ODI cricket and general cricketing discussion [self - mod]

[Vishnu.Reang]

Wonderful to know that because this mini IPL will help the BCCI to find out a more talented player. As of now, he is doing his job by shuffling the players in matches. Definitely Ganguly's aim is to bring younger talented cricketers and it will surely help the nations.

The BCCI has the money to conduct a tournament like that and make it a successful one and if they are creating a mini IPL and if there is a champions league for the franchise leagues then it will create interest in the cricket followers as the matches will be competitive and considering how the Champions league was not able to attract the visitors they were expecting and i am not sure whether they folded because of the low viewership and if the BCCI is able to conduct that then it might get the attention they are looking.

The so called champions league (not sure about the name) is going to be counter productive. There is a lot of franchise T20 cricket going on, and the viewer interest is declining due to the overkill. The average attendance per match is going down, even for established leagues such as the Big Bash League of Australia. And within a few months, the stats from IPL 2020 will confirm this.

[JSRAW]

Not sure why everyone getting exciting about this Mini IPL, BCCI is not group of fools who likes to kick on dead horse when money is involved. Right now BCCI working on another project called " Super Series" (not Bilateral, not Trilateral but Quadrilateral series)

I shared the details HERE

[Vishnu.Reang]

Not sure why everyone getting exciting about this Mini IPL, BCCI is not group of fools who likes to kick on dead horse when money is involved. Right now BCCI working on another project called " Super Series" (not Bilateral, not Trilateral but Quadrilateral series)

I shared the details HERE

The other boards are not very happy with this idea. There is an article in espncricnfo on this subject:

https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/28364212/bcci-icc-disagreement-multi-team-tournaments-heart-super-series-proposal

The stance of ECB is not clear at this point of time, but from what I have heard, Cricket Australia is unlikely to offer much support for the BCCI. All the other cricket boards are against this idea, as it is believed that N Srinivasan is the mastermind behind this move. A full fledged conflict between the BCCI and the ICC may unravel at some point in 2020.

[Haunebu]

Not sure why everyone getting exciting about this Mini IPL, BCCI is not group of fools who likes to kick on dead horse when money is involved.

Mini IPL? Interesting. It seems like Ganguly is trying different things which is a good move on his part, but the only Cricket tournament that I follow these days from beginning to end is IPL these days.

The stance of ECB is not clear at this point of time, but from what I have heard, Cricket Australia is unlikely to offer much support for the BCCI. All the other cricket boards are against this idea, as it is believed that N Srinivasan is the mastermind behind this move. A full fledged conflict between the BCCI and the ICC may unravel at some point in 2020.

Everyone knows how corrupt BCCI is which is why I am not surprised to hear this. However, I don't think there will be any sort of conflict between BCCI and ICC since ICC stands to lose more in such a scenario.

[JSRAW]

Not sure why everyone getting exciting about this Mini IPL, BCCI is not group of fools who likes to kick on dead horse when money is involved.

Mini IPL? Interesting. It seems like Ganguly is trying different things which is a good move on his part, but the only Cricket tournament that I follow these days from beginning to end is IPL these days.

Not mini IPL but Super Series.

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The other boards are not very happy with this idea. There is an article in espncricnfo on this subject:

Every board is hypocrite and corrupt IMO, as long as they are included they are okay and the moment they feel left out then BCCI is ruining the Cricket. no-one stopping other board to start another super series which consists 4 teams.

This controversy started by ICC when they proposed one ICC tournament every year which bcci rejected and now BCCI countering it, so nothing wrong with that. let's see if this new series gets a green signal or not.

[Sithara007]

Every board is hypocrite and corrupt IMO, as long as they are included they are okay and the moment they feel left out then BCCI is ruining the Cricket. no-one stopping other board to start another super series which consists 4 teams.

This controversy started by ICC when they proposed one ICC tournament every year which bcci rejected and now BCCI countering it, so nothing wrong with that. let's see if this new series gets a green signal or not.

ICC was proposing a tournament for the next cycle (2024-2032). There is yet no final decision on the same, since the next cycle is more than 5 years away. Also, this new tournament was supposed to happen once every 4 years.

On the other hand, the tournament that BCCI had proposed is supposed to start from 2021 (i.e within the current 2015-2023 cycle). It will happen on an annual basis. Already the IPL has removed two months from the cricketing calendar, and now the BCCI wants to reduce the available time by another month or so. I am a resident of India, but I have never supported the greed from BCCI. They prevented cricket from included in the Olympics and now they are harming the popularity of cricket in other countries. And even worse, it is that corrupt crook N Srinivasan who is controlling the BCCI once more.

[onrise]

What is this mini IPL, is this a tournament for U21 or much younger players or is it about women's cricket

They are planning to bring back the Champions League T20 where the best teams from all the franchise cricket will face to find out the best champion and right now we have many franchise T20 tournament around the world and it would be fun to see the best teams battling out but the main problem will be some of these players are playing in multiple franchise and how they will sort that out will be the biggest question.

We would be bombarded with too much of cricket it seems now as there is already so many T20 leagues happening and another one would just kill the fun itself. Also, I think any franchisee which pays more the player will play from that team or franchisee when he is associated with multiple franchises.

[JSRAW]

Every board is hypocrite and corrupt IMO, as long as they are included they are okay and the moment they feel left out then BCCI is ruining the Cricket. no-one stopping other board to start another super series which consists 4 teams.

This controversy started by ICC when they proposed one ICC tournament every year which bcci rejected and now BCCI countering it, so nothing wrong with that. let's see if this new series gets a green signal or not.

ICC was proposing a tournament for the next cycle (2024-2032). There is yet no final decision on the same, since the next cycle is more than 5 years away. Also, this new tournament was supposed to happen once every 4 years.

Wrong...

ICC was proposing the T-20 world cup every year and ODI World cup every 3 year. call it dick move or smart move but its not rocket science that ICC wanted to grab the global media rights (2023-2028) and guess who was the bigger loser?

https://www.mykhel.com/cricket/icc-bcci-t20-world-cup-ftp-50-over-world-cup-129272.html
https://www.indiatoday.in/sports/cricket/story/bcci-opposes-icc-new-ftp-global-media-rights-ganguly-jay-shah-job-1609283-2019-10-14

And Cherry on the cake - ICC earns from India but don't want to pay taxes here and last time they threaten BCCI that they should pay the taxes instead of ICC, otherwise lose the 2023 World cup hosting rights. I would say #u#k ICC if that's the case.

https://www.indiatoday.in/sports/cricket/story/icc-bcci-23-million-usd-lose-2023-world-cup-2021-champions-trophy-1415372-2018-12-22

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On the other hand, the tournament that BCCI had proposed is supposed to start from 2021 (i.e within the current 2015-2023 cycle). It will happen on an annual basis. Already the IPL has removed two months from the cricketing calendar, and now the BCCI wants to reduce the available time by another month or so.

What do you mean by " Reducing  available time by another month" its not local or IPL type tournament for starters. Proposal includes 4 teams (Ind+Aus+Eng+one more) every country will get chance to host the series, which means every participants is share holder, not only BCCI (minus ICC).

It can be argue that "super series" should take place every year or alternate year? but calling greedy is not good argument IMO. Every country has right to manage their bilateral or triangular series affairs, just like Australia operates CB series , Bangladesh Tri series or new tri series from Ireland.

What if any cricket board propose same proposal? saying NZ,SA,WI and BAN (or whatever team) should play one joint series every year or after every 2 years. then what would cricket community say? Greedy or what?
 

I am a resident of India, but I have never supported the greed from BCCI. They prevented cricket from included in the Olympics and now they are harming the popularity of cricket in other countries. And even worse, it is that corrupt crook N Srinivasan who is controlling the BCCI once more.

Resident or no resident, it doesn't matter if one "calls a spade a spade" without any hypocrisy. no one in their right mind can say BCCI is not corrupt but it doesn't mean they are alone in this game of corruption. the only difference is BCCI got bigger share and lot to lose.
I hope you are aware of why BCCI is opposing the Olympics? and i really hope all cricketing nation outvote BCCI in this matter if it goes to voting, seems simple calculation to me, 11 vs 1.

[7788bitcoin]

Not sure why everyone getting exciting about this Mini IPL, BCCI is not group of fools who likes to kick on dead horse when money is involved. Right now BCCI working on another project called " Super Series" (not Bilateral, not Trilateral but Quadrilateral series)

The BCCI sure does know the business side of things and so is the reason they are the most power board in the world and they are able to negotiate huge telecast rights from media companies while the rest of the boards are struggling to find that much money and if they can come if with interesting concepts that will help the rest of the cricket boards then it will be great for them and they will accept these concepts of Quadrilateral series as every team involve will make money.

[SaShiRaJaVu]

I do no think it is a good idea. All ready players are very busy nowdays, you cannot ask more from them. Cricket has become business to mint money. Let them rest for few months before these guys start again.

How will you enjoy a game or a tournament with tired players?

If you can time the tournaments perfectly then it will be entertaining, the leagues will conduct their matches during the first part of the year and the Champions league will be conducted at the later part of the year which will enforce interest in the view public to know which team is the best among all the franchise teams and it might have a huge response, timing is everything as you cannot force these tournaments one after other, if the cricket boards are able to time these perfectly then they will succeed.

[Haunebu]

no one in their right mind can say BCCI is not corrupt but it doesn't mean they are alone in this game of corruption. the only difference is BCCI got bigger share and lot to lose.

Makes sense. Every board is corrupt to an extent including pathetic ICC who stick to their archaic rules(Example : Use boundary count to decide the winner of a World tournament).

They smartly poke famous players on social media and act like they are the central authority when BCCI is the actual central authority working behind the scenes like the Illuminati using ICC as their puppets due to obvious reasons.

[Sithara007]

ICC was proposing the T-20 world cup every year and ODI World cup every 3 year. call it dick move or smart move but its not rocket science that ICC wanted to grab the global media rights (2023-2028) and guess who was the bigger loser?

I am not sure about this, and I don't know how reliable this information is. Unless the same appears on the ICC website or at least on espncricinfo, I am going to regard it as mere rumor. Hosting the T20 World Cup every year is not practical and it doesn't make any sense. How can a world cup be conducted every year? The same goes for the ODI world cup as well. Ever since 1979, the tournament is being conducted on a 4-yearly basis, and I don't think that they are going to change that all of a sudden.

BTW, one of the reasons given in the article is wrong. Check this:

"If the broadcaster spends Rs 60 on buying ICC rights for 2023-28 period, then when BCCI enters the market, the company will have may be Rs 40 in its pocket. I see it as an attempt to attack BCCI's revenue stream. It's up to Ganguly and Jay Shah to deal with this issue," the senior official said.

This is pure negative thinking. Why they are assuming that only one broadcaster will be interested in broadcasting the tournaments? For example, if Star Sports exhausts its quota of Rs.100 on BCCI tournaments, some other broadcaster (SONY-ESPN?) may come in for the ICC tournaments. So the total of Rs.100 will increase to Rs.140.

[mersal]

ICC was proposing the T-20 world cup every year and ODI World cup every 3 year. call it dick move or smart move but its not rocket science that ICC wanted to grab the global media rights (2023-2028) and guess who was the bigger loser?

I am not sure about this, and I don't know how reliable this information is. Unless the same appears on the ICC website or at least on espncricinfo, I am going to regard it as mere rumor. Hosting the T20 World Cup every year is not practical and it doesn't make any sense. How can a world cup be conducted every year? The same goes for the ODI world cup as well. Ever since 1979, the tournament is being conducted on a 4-yearly basis, and I don't think that they are going to change that all of a sudden.

BTW, one of the reasons given in the article is wrong. Check this:

I did read the same news few months earlier but don't know is this just a rumour or not but BCCI have a reason to propose that because BCCI can influence ICC even and also they will get big chunk of ptofit share compared to other cricket boards so more matches more money that is simple to understand.

[JSRAW]

ICC was proposing the T-20 world cup every year and ODI World cup every 3 year. call it dick move or smart move but its not rocket science that ICC wanted to grab the global media rights (2023-2028) and guess who was the bigger loser?

I am not sure about this, and I don't know how reliable this information is. Unless the same appears on the ICC website or at least on espncricinfo, I am going to regard it as mere rumor. Hosting the T20 World Cup every year is not practical and it doesn't make any sense. How can a world cup be conducted every year? The same goes for the ODI world cup as well. Ever since 1979, the tournament is being conducted on a 4-yearly basis, and I don't think that they are going to change that all of a sudden.  

Yeah, you can say that because its coming from BCCI perspective.

But this might clear, basically one ICC tournament every year and total 8 Tournament in next cycle.

1. Two 50 overs world cup, 4 T-20 World Cup are fixed in 8 years.
2. Two extra ICC tournament, it could be T-20 WC or 50 overs WC or they can give new name just like Champions Trophy, not clear atm. So its open to discussion that what those extra tournaments are.

ICC approves new tournament despite BCCI's concerns

Cricket's global governing body is headed towards a confrontation with the game's biggest powerhouse after the ICC decided to include an extra tournament in the next rights cycle overlooking objections from the BCCI.

On Monday the ICC Board gave consent to include an extra global tournament in the next events rights cycle, which starts after the 2023 World Cup. As it stands, the ICC's decision, made at its meeting in Dubai over the weekend, means that its next eight-year cycle running from 2023 to 2031 would have one ICC global (both men's and women's) event every year: two 50-over World Cups, four T20 World Cups and two editions of this extra event, which is understood to be in the 50-overs format.

Background story in context:

Historically, T-20 World cup has no fixed gap year. ICC used to shuffle it according to their schedule or CT. Some time they play back to back years, sometimes after every 2 years and next time (2020) after 4 years. But ICC wants to change this that's why they scrapped the CT (actual reasons are revenue) and came up with this : Back-to-back World T20s to replace Champions Trophy Next 2 T-20 world cup ( 2020 and 2021)

I will write about BCCI vs ICC vs Each Board and over all struggle in details next time. otherwise its going to be very long post. bottom line is there is no black and White characters.

[Haunebu]

But this might clear, basically one ICC tournament every year and total 8 Tournament in next cycle.

1. Two 50 overs world cup, 4 T-20 World Cup are fixed in 8 years.
2. Two extra ICC tournament, it could be T-20 WC or 50 overs WC or they can give new name just like Champions Trophy, not clear atm. So its open to discussion that what those extra tournaments are.

Lol. The World Cup will basically become like the IPL and other yearly tournaments reducing its significance in my opinion which is why I don't think this is a great idea at all. Current gap should be reduced to something like 3 years and nothing less.

However, this could prove to be a hit since we can expect big things from such tournaments, but I have no idea how they can manage with tightly packed schedules these days. Lots of interesting news.

[Vishnu.Reang]

Conducting a global tournament every 12 months is a bad idea, IMO. In combination with the other T20 tournaments and bilateral series, it will add to a flood of matches. In the end, these tournaments will lose whatever importance they have among the fans now and the revenues will decline. So in the end, it will have just the opposite effect. Rather than a global tournament, why can't they have local tournaments such as Asia Cup? But I guess in that case the revenues will flow in to the ACC rather than the ICC.

[7788bitcoin]

Lol. The World Cup will basically become like the IPL and other yearly tournaments reducing its significance in my opinion which is why I don't think this is a great idea at all. Current gap should be reduced to something like 3 years and nothing less.

There is not much time for everyone to watch these matches and even now the schedules are tightly packed and there is no need to reduce the gap, Soccer world cup is four years and so does the Olympics and they can time the world cups for ODI and T20 so that every two years we see a global event and not more than that, if they reduce the gap then the significance will be lost and the amount of money they hope they can make will be just a dream.

[Clement Kaliyar]

Conducting a global tournament every 12 months is a bad idea, IMO. In combination with the other T20 tournaments and bilateral series, it will add to a flood of matches.

There is no problem in conducting global tournaments every year but you cannot call them the world cup as it will defenitly impact the importance of the world cup and i hope they will not make any changes in that, i am sure the ICC will be planning to do that every year looking at the success and the money IPL and other franchises are making every year and they too want to make money, money rules everyone  .

[Sithara007]

There is a statement from the Cricket Australia officials regarding the proposed quadrangular tournament in India. Kevin Roberts (CEO of CA) sounded like he is not too excited about the new proposal, and even hinted that it is necessary to grow cricket outside the big 3 nations. It will be interesting to see the reaction from the England and Wales Cricket Board (ECB). I strongly suspect that the new tournament proposal is going to create a wedge, with CA on one side and BCCI and ECB on the other side.
 
https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/28374505/need-grow-cricket-india-cricket-australia-chief

Kevin Roberts, the Cricket Australia chief executive, has pledged New Zealand will be granted more frequent Boxing Day Tests as he acknowledged that the game's financial powerhouses needed to work together to ensure that it grows healthier outside the cricket super economies of India, England and Australia.

[JSRAW]

But this might clear, basically one ICC tournament every year and total 8 Tournament in next cycle.

1. Two 50 overs world cup, 4 T-20 World Cup are fixed in 8 years.
2. Two extra ICC tournament, it could be T-20 WC or 50 overs WC or they can give new name just like Champions Trophy, not clear atm. So its open to discussion that what those extra tournaments are.

Lol. The World Cup will basically become like the IPL and other yearly tournaments reducing its significance in my opinion which is why I don't think this is a great idea at all. Current gap should be reduced to something like 3 years and nothing less.

However, this could prove to be a hit since we can expect big things from such tournaments, but I have no idea how they can manage with tightly packed schedules these days. Lots of interesting news.

I think no one likes overdose of World cup or annual ICC tournament. if ICC is up for experiment and really thinking about World Cricket then they should take risk on 16-20 team T-20 WC or new territory of T-10 Cricket.