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February 07, 2019, 08:14:31 AM
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Should projects that knowingly employ proven untrustworthy individuals be viewed
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This is why:
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After about 1500 posts in the past month rambling about how unfair merit is, many users have put him on ignore. I don't want to read more of the same.


how can merit sources have users on ignore ?
that is not fair
you are not supposed to merit posts only that you agree with but good posts that took a lot of effort


cryptohunter has many good posts with much effort invested but gets no merit because you have him on ignore ?
not good..
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February 07, 2019, 08:36:43 AM
Last edit: February 07, 2019, 09:08:12 AM by LoyceV
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how can merit sources have users on ignore ?
Contrary to popular belief, I'm only human. I'm not obligated to read everything anyone posts, and if it bores me, I stop reading.

Also: this isn't the place to discuss this, please do that here.

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February 07, 2019, 12:00:07 PM
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how can merit sources have users on ignore ?
that is not fair
you are not supposed to merit posts only that you agree with but good posts that took a lot of effort

Without getting into any specific case of whether a specific member or a specific member's posts justify merit. 

I think that it is worth mentioning that merit sources, just like regular members, retain a large amount of discretion regarding which posts they merit or not, and how they use the forum including which threads they visit, which posts they read and whether they choose to ignore some users. 

Merit sources can employ their discretion to merit or not merit posts for nearly any reason that they want or no reason at all, as long as it is not some kind of selling or quid pro quo kind of reason.   Of course, there could be other kinds of merit abuse that a merit source could engage in, and determining merit abuse, would be up to theymos to determine on a case by case basis, also completely discretionary for theymos to determine whether a merit source is abusive in his/her meriting conduct or if a merit source should continue as a merit source... theymos does not need a reason to remove a merit source from such status.

There is NO standard that "taking a lot of effort" compels any merit source to merit posts, especially if the merit source in his/her discretion could find a variety of subjective or objective reasons NOT to merit such post.. and like I said, merit sources don't need a reason.  I doubt that there is any need for me to attempt to list all the many reasons that a merit source might choose NOT to merit posts, but surely, as already mentioned, "taking a lot of effort" in and of itself would not compel any meriting action from a merit source.    It is almost humorous to consider the idea (and possible examples) that merely "taking a lot of effort" should compel the meriting of posts.   Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

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February 07, 2019, 07:20:40 PM
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I also have cryptohunter on ignore. If you go around trolling and derailing every thread in Meta and Reputation, making it near impossible to have a rational conversation about trust or merit, then this is what happens. It's no one's fault but his own. My status as a merit source does not require or force me to read or merit any user's posts, nor ban me from using the ignore button.

I did click show/hide on the post you linked to, just to see what all the fuss was about. I absolutely disagree that that post deserves merit. I think you are confusing "a lot of effort" with "longer than average". There is nothing in that post that took a lot of effort. It is, as with all this other posts that I've read (granted I've not read the last several hundred or so thanks to the ignore button) lacking a clear point, repetitive, could be condensed down to about two lines, and filled with personal attacks and insults.

If "a lot of effort" was the metric for awarding merits, then pretty much every merit should go to users in Technical Discussion in Scam Accusations. Those are posts that take a lot of time and effort to make, not some rambling insults about a non-existent trust ring.

I'll also just re-quote this in case you haven't read it before:
Aside from that, if people complain about whether things deserve merit at all, then that's something to perhaps think about, but if you conclude that they're wrong, then that's that. You don't need to stress about it or defend yourself constantly. It's conceivable that someday you and I will end up disagreeing too much about this stuff and I'll remove your source status, but it's really not a big deal.

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February 07, 2019, 07:30:11 PM
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Dammit, I did not want to merit your post because you're a Legendary member, but it was spot-on and I had to.

I have an extensive ignore list to guide my ignoring habits, though that doesn't mean I don't peek at posts here and there.  The members I have on my list are ones who've proven to be habitual shitposters, and I have no reason to suspect that they're going to improve anytime soon.  I generally don't put members on ignore just because I disagree with them, even if that's a consistent thing--I don't have QS, TECSHARE, and a number of others on my list.  They generally don't write big rambling walls of shitposting text like cryptohunter and those others write, so I don't mind seeing their posts.

Theymos never put down any guidelines for merit sources and their ignore lists.  If he ever did, I would gladly abide by them.

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February 07, 2019, 07:44:08 PM
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I also have cryptohunter on ignore. If you go around trolling and derailing every thread in Meta and Reputation, making it near impossible to have a rational conversation about trust or merit, then this is what happens. It's no one's fault but his own. My status as a merit source does not require or force me to read or merit any user's posts, nor ban me from using the ignore button.

I did click show/hide on the post you linked to, just to see what all the fuss was about. I absolutely disagree that that post deserves merit. I think you are confusing "a lot of effort" with "longer than average". There is nothing in that post that took a lot of effort. It is, as with all this other posts that I've read (granted I've not read the last several hundred or so thanks to the ignore button) lacking a clear point, repetitive, could be condensed down to about two lines, and filled with personal attacks and insults.

If "a lot of effort" was the metric for awarding merits, then pretty much every merit should go to users in Technical Discussion in Scam Accusations. Those are posts that take a lot of time and effort to make, not some rambling insults about a non-existent trust ring.

I'll also just re-quote this in case you haven't read it before:
Aside from that, if people complain about whether things deserve merit at all, then that's something to perhaps think about, but if you conclude that they're wrong, then that's that. You don't need to stress about it or defend yourself constantly. It's conceivable that someday you and I will end up disagreeing too much about this stuff and I'll remove your source status, but it's really not a big deal.

There is a bit of a strange phenomenon here, which does seem to be a good tendency, and it seems to me that there are a decently large number of merit sources who do attempt to grant a decent amount of benefit of the doubt to various shit posters, and even from time to time, might end up meriting the posts of such shitty posters, even though the merit sources are not compelled to do so. 

I personally do NOT use the "ignore" button, but I do generously employ "skim function" because sometimes there is a certain amount of garbage tendency that can be spotted within some posts and some kinds of posters... however, there is also some possibility, that later down the line, the same member who has had a history/tendency to shitily post could recover or provide some decent contribution to the then conversation - and I would not completely ruling out such a recovery possibility, even if a fleeting wave of quality or humor or something that provokes meaning or insight to the conversation. 

On the other hand, the level of shit the comes out of the keyboards of some posters does sometimes get so highly embedded in my head that it would take a decently large piece of extra contribution for me to thereafter merit the posts of that specific member who, from my perspective, had been historically engaging in such a high level shitty substantive postings.

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February 07, 2019, 08:10:37 PM
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My ignore list is tiny (like, count on one hand tiny) for the reasons you state. If someone is a shitposter, I'd rather report their posts for deletion than ignore them, and help to clean up the forum for everyone else too. And, as you say, there are some shitposters who do genuinely improve, and I'm not a fan of placing people on permanent ignore as it would forever prevent them from ranking up.

However, there comes a point (such as with cryptohunter) where a user is spamming dozens of rambling posts over multiple threads every day, derailing every thread on to his own personal agenda, where a line has to be drawn. If he wants to change his behaviour then I would be more than happy to take him off ignore and consider meriting his posts again (I have merited him a couple of times in the past before his trolling behaviour started), but until that happens, I am under no obligation to do so.

Apologies for going somewhat off topic. I'll stop this discussion here.

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February 07, 2019, 08:51:09 PM
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Dammit, I did not want to merit your post because you're a Legendary member, but it was spot-on and I had to.

Hahahahaha... I do that too.  Sometimes reluctant to merit Legendary accounts and also members who I have merited a lot, but sometimes, it becomes irresistible...

I have an extensive ignore list to guide my ignoring habits, though that doesn't mean I don't peek at posts here and there.  The members I have on my list are ones who've proven to be habitual shitposters, and I have no reason to suspect that they're going to improve anytime soon.  I generally don't put members on ignore just because I disagree with them, even if that's a consistent thing--I don't have QS, TECSHARE, and a number of others on my list.  They generally don't write big rambling walls of shitposting text like cryptohunter and those others write, so I don't mind seeing their posts.

Probably, we are never going to have exactly a prefect system that does not change at all because even as people we change through the years and therefore it would be a good practice to tweak our systems from time to time.  I used to have an Excel list for a kind of keeping track of certain kinds of behaviors that I found worthy of notation, and I nearly completely abandoned that particular list and streamed it down to a much smaller kind of list of consideration(s), and probably with the passage of time, I am going to need to tweak my current practice, too.

Theymos never put down any guidelines for merit sources and their ignore lists.  If he ever did, I would gladly abide by them.

It's likely a good thing for theymos NOT to lock in too many criteria about merit (or merit abuse) into a written document, even though, like the Supreme Court Justice Potter Stewart is famous for writing that he could recognize porn when he saw it, theymos could proclaim the same kind of abilities to recognize merit abuse when he saw it.  hahahahahaha

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Seems user logfiles need only 5 merit to become full member. I have visit his post history and not bad as well he contribute few tips. I think someone from merit source could help him to rank up. I had 1 smerit only that I have sent him. Below post would be appropriate for 5 merit.

Post; Must have web browser addons to keep you a step safer from phishing  
Description : security tips web browser
Category : suggestion
Section : Beginners & Help

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Thanks and keep help low rank especially.

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Seems user logfiles need only 5 merit to become full member. I have visit his post history and not bad as well he contribute few tips. I think someone from merit source could help him to rank up. I had 1 smerit only that I have sent him. Below post would be appropriate for 5 merit.

Post; Must have web browser addons to keep you a step safer from phishing  
Description : security tips web browser
Category : suggestion
Section : Beginners & Help


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February 11, 2019, 09:34:48 AM
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Seems user logfiles need only 5 merit to become full member. I have visit his post history and not bad as well he contribute few tips. I think someone from merit source could help him to rank up.

logfiles can now upload an avatar.  Wink

Thanks for the push mates... I know It may just be merits but this act goodwill gives me more energy to contribute to the forum.
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February 12, 2019, 05:30:59 AM
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User tvplus006 need only 12 merit to become Sr. Member. He have exposed many scam/fake ICO's lately. He deserve few more merit to rank up. I will list his few scam exposed post that received low merit. Hope merit sources will consider and help him to rank up. We need this kind of user who are helping forum members from scammer. So he will motivate and others also will motivate to help community.

1. DigitalCryptoInvest (DCI) - fake team member
2. Tokemom - SCAM - FAKE TEAM
3. weenzee.com - 403% PROFIT FOR THE YEAR - Ponzi / HYIP - No team  
4. BIIDO - SCAM - FAKE team member  

I am unable to help him because I am out of smerit.

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@Coolcryptovator done, but try to use format report next time

P.S. I'm running low on merit and prefer to merit more post rather give more merit for each post

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February 12, 2019, 07:44:54 AM
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done, he only needs 3 more merit for Sr. i'll have a look at his other posts later see if i can find something else aside from what you posted that deserves more merit.

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@Coolcryptovator done,

done, he only needs 3 more merit for Sr. i'll have a look at his other posts later see if i can find something else aside from what you posted that deserves more merit.

Thanks everyone, till now he got 20 merit, tvplus006 had need only 12 merit. Once again we proved that how we are helpful  Cool. He already become Sr. Member. Congratulation.. to tvplus006, hope you will keep finding scammers same as before and motivate others also. Thanks once again all the merit source for your kind attention.

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Thank you for evaluating my work.
I will try to remain a useful member of our forum.


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February 14, 2019, 11:56:54 AM
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Re: What to do with these aggressive FUDers? Requesting help from mods
Description : Explaining to the OP what exactly FUD is and why it does not apply for the OP's case.
Category : explanation, answer
Section : Meta

Just noticed that I ran out of smerit Cheesy

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February 14, 2019, 07:20:59 PM
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ICOEthics - scam list 2018-2019
Description : A list of exposed scam ICO.
Category : Informative
Section : Scam Accusation.

Note; To be honest ICOEthics have not received enough merit as per his contribution. Even he doesn't care about others section, always tried to exposed scam. He never joined any paid signature as well still now. He is one of most important assets for forum. We need more user like him to build a decent forum.

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February 19, 2019, 06:42:31 PM
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Re: How to make money on cryptocurrency in 2019  (Ussr:    PlusOne88
Description : Discussion about make money from crypto-currency
Category : Motivational
Section :  Altcoin Discussion

I have visited post history of this user, look pretty clean and constructive to me. At least better than one line poster. Currently he have 8 merit, so he need more 2 merit to become member rank. However I have mentioned a post above or you may visit his post history to send 2 merit. Hope someone will from merit source will help him.

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February 20, 2019, 05:23:05 PM
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I ran out of source and personal merit again Sad

Frozen Storage BIP Lockdown Mode BIP
Description : An idea regarding "cold" address type with ability to prevent coins stealing. There are lots of flaws, but we can tell there's effort on it.
Category : share technical improvement/upgrade
Section : Development & Technical Discussion

Re: Validating vs mining nodes, really a myth ?
Description : explanation about full-nodes
Category : technical answer
Section : Development & Technical Discussion

VanitySearch (Yet another address prefix finder)
Description : a vanity address generator software (which made by OP obviously), i haven't tested it though
Category : sharing open source software
Section : Development & Technical Discussion

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