Some thoughts about the old-new trust system

[TMAN]

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read your OP and tell me you are the best candidate for DT...

[cryptohunter]

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read your OP and tell me you are the best candidate for DT...

LOL says an person implicated in a big extortion scheme, a supporter and colluder of a proven LIAR and a person that demonstrates sexual deviance (not that makes you untrustworthy i guess), abuser of the Trust system.

[TheFuzzStone]

randoms shouldn't be on DT1.

As you can see, you are not deciding here, just accept this fact.

Stop complaining.

I'm not. That post is just a screenshot to show active users the importance of setting up personal DT0. You often confuse me with someone. I do not complain, do not get angry and do not take offense at you. Negative feelings are bad for the person who experiences them. I do not need this at all.

Now I need to post a couple of articles and news about Monero, translated by our XMR.RU-team.

So, I wish you to have a good evening (without sarcasm and ulterior motives). If today you write something in this thread, then I will most likely answer tomorrow or the day after.

[Lauda]

randoms shouldn't be on DT1.

As you can see, you are not deciding here, just accept this fact.

It looks like I am as you are out of DT1 (every DT1 member actually now is, which was not the case before!). Nobody in their right mind would include you (nobody has). Quite misplaced.

I can't read anything that's completely in bold. Plus probably wrong thread.

[cryptohunter]

It is very simple

pull up this

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;dtview

Now look who is supporting who

then pull up

https://bpip.org

search the user and see who is in their top 10 fans and receivers (better if could see top 20)

so we have a system where they award themselves merit, then use those awards to vote each other into positions of trust.


sounds legit

so you end up with

1. proven liars
2. proven double starndards
3. proven people that create 2 accounts to troll and sig spam for btc dust
4. proven abusers of the trust system
5. the rest a bunch of scared ass wimps who will turn a blind eye to it all.


complain to theymos

well that will not work because he put too much effort into building these systems to recognise that people are colluding and using the subjectivity he left in there to abuse the power they have. I think he is hoping in the long term these will get diluted down. Meanwhile though he does not know that it will work like that and rather the bad eggs colluding already will just groom new bag eggs and only allow them access through their earned merits.

He thinks that because he tells them to use the systems responsibly they will. LOL  you can't rely on these types of people to act unselfishly


simple and compelling theory based upon historical observable events

complain in here? this is the colluders head quarters

[OgNasty]

It is very simple

pull up this

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;dtview

Now look who is supporting who

then pull up

bpip org

search the user and see who is in their top 10 fans and receivers (better if could see top 20)

so we have a system where they award themselves merit, then use those awards to vote each other into positions of trust.


sounds legit

so you end up with

1. proven liars
2. proven double starndards
3. proven people that create 2 accounts to troll and sig spam for btc dust
4. proven abusers of the trust system
5. the rest a bunch of scared ass wimps who will turn a blind eye to it all.


complain to theymos

well that will not work because he put too much effort into building these systems to recognise that people are colluding and using the subjectivity he left in there to abuse the power they have.

simple and compelling theory based upon historical observable events

I agree with your take and think the current state of DT is embarrassing. However, theymos is trying his best to put in place a system that will ultimately lead to fair and accurate ratings. He sees what’s happening and I don’t think complaining about it will get him to change anything any sooner. Best case scenario, this system will be used as a honeypot to identify longtime abusers and blacklist them. Worst case scenario, the trust system is run by scammers so it can’t be relied upon, forcing you to make your own trust list and you go on with your life. Unless you’re dependent upon signature campaigns to keep a roof over your head, it really shouldn’t effect you at all.

[cryptohunter]

It is very simple

pull up this

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;dtview

Now look who is supporting who

then pull up

bpip org

search the user and see who is in their top 10 fans and receivers (better if could see top 20)

so we have a system where they award themselves merit, then use those awards to vote each other into positions of trust.


sounds legit

so you end up with

1. proven liars
2. proven double starndards
3. proven people that create 2 accounts to troll and sig spam for btc dust
4. proven abusers of the trust system
5. the rest a bunch of scared ass wimps who will turn a blind eye to it all.


complain to theymos

well that will not work because he put too much effort into building these systems to recognise that people are colluding and using the subjectivity he left in there to abuse the power they have.

simple and compelling theory based upon historical observable events

I agree with your take and think the current state of DT is embarrassing. However, theymos is trying his best to put in place a system that will ultimately lead to fair and accurate ratings. He sees what’s happening and I don’t think complaining about it will get him to change anything any sooner. Best case scenario, this system will be used as a honeypot to identify longtime abusers and blacklist them. Worst case scenario, the trust system is run by scammers so it can’t be relied upon, forcing you to make your own trust list and you go on with your life. Unless you’re dependent upon signature campaigns to keep a roof over your head, it really shouldn’t effect you at all.

This is true in part. However these systems of control with influence ALL persons that wish to be paid2post and trade. That is a huge section of the board. 

I am not sure how quickly if at all things can improve the longer merit is left this broken and open to abuse/collusion.

[suchmoon]

These people don't even know who I am and what I do, but nevermind   

The irony is that you probably dug your own hole with this thread. I have excluded you partly because you've you've shown very weak grasp of how the forum works and I'm worried that your trust list contains people you like but not necessarily have a good judgement. I have reviewed a few and decided that instead of excluding each one individually I'd rather exclude you. And this post complaining about that seems to indicate this was the right decision. I don't recall any other DT1 member doing that. Krogo was another one I excluded and he took it in stride.

[TheFuzzStone]

read your OP and tell me you are the best candidate for DT...

I don't know. Check my account and tell me.

Most likely that the information below will not lead to anything good. But still...
The information below is provided for informational purposes only and should not in any way affect your decision to create your DT0.

I'm a Monero-enthusiast from Ukraine and one of the creators of the biggest local Monero community: https://xmr.ru/

Probably no one will not do this, but still -- "Don't trust. Verify."

You can ask some feedbacks about me in Russian board of this forum. Then, on the biggest crypto-forum of Commonwealth of Independent States (https://forum.bits.media/).
In 2016 I worked a little with http://forklog.com/ (you can ask an owner).
Helped to organize offline crypto-events in Kyiv (the capital of Ukraine): http://blockchainconf.org  //  http://kyiv.blockchainforum.com (about these two you can ask an owner of http://gesellberg.com)
A few times work together with Livecoin exchange (you can ask it https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=462136)
If some one will need, I can also share some local Telegram chats where you can request feedbacks about me.


Also, I'm providing an escrow service. For now I'm the only Russain/Ukranian speaking escrow who can escrow a deal via multisignature not only for BTC, but also for ETH.

These are my main threads:

• https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3255367.0
• https://forum.bits.media/index.php?/topic/82054-%D0%B3%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%B0%D0%BD%D1%82-%D0%BE%D0%B1%D1%89%D0%B0%D1%8F-%D1%81%D1%83%D0%BC%D0%BC%D0%B0-%D1%81%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%BA-296-btc-%D0%B8-75-eth/

And these are my manuals:

• https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3308541   (Electrum)
• https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5045068   (GNOSIS)

EDIT HERE. Just wanna leave a link. I forgot to say that for now I'm working with HodlHodl.com. How you can check it? Check this tweet and see accounts who retweeted it (official account of HodlHodl and CEO Max Keidun).

Also I'm contributing a little to Monero:  https://github.com/TheFuzzStone

I've never participated in bounty.

And here is a list of my contacts:  https://zerobin.net/?b60e0b0d2a5b0013#Iw9rm3YwfjO9BZfmmy3GcrFgOyqQwHhXmmAvN1jRzvI=
Do not forget to ask me to sign the message with my PGP-key if you find my nickname on other sites. To verify the signed message just paste it here: https://keybase.io/verify

Nobody in their right mind would include you (nobody has). Quite misplaced.

Ok.

The irony is that you probably dug your own hole with this thread.

It does not matter. I did not break up the forum rules -- the thread is created in the correct section and I just expressed my thoughts without offending or insulting anyone.

I have excluded you partly because you've you've shown very weak grasp of how the forum works and I'm worried that your trust list contains people you like but not necessarily have a good judgement.

This is an informed choice, and that is good, I like it.

EDIT. Fixed some typos and added links to Twitter post that confirms my collaboration with HodlHodl.com and also added link to my Github.

[TMAN]

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you don't fully understand the system, you have loads of rando's on your trust list, and you excluded me and others as retaliation.

all in all you are a shit candidate for DT-1 fella, nothing personal at all - I said something similar to someone I trust and respect, but he did something about it..

[cryptohunter]

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you don't fully understand the system, you have loads of rando's on your trust list, and you excluded me and others as retaliation.

all in all you are a shit candidate for DT-1 fella, nothing personal at all - I said something similar to someone I trust and respect, but he did something about it..

Tman - extortion suspect with lauda and owlcatz who support him on dt - red trusts people for presenting facts. Sexual deviant rantings.
lauda - proven liar, extortion suspect and some say has shady escrow practises
suchmoon - proven double standards

excluding them apparently means you are in a different gang to them and you are in the wrong .

They have good reasons to exclude you but can not provide anything to demonstrate that you are untrustworthy

I like it.

[TheFuzzStone]

Bump!

Today is a good day... to make your own DT0.

Dear User, take this seriously. if you read this, see the links please:

• DefaultTrust changes

• A short introduction to the Trust System

• [Explained] Importance of Custom Trust List

• Customized Trust Network – Interactive tool to see who we trust/distrust

• [Infographic] Leaving Feedback vs Custom Trust List

[TMAN]

Today is a good day... to make your own DT0.

Dear User, take this seriously. if you read this, see the links please:

100% back this up. FYI anyone interested

~TheFuzzStone is on my trustlist.

xxx

[cryptohunter]

Today is a good day... to make your own DT0.

Dear User, take this seriously. if you read this, see the links please:

100% back this up. FYI anyone interested

~TheFuzzStone is on my trustlist.

xxx

Must mean he is not someone you want there for good reason.

Anyone with a ~ on a trust abusers (tman) list is probably worth looking at and likely to be very trustworthy.

Can you put you list up tman I'd like to laugh at the concentration of dirt bags.

[TheFuzzStone]

I'll bump this thread with my answer to you.

100% back this up. FYI anyone interested

Oh, you know that's not true. If everything was fine, there wouldn't be changes. Does that make sense? (rhetorical question)

Must mean he is not someone you want there for good reason.

I also received a negative feedback because I'm spreading the information about this:

• DefaultTrust changes

• A short introduction to the Trust System

• [Explained] Importance of Custom Trust List

• Customized Trust Network – Interactive tool to see who we trust/distrust

• [Infographic] Leaving Feedback vs Custom Trust List

[DabLjat]

"..."

I think my topic will also be interesting:
TMAN abuse DT system. Remove TMAN from DT, include him in Blacklist from future

[cryptohunter]

I'll bump this thread with my answer to you.

100% back this up. FYI anyone interested

Oh, you know that's not true. If everything was fine, there wouldn't be changes. Does that make sense? (rhetorical question)

Must mean he is not someone you want there for good reason.

I also received a negative feedback because I'm spreading the information about this:

• DefaultTrust changes

• A short introduction to the Trust System

• [Explained] Importance of Custom Trust List

• Customized Trust Network – Interactive tool to see who we trust/distrust

• [Infographic] Leaving Feedback vs Custom Trust List

Well yes exactly so.

If you dare to mention facts about any dirty tricks they are implicated in or something they dont like...... red trust lol

You can not red trust for fact based posts.

Can, have and will.

if you don't like it I suggest you petition all other DT-1 members to exclude me or if they feel that my tagging of you is not needed or accurate they will reach out to me like adults and have actual fluid conversations

so - Like it or fuck off back to your hole.


xxxx laters sexy pants