this many years ago.

As explained above, the mathematical topological space of information is exponential vast, such that having the right answer is exponentially more valuable than having an unbounded quantity of random noise:

The end of democracy

...

Interesting that the above essay is essentially the same as my Rise of Knowledge, Demise of Finance essay (which predates his by a few years) in that it is pointing out how knowledge or leadership is non-fungible and how it becomes the post-industrial age economy.



not sure i was aware you were in this thread at that time. Also the dialogue gets easier when there is a collective understanding of a stable [fungible] unit of value.

Money is an information system which attempts to optimize the allocation of our perception of value, so that production is maximized.

But as I have explained and posited upthread, the demise of fungible endeavors in the knowledge age, is reducing the efficacy of fungible finance. Finance won't die overnight, but I posit an inexorable trend is underway.
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You wanted to understand money and the knowledge age.

Here is all the dark enlightenment readers will ever need. Make sure you click the link in the linked post, which will take you to my main elucidation.
I probably did not fully understand what was being said, but in our hard life, people do not need dark enlightenment. We very rarely look into our souls and therefore it is possible that the repair can absorb us.
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