Test Cricket Prediction and Discussion Thread [self - mod]

[JSRAW]

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Yes, it's a problem.

But I have a bone to pick with someone who continuously believes that seaming, bouncy and fast conditions are somehow signs of true cricketing wickets and by creating spin/rank turner these savage brown folks are destroying the sanctity of a beautiful game of cricket.

Subcontinent teams, pundits, media and fans never complain about pitch conditions in SENA countries, no matter how dangerous or alien are those conditions. Everyone only focuses on how to prepare good fast bowlers and how batters can improve against seam, bounce and so on. We don't hear the same narrative when any SENA country tours here in the Subcontinent. All we read and hear about moral policing about unfair and doctored pitches.

I actually think that the turning tracks are going to produce more skillful and close matches. But the problem is when one team knows that the track is going to be spinner-friendly and plays the players accordingly and also selects players accordingly. But on the other hand, their opponent is not very sure about that. So sometimes the matches become one-sided. So that is something I believe nobody likes to see. But it is also true that when the track is absolutely friendly towards the fast bowlers, nobody bats an eye.

About your second point, if that's the case then it's not a pitch problem but the captain and his supporting staff who failed to read the pitch condition. When you visit the subcontinent then you have to have 2-3 spinners, you can't be ignorant about it and play 4 seamers on spinning conditions. I remember the last tour of England when they played in Motera, these guys went with 4 seamers and just 1 spinner, it was freaking hilarious and dumb.

You won't see any subcontinent team play with 4 spinners at Gaba, Lords and Cape Town.

[3kpk3]

Subcontinent teams, pundits, media and fans never complain about pitch conditions in SENA countries, no matter how dangerous or alien are those conditions. Everyone only focuses on how to prepare good fast bowlers and how batters can improve against seam, bounce and so on. We don't hear the same narrative when any SENA country tours here in the Subcontinent. All we read and hear about moral policing about unfair and doctored pitches.

Understandable. Many people neglect the fact that luck is also a major factor when it comes to changing pitch conditions. For example, dew might come into play at any time changing the pitch condition completely.

Rain could also interfere and change the pitch condition. Some players adapt well to changing conditions while some don't.

[Patrol69]

Bangladesh messed up when they created the minefield for the second time in a row. It backfired on them, as the New Zealand bowlers made life miserable for the Bangladeshi batsmen. And don't forget the fact that Bangladeshi had won the toss and had opted to bat first. Despite the home advantage and tailor-made pitch, Bangladesh managed to lose the match. This is a huge morale booster for New Zealand. They managed to level the series 1-1 and it is a big achievement given the hostile conditions and past record.

Imagine what Bangladesh would be doing if they won this test series. They are only capable of winning matches at home due to such pitches. There performance abroad is terrible throughout. If a team is good at home and terrible outside then one can easily figure out whats the reason of there win at home. No team was able to score 200 runs in both innings and this pitch deserves some negative points from ICC.

Instead of seeing how Bangladesh performed at home against New Zealand, you see the results of Bangladesh's tour of New Zealand. The tour of New Zealand will prove that Bangladesh have taken home advantage which is always a wrong decision for them. Earlier in several series Bangladesh Australia beat England New Zealand by huge margin but whenever they played in England or New Zealand they lost embarrassingly. They were taken on the New Zealand tour with the confidence that a spin bowler can spin the ball four to five degrees on the Mirpur wicket, do you think Bangladeshi bowlers will get four degrees or five degrees trun against New Zealand on New Zealand soil, never. Since making such wickets is causing them loss instead of profit then why can't they refrain from making such wickets?

[JSRAW]

Subcontinent teams, pundits, media and fans never complain about pitch conditions in SENA countries, no matter how dangerous or alien are those conditions. Everyone only focuses on how to prepare good fast bowlers and how batters can improve against seam, bounce and so on. We don't hear the same narrative when any SENA country tours here in the Subcontinent. All we read and hear about moral policing about unfair and doctored pitches.

Understandable. Many people neglect the fact that luck is also a major factor when it comes to changing pitch conditions. For example, dew might come into play at any time changing the pitch condition completely.

Rain could also interfere and change the pitch condition. Some players adapt well to changing conditions while some don't.

There is no dew factor in red ball cricket. There might be some possibility of dew in D/N tests but so far we have hardly seen any impact, also the sample size is too small. In general, dew always favors the batting side but if we look at the pink ball behavior then it becomes lethal under lights.

Moisture does come into play but it happens on virtually every pitch despite the format. That's why the first hour of the test match becomes very important and considered the "See the ball carefully" phase.

do you think Bangladeshi bowlers will get four degrees or five degrees trun against New Zealand on New Zealand soil, never. Since making such wickets is causing them loss instead of profit then why can't they refrain from making such wickets?

No spinner gets any turn in New Zealand, it's a graveyard for spinners. Most of the time they don't even pick a front line spinner; when they pick one, the poor guy always goes wicketless or hardly gets the chance to bowl.

[Bitcoin Smith]

NZ plays fewer tests overall so I think most of the time they use him strategically. He's not their first choice spinner in the subcontinent but he makes it into the team when they play in SENA countries because the likes of Ish Sodhi and Azaz Patel are pretty much useless in SENA condition and on top of that Satner is handy with the bat so he gets in as a spin all rounder. Having said that, I believe in the future Satner's competition in SENA conditions would be Rachin Ravindra if the new guy Rachin can improve his bowling in Red ball cricket.

Rachin Ravindra could be a pretty useful batting all rounder but he need to bring variations if he wants to match the santner's bowling skills and talking about the choice of spinners he could be in any pitches whether its SENA or subcontinent because he got pace too and on 4th and 5th day he could be a dangerous bowler to face.

[MusaPk]

Instead of seeing how Bangladesh performed at home against New Zealand, you see the results of Bangladesh's tour of New Zealand. The tour of New Zealand will prove that Bangladesh have taken home advantage which is always a wrong decision for them. Earlier in several series Bangladesh Australia beat England New Zealand by huge margin but whenever they played in England or New Zealand they lost embarrassingly. They were taken on the New Zealand tour with the confidence that a spin bowler can spin the ball four to five degrees on the Mirpur wicket, do you think Bangladeshi bowlers will get four degrees or five degrees trun against New Zealand on New Zealand soil, never. Since making such wickets is causing them loss instead of profit then why can't they refrain from making such wickets?

Bangladesh has got test status in 2000 and they also have proper domestic setup along with T20 League. Despite all that hard work there performance in international cricket is never satisfactory. Afghanistan who don't have proper domestic setup and no popular T20 league, they are much ahead of Afghanistan in terms of performance in International cricket. Preparing such friendly pitches is doing more harm to Bangladesh cricket then good.

[Marvell1]

I actually think that the turning tracks are going to produce more skillful and close matches. But the problem is when one team knows that the track is going to be spinner-friendly and plays the players accordingly and also selects players accordingly. But on the other hand, their opponent is not very sure about that. So sometimes the matches become one-sided. So that is something I believe nobody likes to see. But it is also true that when the track is absolutely friendly towards the fast bowlers, nobody bats an eye.

About your second point, if that's the case then it's not a pitch problem but the captain and his supporting staff who failed to read the pitch condition. When you visit the subcontinent then you have to have 2-3 spinners, you can't be ignorant about it and play 4 seamers on spinning conditions. I remember the last tour of England when they played in Motera, these guys went with 4 seamers and just 1 spinner, it was freaking hilarious and dumb.

You won't see any subcontinent team play with 4 spinners at Gaba, Lords and Cape Town.

Well, that raises another point. Teams playing in the subcontinent are always going to produce more spinners because the conditions favor them. And it is definitely easier to have two/three. Really world-class spinners among them.

But fast bowlers are not getting that much help from these situations. And even if a lot of bowlers like Mustafizur Rahman from Bangladesh, and other medium fast bowlers, who actually do very well in these conditions, are not going to be able to perform well going to England or Australian pitches.

 I think the same thing does not apply for Australia or England or other teams. Because most probably spinners who are going to perform well in those tracks, are going to perform much better coming to the subcontinent.

[Ayers]

Instead of seeing how Bangladesh performed at home against New Zealand, you see the results of Bangladesh's tour of New Zealand. The tour of New Zealand will prove that Bangladesh have taken home advantage which is always a wrong decision for them. Earlier in several series Bangladesh Australia beat England New Zealand by huge margin but whenever they played in England or New Zealand they lost embarrassingly. They were taken on the New Zealand tour with the confidence that a spin bowler can spin the ball four to five degrees on the Mirpur wicket, do you think Bangladeshi bowlers will get four degrees or five degrees trun against New Zealand on New Zealand soil, never. Since making such wickets is causing them loss instead of profit then why can't they refrain from making such wickets?

Bangladesh has got test status in 2000 and they also have proper domestic setup along with T20 League. Despite all that hard work there performance in international cricket is never satisfactory. Afghanistan who don't have proper domestic setup and no popular T20 league, they are much ahead of Afghanistan in terms of performance in International cricket. Preparing such friendly pitches is doing more harm to Bangladesh cricket then good.

If we talk about test cricket, Bangladesh is not very good. But if we talk about the other formats of cricket, I will say that Bangladesh is just having a bad time. But let's talk about test cricket, for now, Bangladesh is not very good at it. And at this moment I do not think Bangladesh should actually think about getting better in test cricket. It will be far better if they think about improving in other formats. Especially in t20 cricket. Because that is definitely going to be the future of cricket.

[roksana.hee]

If we talk about test cricket, Bangladesh is not very good. But if we talk about the other formats of cricket, I will say that Bangladesh is just having a bad time. But let's talk about test cricket, for now, Bangladesh is not very good at it. And at this moment I do not think Bangladesh should actually think about getting better in test cricket. It will be far better if they think about improving in other formats. Especially in t20 cricket. Because that is definitely going to be the future of cricket.

Yes, I agree with you that Bangladesh is not a well-playing Test Cricket Team. Bangladesh needs more concentration to find well-playing player hunting missions to arrange many more tournaments inside Bangladesh. I hope many more tournament helps Bangladesh to find perfect players by root. On the other hand, if the Bangladesh Cricket Board decides to concentrate on the field of T20. I think in the future, T20 will be the only game for Cricket.

Do you agree with me?

[Patrol69]

Instead of seeing how Bangladesh performed at home against New Zealand, you see the results of Bangladesh's tour of New Zealand. The tour of New Zealand will prove that Bangladesh have taken home advantage which is always a wrong decision for them. Earlier in several series Bangladesh Australia beat England New Zealand by huge margin but whenever they played in England or New Zealand they lost embarrassingly. They were taken on the New Zealand tour with the confidence that a spin bowler can spin the ball four to five degrees on the Mirpur wicket, do you think Bangladeshi bowlers will get four degrees or five degrees trun against New Zealand on New Zealand soil, never. Since making such wickets is causing them loss instead of profit then why can't they refrain from making such wickets?

Bangladesh has got test status in 2000 and they also have proper domestic setup along with T20 League. Despite all that hard work there performance in international cricket is never satisfactory. Afghanistan who don't have proper domestic setup and no popular T20 league, they are much ahead of Afghanistan in terms of performance in International cricket. Preparing such friendly pitches is doing more harm to Bangladesh cricket then good.

Not long after Afghanistan got their Test playing status, in recent days they have proved that they are just as capable in the Test format as they are in the ODI and T20 formats. There is no domestic league tournament in Afghanistan and the players are not given enough salary and allowances by the Afghanistan Cricket Board but if Bangladesh Cricket Board is considered in terms of facilities and financial condition then Bangladesh Cricket Board is more financially than other countries.
BPL is the second most popular franchise tournament league after IPL according to Bangladeshi media. There is no financial crisis, there is a good quality domestic league, yet this team performs worst in major tournaments like the World Cup. It is still unknown to us when this team will be properly taken care of and when this team will perform well.

[Shishir99]

A great win by New Zealand! Their approached these pitches with the right attitude—no blocking, just aggressive play. But, Bangladesh's strategy backfired, and the fact that almost 180 overs were bowled shows how challenging the pitch was. It seems like Bangladesh prefers to celebrate success despite facing criticism.

The players do not prefer such wickets. We understand this because some players mistakenly gave their honest opinions regarding the wicket in several media before. But, it's the management who prefers such a wicket because they want to win anyhow. Once Sakib said, It won't take too long to destroy a batter's career if he plays a season in such wicket.

Perhaps more demerit points are on the way. Still, I argue that no international match should be held until Bangladesh creates wickets that are worthy of test cricket.

I haven't heard anything about demerit points yet. I haven't checked any articles yet regarding the wicket. But, I agree. ICC should force them not to organize matches in such wickets. The reality is, that ICC cannot do this until the ground gets some demerit points.

[cryptoWODL]

Bangladesh has got test status in 2000 and they also have proper domestic setup along with T20 League. Despite all that hard work there performance in international cricket is never satisfactory. Afghanistan who don't have proper domestic setup and no popular T20 league, they are much ahead of Afghanistan in terms of performance in International cricket. Preparing such friendly pitches is doing more harm to Bangladesh cricket then good.

Afghanistan may have gained recognition in the game of cricket later than Bangladesh but they have many quality players and star players from Bangladesh.Afghanistan may not have as popular a league as Bangladesh, but most of player in their country regularly plays in the Indian and Australian Sri Lankan Premier Leagues and the Caribbean Premier League.I have been watching Afghanistan games regularly since 2015 and since then I can see that Afghanistan is constantly improving and producing quality players in their team.
One of the problems with the Bangladesh team is that they are very strong on their home ground due to the fact that they create spin-friendly pitch that make it difficult for other teams to play.Due to this problem of Bangladesh, they cannot play well in foreign soil and cannot win any match easily.I think Bangladeshi players will start doing well whenever this problem is solved.

[redsun114]

So what happened when Pakistan played against the b tem of Australia. I didn't follow the game, while checking Espn web portal I found that the won. Good for Pakistan but the margin if win was very little. How did the new captain perform and some of thier batters who were struggling?

The next game would be against the team that won the ashes. Do you guys think it will be a good game to watch or should I keep myself to highlights. I most of the time only watch highlights of a 5 day game but, this time I have the curiosity to watch the new captain of Pakistan for a test match. Do you think it is worth watching?

Most of the time Pakistan's tour of Australia has never been ideal for them because mostly they have serious problems and huge defeats as well which is now their trademark in Australia even they have few good individuals but still they have never been able to produce good results which make things worst for them now after having poor results in World Cup in India they are starting their game with this difficult tour on 14th December from Perth their tour is going to start, and their problems already started spinner Abrar Ahmed is out with injury now they are having Sajid Khan for replacement even their batting performance was good in tour game, but their bowling is going to have the worst time with no one having anything positive about this tour.

For me most chances we are going for another 2–0 or 3–0 result in this series because rain or something can bring better for them but as they are having squad I have feeling they could be faced another humiliating defeat on this tour.

[LDL]

So what happened when Pakistan played against the b tem of Australia. I didn't follow the game, while checking Espn web portal I found that the won. Good for Pakistan but the margin if win was very little. How did the new captain perform and some of thier batters who were struggling?

The next game would be against the team that won the ashes. Do you guys think it will be a good game to watch or should I keep myself to highlights. I most of the time only watch highlights of a 5 day game but, this time I have the curiosity to watch the new captain of Pakistan for a test match. Do you think it is worth watching?
 

Pakistan's new captain's match is going to be played between Australia and Pakistan in a 5-day Test on December 14. But what will be the result of the match is not an important issue but it is to be seen how much the new captain Shaan Masood can fulfill the responsibility of Pakistan. Not only the responsibility of Shaan Masood as captain will be seen but the responsibility and capacity of the entire Pakistani management team may be questioned. However, I hope that Pakistan will play well and wish Shaan Masood as the new captain to perform well.

[3kpk3]

Pakistan's new captain's match is going to be played between Australia and Pakistan in a 5-day Test on December 14. But what will be the result of the match is not an important issue but it is to be seen how much the new captain Shaan Masood can fulfill the responsibility of Pakistan. Not only the responsibility of Shaan Masood as captain will be seen but the responsibility and capacity of the entire Pakistani management team may be questioned. However, I hope that Pakistan will play well and wish Shaan Masood as the new captain to perform well.

The odds heavily favor Australia who are bringing all their big guns out in their own backyard which is why Pakistan should at the very least try to draw the series since I am not expecting them to win at all.

It will be weird watching Babar without his captaincy tag after a very long time, but this will definitely lessen the burden on him.

[SATWAT]

If we talk about test cricket, Bangladesh is not very good. But if we talk about the other formats of cricket, I will say that Bangladesh is just having a bad time. But let's talk about test cricket, for now, Bangladesh is not very good at it. And at this moment I do not think Bangladesh should actually think about getting better in test cricket. It will be far better if they think about improving in other formats. Especially in t20 cricket. Because that is definitely going to be the future of cricket.

Yes, I agree with you that Bangladesh is not a well-playing Test Cricket Team. Bangladesh needs more concentration to find well-playing player hunting missions to arrange many more tournaments inside Bangladesh. I hope many more tournament helps Bangladesh to find perfect players by root. On the other hand, if the Bangladesh Cricket Board decides to concentrate on the field of T20. I think in the future, T20 will be the only game for Cricket.

Do you agree with me?

There is no doubt about this now many ICC members are looking for having something positive changes because now having teams for the three formats are not working burden is increasing and teams performance is also on decline so in this situation they can allow members if someone wants to scrap any format this could be ok for them if we have this situation then surely few improvements can happen and many teams will love to go with alone twenty/20 format which is better and profitable for the all but this all is not possible in near future we have to wait for this and surely this could be big change in game and can bring good improvement in quality of teams and players as well.

[Sithara007]

There is no doubt about this now many ICC members are looking for having something positive changes because now having teams for the three formats are not working burden is increasing and teams performance is also on decline so in this situation they can allow members if someone wants to scrap any format this could be ok for them if we have this situation then surely few improvements can happen and many teams will love to go with alone twenty/20 format which is better and profitable for the all but this all is not possible in near future we have to wait for this and surely this could be big change in game and can bring good improvement in quality of teams and players as well.

For a full-member nation in division one, it is mandatory to play a fixed number of test matches every year, as the part of the 2023–2025 ICC World Test Championship. I know that some of the boards such as the BCB are not keen on this format, because there is not much revenue inflow. But they need to play anyway. And it doesn't help that they are trying very little to improve their domestic first class structure. A lot of focus is on BPL, because it is a big revenue churner. But that has meant that the 4-day domestic system is hardly given any importance at all.

[Juggy777]

There is no doubt about this now many ICC members are looking for having something positive changes because now having teams for the three formats are not working burden is increasing and teams performance is also on decline so in this situation they can allow members if someone wants to scrap any format this could be ok for them if we have this situation then surely few improvements can happen and many teams will love to go with alone twenty/20 format which is better and profitable for the all but this all is not possible in near future we have to wait for this and surely this could be big change in game and can bring good improvement in quality of teams and players as well.

For a full-member nation in division one, it is mandatory to play a fixed number of test matches every year, as the part of the 2023–2025 ICC World Test Championship. I know that some of the boards such as the BCB are not keen on this format, because there is not much revenue inflow. But they need to play anyway. And it doesn't help that they are trying very little to improve their domestic first class structure. A lot of focus is on BPL, because it is a big revenue churner. But that has meant that the 4-day domestic system is hardly given any importance at all.

@SATWAT should ICC end test cricket so other formats can prosper maybe I’m tempted to say yes but Test cricket also has it’s moments but the current generation doesn’t want to spend time watching it so maybe ICC will scrap it and we’ll have to accept the reality. @Sithara007 I can’t find fault with what Bangladesh is doing because unlike the big 4 they actually need the revenue to survive hence I’m sympathetic with them.

[Sithara007]

@SATWAT should ICC end test cricket so other formats can prosper maybe I’m tempted to say yes but Test cricket also has it’s moments but the current generation doesn’t want to spend time watching it so maybe ICC will scrap it and we’ll have to accept the reality. @Sithara007 I can’t find fault with what Bangladesh is doing because unlike the big 4 they actually need the revenue to survive hence I’m sympathetic with them.

LOL.. test cricket is not going to "end" anytime soon. On the other hand, it is prioritized by the ICC and that is the reason why test nations get 50x the funding that others get. Well Juggy777, I agree with you that BCB is short on funds. But at the same time, available funds are not being used fairly. And their annual fund allocation is not that small. Next year, they are supposed to receive $26.74 million from the ICC. This is more than enough to revamp their domestic structure, but the BCB doesn't seems to have any interest in doing it.

[onecall123]

Finally, there's a demerit point for the Mirpur Test. The pitch used in the second Test between Bangladesh and New Zealand has received a rating from the ICC. This decision from the ICC has been eagerly awaited. The Dhaka Test pitch has been given an unsatisfactory rating along with 1 demerit point.
ICC should advise the Bangladesh Cricket Board to improve pitch conditions before hosting any international matches. It's crucial for the BCB to ensure that such issues don't happen repeatedly.