Did we actually really land on moon?

[BADecker]

Ok, don't throw me into the same basket for the believers of conspiracy theories.

I believe Earth is NOT flat. I don't believe there are aliens in Area 51.

But this question is factually not very convincing and it is, did we actually land on moon in 1969.

There are many compelling evidences, facts etc that proves that indeed we landed on moon.

But even in 21st century where there an accident with Kalpana Chawla who merely went to space and came back, it sounds too good to be true that in 1969, we landed on the moon which is around 300000 kms or 186000 miles from the Earth with those time of technologies and successfully came back. Remember, the first apple computer was launched in 1976.

I'm not saying we didn't, I'm just saying that it's not really a question that can be debunked like other theories which says Earth is flat.

Burden of proof in on the one who claims something, and as u said there is a lot of evodence that we landed on moon, while those that claim we didnt, have no evidence.

But that doesn't really work. Here's why.

Almost all the people don't know how to understand the proof enough to use it to prove anything. So, they have to take the word of those that DO know how to understand the proof. This means that we are right back to the original point... who to believe when they say they understand the proof.

Let me ask you this: do you really think that SSSR wouldnt "expose" this  conspiracy if they had any proof that moon landing was fake?

Right up until moon landing SSSR was ahead of US, and if first competitor( and favourite to win the race at the time) didnt try or could  to debunk all this, and that tells you everything you have to know about it.

Well, maybe you are an old Russian who actually knows how Commies in the USSR used to think.

.... put on your oversized cement overshoes and go jump in lake.

About time you came up with a new one. The oven/rope thing was getting really old dude....
Now don't forget your meds, and have a nice day.

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Oh FFS!!
It figures this nutjob shows up right when I'm dealing with another....

admit it, it doesn't work with the jewish supremacists ideology... America was great when Werner was at Nasa... I mean... what can you say? ask trump... ahahahahahaha. I guess at this stage he wasn't yet compromized by the JS...

Wernher von Braun Project: " Trip Around the Moon ", Walt Disney (1955)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zjs3nBfyIwM

[TimeBits]

there is two types of people

people that think we went to the moon when they said we did and people that think

[af_newbie]

Ok, don't throw me into the same basket for the believers of conspiracy theories.

I believe Earth is NOT flat. I don't believe there are aliens in Area 51.

But this question is factually not very convincing and it is, did we actually land on moon in 1969.

There are many compelling evidences, facts etc that proves that indeed we landed on moon.

But even in 21st century where there an accident with Kalpana Chawla who merely went to space and came back, it sounds too good to be true that in 1969, we landed on the moon which is around 300000 kms or 186000 miles from the Earth with those time of technologies and successfully came back. Remember, the first apple computer was launched in 1976.

I'm not saying we didn't, I'm just saying that it's not really a question that can be debunked like other theories which says Earth is flat.

Burden of proof in on the one who claims something, and as u said there is a lot of evodence that we landed on moon, while those that claim we didnt, have no evidence.

But that doesn't really work. Here's why.

Almost all the people don't know how to understand the proof enough to use it to prove anything. So, they have to take the word of those that DO know how to understand the proof. This means that we are right back to the original point... who to believe when they say they understand the proof.

Let me ask you this: do you really think that SSSR wouldnt "expose" this  conspiracy if they had any proof that moon landing was fake?

Right up until moon landing SSSR was ahead of US, and if first competitor( and favourite to win the race at the time) didnt try or could  to debunk all this, and that tells you everything you have to know about it.

Well, maybe you are an old Russian who actually knows how Commies in the USSR used to think.

Wow, you are so ignorant of history, it is truly amazing.  Did you even go to school?  Let me guess, you were homeschooled.

The guy made an excellent point.  Soviets had agents all over the US, they would have exposed anything they could find to come on top.
They lost big time.  There was nothing they could do other than to watch.

[BADecker]

Let me ask you this: do you really think that SSSR wouldnt "expose" this  conspiracy if they had any proof that moon landing was fake?

Right up until moon landing SSSR was ahead of US, and if first competitor( and favourite to win the race at the time) didnt try or could  to debunk all this, and that tells you everything you have to know about it.

Well, maybe you are an old Russian who actually knows how Commies in the USSR used to think.

Wow, you are so ignorant of history, it is truly amazing.  Did you even go to school?  Let me guess, you were homeschooled.

The guy made an excellent point.  Soviets had agents all over the US, they would have exposed anything they could find to come on top.
They lost big time.  There was nothing they could do other than to watch.

I was wondering all along, why you understood things the way you do. But now you tell us. You simply believe that spies and their governments are going to blurt out anything and everything that they find, even if it is the fact that they didn't find anything. Isn't that rather simplistic of you?

Have you never considered why they call them spies? Do spies run around telling everyone that they are spies? Rather, don't they covertly gather intel, and transfer it to their bosses? Then their bosses decide what info they are going to divulge, and which they are not going to divulge.

Were you a top USSR government man back in the '60s? Do you know why the USSR might inform average Americans of some things, but not of other things that they found out? Were you one of the spies, and now you are simply trying to hide that fact by your post?

I know, I know. You aren't really that dumb. You've been hitting the bottle again. However, I do admire that you can maintain good writing practice in that state, even if your points are rather flawed.

[Rikafip]

Let me ask you this: do you really think that SSSR wouldnt "expose" this  conspiracy if they had any proof that moon landing was fake?

Right up until moon landing SSSR was ahead of US, and if first competitor( and favourite to win the race at the time) didnt try or could  to debunk all this, and that tells you everything you have to know about it.

Well, maybe you are an old Russian who actually knows how Commies in the USSR used to think.

Wow, you are so ignorant of history, it is truly amazing.  Did you even go to school?  Let me guess, you were homeschooled.

The guy made an excellent point.  Soviets had agents all over the US, they would have exposed anything they could find to come on top.
They lost big time.  There was nothing they could do other than to watch.

I was wondering all along, why you understood things the way you do. But now you tell us. You simply believe that spies and their governments are going to blurt out anything and everything that they find, even if it is the fact that they didn't find anything. Isn't that rather simplistic of you?

Have you never considered why they call them spies? Do spies run around telling everyone that they are spies? Rather, don't they covertly gather intel, and transfer it to their bosses? Then their bosses decide what info they are going to divulge, and which they are not going to divulge.

Were you a top USSR government man back in the '60s? Do you know why the USSR might inform average Americans of some things, but not of other things that they found out? Were you one of the spies, and now you are simply trying to hide that fact by your post?

I know, I know. You aren't really that dumb. You've been hitting the bottle again. However, I do admire that you can maintain good writing practice in that state, even if your points are rather flawed.

You are ridiculous with this reasoning.IF USSR had any proof that it was fake, they would debunk all this long time ago.Simple as that.
Hell, they even claim that it was US spies that caused Chernobyl, and you think they would just let US go away with this.

I don't know how much history you know, but one of the reasons USSR fell apart is that they were spending shit load of money, trying to compete with US,both arms race and race to the moon and of course we see how that ended for them.And to think they wouldn't debunk this is beyond me, in the same decade we almost had WW3 due Cuban Missile Crisis, just few years before that...

You have 0 proof it was fake landing, same as flat earthers have 0 proof that earth is flat, u fall in same category.

[BADecker]

Let me ask you this: do you really think that SSSR wouldnt "expose" this  conspiracy if they had any proof that moon landing was fake?

Right up until moon landing SSSR was ahead of US, and if first competitor( and favourite to win the race at the time) didnt try or could  to debunk all this, and that tells you everything you have to know about it.

Well, maybe you are an old Russian who actually knows how Commies in the USSR used to think.

Wow, you are so ignorant of history, it is truly amazing.  Did you even go to school?  Let me guess, you were homeschooled.

The guy made an excellent point.  Soviets had agents all over the US, they would have exposed anything they could find to come on top.
They lost big time.  There was nothing they could do other than to watch.

I was wondering all along, why you understood things the way you do. But now you tell us. You simply believe that spies and their governments are going to blurt out anything and everything that they find, even if it is the fact that they didn't find anything. Isn't that rather simplistic of you?

Have you never considered why they call them spies? Do spies run around telling everyone that they are spies? Rather, don't they covertly gather intel, and transfer it to their bosses? Then their bosses decide what info they are going to divulge, and which they are not going to divulge.

Were you a top USSR government man back in the '60s? Do you know why the USSR might inform average Americans of some things, but not of other things that they found out? Were you one of the spies, and now you are simply trying to hide that fact by your post?

I know, I know. You aren't really that dumb. You've been hitting the bottle again. However, I do admire that you can maintain good writing practice in that state, even if your points are rather flawed.

You are ridiculous with this reasoning.IF USSR had any proof that it was fake, they would debunk all this long time ago.Simple as that.
Hell, they even claim that it was US spies that caused Chernobyl, and you think they would just let US go away with this.

I don't know how much history you know, but one of the reasons USSR fell apart is that they were spending shit load of money, trying to compete with US,both arms race and race to the moon and of course we see how that ended for them.And to think they wouldn't debunk this is beyond me, in the same decade we almost had WW3 due Cuban Missile Crisis, just few years before that...

You have 0 proof it was fake landing, same as flat earthers have 0 proof that earth is flat, u fall in same category.

The other side of it is, we ALL landed on the moon, and we are still there.

As for the things that Russian bosses do, watch The Kremlin Letter to see that you never know.
Trailer = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZCJ-koBQ-s.
Movie = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAjSyoSOzR0.

[Rikafip]

Let me ask you this: do you really think that SSSR wouldnt "expose" this  conspiracy if they had any proof that moon landing was fake?

Right up until moon landing SSSR was ahead of US, and if first competitor( and favourite to win the race at the time) didnt try or could  to debunk all this, and that tells you everything you have to know about it.

Well, maybe you are an old Russian who actually knows how Commies in the USSR used to think.

Wow, you are so ignorant of history, it is truly amazing.  Did you even go to school?  Let me guess, you were homeschooled.

The guy made an excellent point.  Soviets had agents all over the US, they would have exposed anything they could find to come on top.
They lost big time.  There was nothing they could do other than to watch.

I was wondering all along, why you understood things the way you do. But now you tell us. You simply believe that spies and their governments are going to blurt out anything and everything that they find, even if it is the fact that they didn't find anything. Isn't that rather simplistic of you?

Have you never considered why they call them spies? Do spies run around telling everyone that they are spies? Rather, don't they covertly gather intel, and transfer it to their bosses? Then their bosses decide what info they are going to divulge, and which they are not going to divulge.

Were you a top USSR government man back in the '60s? Do you know why the USSR might inform average Americans of some things, but not of other things that they found out? Were you one of the spies, and now you are simply trying to hide that fact by your post?

I know, I know. You aren't really that dumb. You've been hitting the bottle again. However, I do admire that you can maintain good writing practice in that state, even if your points are rather flawed.

You are ridiculous with this reasoning.IF USSR had any proof that it was fake, they would debunk all this long time ago.Simple as that.
Hell, they even claim that it was US spies that caused Chernobyl, and you think they would just let US go away with this.

I don't know how much history you know, but one of the reasons USSR fell apart is that they were spending shit load of money, trying to compete with US,both arms race and race to the moon and of course we see how that ended for them.And to think they wouldn't debunk this is beyond me, in the same decade we almost had WW3 due Cuban Missile Crisis, just few years before that...

You have 0 proof it was fake landing, same as flat earthers have 0 proof that earth is flat, u fall in same category.

The other side of it is, we ALL landed on the moon, and we are still there.

As for the things that Russian bosses do, watch The Kremlin Letter to see that you never know.
Trailer = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ZCJ-koBQ-s.
Movie = https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAjSyoSOzR0.

I watched that one, i am big John Huston fan, he is one of my favourite directors.He didn't have easy task here, making good  movie out of very complicated novel but he succeeded anyways. They don't make them like that anymore, it is even underrated i would say, i think most people find it too hard to follow. Same thing goes for Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy , another underrated and complex spy movie.

But in the end , it is still a movie , even though reality can be stranger than fiction

[BADecker]

The reason the USSR fell is that they couldn't motivate their people to work hard. In fact, their regulation of their people stifled the people into making (and then drinking) some of the best Vodka in the world.

The USA is stifling its people with regulations, as well. But the USA has one thing the USSR didn't... the common law jury. As long as jury members have some sense left, they will veto the judge and the government.




^^^ This is exactly what I mean when I say that American gun freedom is keeping the world free.

The reason why we didn't go back to the moon is, there aren't enough people interested in it. There haven't been enough benefits from going into space to make it a desired thing. We need the money for better things.

[af_newbie]

The reason the USSR fell is that they couldn't motivate their people to work hard. In fact, their regulation of their people stifled the people into making (and then drinking) some of the best Vodka in the world.

The USA is stifling its people with regulations, as well. But the USA has one thing the USSR didn't... the common law jury. As long as jury members have some sense left, they will veto the judge and the government.

Fuck me dead!  I guess you never heard of Stakhanovites.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stakhanovite_movement

Work hard?  They worked them to exhaustion and in some cases to death.

The empire collapsed because of central mismanagement, logistic inefficiencies, poor planning, elimination of private property, incompetent communist leaders at pretty much every level, and corruption at all levels.

Workers' hard work is what held this monster together, despite the ill-formed system.

Under Stalin, you either worked hard or you did not work (live) at all.

[BADecker]

The reason the USSR fell is that they couldn't motivate their people to work hard. In fact, their regulation of their people stifled the people into making (and then drinking) some of the best Vodka in the world.

The USA is stifling its people with regulations, as well. But the USA has one thing the USSR didn't... the common law jury. As long as jury members have some sense left, they will veto the judge and the government.

Fuck me dead!  I guess you never heard of Stakhanovites.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stakhanovite_movement

Work hard?  They worked them to exhaustion and in some cases to death.

The empire collapsed because of central mismanagement, logistic inefficiencies, poor planning, elimination of private property, incompetent communist leaders at pretty much every level, and corruption at all levels.

Workers' hard work is what held this monster together, despite the ill-formed system.

Under Stalin, you either worked hard or you did not work (live) at all.

Well, thank you.

Didn't you notice that you said that they worked their workers too hard? That's mismanagement. Or intentional self-destruction.

In other words, f***ing yourself dead, would be another form of overwork. But in your case, it wouldn't be mismanagement, because you asked for it.

[exemplaar]

Riiiiight...

First, this guy is an actor and a mason, NOT a true scientist. Second, you have been bamboozled by religion of 21th century - scientism.




bonus for zombies:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KcqFDUJsBE0

[Spendulus]

Riiiiight...

First, this guy is an actor and a mason, NOT a true scientist. Second, you have been bamboozled by religion of 21th century - scientism.

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bonus for zombies:<<<deleted nonsense>>>

I doubt many people need someone who doesn't believe we went to the moon explaining to them what a true scientist is.

[BADecker]

Silly conspiracy theorists! Landing on the moon! One of the silliest conspiracy theories around.


American Pravda: How the CIA Invented "Conspiracy Theories"American Pravda:

A year or two ago, I saw the much-touted science fiction film Interstellar, and although the plot wasn't any good, one early scene was quite amusing. For various reasons, the American government of the future claimed that our Moon Landings of the late 1960s had been faked, a trick aimed at winning the Cold War by bankrupting

Russia into fruitless space efforts of its own. This inversion of historical reality was accepted as true by nearly everyone, and those few people who claimed that Neil Armstrong had indeed set foot on the Moon were universally ridiculed as "crazy conspiracy theorists." This seems a realistic portrayal of human nature to me.=

Obviously, a large fraction of everything described by our government leaders or presented in the pages of our most respectable newspapers—from the 9/11 attacks to the most insignificant local case of petty urban corruption—could objectively be categorized as a "conspiracy theory" but such words are never applied. Instead, use of that highly loaded phrase is reserved for those theories, whether plausible or fanciful, that do not possess the endorsement stamp of establishmentarian approval.

[Rikafip]

Riiiiight...

First, this guy is an actor and a mason, NOT a true scientist. Second, you have been bamboozled by religion of 21th century - scientism.

Sure, Neil deGrasse Tyson, who majored physics at Harvard  among other things is a hack and an actor  and anonymous troll who i'm sure has 0 clue about physics and astrophysics know  who is real of fake scientist.I am sure that you are anti-vaxxer too..

If he is not a real scientist, can you share us some names of reputable scientists that confirm your claim about fake moon landing?

[BADecker]

Riiiiight...

First, this guy is an actor and a mason, NOT a true scientist. Second, you have been bamboozled by religion of 21th century - scientism.

Sure, Neil deGrasse Tyson, who majored physics at Harvard  among other things is a hack and an actor  and anonymous troll who i'm sure has 0 clue about physics and astrophysics know  who is real of fake scientist.I am sure that you are anti-vaxxer too..

If he is not a real scientist, can you share us some names of reputable scientists that confirm your claim about fake moon landing?

Of course, maybe the real reason those guys went to the moon, was to get away from vaccinations.

 

[Rikafip]

Riiiiight...

First, this guy is an actor and a mason, NOT a true scientist. Second, you have been bamboozled by religion of 21th century - scientism.

Sure, Neil deGrasse Tyson, who majored physics at Harvard  among other things is a hack and an actor  and anonymous troll who i'm sure has 0 clue about physics and astrophysics know  who is real of fake scientist.I am sure that you are anti-vaxxer too..

If he is not a real scientist, can you share us some names of reputable scientists that confirm your claim about fake moon landing?

Of course, maybe the real reason those guys went to the moon, was to get away from vaccinations.

 

From vaccination definitely not, all astronauts were well educated people, anti-vaxxer are mostly uneducated people prone to conspiracy theories.

But maybe they ran from anti-vaxxers.

[BADecker]

From vaccination definitely not, all astronauts were well educated people, anti-vaxxer are mostly uneducated people prone to conspiracy theories.

But maybe they ran from anti-vaxxers.

Part of the point. Vaccine education is fake education. Anti-vaxxers are simply people who have been educated the rest of the way.

The idea of astronauts being anti-vaxxers was just a joke. Of course they welcomed vaccinations against moon bugs.

[Spendulus]

....
First, this guy is an actor and a mason, NOT a true scientist. ....

bonus for zombie....

I haven't always agreed with things that he said, and he's not currently a research scientist, more one whose job is explaining science to the public.

But he can run light years around your trash dribble.

By the way, lay off the stupid "bonus" please.

[koreacryptofan]

I think the footage looked very decent and authentic. The only thing that I find strange is that the flag was waving, even though there is no wind on the Moon. But on the other hand, it seems strange that Americans neglected this easy-to-spot part. They explain it as that the astronaut caused the waving, not the wind.

[Artemis3]

Yes, Americans landed on the moon, and others sent probes and other garbage. Most recently Israel had an "oops" moment sending a probe that crashed and spread a bunch of things including tardigrades (living water microscopic creatures that can actually hibernate in space endlessly).

There are also the latest Chinese probes, and from several other countries. I think even SpaceX is going to send a Japanese richman tourist to orbit in a couple of years.

Technology in the 60ies was adequate enough, especially within the military and state driven programs of the day. After the space race was considered "over", things slowed and even devolved a bit, programs altered and scraped, budgets cut, etc.

Rocket technology hasn't changed that much, but better materials exist now. SpaceX is successfully reusing stages, something nobody else managed to do before. Computers are far more powerful simplifying navigation. Even live video remains pristine during all stages, unlike before.

Just think about it. A rich American managed to do what 50 years ago took the whole Soviet Union and United States state agencies to pull off.

The moon landing was staged thing is old OLD conspiracy theory that predates youtube, but meh. Look at the Chinese pictures of the moon from the Chang'e probes. If you want to physically be there, just become rich and you have a chance to pay Elon Musk (or some other competitor) for the privilege. Just imagine, spend all your fortune to fly into space... Your contribution might actually help a little develop the space company you backed with your fortune.