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December 08, 2018, 06:12:48 PM
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Except the numbers are off by orders of magnitude. That's the opposite of quality, especially considering that the whole subsequent argument is built on those wrong numbers.
Cryptohunter meant 0.02% of all users, instead of 0.02% of all merit receivers. Ignoring the fact that 99% of all users didn't receive any merit because they don't deserve it makes it look like Merit is much more elite than it really is.

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December 08, 2018, 06:35:13 PM
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<…> Sadly for you the fact is the top 0.02% of merit receivers cycle over 50% of their merit between them at this time.<…>
I think the figure is really the top 2% of merit receivers. If I’m right I calculated some data some weeks ago where I stated:
Quote from: DdmrDdmr link=topic=5066315.msg47803125#msg47803125
<…>I’ve continued scaling the Top X Merited for the following groups:
Top   200 ->  43,29% received merit from Top 200.
Top   500 ->  50,61% received merit from Top 500.
Top   1000 ->  56,62% received merit from Top 1000.
Top   5000 ->  69,44% received merit from Top 5000.<...>
The top 500 had an inner merit sending pattern of 50,61%. There are currently 25.008 merited forum members, so that makes the top 500 merited 2% of the total merited users. In my opinion, it is rather natural for the best posters to merit the other best posters quite often, whilst keeping an eye out for posts on any other rank or segment (most of those top 500 have merited many other people outside the top 500, just not in the same amounts or frequency – which is also natural I’d say).

<…> the top 5 merit receivers (theymos, satoshi, LoyceV, hilariousetc, Last of the V8s) <…>
BPIP seems to have me on it’s ignore list. I’m right in between @LoyceV and @hilariousetc really …

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December 08, 2018, 06:41:01 PM
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BPIP seems to have me on it’s ignore list. I’m right in between @LoyceV and @hilariousetc really …

You're right, the list on the front page is wrong. This one is correct: https://bpip.org/report.aspx?r=mostmerited

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December 08, 2018, 07:40:55 PM
Last edit: December 08, 2018, 08:15:07 PM by cryptohunter
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<…> Sadly for you the fact is the top 0.02% of merit receivers cycle over 50% of their merit between them at this time.<…>
I think the figure is really the top 2% of merit receivers. If I’m right I calculated some data some weeks ago where I stated:
Quote from: DdmrDdmr link=topic=5066315.msg47803125#msg47803125
<…>I’ve continued scaling the Top X Merited for the following groups:
Top   200 ->  43,29% received merit from Top 200.
Top   500 ->  50,61% received merit from Top 500.
Top   1000 ->  56,62% received merit from Top 1000.
Top   5000 ->  69,44% received merit from Top 5000.<...>
The top 500 had an inner merit sending pattern of 50,61%. There are currently 25.008 merited forum members, so that makes the top 500 merited 2% of the total merited users. In my opinion, it is rather natural for the best posters to merit the other best posters quite often, whilst keeping an eye out for posts on any other rank or segment (most of those top 500 have merited many other people outside the top 500, just not in the same amounts or frequency – which is also natural I’d say).

<…> the top 5 merit receivers (theymos, satoshi, LoyceV, hilariousetc, Last of the V8s) <…>
BPIP seems to have me on it’s ignore list. I’m right in between @LoyceV and @hilariousetc really …






I am not sure about this but 200 from let's say 150k active users as a percentage is under 2% right? is it not 0.13%  that's posted in the last month i think not since merit was introduced that would be far greater so this is being more than fair.

There is no way that if you remove the merit from the top 200 that comes from ONLY the top 300 (out of 150,000 lets not use the 2 million members)

So to if you leave out the top 0.13% of inner circle meriting and those merits from a tiny subsection of posters on the meta board it is natural that their merit scores plummet up to 95%?

Not sure how natural that is.

Never pay attention to suchmoon he simply does not abide by any kind of logical argument.


There are 150k posters in I believe in the last month. Just because such moon claims they are not valid to be considered for merit because they have not had any merit he leaves them out of his calculation. That is quite a crazy thing to say.

The link I posted is 100% valid.  

The facts

There are 2 million registered members
There are 150 posters in the last month

0.13% of that 150k circle 50% of their merits and have huge merit scores some as many as 1200 merits received.

Take merit that is being circled inside that 0.13% away and take also merit given on the meta board which is super concentrated by these 0.13% and their ass kissers and you will see for sure that most of them lose min 50% with most losing over 80% heading to 95%.

Simple observable fact. If they are out by a couple of % does not spoil the message that I present.

Anyone believing that 0.13% of posters spiraling away higher and higher in merit (gained from each other) who would lose 95% of their merits if that was not included along with their fav hang out meta is natural distribution of merit based upon objective analysis of the value of a post compared to others is wrong.





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December 08, 2018, 08:13:35 PM
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There is no way that if you remove the merit from the top 200 that comes from ONLY the top 300 (out of 150,000 lets not use the 2 million members)
It seems like you don't want to understand the reality of this forum: most users are spammers, and most users will never earn or deserve even a single merit. Even worse: I'm pretty sure most of those spammers own many accounts.
Have a look at patrol: it will give you a good impression of how useless most posts are.

To debunk your theory about a big circle of merit friends: check how many different users received Merit from the top senders:
Total number of users who gave away 1 or more sMerit: 18848
Sample
Code:
    1. 7762 Merit sent by suchmoon (#234771) to 838 unique users in 2189 transactions
     2. 4201 Merit sent by dbshck (#153634) to 587 unique users in 2030 transactions
     3. 3835 Merit sent by Foxpup (#55384) to 220 unique users in 1496 transactions
     4. 3366 Merit sent by QuestionAuthority (#72795) to 205 unique users in 238 transactions
     5. 3001 Merit sent by qwk (#24140) to 391 unique users in 2032 transactions
     6. 2674 Merit sent by TMAN (#98986) to 347 unique users in 885 transactions
     7. 2405 Merit sent by Vod (#30747) to 452 unique users in 969 transactions
     8. 2318 Merit sent by chimk (#1202061) to 468 unique users in 1579 transactions
     9. 2087 Merit sent by paxmao (#1192397) to 671 unique users in 1565 transactions
    10. 2034 Merit sent by EFS (#140584) to 341 unique users in 895 transactions
    11. 1601 Merit sent by LoyceV (#459836) to 566 unique users in 1399 transactions
    12. 1599 Merit sent by bones261 (#452769) to 450 unique users in 1033 transactions
    13. 1434 Merit sent by DarkStar_ (#507936) to 393 unique users in 605 transactions
    14. 1401 Merit sent by JayJuanGee (#252510) to 445 unique users in 1390 transactions
    15. 1200 Merit sent by BobLawblaw (#569455) to 132 unique users in 743 transactions
    16. 1185 Merit sent by xandry (#382413) to 265 unique users in 1013 transactions
    17. 1146 Merit sent by OgNasty (#18321) to 716 unique users in 986 transactions
    18. 1093 Merit sent by frodocooper (#988740) to 167 unique users in 611 transactions
    19. 1074 Merit sent by Flying Hellfish (#79608) to 168 unique users in 361 transactions
    20. 1072 Merit sent by Welsh (#84521) to 230 unique users in 451 transactions
    21. 1049 Merit sent by Micio (#115423) to 91 unique users in 474 transactions
    22. 1047 Merit sent by Jet Cash (#698159) to 381 unique users in 673 transactions
    23. 995 Merit sent by LFC_Bitcoin (#379487) to 263 unique users in 829 transactions
    24. 800 Merit sent by achow101 (#290195) to 150 unique users in 385 transactions
    25. 790 Merit sent by teramit (#158960) to 211 unique users in 342 transactions
    26. 786 Merit sent by Vlad2Vlad (#112208) to 58 unique users in 151 transactions
    27. 779 Merit sent by theymos (#35) to 119 unique users in 148 transactions
    28. 763 Merit sent by vapourminer (#33156) to 467 unique users in 720 transactions
    29. 756 Merit sent by Halab (#1053119) to 118 unique users in 346 transactions
    30. 739 Merit sent by mindrust (#176777) to 208 unique users in 356 transactions
    31. 719 Merit sent by The Pharmacist (#487418) to 291 unique users in 567 transactions
    32. 694 Merit sent by mprep (#51173) to 217 unique users in 407 transactions
    33. 648 Merit sent by krogothmanhattan (#1000199) to 184 unique users in 376 transactions
    34. 619 Merit sent by malevolent (#23092) to 159 unique users in 274 transactions
    35. 618 Merit sent by Last of the V8s (#479624) to 165 unique users in 611 transactions
    36. 613 Merit sent by DdmrDdmr (#1582324) to 249 unique users in 575 transactions
    37. 563 Merit sent by xhomerx10 (#120694) to 164 unique users in 432 transactions
    38. 510 Merit sent by Globb0 (#244243) to 80 unique users in 160 transactions
    39. 504 Merit sent by hilariousetc (#397737) to 134 unique users in 263 transactions
    40. 500 Merit sent by micgoossens (#1067333) to 94 unique users in 472 transactions
    41. 487 Merit sent by cAPSLOCK (#35501) to 83 unique users in 196 transactions
    42. 466 Merit sent by sapta (#347141) to 73 unique users in 105 transactions
    43. 458 Merit sent by infofront (#41175) to 117 unique users in 448 transactions
    44. 453 Merit sent by RegulusHr (#1163424) to 80 unique users in 415 transactions
    45. 447 Merit sent by esmanthra (#1764764) to 133 unique users in 285 transactions
    46. 430 Merit sent by theymos_away (#349090) to 82 unique users in 95 transactions
    47. 414 Merit sent by xtraelv (#897509) to 200 unique users in 395 transactions
    48. 413 Merit sent by hilariousandco (#164822) to 102 unique users in 180 transactions
    49. 402 Merit sent by rickbig41 (#553678) to 108 unique users in 177 transactions
    50. 402 Merit sent by jbreher (#28719) to 105 unique users in 344 transactions
.......
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 18799. 1 Merit sent by 5thFear (#974017) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
 18800. 1 Merit sent by 5soznanie (#1227273) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
 18801. 1 Merit sent by 410751302 (#188852) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
 18802. 1 Merit sent by 3x1t (#912334) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
 18803. 1 Merit sent by 3txx (#18342) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
 18804. 1 Merit sent by 3philong (#1065792) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
 18805. 1 Merit sent by 3dyx (#1130468) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
 18806. 1 Merit sent by 3dianle (#1218380) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
 18807. 1 Merit sent by 3acaga (#1232502) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
 18808. 1 Merit sent by 360llqzc (#1300924) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
 18809. 1 Merit sent by 2tang (#1003532) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
 18810. 1 Merit sent by 2drive (#1304704) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
 18811. 1 Merit sent by 2andahalfBTC (#1142164) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
 18812. 1 Merit sent by 27aume (#1001865) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
 18813. 1 Merit sent by 24Kt (#936906) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
 18814. 1 Merit sent by 2342q6tegw (#1212678) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
 18815. 1 Merit sent by 214missy (#1285563) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
 18816. 1 Merit sent by 212fox (#1342293) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
 18817. 1 Merit sent by 1pool Ltd. (#2062862) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
 18818. 1 Merit sent by 1melyun (#543052) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
 18819. 1 Merit sent by 1cyrax00 (#964210) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
 18820. 1 Merit sent by 1chempion123 (#1346880) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
 18821. 1 Merit sent by 1cak (#1136856) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
 18822. 1 Merit sent by 1amCrypt0 (#933826) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
 18823. 1 Merit sent by 1CryptoSmurf (#1352746) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
 18824. 1 Merit sent by 19nataliya12 (#1873934) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
 18825. 1 Merit sent by 19dimasik77 (#881779) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
 18826. 1 Merit sent by 19Nov16 (#921267) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
 18827. 1 Merit sent by 17buratin (#1187494) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
 18828. 1 Merit sent by 13ex07 (#1207068) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
 18829. 1 Merit sent by 13Charlie (#76987) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
 18830. 1 Merit sent by 12retepnat34 (#1053271) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
 18831. 1 Merit sent by 10yearsolder (#1094878) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
 18832. 1 Merit sent by 10BTCaDay (#396522) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
 18833. 1 Merit sent by 101nowby (#2229773) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
 18834. 1 Merit sent by 100kk (#1316426) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
 18835. 1 Merit sent by 100eth (#1324600) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
 18836. 1 Merit sent by 0virtual (#1244555) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
 18837. 1 Merit sent by 0Alvaren0 (#2020991) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
 18838. 1 Merit sent by 01bits (#1629161) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
 18839. 1 Merit sent by 01BTC (#1756786) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
 18840. 1 Merit sent by 00DKM@ (#1311705) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
 18841. 1 Merit sent by .nuke (#89670) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
 18842. 1 Merit sent by -kirito (#1747828) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
 18843. 1 Merit sent by -ck (#19971) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
 18844. 1 Merit sent by -Kaizer- (#60550) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
 18845. 1 Merit sent by $Talker (#1043705) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
 18846. 1 Merit sent by $@to$h! (#1183184) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
 18847. 1 Merit sent by $$$ (#525995) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
 18848. 1 Merit sent by #Bentley (#1232592) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
Full list (2 MB)
Most of those users try really hard to send merit to as many different users as possible, but they need to deserve it first.

Did you know that half of the users you've send most Merit to are in the top200 Merit receivers?

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December 08, 2018, 08:33:18 PM
Last edit: December 09, 2018, 03:12:16 PM by cryptohunter
 #26

There is no way that if you remove the merit from the top 200 that comes from ONLY the top 300 (out of 150,000 lets not use the 2 million members)
It seems like you don't want to understand the reality of this forum: most users are spammers, and most users will never earn or deserve even a single merit. Even worse: I'm pretty sure most of those spammers own many accounts.
Have a look at patrol: it will give you a good impression of how useless most posts are.

To debunk your theory about a big circle of merit friends: check how many different users received Merit from the top senders:
Total number of users who gave away 1 or more sMerit: 18848
Sample
Code:
    1. 7762 Merit sent by suchmoon (#234771) to 838 unique users in 2189 transactions
     2. 4201 Merit sent by dbshck (#153634) to 587 unique users in 2030 transactions
     3. 3835 Merit sent by Foxpup (#55384) to 220 unique users in 1496 transactions
     4. 3366 Merit sent by QuestionAuthority (#72795) to 205 unique users in 238 transactions
     5. 3001 Merit sent by qwk (#24140) to 391 unique users in 2032 transactions
     6. 2674 Merit sent by TMAN (#98986) to 347 unique users in 885 transactions
     7. 2405 Merit sent by Vod (#30747) to 452 unique users in 969 transactions
     8. 2318 Merit sent by chimk (#1202061) to 468 unique users in 1579 transactions
     9. 2087 Merit sent by paxmao (#1192397) to 671 unique users in 1565 transactions
    10. 2034 Merit sent by EFS (#140584) to 341 unique users in 895 transactions
    11. 1601 Merit sent by LoyceV (#459836) to 566 unique users in 1399 transactions
    12. 1599 Merit sent by bones261 (#452769) to 450 unique users in 1033 transactions
    13. 1434 Merit sent by DarkStar_ (#507936) to 393 unique users in 605 transactions
    14. 1401 Merit sent by JayJuanGee (#252510) to 445 unique users in 1390 transactions
    15. 1200 Merit sent by BobLawblaw (#569455) to 132 unique users in 743 transactions
    16. 1185 Merit sent by xandry (#382413) to 265 unique users in 1013 transactions
    17. 1146 Merit sent by OgNasty (#18321) to 716 unique users in 986 transactions
    18. 1093 Merit sent by frodocooper (#988740) to 167 unique users in 611 transactions
    19. 1074 Merit sent by Flying Hellfish (#79608) to 168 unique users in 361 transactions
    20. 1072 Merit sent by Welsh (#84521) to 230 unique users in 451 transactions
    21. 1049 Merit sent by Micio (#115423) to 91 unique users in 474 transactions
    22. 1047 Merit sent by Jet Cash (#698159) to 381 unique users in 673 transactions
    23. 995 Merit sent by LFC_Bitcoin (#379487) to 263 unique users in 829 transactions
    24. 800 Merit sent by achow101 (#290195) to 150 unique users in 385 transactions
    25. 790 Merit sent by teramit (#158960) to 211 unique users in 342 transactions
    26. 786 Merit sent by Vlad2Vlad (#112208) to 58 unique users in 151 transactions
    27. 779 Merit sent by theymos (#35) to 119 unique users in 148 transactions
    28. 763 Merit sent by vapourminer (#33156) to 467 unique users in 720 transactions
    29. 756 Merit sent by Halab (#1053119) to 118 unique users in 346 transactions
    30. 739 Merit sent by mindrust (#176777) to 208 unique users in 356 transactions
    31. 719 Merit sent by The Pharmacist (#487418) to 291 unique users in 567 transactions
    32. 694 Merit sent by mprep (#51173) to 217 unique users in 407 transactions
    33. 648 Merit sent by krogothmanhattan (#1000199) to 184 unique users in 376 transactions
    34. 619 Merit sent by malevolent (#23092) to 159 unique users in 274 transactions
    35. 618 Merit sent by Last of the V8s (#479624) to 165 unique users in 611 transactions
    36. 613 Merit sent by DdmrDdmr (#1582324) to 249 unique users in 575 transactions
    37. 563 Merit sent by xhomerx10 (#120694) to 164 unique users in 432 transactions
    38. 510 Merit sent by Globb0 (#244243) to 80 unique users in 160 transactions
    39. 504 Merit sent by hilariousetc (#397737) to 134 unique users in 263 transactions
    40. 500 Merit sent by micgoossens (#1067333) to 94 unique users in 472 transactions
    41. 487 Merit sent by cAPSLOCK (#35501) to 83 unique users in 196 transactions
    42. 466 Merit sent by sapta (#347141) to 73 unique users in 105 transactions
    43. 458 Merit sent by infofront (#41175) to 117 unique users in 448 transactions
    44. 453 Merit sent by RegulusHr (#1163424) to 80 unique users in 415 transactions
    45. 447 Merit sent by esmanthra (#1764764) to 133 unique users in 285 transactions
    46. 430 Merit sent by theymos_away (#349090) to 82 unique users in 95 transactions
    47. 414 Merit sent by xtraelv (#897509) to 200 unique users in 395 transactions
    48. 413 Merit sent by hilariousandco (#164822) to 102 unique users in 180 transactions
    49. 402 Merit sent by rickbig41 (#553678) to 108 unique users in 177 transactions
    50. 402 Merit sent by jbreher (#28719) to 105 unique users in 344 transactions
.......
.......
.......
 18799. 1 Merit sent by 5thFear (#974017) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
 18800. 1 Merit sent by 5soznanie (#1227273) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
 18801. 1 Merit sent by 410751302 (#188852) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
 18802. 1 Merit sent by 3x1t (#912334) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
 18803. 1 Merit sent by 3txx (#18342) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
 18804. 1 Merit sent by 3philong (#1065792) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
 18805. 1 Merit sent by 3dyx (#1130468) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
 18806. 1 Merit sent by 3dianle (#1218380) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
 18807. 1 Merit sent by 3acaga (#1232502) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
 18808. 1 Merit sent by 360llqzc (#1300924) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
 18809. 1 Merit sent by 2tang (#1003532) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
 18810. 1 Merit sent by 2drive (#1304704) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
 18811. 1 Merit sent by 2andahalfBTC (#1142164) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
 18812. 1 Merit sent by 27aume (#1001865) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
 18813. 1 Merit sent by 24Kt (#936906) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
 18814. 1 Merit sent by 2342q6tegw (#1212678) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
 18815. 1 Merit sent by 214missy (#1285563) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
 18816. 1 Merit sent by 212fox (#1342293) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
 18817. 1 Merit sent by 1pool Ltd. (#2062862) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
 18818. 1 Merit sent by 1melyun (#543052) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
 18819. 1 Merit sent by 1cyrax00 (#964210) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
 18820. 1 Merit sent by 1chempion123 (#1346880) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
 18821. 1 Merit sent by 1cak (#1136856) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
 18822. 1 Merit sent by 1amCrypt0 (#933826) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
 18823. 1 Merit sent by 1CryptoSmurf (#1352746) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
 18824. 1 Merit sent by 19nataliya12 (#1873934) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
 18825. 1 Merit sent by 19dimasik77 (#881779) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
 18826. 1 Merit sent by 19Nov16 (#921267) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
 18827. 1 Merit sent by 17buratin (#1187494) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
 18828. 1 Merit sent by 13ex07 (#1207068) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
 18829. 1 Merit sent by 13Charlie (#76987) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
 18830. 1 Merit sent by 12retepnat34 (#1053271) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
 18831. 1 Merit sent by 10yearsolder (#1094878) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
 18832. 1 Merit sent by 10BTCaDay (#396522) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
 18833. 1 Merit sent by 101nowby (#2229773) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
 18834. 1 Merit sent by 100kk (#1316426) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
 18835. 1 Merit sent by 100eth (#1324600) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
 18836. 1 Merit sent by 0virtual (#1244555) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
 18837. 1 Merit sent by 0Alvaren0 (#2020991) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
 18838. 1 Merit sent by 01bits (#1629161) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
 18839. 1 Merit sent by 01BTC (#1756786) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
 18840. 1 Merit sent by 00DKM@ (#1311705) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
 18841. 1 Merit sent by .nuke (#89670) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
 18842. 1 Merit sent by -kirito (#1747828) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
 18843. 1 Merit sent by -ck (#19971) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
 18844. 1 Merit sent by -Kaizer- (#60550) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
 18845. 1 Merit sent by $Talker (#1043705) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
 18846. 1 Merit sent by $@to$h! (#1183184) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
 18847. 1 Merit sent by $$$ (#525995) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
 18848. 1 Merit sent by #Bentley (#1232592) to 1 unique users in 1 transactions
Full list (2 MB)
Most of those users try really hard to send merit to as many different users as possible, but they need to deserve it first.

Did you know that half of the users you've send most Merit to are in the top200 Merit receivers?

I don't have theory. I am simply stating the statistics.

For example provide me this factual information.

Your current received merit score minus merit from the top 300 and any merit awarded in the meta section. Please provide me the current received merit and the merit you would have after making the adjustments??

Now to clear this up.

How many times can I say that does not mean you did not deserve the 80% or greater that will vanish from your score?

I have said before in posts that I find myself awarding top merit holders more than anyone else because

1. it is hard to find posts in amongst the sea of junk to award merit
2. people in meta since I have been here are helpful at providing stats I ask for and some say things I agree with. This is what i notice merit is used for. People upset at not getting more merit need not be upset thinking their posts are not being recognised for being great quality because that is unlikely on most boards due to how hard it would be to find them.


The point is many are recognising they can make great posts on other boards and not get anywhere near the merit they should get based on the level of post you would need to make here in the meta section if you were one of the inner circle.

This is true totally.

I have said this is not a big deal because merit stops lots of negative behaviour and is a nice way to award others who do things you ask or for you to tip your hat to others that express views you share.

People are wrongly believing that merit = valuable objective post and further more people are wrongly suggesting their high merit scores mean their posts are more valuable or hold more weight that low merit score holders. This is not the case.

The merit system is fine we just have to explain to people who wonder why they are not getting much merit for good posts it is not because their posts are not good it is due to other factors.

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For example provide me this factual information.

Your current received merit score minus merit from the top 300 and any merit awarded in the meta section. Please provide me the current received merit and the merit you would have after making the adjustments??
All Merit data is publicly available, you're free to do this (I'm going to watch a movie Tongue ).
But more importantly: why would it matter how much came from other users with good posts? It would be much more surprising if most of my Merit came from spammers!

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2. people in meta since I have been here are helpful at providing stats I ask for and some say things I agree with.
I could probably provide it, just not now Tongue And since "my" webhosting is currently unavailable, I can't provide you the latest version of full raw Merit data (theymos only provides the last 120 days).

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The point is many are recognising they can make great posts on other boards and not get anywhere near the merit they should get based on the level of post you would need to make here in the meta section if you were one of the inner circle.

This is true totally.
You mean the "inner circle" of people who aren't spammers and make decent posts? Using the term "inner circle" makes it sound as if that's a bad thing.

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I have said this is not a big deal because merit stops lots of negative behaviour and is a nice way to award others who do things you ask or for you to tip your hat to others that express views you share.
And yet, you keep bringing it up. I'm still not sure what you're trying to prove though.

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People are wrongly believing that merit = valuable objective post and further more people are wrongly suggesting their high merit scores mean their posts are more valuable or hold more weight that low merit score holders. This is not the case.
I can't help what people believe. I consider Merit as: "this post is worth reading", or in some cases even: "at least it's not spam". Very good posts receive more Merit, and in the end it's the total from all users that counts.

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The merit system is fine we just have to explain to people who wonder why they are not getting much merit for good posts it is not because their posts are not good it is due to other factors.
Lol, I've almost exclusively seen shitposters wonder why they don't get Merit, not good posters.

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All Merit data is publicly available, you're free to do this (I'm going to watch a movie Tongue ).
But more importantly: why would it matter how much came from other users with good posts? It would be much more surprising if most of my Merit came from spammers!

Don't be shy I am not saying the FACT you will notice over 80% of your merit will vanish is a bad thing. I am just trying to show you this is not opinion this is simply fact. You're a stats guy this will not be hard for you to provide.
It matters because 1/ their high merit does NOT mean they are good posters (first incorrect assumptioin) 2 why would only the top 0.013% of merit holders in meta find that you need so much merit?


You mean the "inner circle" of people who aren't spammers and make decent posts? Using the term "inner circle" makes it sound as if that's a bad thing.

2 incorrect assumptions  people outside of the insider merit club are spammers and that the inner circle make decent posts (compared to what)

And yet, you keep bringing it up. I'm still not sure what you're trying to prove though.

I am proving nothing the stats are there they speak for themselves.


I'll await your merit score once the merit insiders club and their fav sub board are removed.  The reluctance to provide your stats is because you think that losing 80 percent plus is a bad thing or maybe your server is down who knows. It is not a bad thing it simply demonstrates what I have been saying. Merit is fun it is useful it does not mean you make great objective and insightful posts and those with less merit or zero merit are probably actually capable of making far more objectively insightful and deeper posts but finding them is the issue.

The point is clear since I have actually stated it several times but just once more.... merit is worth keeping here it stops a lot of negative behaviour and is fun to give out to your friends and to those you align your views with. Fair enough but stop conflating high merit = good poster low merit = shit poster. It is simply not that case.

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The point is clear since I have actually stated it several times but just once more.... merit is worth keeping here it stops a lot of negative behaviour and is fun to give out to your friends and to those you align your views with. Fair enough but stop conflating high merit = good poster low merit = shit poster. It is simply not that case.

I don't have 800 "friends". And if you think that's what merits are for then you're the problem, not the merit system.

Go ahead, find those brilliant unmerited posts and let us know. I'm sure merits will rain on them. Until then it's safe to assume that the system works as intended and 100+ merit sources and 100s of other merit senders provide a decent coverage for the forum.

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Well you were talking about the percentage of merit receivers when you mentioned the 0,02% figure, so the base in that context is of 25.008 forum members (all merit receivers) and not 150K. In addition, 500 people is closer to the 50% ratio, not 200.

Regardless, coming across decent posts is not trivial, and one tends to favour certain sections and posters, often because the content they provide is way better, and easier to read in a linear manner.
In an interval of around a month, 53.858 posters have created 796.538 posts. 309K of those posts were created by nearly 37K Newbies. Now the content produced by those Newbies is nowhere comparable to that produced by the top 200/500 posters. I’ve just gone through the posts of the list of top 25 posters of the month, that are Newbies or Jr. Members, and all their posts are social reports and spam one-liners. If I were to do the same with the top 200/500 merited users, the difference in content is going to be crystal clear.

Anyhow, if there is an issue overall in my opinion, it’s that ranking speed in general is extremely slow now for the immense majority, even if they are merited. Heroes for example must exasperate at getting a few merits every now and then needing 500 additional merits to reach their next rank. Heroes received an average of 1,96 merits per poster last month. From Hero to Legendary takes 255 months at that rate (21 years).
The issue is not that the best posters get lots of merits, but rather that it is difficult to rank (for those that wish to rank) at a decent enough pace, preferably in the span of their lifetime.

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The point is clear since I have actually stated it several times but just once more.... merit is worth keeping here it stops a lot of negative behaviour and is fun to give out to your friends and to those you align your views with. Fair enough but stop conflating high merit = good poster low merit = shit poster. It is simply not that case.

I don't have 800 "friends". And if you think that's what merits are for then you're the problem, not the merit system.

Go ahead, find those brilliant unmerited posts and let us know. I'm sure merits will rain on them. Until then it's safe to assume that the system works as intended and 100+ merit sources and 100s of other merit senders provide a decent coverage for the forum.

The very notion you have even 0.8 of a real "friend" is ludicrous... being part of a group in meta all awarding each other for making some kind of post is fair enough to me if we are honest about it though. I mean the stats don't lie

What is your merit score now and what would it be if we removed what I had suggested .... remove any from the other top 300 and remove all merit from meta? you score does not seem to be as badly effected as I had expected. I will look into this futher. How many other accounts do you own?

The rest of your post has no real effect on the stats presented.

I agree the merit system works okay but we need to be clear that merit score is not a measure of post quality. People need not wonder why their " good posts" are not getting merit if they are outside of the clique predominantly lurking on meta. That is fine by me.


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I agree the merit system works okay but we need to be clear that merit score is not a measure of post quality

We'll be clear on that once you present facts. Merely saying that 0.02% or 2% or 0.13% or 0.013% of users (or whatever it is) send merits to each other not because their posts are good but because they're "friends" doesn't make it so.

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I agree the merit system works okay but we need to be clear that merit score is not a measure of post quality

We'll be clear on that once you present facts. Merely saying that you think 0.02% or 0.13% or 0.013% of users (or whatever it is) send merits to each other not because their posts are good but because they're "friends" doesn't make it so.

What is your merit score once we remove the "opinion" of only the 0.13% of posters and all merit/meta sub board awards?
I would expect you too are in for another 80% hair cut?


What if only the top 0.13% whilst on meta are able to recognise what a great poster you are?

This is not aimed at you specifically but since you can't resist stalking me I am as always happy to engage you. You I have admitted are useful and probably can make some good points now and then but you are quite an aggressive person and can be annoying.

I say the onus is on you to provide me with evidence because if you are part of a group that claims their high merit score means they are great posters then you are gaining from this assumption you claim is correct. So you prove it. The stats combined with simple probability suggest you are wrong. Unless you really believe that the 0.13% are the only ones able to discern what a good post is lol.

I am not even saying some top merit earners are not capable of making good posts ... just there is no strict correlation at all.

Please stop finding any way you can to chat me up and just accept merit is fun, merit is useful... the higher the merit score of the individual does not correlate with post quality. There are many great posts that are not getting any merit here and if they all got the optimal merit they deserve on some strict criteria of usefulness or depth the top merit scorers would not be who they are now except of course for those who are not moving at all on either sides of the stats chart provided.


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Well you were talking about the percentage of merit receivers when you mentioned the 0,02% figure, so the base in that context is of 25.008 forum members (all merit receivers) and not 150K. In addition, 500 people is closer to the 50% ratio, not 200.

looking at my link i can see most have 50% reduction or far more, this stat is being skewed by theymos and satoshi who are obviously beyond the intended scope of this debate and rightly so... take them out and it looks far far worse for the top 200... this is without meta board merit removed.

I think you are actually a very smart and useful poster due to your knowledge of stats and effort put in to provide them. However I notice your merit score is obliterated once run through my filter and if you took meta merits away you would likely be near zero merit.

Does that make you a bad poster or a beneficiary of scheming merit circles - NO that is not my point at all. It is simply that you can not say high merit = good poster low merit = poor poster. It simply does not work like that.  I have no idea why people are trying to fight against that obvious conclusion.

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No it's not a problem only fuckers that care about merit are the shitposters spamming the forum or perhaps the people that see merits as some type of video game competition.
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We'll be clear on that once you present facts. Merely saying that 0.02% or 2% or 0.13% or 0.013% of users (or whatever it is) send merits to each other not because their posts are good but because they're "friends" doesn't make it so.
Agreed.

I spent about 20 minutes trawling the Economics section, looking for low-ranked members to give merits to.  I ended up reporting more posts as being spam or shitposts than I gave merits to.  I would absolutely love to help Jr. Members, Members, Newbies, etc., rank up but I just can't find any of them making posts that make sense or that add anything to the discussion at hand.  It's very frustrating.

Also, as a merit source and one of the most generous merit-givers on the forum, I'd love to know who my "friends" are and who I'm circle-jerking around with.  If such people exist, I'm unaware of them.  I have high standards for handing out merits, and it just so happens that some (maybe even most)of the most interesting posts, the ones I've merited, have been made by senior members.  It's not because I'm in some leather-chair, cigar-smoking, mustache-twirling, brandy-swilling good 'ol boys' club where we've made an agreement to circulate merits only amongst ourselves.  Christ, look at who I've given merits to.  There's a lot of lower-ranked members and there's a wide variety of members overall.

No it's not a problem only fuckers that care about merit are the shitposters spamming the forum or perhaps the people that see merits as some type of video game competition.
Stop being a scunt.

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We'll be clear on that once you present facts. Merely saying that 0.02% or 2% or 0.13% or 0.013% of users (or whatever it is) send merits to each other not because their posts are good but because they're "friends" doesn't make it so.
Agreed.

I spent about 20 minutes trawling the Economics section, looking for low-ranked members to give merits to.  I ended up reporting more posts as being spam or shitposts than I gave merits to.  I would absolutely love to help Jr. Members, Members, Newbies, etc., rank up but I just can't find any of them making posts that make sense or that add anything to the discussion at hand.  It's very frustrating.

Also, as a merit source and one of the most generous merit-givers on the forum, I'd love to know who my "friends" are and who I'm circle-jerking around with.  If such people exist, I'm unaware of them.  I have high standards for handing out merits, and it just so happens that some (maybe even most)of the most interesting posts, the ones I've merited, have been made by senior members.  It's not because I'm in some leather-chair, cigar-smoking, mustache-twirling, brandy-swilling good 'ol boys' club where we've made an agreement to circulate merits only amongst ourselves.  Christ, look at who I've given merits to.  There's a lot of lower-ranked members and there's a wide variety of members overall.

No it's not a problem only fuckers that care about merit are the shitposters spamming the forum or perhaps the people that see merits as some type of video game competition.
Stop being a scunt.

There is no point agreeing with a straw man and something that flies in the face of the stats provided.

1. saying merit is not correlated strongly to post quality is not the same as saying it is only given to freinds for crap posts.

there are many factors (not all bad and many understandable) that are leading to merit cycling in the top 0.13% a huge amount if you take out theymos and satoshi. I mean if you only believe the 0.13 % opinion counts then that is fine. However, even if you are fair as you can be (considering you have alt boards on ignore which is fair enough considering how they are) but even if you make an effort as far as you can reasonably then your individual experience is not a drip in the ocean compared to the what the stats are indicating.

Face it removing the top 0.13% merits given out and removing merit given on only the meta board reduces most high merit accounts by on average 80% or even greater. This is like saying the 0.13% are only high merit accounts in the minds of 0.13% of the active posters here?  This is fair enough but to then say high merit = higher quality poster than a lower merit account is way way off.

The strange thing that we can freely observe here and I don't mean to be seen to picking on anyone is the persons here in this thread defending this are the persons that would be the VERY MOST effected by this being highlighted in terms of having their merit reduced in a HUGE way. I mean again I notice your account gets a huge huge hair cut without even taking meta out of the equation. Does not mean you are not a good poster so don't worry about this. I would say though that those that are least effected by this filtering would have a more balanced appreciation of their posts.

All of the above just means.....

Just accept that merit is fun, it is effective in reducing negative behaviour but don't be tempted to draw any other conclusions based on merit.  Some huge merit score holders could be good posters and many zero merit posters are quite capable of making just as good if not better posts.



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Yup, looks like threw coal on the fire. my bad.

The little smerit I have given out does seem to be the higher members. Just seems like the engagement and quality is higher.

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After this thread, I'm keenly aware:
  • The threshold of merit is such that I'm lucky for the merit I do have.
  • Roles of moderators are independent of smerit (which I will not make a similar post, again.) It does make sense though. Fighting spam and quality control are two distinct roles.
  • Qualifying threshold higher than I originally thought.
  • Don't worry about it.

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I'll keep my eye out. I thought for sure that those would meet minimum expectations. Thank you.

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What is your merit score once we remove the "opinion" of only the 0.13% of posters and all merit/meta sub board awards?
I would expect you too are in for another 80% hair cut?

What if only the top 0.13% whilst on meta are able to recognise what a great poster you are?

This is not aimed at you specifically but since you can't resist stalking me I am as always happy to engage you. You I have admitted are useful and probably can make some good points now and then but you are quite an aggressive person and can be annoying.

I say the onus is on you to provide me with evidence because if you are part of a group that claims their high merit score means they are great posters then you are gaining from this assumption you claim is correct. So you prove it. The stats combined with simple probability suggest you are wrong. Unless you really believe that the 0.13% are the only ones able to discern what a good post is lol.

You're the one making these claims so it's really up to you to support them. There is tons of data available. I know how I send the merits and it's not even close to what you're describing. It sounds like you have a problem with some of the top recipients or perhaps with the fact that you're not among them so you're trying to weave a narrative that would diminish the purpose of the merit system. However the main purpose of the merit system remains to highlight good posts. Not for ranking up, not for fun, not for "friends" or "likes".

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What is your merit score once we remove the "opinion" of only the 0.13% of posters and all merit/meta sub board awards?
I would expect you too are in for another 80% hair cut?

What if only the top 0.13% whilst on meta are able to recognise what a great poster you are?

This is not aimed at you specifically but since you can't resist stalking me I am as always happy to engage you. You I have admitted are useful and probably can make some good points now and then but you are quite an aggressive person and can be annoying.

I say the onus is on you to provide me with evidence because if you are part of a group that claims their high merit score means they are great posters then you are gaining from this assumption you claim is correct. So you prove it. The stats combined with simple probability suggest you are wrong. Unless you really believe that the 0.13% are the only ones able to discern what a good post is lol.

You're the one making these claims so it's really up to you to support them. There is tons of data available. I know how I send the merits and it's not even close to what you're describing. It sounds like you have a problem with some of the top recipients or perhaps with the fact that you're not among them so you're trying to weave a narrative that would diminish the purpose of the merit system. However the main purpose of the merit system remains to highlight good posts. Not for ranking up, not for fun, not for "friends" or "likes".

Imagine that all the top 200 merit holders tell me they are not sending as the stats claim? perhaps the stats are wrong?
Over 50% of all merit given by the top 0.13% is to others in that group. More if you take out satoshi and theymos.  I am not making claims I am describing data. If you take out meta board merit then that makes it look worse.


I have no need for merit since it at legend rank you do not require it. In theory do you need rank because only the ivory tower is off limits to juniors. I don't think diverting or even questioning my motive can alter the observable stats that are there in black and white so is irrelevant to this discussion. Let's stick to sensible analysis of the stats.
Can you describe the narrative I am weaving that would diminish the purpose of this merit system?
Anyway for sure merit system works fine as I have said no need to change. I see no need to discuss further since it seem repetitive now people can read the stats and think for themselves.



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Imagine that all the top 200 merit holders tell me they are not sending as the stats claim? perhaps the stats are wrong?
Over 50% of all merit given by the top 0.13% is to others in that group. More if you take out satoshi and theymos.  I am not making claims I am describing data. If you take out meta board merit then that makes it look worse.

You're making claims not supported by the data you're quoting. The data (even if you take arbitrary parts out of it) doesn't say that there are unmerited high-quality posts/users as you're claiming here:

many zero merit posters are quite capable of making just as good if not better posts.



Can you describe the narrative I am weaving that would diminish the purpose of this merit system?

The purpose of the merit is system is not

fun to give out to your friends and to those you align your views with.

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to give merit to posts that are objectively high-quality, not just posts that you agree with.

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