[need DT] using multiple account, trading merit, self-talking, trading trust

[marlboroza]

You have to remember that not everybody is 18 or 20. There are guys like me or him after the '50s and not a computer geek.

Even to create a new email address is a problem don't mention new wallets on ETH because is black magic for such people.

Stop shitposting.

I knew back in 2010 that this will be huge but I haven't money to invest. If I know that 500$ will be enough to be a millionaire I would invest for sure but I thought that min investment should be 5000 to 10.000 and I couldn't afford it. I have mined few BTC on my regular old laptop back then. After that litecoin mining and trade of course.

[crypto mania]

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Stop accusing @Wwzsocki he did nothing wrong besides he helps me to start with crypto.

What merit abuse and alt account?

How can you judge if there is nothing aggainst us. Wwzsocki already answered all questions and told the truth.
I can confirm that I used this ETH address and email ofertyww@gmail.com for bounty. From some time I am wearing his ref links in my signature, That's it.

What is even better never received any tokens to this address from bounties I have participated. These last transactions are from Wwzsocki bounties too.
I stopped to join them after one or two campaigns.

Is this not allowed? Where is forum rules abuse?

[The Cryptovator]

We were never involved in the same signature campaign or bounty.

Where is forum rules abuse?

That's not for what you got red tag. Let me explain why you are wrong.
If you create multiple account and use same ETH or any other social media including email, you will not get red tag if you do not join on same bounty/signature campaign. But you are not allow to exchange merit between alt account.

Can I give merit to my alt accounts?

No, this is frowned upon and will almost certainly lead to you receiving negative feedback if discovered.

How would you think that 99% quality post made by "crypto mania" on forum? Because your almost 99% merit goes to "crypto mania" ?


You are unable to proved that "crypto mania" isn't your alt due to use same email, eth address, telegram username. This subject was not enough for tag if you were not abuse merit system.

[The Cryptovator]

I have even asked Crypto mania to not merit my posts at one time when there was a lot of accusations and red paint for merit abuse on the forum.

I can't find my PM but this is the answer I got from Crypto mania back then.

If you are real friends on offline with same house then why you have bothered to communicate via forum PM? Is not that you have pre-plan what you should do if you expose?

Later there was a post from Theymos on the forum that there is no red paint for merits so I stopped to be worried about and merited further all good posts.

Had theymos told you to abuse merit with Alts?

Do you think I will be so clever and write almost a year ago PM's about merits to myself and not take care of the same ETH addresses and ref links if this was my alt account?

Possibly, because that time was a wave of tag merit abuser. Or HTML edited although I don't know how to do it. 

[The Cryptovator]

Your friends don't write you a PM's here when they have something to tell you?

I don't know why you will ruin my account? Because I helped somebody?

Am I not helping peoples? I never hold my smerit, once I received any merit then I spend it around forum. But it doesn't mean I have to send it on my friend account. However, I will never mind even you send all merit to your friend. But you have proved yourself that both account belongs to same person by using same mail, eth address and telegram. That's my point why I tagged you. A court will judge based on evidence you have provided, not based on emotions.

Your friends don't write you a PM's here when they have something to tell you?

No, since there is lot of instant messenger. Forum PM isn't instant by the way.

[marlboroza]

If you are real friends on offline with same house then why you have bothered to communicate via forum PM? Is not that you have pre-plan what you should do if you expose?

Hah, because it is normal to talk to your friends via PM, even thought you live next door.

I just sent a PM to @Crypto Mania but he is not available now to take a part in this discussion.

sometimes he is with a laptop in my home and we are browsing together or next door.

we are actually together right now here in my home

Hmm...talks with his closest friend using personal messaging system.

He even translated my threads to English (because I told him to do so to get more merits) and we interacted there as a friend, please go and check.

So you told "him" to post something which you have posted and then you merited your own words?

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3371857.msg35343659#msg35343659
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5054545.msg47116430#msg47116430
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=4694307.msg42370203#msg42370203

You are right added 2FA to my guide, thanks.

Oh!

I have sent a PM to Marlboroza that we are actually together right now here in my home with Crypto mania and we can talk using skype and show that we are different persons but he never responded to me.

That will prove that you and your friend talked to me via skype, nothing else.

Stop accusing @Wwzsocki he did nothing wrong besides he helps me to start with crypto.

Interesting choice of words.
In case you didn't notice, no one is accusing specifically wwzsocki. OP accused accounts crypto mania and wwzsocki.

[Hhampuz]

I'm very conflicted.. :/

[r1s2g3]

I'm very conflicted.. :/

There is no conflict of interest Hhampuz , I do not trust a person who can share private key with the neighbor,share email with neighbor.
Think yourself, I guess you will easily get the answer.

As far Cryptomania  profile is considered :

wwzsocki sent 72/208 = 34.6 % of Merit to cryptomania.

Crypto mania received 72 merit in total 92 Merit  =  78.2% merit from wwzsocki .

Cryto mania sent 44/46  =95.5% of the total merit to wwzsocki .

Your email,ETH address are personal to you, stop sharing them.

[Joel_Jantsen]

What is even better @Crypto mania has registered his account from my IP address when he was by me at home.

Lmao, you're a fucking joke mate and terrible at lying.

[Rath_]

might be worth looking into these as well, seems to be a lot of merit passed amongst these accounts in particular (in addition to the two mentioned in op).
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1925869
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=1697068
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=830898

ill try and look through a bit later when i have time.

There aren't many posters on our local board so merit is often sent between same members. However, as a merit source, I don't agree with how some posts were awarded - that's highly subjective. I haven't read the whole thread yet.

[ene1980]

There is nothing wrong in helping a friend and sharing things with him and informing about this site, but i have a few doubts after reading everything you said.

We know each other for almost a decade we live door to door. I trust him with a few bucks on ETH address and he wears my ref links. Is this against the forum rules?
Why is this a problem if we are shouting all around the forum that we know each other and that we are close friends?
I just sent a PM to @Crypto Mania but he is not available now to take a part in this discussion.
I am happy, I did it just after @Crypto Mania registered because now, I have evidence to defend myself against somebody who is hiding against a newbie account.

You said you are living door to door for a decade and if that is the case and if you think you are accused of something, what is the first thing you do, PM him about the issue and wait indefinitely or make a call and clarify this ASAP  . Since you said you are living nearby and close friends for a decade i am certain that you have his phone number.

He doesn't have Telegram at all and that is why he used my nick, I assume. I didn't know about this but is this against forum rules?
I can't do anything if @Crypto Mania is doing newbie mistakes.
Do you think I will be so stupid to use same ETH address, usernames and ref links in my alt account? I will be tagged at first application to a signature campaign.

You know very well that all it takes to have a Telegram account is a phone and a phone number and how easy it is to install in your friends mobile. Since you are a user here for a long time you very well know that people will connect you with those and thousands of users got tagged and you mentioned that you know that very well, without your permission how can he use your telegram account, that is not a newbie mistake.
About ETH address and ref links, you can see many are caught using alt accounts because they can be connected and yes you are stupid enough to share the address while it takes a few minutes to create a ETH address even if he does not know shit about anything, you can keep the private key and send the address, what is so difficult if you are aware of the forum rules, so who is to be blamed here.

Yes, we have this is a bounty address. As you see in the title "ofertyww" means bounty, offers in Polish. Later he registered ofertywww@gmail.com.
I have shared all knowledge with @Crypto mania at the beginning and helped to join bounties of good projects which I thought will be successful after research.
You have to remember that not everybody is 18 or 20. There are guys like me or him after the '50s and not a computer geek.
Even to create a new email address is a problem don't mention new wallets on ETH because is black magic for such people.

You really do not need to be a geek to create a mail ID, he knows how to join a bounty but does not have a clue about creating a mail ID .

Note: There is too much evidence against you and let the community decide on what to do.

[Veleor]

He doesn't have Telegram at all and that is why he used my nick, I assume. <...>

Cryptomania mentioned in April 2018 that he has a Telegram.

<...> I got few messages on Telegram because I have the same username and they are looking for new accounts and offer to buy merits for 5$ per 1merit. This is just insane. How to deal with that, where are fair chances and all because of merits system. <...>

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[logfiles]

Man, this is real bad and I doubt so many people will believe you here. I have tried to read through and the worst things you did where to;
- Circulate huge amounts of Merit between yourselves
- Use same email
- Use same telegram
- Exchange trust ratings without any reference
etc
Knowing how this forum operates and how abusers get caught, If it was helping your friend that you were trying to do, then you shouldn't have done the said mistakes above in the first place because sooner or later, things will catch up with you.
You should have encouraged him to create him own personalized email or telegram. I mean, we have got to start from somewhere right?

I have read each reason from you for the above happenings but people will not believe you even if it were true. Alt accounts have been busted in past doing the same thing as you did and no one will think that your case is special.

Like you said we are anonymous here, and we don't really need to know each other but when members see something unusual with involves abuse of trust or merit, then they will put you on the spot light. I thought you should be knowing that by now.

[Veleor]

One more time he used my Telegram username without my knowledge. Everybody can because I have shared it multiple times.

Did your Facebook name also used by Cryptomania without your knowledge?

https://www.facebook.com/david.kopyk.3

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https://www.facebook.com/david.kopyk.3 | crypto mania

[The Cryptovator]

This two members mistrusted me just after my first answer in this thread. This looks like I was sentenced long before.

@wwzsocki I can't reply all of your post due to my journey. But I want to point you that, even I don't know you before made this thread so there is no question that I tagged you for any other reason. Have you talked with me before ? Infant remember exactly.

Whatever you did with your friend/alt account, I were not bothered to tag you if you were not involved with merit trading. Alt account is allowed but merit trading with alt disallowed .  You continue meriting on same user increase the suspicion and someone bothered to create thread. Based on all the evidence I think you deserve tag. Otherwise other people's will do same mistake.


I am really not fan of destroy any account just for little mistakes. But you have done many mistakes. All the mistakes can't be coincidences. You defensive reply isn't going to change my mind. If you like you can create your reputation thread. If other DT members think I have done wrong with you then they could leave you counter feedback's or perhaps my feedback will turn into neutral.

[crypto mania]

I  watch this thread but don't know what to add because wwzsocki already explained everything many times.
I just can't believe what I see and what is happening.
I can confirm that sometimes at the beginning I spammed and colorized my posts a little because of the lack of knowledge.

P.S
To be honest I don't give a fuck about this red trust because I don't use this forum almost anymore but I know how painful that has to be for you wwzsocki. Sorry.

[marlboroza]

This two members mistrusted me just after my first answer in this thread.

This is not true.

This looks like I was sentenced long before.

This is also not true. Why do you think you are so special?

Please show me one shitpost merited by me.

This is very interesting to read:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3040771.msg50791882#msg50791882
You forgot to put everything under quotation.

Next post:

Thank you @WWzsocki for this detailed post about Ibitt cards.
Of course, I will merit this post with my first free smerit because this is an answer to my PM where I asked about Ibitt exchange and cards.

I have a few additional questions about the cards:

1. Are these cards already issued and working?
2. Can I get one and use as it is described?
3. How long does it take to get the card to the EU?

And few more questions about INV token and listings on exchanges:

1. I see that INV token is listed on an exchange is this an official listing?
2. Why INV is not listed on Ibitt exchange?

-"Thank you mini-me for detailed copy/paste of someone's article"
-"No problem, here you go, +2 merits"

you see my influence on this account.

My posting style is different, I never quote hall posts only cut them and my writings are much better than his. I separate phrases, use commas, and many favicons which are not to find on the forum. Never seen the other account doing this. I am almost non stop on the forum 24 hours a day and post a lot which is 60 to 70 posts and he is only a few times a week and posts almost nothing which is 1or 2 posts.

Of course you do:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3040771.msg51180233#msg51180233

You forget to put your copy/pasta under quotation. Again.

And again, mysterious PM:

I know your concerns @Crypto Mania very good and I have already tried to answer in PM.

That is very interesting thread to read.

Look at more your great posts:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=3040771.msg41794678#msg41794678
Looks like constructive post but it is not really a post because it is copy/pasted from telegram.

And what is this:

http://archive.is/4xjWe

A revolutionary project, very well developed and that will certainly be a great success in the market.

In Europe, Vapor industry is growing very fast. I see shops popping up everywhere with liquids and vapor equipment. Still, this is very hard to buy brands you love or simply prefer.

eLYQD offers significant advantages over traditional, centralized e-commerce platforms and opens up the rapidly growing marketplace to new business and user segments. It allows anyone to list items for sale, to set up a store, or to make a purchase. At the same time, eLYQD contains powerful tools to facilitate both the user experience and to protect customers and merchants.

These tools include instant search, escrow, and customizable filters to screen items illegal in certain jurisdictions. Centralization has been removed from the trading process – allowing for radically lower fees, a high degree of privacy, and zero censorship.

I don't see source, now go and report yourself to moderator for plagiarism, seems your account is full of it.

[marlboroza]

Crypto mania invested in Investa project and lately there were distribution and first listings but there is hard to get detailed answers about the token so he posted in Investa Ann thread.
Of course, before he did he ask me for opinion and I answered in PM. He was not happy with my answers so like I said I advised to ask these questions in the thread.

Sharing email, telegram, ethereum address, facebook, referral link, IP, sitting in wwsocki's house and surfing internet together, still, communicating via PM's. About project you worked as advisor? Oh, now it all makes sense.

[marlboroza]

I have asked a question above, would you be so kind to answer, please.

And I have already told you what I think.

I can't sync my wallet from yesterday. I have 12 active connections and I see masternodes but still 3 days behind and nothing moves forward. Tried few times and nothing. Anybody experienced such a problem lately. I don't know if I have to recover my wallet or maybe this is a bug and not only my wallet doesn't sync. Feedback will be appreciated.

Where are dev and updates

I saw an announcement from the developer that he will need 10 days and already 2 weeks passed and nothing.  

I just checked my wallet and I have no problem with syncing. After few minutes my wallet was fully synchronized so there is something with your wallet or files.

Do you have any error message or something? Antivirus?

I don't know what happens with dev but from what I know he asked for 2 weeks time to resolve his problems after the drive crash. He said, " I need 10 - 15 days". So there is still one day left.   Just be calm and wait few days longer. I think that we will see further development because the developer is very committed to Masternodecoin project.

Thanks, wwzsocki appreciate your help. +1

I just recovered my wallet from the .dat and used provided above blockchain file for faster synchronization. I don't know what happened. Some corrupted file or something similar because I haven't changed or deleted nothing on my computer lately, only reinstalled Masternodecoin client.

Do you have information about the developer and are you in contact with him?

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...Do you have information about the developer and are you in contact with him?

Thanks for merit, glad that I could help.

Like I said before: "I don't know what happens with dev but from what I know he asked for 2 weeks time to resolve his problems after the drive crash. He said, " I need 10 - 15 days". So there is still one day left. Just be calm and wait few days longer. I think that we will see further development because the developer is very committed to Masternodecoin project."

I hope this answers your questions.

Great news Dev. I see that Masternodecoin.org webpage is refreshed and working again with new information and tutorials added. Good to see such a progress. This new look is great.

I think it would be great to add a tutorial " how to update your wallet " for a newbie, not tech-savvy users to avoid questions about this.

A lot of great news lately from Masternodecoin team. Nice progress guys. I have just seen latest new and will update my wallet to the new V4.0.0.0 version. I will update later how this new wallet works. Keep up like this and maybe finally we will see Masternodecoin price go up.

Looks like classing shilling for shitcoin from alt accounts.

Is sud your friend too?

Yes, airdrop is on the roadmap and since one key bounty feature is implemented in latest version, I hope it will start very soon.

I see intensive posting by at least 3 accounts in that thread. I won't even bother to check account, but let me guess, they are active in Poland local and you are "merit fans"?

[wwzsocki]

I have asked a question above, would you be so kind to answer, please.

And I have already told you what I think.

I can't sync my wallet from yesterday. I have 12 active connections and I see masternodes but still 3 days behind and nothing moves forward. Tried few times and nothing. Anybody experienced such a problem lately. I don't know if I have to recover my wallet or maybe this is a bug and not only my wallet doesn't sync. Feedback will be appreciated.

Where are dev and updates

I saw an announcement from the developer that he will need 10 days and already 2 weeks passed and nothing.  

I just checked my wallet and I have no problem with syncing. After few minutes my wallet was fully synchronized so there is something with your wallet or files.

Do you have any error message or something? Antivirus?

I don't know what happens with dev but from what I know he asked for 2 weeks time to resolve his problems after the drive crash. He said, " I need 10 - 15 days". So there is still one day left.   Just be calm and wait few days longer. I think that we will see further development because the developer is very committed to Masternodecoin project.

Thanks, wwzsocki appreciate your help. +1

I just recovered my wallet from the .dat and used provided above blockchain file for faster synchronization. I don't know what happened. Some corrupted file or something similar because I haven't changed or deleted nothing on my computer lately, only reinstalled Masternodecoin client.

Do you have information about the developer and are you in contact with him?

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...Do you have information about the developer and are you in contact with him?

Thanks for merit, glad that I could help.

Like I said before: "I don't know what happens with dev but from what I know he asked for 2 weeks time to resolve his problems after the drive crash. He said, " I need 10 - 15 days". So there is still one day left. Just be calm and wait few days longer. I think that we will see further development because the developer is very committed to Masternodecoin project."

I hope this answers your questions.

Great news Dev. I see that Masternodecoin.org webpage is refreshed and working again with new information and tutorials added. Good to see such a progress. This new look is great.

I think it would be great to add a tutorial " how to update your wallet " for a newbie, not tech-savvy users to avoid questions about this.

A lot of great news lately from Masternodecoin team. Nice progress guys. I have just seen latest new and will update my wallet to the new V4.0.0.0 version. I will update later how this new wallet works. Keep up like this and maybe finally we will see Masternodecoin price go up.

Looks like classing shilling for shitcoin from alt accounts.

Is sud your friend too?

Yes, airdrop is on the roadmap and since one key bounty feature is implemented in the latest version, I hope it will start very soon.

I see intensive posting by at least 3 accounts in that thread. I won't even bother to check account, but let me guess, they are active in Poland local and you are "merit fans"?

You start accusing all great members of this community that they are my alt or shills. I hope @Sud will come to this thread and answer to your accusations.

If you will read Masternodecoin thread you will see that I was in promotion team for a half year and the first project Crypto mania invested was Masternodecoin were we had masternodes. But that is private information and I don't have to disclose that in every post. I don't have to act on the forum in every post as we are best friends and I told you why a few times before (this is an anonymous forum). @Sud is one of masternode owner and longtime forum member. And yes @Sud is my friend but I don't know him in real life.

I will be back tomorrow again.

You never answered my question so I will repeat it here:

There is no way on the forum to register a friend or family accounts, were close friends or family leaders would be safe from such accusations. I did all I can to inform the forum that we know each other, and are involved in a few projects together. Multiple times posted about this during this year and added to my trust annotations. Crypto Mania did this same.

So please tell me what could I do more to inform you that we know each other, and that is not my alt account?