I've just awarded this guy with 3 merits

[Don Pedro Dinero]

See, that’s what I was saying:

If your mother tongue is not English but you have a good English level, you can copy-paste paragraphs written in other languages, using a translator and then revising it to make it sound natural, so he might have copied more paragraphs used in his posts.

Your merited post is plagiarized as well.
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Google translated from Russian.

How did you do that? Did you translate what he wrote into Russian and then googled it? My problem was that I didn’t know for sure if it was Russian but I could have tried.

This post is the most exciting one I’ve seen in months. So, now what is going to happen to him? I think he can’t be nuked as he isn’t a newbie anymore. Or can he?

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[Jet Cash]

It can't be the Russians. I reckon he is an FBI plant, and he's posting to use Bitcoin Talk to force the impeachment of Donald Trump.

[Don Pedro Dinero]

Not surprising. After all, Satoshi was a FBI plant as well.

[Helana]

This post is the most exciting one I’ve seen in months. So, now what is going to happen to him? I think he can’t be nuked as he isn’t a newbie anymore. Or can he?

Agree. The forum has been a little boring for the last month, and we needed a good debate here.

I just say: PERMABAN to this shit.

[xtraelv]

How did you do that? Did you translate what he wrote into Russian and then googled it? My problem was that I didn’t know for sure if it was Russian but I could have tried.

This post is the most exciting one I’ve seen in months. So, now what is going to happen to him? I think he can’t be nuked as he isn’t a newbie anymore. Or can he?

I can read a bit of Russian.

I had a look at some of his other posts which was in Russian.

Then took some of the sentences and google translated it. Then googled the Russian translated sentences.

When I had an article that was a close match I translated it back using google translate. It was an almost exact match.


People that post stuff with % in them either do good research, make it up or plagiarize. The post looked like an article rather than a reply.

EDIT:

....and they are gone...





https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2154797;sa=showPosts

[Piggy]

Well done, that was spotted really fast before he could get even more visibility.

[Steamtyme]

JC, just glad to see you are still searching. What can I say I'm a bit cynical, and generally don't have many smerit to be handing out. So I tend to go through the post history first and Merit after.

If the post stands out as particularly well thought out, I run it through google a few different ways. This is unfortunately how I have found most of my plagiarism reports.

Because the post you have been Merited is not plagarised one and you're not Meriting the user but that perticular post.

For a merit source yeah just meriting a post and moving along is fine; that really goes for anyone. I do disagree a little as without a little research this Plagiarist may have accrued enough Merit to rank up. Sure they would have been caught eventually, but in the meantime they would have been able to benefit from the merit received.

I personally do not care if I disagree with the user or their views, but I will not merit someones post if they are guilty of something that will receive a Permaban, and removal from the forum.

Faith in the humanity lost again.
If one newbie post is really good, then it's plagiarism.

Do not let them weather that baby face hidden behind the glorious beard.
There's always a diamond in the rough, or at least a shiny rock in a turd pile.

[Jet Cash]

It's really quite a problem. I'm only a junior merit source, but I always seem to have around 200 sMerits available. and I do award them every day. I can see why the senior sources end up giving out sMerits in 10s. It would be great if you could visit a few boards, read some some really interesting threads, and award a few merits. I feel that I need to start a few threads in the hope that I can generate some meritable replies. My problem is that I'm going through a political phase at the moment. I was tempted to start a thread about the litigation over the VolksWagen chimney in Mexico, but that's a bit of a stretch from Bitcoin.

[TheBeardedBaby]

If one newbie post is really good, then it's plagiarism.
Now the hompgraphs doesn't help them anymore so it's easy to catch them.

Well, do not generalize, but you are right somehow. Even when, by checking some good newbies or jr' s post, you can find a lot of plagiarism,  I'm a newbie too, so I can't just lose faith completely.

Well I don't. That's the rule and as any other rule, there are some exceptions, and yes, you are one of those exceptions.
As I said the faith is lost again I didn't said it's lost completely.

[Kakarot01]

Some of his post has good quality but he has copied post too. Nowadays its very hard to get merit. Most of the good post are ignored by higher rank members. Giving 3 merits is surprising here.

[DdmrDdmr]

The lateral effect is that, once you find out you’ve been tricked, you tend to raise your awareness and meriting a post becomes no longer just about the post itself. It happeneded to me once that I’m aware of (someone sent me a PM at the time to warn me I had merited a plagiarized post). From then on, I raised my level of scrutiny for posts belonging to people I hadn’t encountered before, checking the posts for possible plagiarism, checking their posting history to see if the post blends in with the history, or stands out too much, and so on. That is an overhead of time that should not be necessary and that does not need to be applied to all, but normally just to new people you encounter.

Even so, the case referred in this topic is easy to fall for, since the posting history seems rather decent and uniform. It’s a bit off putting, but let’s hope that the well camouflaged cases are not that many (it does require some skills which many do not have).

[bitart]

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Theymos, so when are you going to remove signatures from Juniors and/or make them achieve some sort of merit to become one? This would have probably stopped this guy from earning anything. Newbies and Junior Members should not be able to get paid for copy and pasting.  If you can't earn some minimal amount of merit then you don't deserve be able to earn here.

Despite of I also don't have any problem with the restrictions of the newbies and juniors signature possibilities, but I'm a bit afraid that if we remove the signatures from juniors, the forum would lose a lot of traffic.
I don't know the exact figures but as long as a lot of newbies are singning up daily only for the bounties (and it generates the majority of the traffic to this site, I guess) I think less and less normal members are visiting the site... I hope I'm wrong in connection with this.
But if it's true, and we remove the signatures, we would lose a lot of traffic, and reddit and the other crypto related forums would take the lead.
Because I don't know the correct figures, this is just an imagination, but I would be really happy if someone who has the knowledge could reply and let us know about the situtation of the forum.

[LeGaulois]

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Theymos, so when are you going to remove signatures from Juniors and/or make them achieve some sort of merit to become one? This would have probably stopped this guy from earning anything. Newbies and Junior Members should not be able to get paid for copy and pasting.  If you can't earn some minimal amount of merit then you don't deserve be able to earn here.

Despite of I also don't have any problem with the restrictions of the newbies and juniors signature possibilities, but I'm a bit afraid that if we remove the signatures from juniors, the forum would lose a lot of traffic.
I don't know the exact figures but as long as a lot of newbies are singning up daily only for the bounties (and it generates the majority of the traffic to this site, I guess) I think less and less normal members are visiting the site... I hope I'm wrong in connection with this.
But if it's true, and we remove the signatures, we would lose a lot of traffic, and reddit and the other crypto related forums would take the lead.
Because I don't know the correct figures, this is just an imagination, but I would be really happy if someone who has the knowledge could reply and let us know about the situtation of the forum.

Quality over quantity.
And I am sure advertisers are not just looking to get hits impression. They are looking to get traffic that converts and to get a return on investment higher than what they spend

[xtraelv]

It's really quite a problem. I'm only a junior merit source, but I always seem to have around 200 sMerits available. and I do award them every day. I can see why the senior sources end up giving out sMerits in 10s. It would be great if you could visit a few boards, read some some really interesting threads, and award a few merits. I feel that I need to start a few threads in the hope that I can generate some meritable replies. My problem is that I'm going through a political phase at the moment. I was tempted to start a thread about the litigation over the VolksWagen chimney in Mexico, but that's a bit of a stretch from Bitcoin.

Ultimately it isn't much of a problem. The culprit will get banned for plagiarism and got caught because you merited him. The merits can't be used for evil because the user will get banned.

It is easy to get fooled - it is not the fault of the victim - but the fault of the perpetrator.

Al Capone got caught for tax evasion. They never got him for the rest. He died from a heart attack and suffered from tertiary syphilis.

So even if you don't catch them... they might still catch a nasty STD...

[Taki]

I decided to give my merits to persons of lower ranks, from newbie to senior member. I think it's not fair to give merits to high ranked users. I do not say that they do not deserve to, but what for they need it? But low ranked members really need it to raise. Unfortunately, posts I like and found informative and interesting in the most of cases belong exactly to high ranked members. This guy is pretty good, but the case of plagiarism made me to change my opinion about him.

[Parodium]

Definitely good to see a new(ish) member receiving some attention. Right now, the great majority of merits are sent to users of high rank, when in reality it serves very little purpose in doing so. In reality, merits have dual functionality;

1. They allow members to 'thank' or applaud others for a job well done, usually a high-quality post, community service or research work.
2. They also allow lower level users to rank up, again rewarding them for contributing value to the forum by giving value back.

Sending merits to any user above legendary leads to incomplete utility, as it only fulfills the first function. Personally, I try to send the majority of my merits to users below senior member who I think should have more influence here on the forum.

[tranthidung]

Oh dear, that will teach me to jump to conclusions without doing enough research. I only checked the post I merited.

The fact is long thread which focuses on bitcoin or altcoin discussions might come from articles by plagiarism.
It doesn't not right all the time, but during my time I experience in the forum, most of plagiarised threads concentrate on those sort of categories.

Personally, I will spend a little time to check whether that sort of thread plagiarised or not by using Google search.

[tranthidung]

Good to hear your merit give-away tactics like this.

I decided to give my merits to persons of lower ranks, from newbie to senior member.

I don't think so.
Deserved threads are deserved ones, for sure.
I doesn't make sense if you have a opinion like "Wow, this is an excellent thread, deserved merits but I don't give that guy and his/ her thread merits because he/she has stood at higher ranks already". It sounds really weird, in my point of view.

Another reason is, giving your merits away to deserved threads from higher ranked members will help them having more sMerits to give away to others, including lower-ranked members.
I don't see any conflict of interest here!

I think it's not fair to give merits to high ranked users. I do not say that they do not deserve to, but what for they need it? But low ranked members really need it to raise. Unfortunately, posts I like and found informative and interesting in the most of cases belong exactly to high ranked members.

Plagiarism is one of the worst behavior in human society, including the BT forum.

This guy is pretty good, but the case of plagiarism made me to change my opinion about him.

[kertomomom]

And now, I have just replied to your thread which you created for declaring the use of a forum feature that is already evident without saying.

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He is a plagiarist
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Faith in the humanity this forum lost again.

People need to accept that this is not a discussion board anymore; it's a post or copy and paste to get paid one. Until thyemos is going to do something about that or put someone in charge who will then not only will nothing change but things will get worse.

The problem isn't making money in this forum, but the way that you make the money.

The problem is the way we allow users to make money. Getting paid to post is great, but it needs to be regulated. We can't let ICOs come here and literally accept anyone and everyone including Newbies and Juniors and ppay thgem for whatever dribble they can drool out or copy and paste. If you accept Newbies and Juniors then it is going to be exploited by spammers, farmers and copy and paste bots. It can't be acceptable to earn from this forum by copy and pasting but that's what is happening. That's why Newbie and Junior signatures need to be removed completely. They then cannot get paid for this until they become a Member and earn ten merit. Ten merit is not a lot to ask, but it is if you're a bot or the worst of the worst of posters.

I decided to give my merits to persons of lower ranks, from newbie to senior member. I think it's not fair to give merits to high ranked users. I do not say that they do not deserve to, but what for they need it?

Well that's unfair too. The jump from Hero to Legendary is huge and will take a very long time to achieve if everyone thinks like you. What do you define as a 'high' rank as well? Full? Senior? If people are writing great posts then they should be merited for them regardless of ranks.