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November 20, 2018, 03:31:59 PM
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Groups of legendary cheats under the hood of newbie member ?

I'm tired and I can not look at it anymore.

Why are there so many cheats in this forum? Because the administration does not do anything about it?

Why is not they doing anything about it? Because it just makes profitable.
It pays for all the "legendary" because they simply have more experience, better information. Better contacts (and thus "black businesses")
It pays to bounty managers. It pays even if they want to be honest.

Let's give a typical group of cheats. He employs an "unconscious" manager. Pay him in advance. What does it hurt to not do?

And I'm just pissed off by the fact that all good hard working people suffer.

And the administration does not do anything about it. That's the truth. Chatting, warnings. Baju Baju. The money is right and you just allow scammers here.

A simple example.

For what purpose do you allow anyone to create bounty campaigns?
Is not it so that you can easily "hide" cheats?

Would not it be better if the campaigns could only be run by a given group, for example with 5-6 years of experience on the forum and more?

So that if necessary (in the case of LARGE fraud and identity theft) could you catch the villains?

Are you really just fighting spam in this forum and that's all?

Gangsters in this forum feel unpunished. Is this the idea of this forum?

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November 20, 2018, 03:40:13 PM
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because your remotely working/communicating/trading funds.
using a payment system that does not require home postal information.

the first rule of bitcoin is self control and due diligence.

if you cannot grab someone or dont know about someone detailed enough to slap them with a wet fish(lawsuit).. dont trade/hand funds/work for/hand stuff to them. because if they wrong you, you cant slap them

it doesnt matter if newbie or legendary.
this is where scammers get to scam. because potential victims dont do due diligence.

i personally would never trade on this forums.. its too ripe of scammers. so i just dont bother in the first place.

I DO NOT TRADE OR ACT AS ESCROW ON THIS FORUM EVER.
Please do your own research & respect what is written here as both opinion & information gleaned from experience. many people replying with insults but no on-topic content substance, automatically are 'facepalmed' and yawned at
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November 20, 2018, 03:44:55 PM
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because your remotely working/communicating/trading funds.
using a payment system that does not require home postal information.

the first rule of bitcoin is self control and due diligence.

if you cannot grab someone or dont know about someone detailed enough to slap them with a wet fish(lawsuit).. dont trade/hand funds/work to them. because if they wrong you, you cant slap them

it doesnt matter if newbie or legendary.
this is where scammers get to scam. because potential victims dont do due diligence.

i personally would never trade on this forums.. its too ripe of scammers. so i just dont bother in the first place.
I mean I have bought and sold on this site plenty of times and only had a handful of issues. It usually comes down to if it's too good to be true.
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November 20, 2018, 03:45:22 PM
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What the fuck are you talking about, have you been scammed or is this just a load of hot air for nothing?

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November 20, 2018, 03:53:52 PM
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i personally would never trade on this forums.. its too ripe of scammers. so i just dont bother in the first place.
Well it's definitely your personal decision,but many users in here trade with fellow members,and definitely haven't had any problems..
The thing is all about following the due course,and procedure to make sure you're safe in case of any wrong doings
One way to do that is through an escrow(trusted)service,and making sure such user is a reputable member of the forum...
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November 20, 2018, 04:16:26 PM
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i personally would never trade on this forums.. its too ripe of scammers. so i just dont bother in the first place.
Well it's definitely your personal decision,but many users in here trade with fellow members,and definitely haven't had any problems..
The thing is all about following the due course,and procedure to make sure you're safe in case of any wrong doings
One way to do that is through an escrow(trusted)service,and making sure such user is a reputable member of the forum...
Hell I've done plenty of trades without escrow as well to other trusted users. No issues on that, no one wants to ruin their reputation for a few hundred dollars worth of stuff.
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November 20, 2018, 05:04:28 PM
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I had to read over and over to understand what your post is all about but i still don't get it. I don't know if you're angry about legendary members having multiple accounts?
Or are you angry about inexperienced campaign managers because you joined a scam ICO?
Or maybe you have been scammed? It's good to air ones grievances but if no one understands you, how is the problem going to be solved?
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November 20, 2018, 08:26:56 PM
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I understand your disappointment, but it's good if you also include evidence of fraud that you mean, so that your accusations can be reasonable.

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November 21, 2018, 07:40:16 AM
Last edit: November 21, 2018, 08:37:22 AM by cryptovigi
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Why are there so many cheats in this forum? Because the administration does not do anything about it?
...

We have thousands of posts every day and only a few admins who simply are not able to check every post not talking about pm's...

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For what purpose do you allow anyone to create bounty campaigns?
Is not it so that you can easily "hide" cheats?
...

I think you should remember what is the main purpose of this site - it is a discussion forum! Not a specialized platform developed for conducting secure transactions or bounty campaigns. The bounties threads on altcoins board are not bitcointalk’s bounty campaigns it’s just user’s posts. I agree that it would be good idea if bounty threads could be published only by trusted bounty managers it could prevent many users from dishonest people but it won’t be easay and it’s not a priority of administrators.
Everybody knows bitcointalk accounts can be bought (this is not yet forbidden although I think it should be) so you shouldn't base your trust in other user only on his rank.
But you can always spend some time to make some research and check if this "Legendary" user has positive trust,  feedback from other users etc... It could reduce the risk but you must always stay alert..


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November 21, 2018, 08:23:32 AM
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It's been said about a thousand times already,but I'll still tell you yet again,scam is unmoderated,now what does that mean, the forum doesn't try to checkmate scam,nor does the forum hunt for scammers..
It's your duty as a member of the forum,through experience shared on the forum and threads discussed about it, to protect yourself from scams/scammers..
Your topic is a very vague/obscure one, as no one can really understand your ire/grieviance,but in any case you've fallen prey to scam/scammers,its down to your own ineptitude,dont put the blame on the forum,administrator or imaginary"legendary members"
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A simple example.

For what purpose do you allow anyone to create bounty campaigns?
Is not it so that you can easily "hide" cheats?

That's not an example.
An example would be something like:
- link to scam thread
- proof it is a scam
- legendary member(s) involved


And I'm just pissed off by the fact that all good hard working people suffer.

Oh, and your "work" is doing bounty all day for the shittiest ICOs on this forum.
Should we look at your post history that is 99% made of those and check how many failed and scam ICOs you;ve promoted with your work?

In the end you're no better than the ones you're accusing.

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November 21, 2018, 12:43:13 PM
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This forum is not a platform which offers investment advise and detailed services for bounty managers and hunters. It's a community which supports discussion on Bitcoin related issues but has evolved to include altcoins and sections for auctions and services.

Always be on your guard and do your own research. Cause at the end if the day when you consider it, we are responsible for our decisions.
The forum dose have a trust system which serves as a suggestion when entering deals with other members. If you can trust yourself to trust the system.
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November 21, 2018, 01:30:47 PM
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I don't even understand what the OP is saying?

Can you reference here one clear example and link it?

Yes we do fight scams here 100%.  However people will often support them if they can make personal gain from them sadly.

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November 21, 2018, 01:45:49 PM
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Why are there so many cheats in this forum? Because the administration does not do anything about it?

If you propose censorship, you can't be more wrong.

Also what you expect? Admins do your work and remove all susceptible ICOs just for sure, just because you don't want to spend some extra time to see if it worth your effort?!
If they would do that, then you'd start crying that bitcointalk is authoritarian and does censorship.

As soon as somebody is found out to be a scammer, the account is tagged. Just look how many accounts are "red". But in the modern world you need proof for accusations.


So your expectations are unreasonable and unrealistic. Open your eyes and try to stay on the safe side. Maybe try to read more and "do business" a bit less.





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November 21, 2018, 10:06:34 PM
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This forum has a dedicated place for reports about scams. It is called Scam Accusations.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?board=83.0

Gather evidence about the alleged "legendary fraudsters" and post it in a detailed report there. But if you want anyone to take you seriously you need to provide the proper evidence. This thread is just a bunch of sentences that cause a headache to read. No offence to you but it seems you typed this in a mad state of mind and didn't bother checking what you wrote in order to make it meaningful. Where is your evidence? How can you say that the admins and the site dont do anything about scammers and fraudsters when there are 1000s of tagged accounts?!
Create your report and give a helping hand in tagging/banning those who deserve it.

From your post history it seems that you are an English>Polish translator. You should really put more effort in creating meaningful threads that people will understand.

    

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November 21, 2018, 10:35:41 PM
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i personally would never trade on this forums.. its too ripe of scammers. so i just dont bother in the first place.
I can't blame you for that--it's a safe attitude to have.  I have a bad habit of trying to see the best in people when I can, and therefore I'm a bit more trusting sometimes when I should be more skeptical.  It's a work in progress.

However, as regards OP's diatribe:  I'm a bit confused as to who he's ranting about.  It seems like he's throwing darts at a bunch of different targets.  Ultimately it's the forum owner's problem if he's allowing scams to happen here with no consequences.  It's been suggested a number of times that bounty/campaign managers have stricter rules imposed on them as to how they can operate, as well as the bounty participants who work for those managers.  Theymos wants a forum that's as free from regulation as possible, but unfortunately that means scams are rampant here.  No doubt about that.

It's the blame assigned vaguely to "Legendary members" that's causing me trouble here, because there are a lot of us who actively try to fight these scammers and are reporting shitposters and doing all sorts of things on our own time that get no compensation--or even noticed, most of the times. 

I'd like to point out to OP that not all Legendary/Hero/[choose any rank] members are the same and there's no grand conspiracy that I'm aware of to make money by higher-ranked members through nefarious means--at least no one's invited me into that little skull & bones club yet.  (lol)

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November 22, 2018, 08:54:24 AM
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Oh, and your "work" is doing bounty all day for the shittiest ICOs on this forum.
Should we look at your post history that is 99% made of those and check how many failed and scam ICOs you;ve promoted with your work?


So it's my fault that somebody cheated me? You think that I work to:
1) Nothing to have
2) To harm others
3). Losing a lot of time?



i personally would never trade on this forums.. its too ripe of scammers. so i just dont bother in the first place.
I can't blame you for that--it's a safe attitude to have.  I have a bad habit of trying to see the best in people when I can, and therefore I'm a bit more trusting sometimes when I should be more skeptical.  It's a work in progress.

However, as regards OP's diatribe:  I'm a bit confused as to who he's ranting about.  It seems like he's throwing darts at a bunch of different targets.  Ultimately it's the forum owner's problem if he's allowing scams to happen here with no consequences.  It's been suggested a number of times that bounty/campaign managers have stricter rules imposed on them as to how they can operate, as well as the bounty participants who work for those managers.  Theymos wants a forum that's as free from regulation as possible, but unfortunately that means scams are rampant here.  No doubt about that.

It's the blame assigned vaguely to "Legendary members" that's causing me trouble here, because there are a lot of us who actively try to fight these scammers and are reporting shitposters and doing all sorts of things on our own time that get no compensation--or even noticed, most of the times.  

I'd like to point out to OP that not all Legendary/Hero/[choose any rank] members are the same and there's no grand conspiracy that I'm aware of to make money by higher-ranked members through nefarious means--at least no one's invited me into that little skull & bones club yet.  (lol)


This is exactly what I mean.

I do not accuse anyone because I do not have any hard evidence but only circumstantial evidence. It is easy to acclimate and I know that there is always good and bad person in every social group.

I use the rank in part for provocation. Why?

Because they have the most experience on the forum
They have the best contacts (unfortunately the possibility of "dirty contacts")

They have the biggest impact on the entire forum (do they want or do not want their rank, it involves a lot of pluses but also a lot of dangers.

I think that the higher you are, the more you should take responsibility for what is happening around you, for example because you have more influence.

And doing nothing is tantamount to the fact that you just allow the fraudsters to act.

There really is a lot of possibilities for this forum (and thus bitcoin) to have a better reputation.

I am afraid, however, that everything only and exclusively revolves around money above all else. Money your god?


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I already have a lot of campaigns behind me.
And there are many thoughts. Even without the use of appropriate tools.

Another provocation. For example

How is it that most scams are effectively avoided by members with a lot of experience? Only experience? And maybe not only? Will you know something more?

Sample ico

INTRO. Cool and brightly ico. 40 ratings on icobench, kyc, real people, trips, social etc.

And agree what happened? Do you think that they have returned money to people? The telegram administrator has not deleted the account?
Do you know how many "legends" took part in the signature campaign?  Is this a coincidence?

It is only a drop in the sea...


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November 22, 2018, 09:10:50 AM
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I understand your disappointment, but it's good if you also include evidence of fraud that you mean, so that your accusations can be reasonable.
As stated below by one legendary members that OP has ranting to legendary members. This probably because of bad experience on doing transactions here in the forum. I agree with you that OP should post pictures so that we can believe her/his story behind this accusations on the higher ranks. I bet that there are higher ranks that are scammer even had a high red trust rating.

To all of us new here in this forum it is better to see the user's trust rating. It is more good to trade and make transaction on those users with higher trust rating.

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November 23, 2018, 12:40:17 PM
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No

It is not about concluding transactions, exchanging or buying.

Here is a much bigger problem. People can commit serious crimes using your documents under the guise of "kyc".
I will not give more details but warn you that everything is going down a very bad road.
And there is no shortage of naive people here.

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November 23, 2018, 07:18:50 PM
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because your remotely working/communicating/trading funds.
using a payment system that does not require home postal information.

the first rule of bitcoin is self control and due diligence.

if you cannot grab someone or dont know about someone detailed enough to slap them with a wet fish(lawsuit).. dont trade/hand funds/work for/hand stuff to them. because if they wrong you, you cant slap them

it doesnt matter if newbie or legendary.
this is where scammers get to scam. because potential victims dont do due diligence.

i personally would never trade on this forums.. its too ripe of scammers. so i just dont bother in the first place.
I quite agree with you but the only point I disagreed is the point where you state that you can not trade on this forum due to the activities of scammer, as you have said rank doesn't really matter a newbie or legendary member a scammer is always a scammer but the fact still remains that there are a lot of trustworthy members of this forum all that is needed is to do a due diligence work before optioning in to do any transactions involving found.
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