[BCN] Bytecoin. Secure, private, untraceable since 2012

[sorryforthat]

Oh really. Do you have any idea where those timestamps come from?

If they stored a hash of the the BCN genesis block into the BTC blockchain buried back in 2012, I'd be somewhat impressed. Timestamps in their own blockchain, not so much.

You never miss a beat, do you smooth. You're like the Cryptocoin conspiracy theorist.

Why would a group of people who devoted so much time and thought, create a lie about something as trivial as a date.

[ProfMac]

Oh really. Do you have any idea where those timestamps come from?

If they stored a hash of the the BCN genesis block into the BTC blockchain buried back in 2012, I'd be somewhat impressed. Timestamps in their own blockchain, not so much.

You never miss a beat, do you smooth. You're like the Cryptocoin conspiracy theorist.

Why would a group of people who devoted so much time and thought, create a lie about something as trivial as a date.

Is there an announcement, say on bitcointalk, that is earlier than April 1, 2013?
Is there something like a newspaper headline in the genesis block comment?

[darlidada]

Oh really. Do you have any idea where those timestamps come from?

If they stored a hash of the the BCN genesis block into the BTC blockchain buried back in 2012, I'd be somewhat impressed. Timestamps in their own blockchain, not so much.

You never miss a beat, do you smooth. You're like the Cryptocoin conspiracy theorist.

Why would a group of people who devoted so much time and thought, create a lie about something as trivial as a date.

to mak money because people would be more eager to buy ?

[TheKoziTwo]

How long does a withdrawal usually take on the cryptonote exchange? 12 hours? This is the longest I've ever waited for a withdrawal to process 

Bytecoin withdraws was completed a few hours ago. You must be prepared to wait up to 24 hours, but often it will be sent within few hours.

[GreekBitcoin]

Oh really. Do you have any idea where those timestamps come from?

If they stored a hash of the the BCN genesis block into the BTC blockchain buried back in 2012, I'd be somewhat impressed. Timestamps in their own blockchain, not so much.

You never miss a beat, do you smooth. You're like the Cryptocoin conspiracy theorist.

Why would a group of people who devoted so much time and thought, create a lie about something as trivial as a date.

The most reasonable explanation IMO is that it was a test coin for some time and devs instead of launching a new one without their test premine decided to launch it and see what money they can grab by dumping what they have.

A few conspiracy like comments like hurr durr this coin is very known in dark net and who knows for what is being used make noobs believing in that.

Well i guess somehow devs should be paid for their very nice algo. And as people exist that fall for it even for a few BTC thats good for devs No hard feelings. They seem to have delivered a very promising algo.

[nakaone]

Oh really. Do you have any idea where those timestamps come from?

If they stored a hash of the the BCN genesis block into the BTC blockchain buried back in 2012, I'd be somewhat impressed. Timestamps in their own blockchain, not so much.

You never miss a beat, do you smooth. You're like the Cryptocoin conspiracy theorist.

Why would a group of people who devoted so much time and thought, create a lie about something as trivial as a date.

The most reasonable explanation IMO is that it was a test coin for some time and devs instead of launching a new one without their test premine decided to launch it and see what money they can grab by dumping what they have.

A few conspiracy like comments like hurr durr this coin is very known in dark net and who knows for what is being used make noobs believing in that.

Well i guess somehow devs should be paid for their very nice algo. And as people exist that fall for it even for a few BTC thats good for devs No hard feelings. They seem to have delivered a very promising algo.

#2

I only have inferior knowledge on dark and deepweb but I could not find any place where it is used. I am assuming until know dark and deepweb are using bitcoins and litecoins + mixing services.

[sorryforthat]

#2

I only have inferior knowledge on dark and deepweb but I could not find any place where it is used. I am assuming until know dark and deepweb are using bitcoins and litecoins + mixing services.

You are aware that much of the internet is not really indexed. Darkweb isnt really the only place to hide. You dont need to do much to hide in plain sight.

[JohnnyBTCSeed]

Oh really. Do you have any idea where those timestamps come from?

If they stored a hash of the the BCN genesis block into the BTC blockchain buried back in 2012, I'd be somewhat impressed. Timestamps in their own blockchain, not so much.

You never miss a beat, do you smooth. You're like the Cryptocoin conspiracy theorist.

Why would a group of people who devoted so much time and thought, create a lie about something as trivial as a date.

To remove any doubt about a pre-mine. Here look at the monkey! Obviously the genesis block wouldn't lie.

Note: No disrespect to the devs, You've done some amazing work.


The question is though,  Can ANYONE create a genesis block with a fake timestamp. IE: is it possible?

[shekelsteingoyberg2]

The question is though,  Can ANYONE create a genesis block with a fake timestamp. IE: is it possible?

If you control the entire network anything is possible.

[smooth]

The question is though,  Can ANYONE create a genesis block with a fake timestamp. IE: is it possible?

It's not only possible it is quite trivial.

Code:

block.timestamp = time()

Could easily be replaced with

Code:

block.timestamp = some other number

The only issue is getting the rest of the blocks built on top of it. In a distributed network, a block won't be accepted if the timestamp is too far off, but if you are running the whole network yourself, you can easily disable that check.

[smooth]

Oh really. Do you have any idea where those timestamps come from?

If they stored a hash of the the BCN genesis block into the BTC blockchain buried back in 2012, I'd be somewhat impressed. Timestamps in their own blockchain, not so much.

You never miss a beat, do you smooth. You're like the Cryptocoin conspiracy theorist.

Why would a group of people who devoted so much time and thought, create a lie about something as trivial as a date.

To justify keeping 150 billion coins instead of relaunching it upon release.

[sorryforthat]

Oh really. Do you have any idea where those timestamps come from?

If they stored a hash of the the BCN genesis block into the BTC blockchain buried back in 2012, I'd be somewhat impressed. Timestamps in their own blockchain, not so much.

You never miss a beat, do you smooth. You're like the Cryptocoin conspiracy theorist.

Why would a group of people who devoted so much time and thought, create a lie about something as trivial as a date.

To justify keeping 150 billion coins instead of relaunching it upon release.

You want it all handed to you on a silver platter. Do remember that the devs never publicly posted this to the forum and never attempted to spread it to the bitcoin community. No ANN or Re-launch. It was discovered and posted by DStrange and spread by a lot of the people involved with Monero whether it be Devs or Early adopters, myself included. So once again, the need for them to lie is very moot at this point.

[graphfox]

Oh really. Do you have any idea where those timestamps come from?

If they stored a hash of the the BCN genesis block into the BTC blockchain buried back in 2012, I'd be somewhat impressed. Timestamps in their own blockchain, not so much.

You never miss a beat, do you smooth. You're like the Cryptocoin conspiracy theorist.

Why would a group of people who devoted so much time and thought, create a lie about something as trivial as a date.

To justify keeping 150 billion coins instead of relaunching it upon release.

Keeping or dumping them seems less reasonable than emission through the still missing GUI wallet. Mining never seemed like the best way to get a currency emitted anyway.

[matej krkic]

Oh really. Do you have any idea where those timestamps come from?

If they stored a hash of the the BCN genesis block into the BTC blockchain buried back in 2012, I'd be somewhat impressed. Timestamps in their own blockchain, not so much.

You never miss a beat, do you smooth. You're like the Cryptocoin conspiracy theorist.

Why would a group of people who devoted so much time and thought, create a lie about something as trivial as a date.

To justify keeping 150 billion coins instead of relaunching it upon release.

You want it all handed to you on a silver platter. Do remember that the devs never publicly posted this to the forum and never attempted to spread it to the bitcoin community. No ANN or Re-launch. It was discovered and posted by DStrange and spread by a lot of the people involved with Monero whether it be Devs or Early adopters, myself included. So once again, the need for them to lie is very moot at this point.

+1

It's useless to argue with smooth about bytecoin. He has his own religion. It's like him believing in Flying Spaghetti Monster. We cannot claim him for his religion =)

[smooth]

You want it all handed to you on a silver platter. Do remember that the devs never publicly posted this to the forum and never attempted to spread it to the bitcoin community.

I know a bunch of Newbie accounts with no real previous activity started posting about it, yes.

As I said before, the developers were either idiots, thinking that a coin with new real user base could possibly be successful, or they saw that executing premine scams was getting harder and dressed it up with a little extra gloss (secret deep web stores and services, cicada 3301, etc.). I don't think they are idiots.

On top of which, the code they did release had a deliberately (or at best highly suspicious) de-optimized miner ensuring a continued advantage over other miners. This is not my opinion, it is the opinion of several well known and highly talented programmers on this forum. You can dismiss my religious views, but you can't dismiss code.

[GreekBitcoin]

Oh really. Do you have any idea where those timestamps come from?

If they stored a hash of the the BCN genesis block into the BTC blockchain buried back in 2012, I'd be somewhat impressed. Timestamps in their own blockchain, not so much.

You never miss a beat, do you smooth. You're like the Cryptocoin conspiracy theorist.

Why would a group of people who devoted so much time and thought, create a lie about something as trivial as a date.

To justify keeping 150 billion coins instead of relaunching it upon release.

You want it all handed to you on a silver platter. Do remember that the devs never publicly posted this to the forum and never attempted to spread it to the bitcoin community. No ANN or Re-launch. It was discovered and posted by DStrange and spread by a lot of the people involved with Monero whether it be Devs or Early adopters, myself included. So once again, the need for them to lie is very moot at this point.

+1

It's useless to argue with smooth about bytecoin. He has his own religion. It's like him believing in Flying Spaghetti Monster. We cannot claim him for his religion =)

Meanwhile the only one that truly believes that there is nothing wrong with 80% of bytecoins mined without a single info of bytecoin for alleged 2 years is you. It's like you believe in God. Actually now that i think about it in Xenu!

[Rias]

Hm, there's something I'd really like to see for Bytecoin. A cryptonote pool from https://github.com/zone117x/node-cryptonote-pool

Can anybody create this one to mine instead of closed-source Minergate?

[flower1024]

Hm, there's something I'd really like to see for Bytecoin. A cryptonote pool from https://github.com/zone117x/node-cryptonote-pool

Can anybody create this one to mine instead of closed-source Minergate?

They've released open-source instructions for the miner.

Does MinerGate still have withdrawal problems?

[Rias]

Hm, there's something I'd really like to see for Bytecoin. A cryptonote pool from https://github.com/zone117x/node-cryptonote-pool

Can anybody create this one to mine instead of closed-source Minergate?

They've released open-source instructions for the miner.

Does MinerGate still have withdrawal problems?

I know, but there are two points I keep in mind:

1) Open-source pools can attract those users that don't like closed-source pools in general. And having just a 3rd party mining tool connected to a private pool is not sufficient. After all, is there any way to check what's really going on with the payments?

2) I personally couldn't make Bytecoin compile with their instructions. Although I have all dependencies, I run into "internal compiler error" on Ubuntu 14.04. I'm not an advanced Ubuntu user, but trying to beat the error and even reinstalling different versions of Ubuntu (12.10 & 13.04) I arrived at nothing although the compiler hits this bug on different % of the job.

I've tried Minergate's withdrawal on Saturday, it worked for 300k BCNs.

[Cheesus]

I know, but there are two points I keep in mind:

1) Open-source pools can attract those users that don't like closed-source pools in general. And having just a 3rd party mining tool connected to a private pool is not sufficient. After all, is there any way to check what's really going on with the payments?

2) I personally couldn't make Bytecoin compile with their instructions. Although I have all dependencies, I run into "internal compiler error" on Ubuntu 14.04. I'm not an advanced Ubuntu user, but trying to beat the error and even reinstalling different versions of Ubuntu (12.10 & 13.04) I arrived at nothing although the compiler hits this bug on different % of the job.

I've tried Minergate's withdrawal on Saturday, it worked for 300k BCNs.

#1 is a valid point. DStrange, how much can you assign from Bytecoin call-to-arms fund to those starting a BCN open-source pool? (If it is that easy with the node-cryptonote-pool).

About #2. That is quite weird, minergate's instructions worked fine for me. Are you using virtual machine? What's your RAM size?