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March 07, 2019, 07:33:08 AM
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i guess your government are willing to risk the funds that can be collected from gambling right?because s I believe only muslim countries are prohibited gambling in their regions or i may miss something

But if thats the reason i think your government is doing one good thing because instead of people losing money in gambling they will save the amount for the family in thatay economy will rise

And also your right that people has on expectations even they know that no one really wins in gambling
But not many people lose money to gambling as we think, if that is the case, Charlie sheen of 2 and a half man would have one broke by now ever since he left the series because he gambles a lot  and if he has not been winning, he would not continue.

I know gambling can be addictive but when you play with a matured mind, I don’t think it should be an issue trying to make extra income, which doesn’t mean it is only gambling that the gambler invest all his money on, so let us all stop seeing all gamblers as degenerated someone as the Author of this post describe.

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March 07, 2019, 08:38:13 AM
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I agree with your opinion about a young age should be stopped from gambling, but the problem is they can easily access every website with internet connection which available everywhere. They can access gambling website in the cafe or the malls.

I think the governments which are prohibit gambling in their country as trying hard to block every gambling site so people especially young age cannot access that site but you know, the internet connection is not hard to find in today. Perhaps, it is our jobs to take care of the young age around us or even our kids to stay away from gambling. I am sure if we can explain to them about how dangerous gambling games for their life, they will understand and they will obey us.

Besides that, we need to make a friendly approaching to young age, so they know that playing gambling is not good in their ages and even it will risk their life too in the future. And soon, after the young age realizes the risk of gambling game, they will become aware that they don't have to use gambling as one way to having fun and there is any other activity that they can use in their free time.

This is only more the reason for more regulations to attempt to stop this sort of behavior, and I think the companies that are attempting to skirt these rules should be held liable for the problems that they're going to cause down the line because they won't ensure that their site (to the best of their knowledge) isn't being used by those under 18. Companies know exactly what they're doing and they're reaping the rewards of letting underage people gamble, though they should soon face the legal consequences.

I think the government can stop them by creating a regulation to control the site even if the site is not hosted in their country and they can make cooperation with the other country to control the gambling spreading.

But it's difficult to know their site is not being used by younger age because the government and the gambling websites don't know who the person that is playing gambling on their site is. They will feel difficult if the gambler using VPN to hide their IP from tracking.

And in the crypto gambling, it's very difficult to know who owns the wallet for the gambling transaction even the gambling website is already told to the government about their wallet for the transaction.

Perhaps, we need to gather and talk about the real solution, but the most important is by watching the young ages to not making illegal things that can make their lives in the dangerous.
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March 07, 2019, 11:48:44 AM
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Gambling may be bad but it's also another way to enjoy life and you must have limitation when gambling. Start with the money you afford to lose so that you still have money. Having strategy can also help you think gambling is not all about bringing a negative impact on your life. Stay Posirive, avoid getting involved too much.

It is upto individual how they want to take it. Like for those who want to just make money will play only to win and most likely will end up losing a lot of money if do not stop at right time. While for others who just play to entertain them self will continue to gamble and enjoy irrespective of the results.

Because gambling has the possibility to make your life degenerates or worse then you have to prepare it as best you can. yeah it will depend on individuals themselves, whatever their goals in gambling, they have to prepare well like the amount of capital, controls and so on
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March 07, 2019, 01:31:04 PM
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This is only more the reason for more regulations to attempt to stop this sort of behavior, and I think the companies that are attempting to skirt these rules should be held liable for the problems that they're going to cause down the line because they won't ensure that their site (to the best of their knowledge) isn't being used by those under 18. Companies know exactly what they're doing and they're reaping the rewards of letting underage people gamble, though they should soon face the legal consequences.

This argument also applies to porn sites.
All online casinos can do is to put a disclaimer/warning sign since they cannot hire a bouncer to keep out underage people to enter.

What is your idea to solve this problem? KYC?
This problem perhaps might have none other solution than KYC. There are a lot of underage peoples who are well trained and advanced in gambling which makes them go for it but the consequences doesn’t allow this. There should be a sudden age limit for each casino or a gambling website where only aged peoples can gamble but practically it is quite difficult to implement this. Even similar situation could be see with porn but it can’t be changed until and unless KYC is made mandatory.
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March 07, 2019, 01:37:36 PM
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Gambling may be bad but it's also another way to enjoy life and you must have limitation when gambling. Start with the money you afford to lose so that you still have money. Having strategy can also help you think gambling is not all about bringing a negative impact on your life. Stay Posirive, avoid getting involved too much.

I guess your right, gambling might have a negative effect on someone's social life but if it will be addressed correctly then it can also release stress. So doing gambling is just another way of recreation ad not for addiction.

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March 07, 2019, 01:54:08 PM
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Gambling may be bad but it's also another way to enjoy life and you must have limitation when gambling. Start with the money you afford to lose so that you still have money. Having strategy can also help you think gambling is not all about bringing a negative impact on your life. Stay Posirive, avoid getting involved too much.

I guess your right, gambling might have a negative effect on someone's social life but if it will be addressed correctly then it can also release stress. So doing gambling is just another way of recreation ad not for addiction.
For me, gambling is just another form of socialization but somehow some people will seriously make this as another profitable job(which they are wrong). Some of us have fall into addiction cause they'll never control themselves and so the government let this things happen.
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March 07, 2019, 02:04:27 PM
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Gambling may be bad but it's also another way to enjoy life and you must have limitation when gambling. Start with the money you afford to lose so that you still have money. Having strategy can also help you think gambling is not all about bringing a negative impact on your life. Stay Posirive, avoid getting involved too much.

I guess your right, gambling might have a negative effect on someone's social life but if it will be addressed correctly then it can also release stress. So doing gambling is just another way of recreation ad not for addiction.
Gambling should be treated well, its not a source of income because of its nature, we can really have fun on this. But when i go to casinos last time, i saw a more serious crowd who are keep on playing withouth having any mark of happiness on their face, i think gambling makes them more stress which is not healthy.
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March 07, 2019, 03:00:42 PM
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Well, by calling degenerates those people who gamble I think it's exaggerated or overstated. Degenerate could mean immoral or having lost the physical, mental, or moral qualities. There were rich and famous who gamble, VIPs, politicians, and head of states, as well, I think they wouldn't be happy if they chance upon your subject.

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March 07, 2019, 03:13:16 PM
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For me, gambling is just another form of socialization but somehow some people will seriously make this as another profitable job(which they are wrong). Some of us have fall into addiction cause they'll never control themselves and so the government let this things happen.
Unless you made a right decision not to fall in gambling too much that will result to gambling addiction. Once a person started to learn then that person will have a hard time to stop being addicted in gambling for example. You are right about another kind of socialazation but it can also put you into a real mess which is hard to overcome and start worrying other things that will result in great stress and worst possible to happen is you'll be penniless.

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March 07, 2019, 03:38:20 PM
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What created the stigma towards gambling is not the act itself, but the addiction that someone develops in a continuous basis. Anyone who is addicted to something would exercise the means of satisfying themselves with that hobby. They fail to see the negative effects of it especially to their surroundings since they get close-minded whenever they do it.
Gambling, or like any other hobby that is addicting, can be dangerous if one lacks the discipline to control it.

For me, gambling is just another form of socialization but somehow some people will seriously make this as another profitable job(which they are wrong). Some of us have fall into addiction cause they'll never control themselves and so the government let this things happen.
Unless you made a right decision not to fall in gambling too much that will result to gambling addiction. Once a person started to learn then that person will have a hard time to stop being addicted in gambling for example. You are right about another kind of socialazation but it can also put you into a real mess which is hard to overcome and start worrying other things that will result in great stress and worst possible to happen is you'll be penniless.

Unfortunately, addicts (in general) only care about themselves and the hobby that they do. They tend to ignore the people that they affect and they are also manipulative at some point.

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March 07, 2019, 04:49:28 PM
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I don't know why you call them degenerates! yep, it is hostile.
And why do you separate regular gamblers from those gambling for fun!
As far as they don't hurt anyone, they are free to do whatever they want with their money <= this should be the cryteria to tell whether a gambler is a degenerate or not, not how often he gambles.

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I think it’s insensitive to call adults that gamble degenerates, this is because these passionate gamblers are pretty much in their right senses and they only do these as a way to get money or become rich. Many have in one way or the other mapped out the kind of life they want, the good things of life they would like to enjoy and they see gambling as a way of making money to make them achieve those dream.

Yes, it’s true that most time it looks as though they are addicted but truth is passion leads to addiction. I am sure they would also put same energy in other things that can bring them money if they had an idea of it. The society these days see something wrong with gambling because of the few times some people loose and not gain anything but the truth is that all businesses involves risk and many  times the higher the risk, the greater the benefit and that is exactly how it is with gambling.

Gambling may not be a way you ever want to make money and that is fine but I don’t think you should discourage those who do it if you can’t get them another profitable idea to becoming rich. I think what is necessary is for gamblers to learn discipline and know when to stop or when to pause.

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March 07, 2019, 06:36:57 PM
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You shouldn't be promoting gambling then.  May i say non-gamblers like myself who promote gambling are hypocrites... lol

Gambling should be seen as any other game in my opinion. Gambling addiction is the problem not and gambling.
People should be made aware about the implications.
Banning gambling won't prevent people from playing it at home.
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March 07, 2019, 07:06:24 PM
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I don't think gambling should be referred to degenerated as many of us here have gotten some benefits from it.  Remember that most of the industry and websites that are promoting cryptocurrencies and bitcoin now are gambling and betting industries . If it is not good for you,  you should not think it is not good for others.
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March 07, 2019, 07:12:22 PM
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That is a very harsh statement and you may find yourself offending some people considering the demography you posted to.
You might as well go to the Economics section and claim how much of a scam Bitcoin is and how we should all sell  Roll Eyes
I have a work mate who comes in often late on Mondays.  The ongoing joke in the office is that he had a "rough night at his Sunday office" as in he lost a lot of money the night before.
This is a degenerate even if hes a nice man he lets gambling dictate his mood which in return effects others.


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March 07, 2019, 08:18:28 PM
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My sister is working in a sport betting office and she told some stories about such addicted people. For example, the office worked on new year's holidays just because of there were a lot of ones who wished to make a bet. Or when se goes at work, some people are already impatiently waiting to the office open.
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March 07, 2019, 08:55:05 PM
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In my opinion, gambling is not that different from playing games like PUBG, DOTA2, etc., it triggers "joy hormone" and give you a sense of accomplishment. Since young people often cannot control that urge to play (driven from hormone), they would easily be addicted, and in the end, their brain got permanently damaged.

At the end of the day, this is just about self-control.
I agree with you completely and probably that is why there can be law enforcement to ban young ones below a certain age from gambling because they might not really know much about self-control but for a grown adult who has chosen his path and feels that is his way to become rich, he should be left responsible for his decisions.

I have a friend who was just an addicted gambler, he was called names for years and has lost a lot to gambling but earlier this year, luck shone on him and ho won lotto and right now he is among the richest people in my community. Like you said it’s all about self-control.
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March 07, 2019, 09:17:58 PM
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I think most people don't know what is a "money that you can afford to lose" especially the newbies in gambling. Most of them don't know how to handle their hard earned money to not put it all in their bankroll when gambling. Gambling may be part of our life but when it is being played too much and your focused is center on this, then it is not right to continue further.

Those who gamble without thinking or considering what is the outcome may it be good or bad, it's just that they risk too much just for the money because they think gamble could be a source of income which is literally not true.

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March 07, 2019, 09:37:52 PM
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I hardly consider this a "gotcha" moment since nobody attempted to trick you into anything.  You've discredited yourself by your own lack of integrity having failed to take a principled stance against a behaviour on which you publicly claim to have a negative view. 

Of course, he is mainly referring to the people on the extreme part of the spectrum and not the majority of occasional gamblers. Despite the fact that he thinks negatively about gambling in general (which I do too) but that's besides the point here. The whole signature situation is a funny coincidence but that doesn't mean he has no integrity or makes the statement less valid. That's like saying that someone who works for H&M must have nothing against child labor. Gotta do what you gotta do to get by.

An addiction is a chronic disorder - a complex disease.  People with addiction need treatment rather than your moral judgment of their character.

If you were brought up in an environment where this was never a problem and for some reason still contract the 'disease' and let it escalate to the point where it is everything you do on a day to day basis. Then it's your OWN fault and I have 0.0% pity for you whatsoever. If you know what the risks are before you get into it and still get addicted to it and lack the character to get out of it you ARE a degenerate.
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March 07, 2019, 10:02:00 PM
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People are still in the confused mind to take the decision this will be the main problem for gambling will changing every time and going to the negative side of your decision but always been more calm and composed will needed and also important here so keep it yourself and make it yourself will be the most appropriate statement for this.
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