UFC 232: Jones vs Gustafsson 2 Prediction and Info Thread

[eaLiTy]

Look at Nunes´build, her striking tech, she just needs to win 3 out of 5 rounds, when these take place with her on top for most of the round, no problem and she has enough power and take down skills to get it done, not to mention being able to stand with Cyborg.

One thing you have to understand is the cardio issues of Amanda Nunes, she always starts at a great pace and the volume goes down as the rounds progress, take a look at the fight against Valentina Shevchenko and you think Nunes can stand against Cyborg who is a well rounded fighter as well as a much bigger opponent than she has ever faced in her life and Cyborg has never displayed her ground skills as she is so dominant in stand up.

Ok, I'll do that.  But Jones wasn't lying when he said he was partying during that time around the match vs Gus.  Tho I agree Jones didn't look that good vs OSP (maybe cos no roids)...  The Cormier one, I have to look again.

Anyway dunno...  Jones just has more tools.  And he has prolly already learned from the first fight.

Jones is never a strong fighter with one punch knockout power and he is not physically that huge during those period, he won all of his fights with his fight IQ and nothing else, he is a junkie who takes coke and parties hard and the substances found in his system are just particles that is being used to cut coke, so the notion of using enhancing substance is just bogus.

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[bbc.reporter]

Maybe he was too inexperienced in the first fight and don't know how to phased himself that's why he run out of gas. He is also throwing uppercuts with the Jones fight but he was not hitting squarely because Jones keeps moving as opposed to Glover just standing with no head movements. That's why his uppercut is very evident on that fight. I remember he hits Glover 3 or 4 successively, Teixeira is a stationary target.

Here are highlights from Gustafsson's fight with Glover Teixeira.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fWVdOq_5zZs

Gustafsson's punches seem to land with more impact and force than they did earlier in his career when he fought Jon Jones. You can actually see Glover Teixeira's head snap back from the force of the punches, which mostly glanced off Jon Jones head as they lacked the same type of commitment or body weight behind them.

I re-watched the 1st fight between Jones and Gustaf from the link tokeweed posted above. The kicks to the body Jones landed and the spinning elbows could be what caused Gustafsson to tire.

Those are the impressions I get. Feel free to agree/disagree.

@Kemrait. What is phased?

@Hydrogen. Jon Jones also has improved his boxing. I reckon the biggest difference between his fights from before and the fight next week will be his hands. They will be faster, stronger and they will hit their targets.

My prediction is a doctor's stoppage on the 5th round because Alexander Gustaffson's eyes are closed shut courtesy of Jon Jones' boxing hehehe.

I think Kemarit meant to type "pace himself" instead of "phased himself".

Don't know if Jones has improved his boxing. He does most of his damage with kicks and spinning elbows. He's never inflicted serious damage with punches in a fight that I know of.

Hehehe ok.

Also, Jon Jones has been training in boxing during his layoff from MMA. He said his hands have never been better in his entire career as a fighter in an interview.

[tokeweed]

Just a small tid bit of info for you guys thinking Jones could be suffering from 'ring rust'.  Gus actually is on a longer time not fighting than Jones.  Dan Hardy mentioned it in the video below...  Enjoy. 

UFC 232:  Inside the Octagon - Jones vs Gus 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTyeenwluF4

[Juggy777]

Just a small tid bit of info for you guys thinking Jones could be suffering from 'ring rust'.  Gus actually is on a longer time not fighting than Jones.  Dan Hardy mentioned it in the video below...  Enjoy. 

UFC 232:  Inside the Octagon - Jones vs Gus 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTyeenwluF4

The match between these two will be quite interesting, and there's a lot of mention of Jones suffering from ring rust, however I feel it shall not have a impact on him. I expect Jones to win this match, he definitely won't have it easy but in the end he'll be the victor. I also expect Nunes to win that sheer power shall definitely work in Nunes favour, it'll be disappointing if she doesn't win.

[Hydrogen]

Update: Jon Jones tested positive for steroids. This UFC event is being moved from Las Vegas to california due to the nevada state athletic commission declining to license Jon Jones to fight @ the event.

Its been said by USADA that Jon Jones positive steroid test represents the same steroids that were in his body the last time he tested positive. His system hasn't completely cleansed itself of the steroids yet.

I can't believe this is happening. So much drama surrounding Jon Jones. Always.

[tokeweed]

^  Lawl!  But the show must go on.  I wonder how this affects Jones tho...  With all the anxiety and stress this causes him and his camp.

[stomachgrowls]

^  Lawl!  But the show must go on.  I wonder how this affects Jones tho...  With all the anxiety and stress this causes him and his camp.

No fight or show would happen once they do make such decision in regards with drug test result but USADA proved about his innocence.

[Harlot]

Can't believe that they even continued this fight to go on didn't Jon Jones' last fight overturned to NC as he tested positive for turinabol. This is obviously an unsportsmanlike thing to do as he is clearly on an advantage as he is using sports enhancement drugs. I am praising USADA for his previous 15 month ban but this one letting him still fight all jacked up is really not a reasonable thing to do. He obviously didn't learn anything from his previous penalty as he is still continuing the things that he got suspended in the first place.

[vit05]

Update: Jon Jones tested positive for steroids. This UFC event is being moved from Las Vegas to california due to the nevada state athletic commission declining to license Jon Jones to fight @ the event.

Its been said by USADA that Jon Jones positive steroid test represents the same steroids that were in his body the last time he tested positive. His system hasn't completely cleansed itself of the steroids yet.

I can't believe this is happening. So much drama surrounding Jon Jones. Always.

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Now we all understand why u didn’t take the Wada test! U can be on rocket fuel,, I’ll still gonna finish u Jon!

Drama sells. And what the UFC needs is drama, media, and discussion. The fight lasts a few minutes, but all the repercussions of before and after last for days.

[kenzawak]

Can't wait to see the Jones / Gustafsson revenge. Jones deserved to win the first even though it was closer than many expected. For me Gustafsson had the first two rounds, Jones the last three after he adapted to Gus' boxing.
I want to see Jones in the heavies after this.

EDIT : https://www.bloodyelbow.com/2018/12/23/18154355/ufc-232-jon-jones-tests-positive-trace-amount-turinabol-moved-to-california-one-week-out-mma-news

According to a report by MMA Junkie (which was corroborated by ESPN’s Brett Okamoto), Jones tested positive for a trace amount of DHCMT, also known as Turinabol, earlier this month. USADA head Jeff Novitzky called this a “pulsing” effect, basically stating that it was still in his system from his 2017 positive test that netted him a 15-month suspension. It is not a new ingestion, and it was a pictogram - basically an extremely tiny amount. So he has not violated USADA rules.

That's BS :
https://www.mixedmartialarts.com/forums/UnderGround/Turinabol---16-hour-half-life:2755163

[NavI_027]

^  I'm rooting for Gus but I just can't see how he wins vs Jones.  Jones is just too good

Yeah! I'll go for Gustaffson this time not because I don't believe on the strength of Bones but because I am now doubting whether if it is natural or not in his every battle (we all knew that Jones is not new anymore in performance enhancing drug issues). I can't wait for this battle, for sure this is going to be bloody.

Same with Nunes...  Cyborg is just too guy.  Lol. 

She beats Rousey, remember? Nunes did not become a champion for no reason. I think she'll beat Cyborg .

[Theb]

I want to see Jones in the heavies after this.

If he is in the heavyweight division he will be snatching up again the belt away from Daniel Cormier's waist again. No matter what division it is Jon Jones will still outclass Cormier in the Octagon his height and reach is always a disadvantage when it comes to facing a giant like Jon Jones not to mention that Jones' fighting style is always putting his opponent at a safe distance that is why Cormier hasn't been able to land some big strikes to him up until now.

[tokeweed]

^  Lawl!  But the show must go on.  I wonder how this affects Jones tho...  With all the anxiety and stress this causes him and his camp.

No fight or show would happen once they do make such decision in regards with drug test result but USADA proved about his innocence.

The UFC moved the event from Vegas to LA.  So that means the show is going on and Dana White's not taking no other main event other than Jones vs Gus.

With all this sh*t going on with Jones and allegations of cheating, now I'd like to see Gus to win even more.  I won't back him tho...  Now that we know there's a possibility that Jones is juicing.

UFC 232:  Countdown
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3W7-4pLfF0g

Enjoy the video.

[cellard]

Can't wait to see the Jones / Gustafsson revenge. Jones deserved to win the first even though it was closer than many expected. For me Gustafsson had the first two rounds, Jones the last three after he adapted to Gus' boxing.
I want to see Jones in the heavies after this.

EDIT : https://www.bloodyelbow.com/2018/12/23/18154355/ufc-232-jon-jones-tests-positive-trace-amount-turinabol-moved-to-california-one-week-out-mma-news

According to a report by MMA Junkie (which was corroborated by ESPN’s Brett Okamoto), Jones tested positive for a trace amount of DHCMT, also known as Turinabol, earlier this month. USADA head Jeff Novitzky called this a “pulsing” effect, basically stating that it was still in his system from his 2017 positive test that netted him a 15-month suspension. It is not a new ingestion, and it was a pictogram - basically an extremely tiny amount. So he has not violated USADA rules.

That's BS :
https://www.mixedmartialarts.com/forums/UnderGround/Turinabol---16-hour-half-life:2755163

The dose is tiny. You couldn't manufacture a way to take such low doses. I don't believe that Jon Bones Jones is that stupid, this has to be a mistake of past turinabol intake, there is 0 evidence that it was done intentionally, and 0 evidence that it was re-ingested.

I have found this excellent post in Reddit in why even if the dose is tiny, the numbers don't add up:

Jon Jones' failed test was on July 17, 2017. That was nearly a year and a half away from today, or in other terms, 12,480 hours ago. Therefore that means that the quantity of Turinabol has "halved" 780 times - once every 16 hours. So lets say that the test that Jon Jones had failed showed he had 100 times the legal steroid limit found in his system back in July 2017. That means 16 hours later on the next day July 18th he would have 50 times the legal limit. That means in two days (or 48 hours) he would have 12.5 times the legal limit. To get below the legal limit it would take 6 days because the 1/2 life of Turinabol is so short. After 520 days, or 780 half life periods, the amount of turinabol that would be in Jon Jones' system if he was first caught with 100 times the legal limit would be 3.10 E -233 (that is 3.10 x 10 to the power of minus 233) of the legal limit. Dana White and Jeff Nowitzi were trying to give us this bullshit about how small a "picogram" is. A picogram is 1/1000 of a nanogram. So the maximum amount of testosterone that could be found in a human males system is around 12 ng/ml (or 1,200 ng/dl = 40 nmol/l). That is the equivalent of 12,000 PICOGRAMS/ml. So let's assume the USADA threshold for failing a drug test is 6x the MAXIMUM normal human level is 72,000 pg/ml. So if Jon Jones had tested at 100 times the legal limit in July 2017, then that means his levels would have been approximately 7,200,000 pg/ml when he got busted (and he would also have been dead...but that's another discussion). So now lets do 780 half lifes to 7,200,000 pg/ml x 3.10 E -233 = 2.264 E -226 pg/ml. In other words there is no possible way that this sample is measured in PICOGRAMS unless you use incredibly large negative exponent numbers. There is no unit of measure for a number that small in terms of grams. And there is no possibility that their measuring devices picked up the July 17, 2017 metabolite in that miniscule a quantity. That quantity would be immeasurable.

In any case I think Jon Jones didn't do steroids again because the dose is too tiny. But now the shadow of the doubt is once again on his next fight..

As far as the change in location, these guys don't have the time to study the case (USADA) so they agreed to put a hearing for the UFC on friday and they understood the issue.

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@cellard. However, Jon Jones is that stupid. His checkered past shows everything about him as a person. Being a cheater who takes steroids before each fight is also within his capabilities.

[kenzawak]

Newsflash they all take peds. They just have protocols so that it doesn't appear in drug tests.
Jones probably got bad advice, that's why he got caught.
If there was tbol in his system, that's because he took it (and not one year ago lol), there's no way around it.

[nydiacaskey01]

So the fight between Cris Cyborg and Amanda Nunes took almost a year in the making with Amanda Nunes taking a lot of time and giving an alibi about his supposed injury. Cris Cyborg also made an announcement that this might be her final with with UFC. Take note "final with with UFC" so does this means she might sign up with another promotions?

[Jating]

So the fight between Cris Cyborg and Amanda Nunes took almost a year in the making with Amanda Nunes taking a lot of time and giving an alibi about his supposed injury. Cris Cyborg also made an announcement that this might be her final with with UFC. Take note "final with with UFC" so does this means she might sign up with another promotions?

It's weird though, UFC is the best mixed-martial arts promotion right now, why would she left and sign for another promotion though? We would understand if she really went to go and retire for good but moving to a new promotional organisation is not a right move, in my opinion.

[tokeweed]

Newsflash they all take peds. They just have protocols so that it doesn't appear in drug tests.
Jones probably got bad advice, that's why he got caught.
If there was tbol in his system, that's because he took it (and not one year ago lol), there's no way around it.

They all mostly used to take ped's.  But not anymore.  And there's prolly some in Jon Jones' matches that he didn't take them...  Like his first bout vs Gus?  

So hell yeah he needs to take them now.  Lololol.

[kenzawak]

They all mostly used to take ped's.  But not anymore.  

Not sure this is the right place to debate about this but peds are present in every professional sport.
Tennis players, runners, boxers, fighters, soccer players... all pro athletes take enhancement drugs.
Why ? Money, fame, glory... and because all others do. The same reason reason Chris Hemsworth does it before every Thor movie.
Remember that day Tyson bit Holyfield's ear ? He took something before that fight that made him go crazy. Well, all mma fighters take that specific drug before getting in the cage.  
They need drugs to get fit, drugs to get strong, drugs to heal faster, drugs to have more stamina and drugs to be enraged.
It's easy to do and easy not to get caught.