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Let's have a healthy discussion as to why Yobit is/might be a shady exchange, and whether or not the promoters of said service should face any repercussions for the damages they do against customers who are unknown to Yobit's business practices. (Which is to squeeze as much money out of every customer possible.). Or if this is completely healthy, and everyone just has to do their own due diligence before using them.



Table of Contents:
I. Prologue.
II. List of various accusations against yobit. (Cannot be effectively proven, as we only have other people's accusations.)
III. Yobit selectively scamming users and freezing withdrawals. (Cannot be effectively proven, as we only have other people's accusations.)
IV. Yobit' site owners orchestrating pump & dumps.
V. Yobit's InvestmentBox .
VI Yobit's ticker ignorance/fraud.

Sources.
[1]
[2] https://cointelegraph.com/news/cryptocurrency-exchange-yobit-investigated-in-russia-on-fraud-claims /  http://forbes.net.ua/news/1428269-komanda-forbes-ukraina-stanovitsya-mind-ua (?)
[3] https://bitnewstoday.com/news/exchange/businessman-connected-with-yobit-arrested-in-moscow/ / http://www.coinfox.info/news/8864-millions-of-nem-stolen-from-coincheck-transferred-to-russia-related-exchange-yobit (?)
[4] https://twitter.com/yobitexchange/status/1050035464609124352?lang=en / https://twitter.com/yobitexchange/status/1050777225505705984?lang=en
[5] https://www.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/7wobq0/reasons_why_i_avoid_yobit_and_why_you_probably/
[6] https://bitcoinexchangeguide.com/warning-russian-crypto-exchange-yobit-uses-ticker-name-to-fraud-traders/
[7] https://medium.com/@rdbritannia/the-exchange-ticker-scam-from-russia-with-love-7d6e206c3b64
[8] https://cryptoinsider.com/yobit-net-scammers-incompetence/

I. For those who don't know about yobit, they're a russian exchange[1], with various features which i think are quite controversial. They've been investigated for fraud in the past[2]. And have unknown owners. Although it is rumored that the actual owner was arrested on fraud charges[3]. It's unclear to me whether or not this is actually true though(?).

I might have a wrong view of certain business practices conducted at Yobit. If my accusations against them are false/ungrounded, please feel free to refute them.

II. This is pretty shocking. Over the years Yobit garnered hundreds of scam accusations, most of which have gone unanswered despite them having a BTT account. I haven't seen this number of scam accusations against any other exchange.

Just a few examples;

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2163490.0  HOW YOBIT SCAMMED ME
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2831618.0 YOBIT SCAMMED ME 15.20780976 ETHEREUM
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1880931.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4327871.0 YOBIT Scam Exchange
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4319301.0 Yobit scam ? Trade lost money
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3948962 Yobit SCAM - SYSCOIN withdrawal
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3636433.0 1000+ ETH blocked: Yobit.net won't explain or resolve
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3109307.0 YOBIT scam - class action law suit
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3893592.0 YoBit seems wants to steal my money. Are they scammed?
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3659923 Scam market YObit.net and YObit.io
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3307444.0 Yobit.Net Scamming My Deposit

III.
I'm kind of reluctant to show these as proof that yobit is a shady exchange, or scamming customers, as i don't know the ins and outs of each case..
However it is obvious that with yobit there's far more users complaining that they can't withdraw coins/their wallets have been frozen.

Some accusations, again.
Please unfreeze my YoBit account
Support tickets about NewYorkcoins should be directed to Yobit
yobit about to take off ?
WARNING YObit is a scam (User was able to login but had no support offered whatsoever.)
You can google far more examples of users not getting answers to their tickets, and thinking that they've lost their funds.

Now onto the observable questionable behavior:

IV. This one is quite obvious, and they're not shy from hiding it.

What they used to do is just call it a pump and dump, and  add a timer as to when they were going to "release" it (the pump). It was announced on all of their social media, "Pump and dump in X hours"[4] https://yobit.net/en/pump/timer/

It's unclear to me whether they still do this. (but don't worry, they replaced it with an instrument just as bad!)

So, after a boatload of criticism, i guess they changed it to "New ICO in X hours, (what's now a new "IEO"), so that it isn't really market manipulation anymore. (I'm guessing?)

They're still doing this as of today. You can see the countdown timer here. https://yobit.net/en/ico/timer/

Basically, they launch a non-existing project, and users can buy their sack of shit, hoping an even bigger fool will buy it from a higher price from them. I guess one could argue that this isn't against any laws, but it sure as hell is shady. And perhaps it is actually quite unethical to serve your customers a literal pile of dogshit with atleast some of them not knowing that what is on the menu is not edible..

They are conducting IEO for coins that do not exist - it's not a project. They make a paid "SHROOM" let's say, and that's it, new coin added. It's to generate profit for those who get in early - a kind of gambling game. It can be profitable or very taxing. I guess nothing wrong with that and up to each use to play their part or avoid it.
From someone who participated in them.

V. Their InvestBox. despite them stating the obvious;
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Invest your free coins to InvestBox! It’s a tool for devs to promote their coins. It’s NOT Pyramid/HYIP, all payments are made from special fund.
InvestBoxes can change status from Active to «No coins», but you can close your investment any time, it’s 100% safe.
If it's not a ponzi, (which, well, it really does have all the looks of it.), it for sure is a nice way to get more people into a shitcoin, of which the dev can then just dump all the coins of slowly to 1 sat. I believe this is what has been happening, and is the entire purpose of the "InvestBox".

Take a look at the "MOON" and "URANIX" investment plans, and it becomes fairly obvious.
https://yobit.net/en/trade/MOON/BTC
https://yobit.net/en/trade/URANIX/BTC

Again, as i see it, this is just another way for yobit and shady coin developers to squeeze some more money out of ignorant/new traders.

VI. Yobit's ticker ignorance, or plain fraud? I'm not sure.

There are a couple articles about this explaining it, but basically it went like this. Yobit (or was it a third-party? No one knows...) created a shitcoin called Boat's n Boobs', and listed it as BNB.
through washtrading they kept the price ~x% under the actual marketprice BNB (Binance Coin) was trading at, and defrauded investors who thought they were buying actual BNB coins.

Code: (https://steemit.com/yobit/@gandalfthetartan/fooling-the-traders-from-russia-with-love)
1. Yobit take an established coin Omise_Go (OMG).
2. They then quietly create their own, useless coin, entitled OMGame.
3. Listing OMGame on their market using the ticker (OMG) at a handful of Satoshi cheaper than current market price they drive up hype for discount purchases (no note of OMGame is made to the consumer on the trading screen).
4. Volume is artificially kept high thanks to exchange wash-trading.
5. When people grow wise to the scam, Yobit delete the coin, leaving traders out of pocket unable to sell elsewhere.
6. Support emails in return claim that the coin was a 3rd party technology that no longer met the exchange's T&C and Yobit is not liable for remuneration.

The coin got "delisted" after some controversy.

Some articles/ reddit threads; [5] [6] [7] [8]


Now there are multiple questions to answer, the first one being as to what extend this sort of behavior is fraudulent, (If fraudulent at all, you decide.), and if it is, to what extent the promoters of Yobit are complicit in this.

People who promote ponzi schemes in Gambling threads, or advertise pump&dump groups are usually tagged/ ushered away rather quickly. If Yobit was proven to also engage in that behavior, wouldn't wearing their signature be essentially the same as promoting a ponzi/pump&dump scheme? (I don't know..)

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April 21, 2019, 12:10:31 PM
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I wasn't aware of any issues with Yobit (I'm not really an active trader). I'll start reading all your reference links. I'm not going to wear a signature for a scam/shading exchange. Will definitely remove it if Yobit is a proven scam.

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April 21, 2019, 12:24:31 PM
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if Yobit is a proven scam.
Yobit is definitely a scam. Read those scam accusation linked again and again.

Even the signature campaign is managed by a reputed manager or escrowed, yobit is still shady as hell. Resolve those tons of scam accusation first before trying to cover those scams with their paying campaign.

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April 21, 2019, 03:16:07 PM
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i used . yobit since 2017 . and i dont have any problem with it ;deposit and withdraw instantly
There are some scammer on offecial page twitter yobit (https://twitter.com/YobitExchange) claim themselves as support employees (if you have any issue you must open ticket)






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April 22, 2019, 11:54:17 AM
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i used . yobit since 2017 . and i dont have any problem with it ;deposit and withdraw instantly
There are some scammer on offecial page twitter yobit (https://twitter.com/YobitExchange) claim themselves as support employees (if you have any issue you must open ticket)
The only thing i see on their twitter is users replying that their deposit hasn't been credited, or that they've been scammed in a different way.
(Perhaps because they don't get a reply on their ticket? (I'm just guessing here...))

https://twitter.com/YobitExchange/status/1101219941095755781
https://twitter.com/YobitExchange/status/1118118913861148672
https://twitter.com/YobitExchange/status/1100776509680377861

Are those users commenting scammers too?  Roll Eyes

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April 22, 2019, 12:21:11 PM
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Thank you for putting this together. I knew some of it but not all. Ticker fraud would sound quite hilarious if it wasn't so damn scammy.

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April 22, 2019, 01:13:58 PM
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I used Yobit before but luckily I don't encounter any major problem, there is only one thing their servers are slow and it causes lag.
I'm not defending yobit but with those proof and so many evidence of scam accusation, why yobit still exist? It should be taken down already. Someone
needs to step up and file a case.
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Let's have a healthy discussion as to why Yobit is/might be a shady exchange, and whether or not the promoters of said service should face any repercussions for the damages they do against customers who are unknown to Yobit's business practices. (Which is to squeeze as much money out of every customer possible.). Or if this is completely healthy, and everyone just has to do their own due diligence before using them.

The fact that they essentially incentivise pyramid-like activity on their platform with things like ROMs (Rise only markets) and their Investbox (which is essentially somewhat of a HYIP in itself) makes them shady at best.

This is not to mention the fact that their customer support has demonstrated time and time again that they are completely unreliable and will not help you out when you encounter any sort of issue with them. That is a fact given the absurd numbers of complaints you see on this forum on a regular basis.

Is it a normal business model for an exchange to encourage manipulation and even make a new type of market, and the IEOs, solely for manipulation? Definitely not. Is the Investbox a ponzi? I'd say so, and it'll eventually collapse sooner or later given the unsustainable rates they offer. But anecdotal evidence alone should be sufficient to accuse them of not being a legit exchange, at the very least, not a safe exchange.
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April 23, 2019, 09:30:52 AM
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I haven't seen any exchange that hasn't had any scam accusations against them. Hitbtc owner has negative trust on the forum but still the exchange is running fine and has paid me over 0.4 BTC per withdrawal without any delays and their support also responds in time and same goes for Yobit though there have been many accusations against them. Cryptopia also was considered scam when they got hacked but they paid me along with other users

None of the exchanges show any liability towards customers and just refuse paying huge withdrawals without giving any reasons but if they do selective scamming, that raises a doubt so none of them could be trusted completely nor considered 100% scam till they scam all their users.

Yobit has freebies and launches their own IEOs which is shady and they have many shady options like dice system and so on but they are still processing user's withdrawals. Many coins are still being traded on their exchange and at normal market rates and still many ICOs consider to list their coin on yobit.

Note: I don't say Yobit is safe but it stands among the exchanges that have been considered scam like hitbtc, cyrptopia, bittrex and even coinbase in that regards.




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April 23, 2019, 01:43:47 PM
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I used them 2017 now i wanted to login again an the email auth code was never sent,
so i registereed a new acount withgoogle  2fa (because i thought it will replace the email auth code)

I logged in and out to test if it works without authcode, then i transfered some litecoins (~7eur + 6eur ripple)
then i wanted to login again and bam suddely the email authcode problem occured and i was locked out.

i am not a noob i tested many things, 4 different browsers, 2 accounts , 2 pcs, 2 differnt email providers.
i never got the email code BUT i get the ico promotion emails and the support answers just fine!

i waited 2 days and got in total only 1 sentence per "support" ticket.
she/he claims its my fault and i have to fix me servers? wtf.
Btw since i cant login i had to open everytime a new answer.

after the third mail i got so mad i wrote him f*you (i never did this in years)

this lazy arrogant sucker reminds me of the BTC-e dude back then (BTC-e answeres where usually 1-3 word only!)

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April 23, 2019, 07:17:08 PM
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Nice work Awolf and thanks for putting all the pieces together.
Please put all the scam accusation thread in op, not just some. Make this thread Yobit's Scamopedia.
Anyway, why haven't you mentioned the Liza, Lizun, Limbo, Lambo, Bambo, Rambo scam story? Do you know about it?

The ticker fraud is new to me and now I'm wondering everything is possible for yobit. Roll Eyes

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April 23, 2019, 07:41:24 PM
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Probably they will run again another big promotional campaign on forum:
https://twitter.com/YobitExchange/status/1119228178743083009
And unfortunately a lot of forum users are ready to wear their signature!

About some users review, a lot of newbie lost their coins on yobit using maintenance wallets/ send the wrong token to an ERC-20 address.

Investbox is not a scam by itself.
Obviously it turn to be a scam since they are using to pump/dump and promote project like "LIMBO" "LAMBO" etc etc.
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Wow this has got to be one of the longest compilation of YOBIT scam complaints, and with this kind of report I don't think theymos and other moderators will allow them to promote their platform here, they have become the enemy of traders, they can look for other forums to post.

                                                                               
                 
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April 26, 2019, 02:32:00 PM
Last edit: April 26, 2019, 02:53:30 PM by AdolfinWolf
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Can anyone post a link to Uranix website, or White Paper for Uranix ?
I've tried, but nothing, and then i mean absolutely nothing shows up when you google any of these terms.

I highly doubt there's a whitepaper, and if so, they've done a fabulous job of hiding it.

Even better, there's not even any discussion about them/it. It's amazing and shocking at the same time how little is known about all these tokens, and yet people are still buying them like crazy..

Good for yobit i guess.

There's no one either who knows how many of these tokens really are in circulation, and whether or not they actually exist on protocol level, or if yobit is just editing their own database to generate more whenever it suits them.

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April 26, 2019, 02:34:44 PM
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Can anyone post a link to Uranix website, or White Paper for Uranix ?
There is no information about Uranix. You can't see any social media profile, any website, any contact info, whitepaper, roadmap and also you can't see the team. It is own coin of yobit (I think).
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April 26, 2019, 05:54:44 PM
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Can anyone post a link to Uranix website, or White Paper for Uranix ?
I've tried, but nothing, and then i mean absolutely nothing shows up when you google any of these terms.

I highly doubt there's a whitepaper, and if so, they've done a fabulous job of hiding it.
It's not actual IEO what's happening in Yobit last few weeks. I'm 99.99% sure that those IEOs are Yobit's own and it's not from any entities.

So it is very obvious to not have any whitepaper or any other info of those tokens. This is just another way of scamming Yobit users by Yobit.

Afair, already 4 IEOs held so far and another one is coming. So Yobit have earned 3000+ BTCs without any effort and of course in no time.

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April 26, 2019, 06:13:53 PM
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I received an email that they are going to do IEO, this is not good and not recommended for traders, we all know it's reputation they are ban in this forum, they are the exchange that has the most number of traders that scammed traders, who know you will become its next victim, because they are very notorious.

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April 27, 2019, 01:33:16 AM
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The Yobit investbox is meant for them to use your BTC for Pumps on their personal ICO's. They know you won't withdraw the coins for some time and it gives them enough credit to play with. If everyone would cash out from their Investbox they would not have enough funds to pay everyone back.

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April 28, 2019, 10:26:34 AM
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I wasn't aware of any issues with Yobit (I'm not really an active trader). I'll start reading all your reference links. I'm not going to wear a signature for a scam/shading exchange. Will definitely remove it if Yobit is a proven scam.

Yet here you are still wearing the sig & shitposting at a rate of one per minute....

Can anyone post a link to Uranix website, or White Paper for Uranix ?
There is no information about Uranix. You can't see any social media profile, any website, any contact info, whitepaper, roadmap and also you can't see the team. It is own coin of yobit (I think).

@shasan: You realize you're talking to a Yobit account right? It's promoting another of it's scams, that's why it has re-posted the deleted post.

Warning: Beaxy exchange is lying & refusing to answer questions - BEWARE!!  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=2912122.msg50692375#msg50692375   Funniest/stupidest shit list thread ever:  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1064824.msg20344174#msg20344174   The ultimate example of trust abuse by exposed scammer craslovell...
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