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[7788bitcoin]

It is the top order that is failing again and again. The middle order (especially Mohammad Nabi and Asghar Stanikzai) is doing quite good. Ever since Shahzad was thrown out of the team, the top order has been in a state of flux. They have been persisting with Zazai, Shah and Ahmadi for quite sometime, but these players haven't delivered yet.

The doubt i have is whether Afghanistan have a domestic structure to recruit young talents all i know about Afghanistan was because of terrorism and a torn country for more than a decade and when they came up with a cricket team i was surprised about how they were able to come up with some real world class talents, since the tournaments are conducted in India i know it is still not safe in Afghanistan and hence asking these.

[ene1980]

It is the top order that is failing again and again. The middle order (especially Mohammad Nabi and Asghar Stanikzai) is doing quite good. Ever since Shahzad was thrown out of the team, the top order has been in a state of flux. They have been persisting with Zazai, Shah and Ahmadi for quite sometime, but these players haven't delivered yet.

Mohammad Shahzad is their best player and his absence is felt throughout the tournament and they do not have a big pool of players to select and if Afghanistan needs to play some competitive cricket they need to develop young talents and they need to sort out the issue with Mohammad Shahzad as he is the top run maker in T20 and ODI and their best opener to date, he is talented but lacks fitness and he is the bad boy in the team.

[Sithara007]

It is the top order that is failing again and again. The middle order (especially Mohammad Nabi and Asghar Stanikzai) is doing quite good. Ever since Shahzad was thrown out of the team, the top order has been in a state of flux. They have been persisting with Zazai, Shah and Ahmadi for quite sometime, but these players haven't delivered yet.

Mohammad Shahzad is their best player and his absence is felt throughout the tournament and they do not have a big pool of players to select and if Afghanistan needs to play some competitive cricket they need to develop young talents and they need to sort out the issue with Mohammad Shahzad as he is the top run maker in T20 and ODI and their best opener to date, he is talented but lacks fitness and he is the bad boy in the team.

Shahzad was one of their best players, but not their best. I would rate both Mohammad Nabi and Asghar Afghan better than Shahzad. The advantage with Shahzad was that he used to smash the bowlers all around the park and was capable of giving an initial advantage. His replacement, Hazratullah Zazai has performed well in T20 franchise cricket, but he was unable to repeat the same in international cricket.

Afghanistan is a very populous country, and they have a big player pool. Right now they are sticking with a select few players for the top-order and this need to change. There are some young players emerging from the domestic leagues and it won't be a bad idea to give them an opportunity to play for the national team. And regarding Shahzad, I don't think that he'll ever play international cricket again.

[Vishnu.Reang]

The doubt i have is whether Afghanistan have a domestic structure to recruit young talents all i know about Afghanistan was because of terrorism and a torn country for more than a decade and when they came up with a cricket team i was surprised about how they were able to come up with some real world class talents, since the tournaments are conducted in India i know it is still not safe in Afghanistan and hence asking these.

The domestic cricket structure in Afghanistan is quite strong. At the bottom tier, there are more than 300 cricket clubs, spread out all over the country. Apart from a few provinces, all the others take part in the Inter-Provincial Tournament. And similar to Duleep Trophy of India, they have an inter-regional tournament, in which five regions take part.

[Clement Kaliyar]

since the tournaments are conducted in India i know it is still not safe in Afghanistan and hence asking these.

Afghanistan has stadiums but they are playing these international matches outside their home country because of security reasons, i was not aware if their cricket structure unless i see response from Vishnu.Reang.

The domestic cricket structure in Afghanistan is quite strong. At the bottom tier, there are more than 300 cricket clubs, spread out all over the country. Apart from a few provinces, all the others take part in the Inter-Provincial Tournament. And similar to Duleep Trophy of India, they have an inter-regional tournament, in which five regions take part.

If they are having 300 cricket clubs is it hard to find some good batsman among these players, they lack a good batsman in the team to perform consistently and i think all these clubs prefer T20 and hence they are good at the shorter format.

[Vishnu.Reang]

If they are having 300 cricket clubs is it hard to find some good batsman among these players, they lack a good batsman in the team to perform consistently and i think all these clubs prefer T20 and hence they are good at the shorter format.

Nowadays cricket clubs mostly prefer the shorter version of the game, due to lack of time. However, Afghanistan do have a 4-day domestic tournament in which all the five regions take part. The domestic cricket is rapidly expanding there, thanks to the increased funding from the ICC (as per the latest revenue model, ACB will receive $5 million per year during 2017-23).

[7788bitcoin]

Thank you for all the response, i was not aware of their cricketing structure as i know nothing about them as a country other than the negative news i hear about in the news.

Nowadays cricket clubs mostly prefer the shorter version of the game, due to lack of time. However, Afghanistan do have a 4-day domestic tournament in which all the five regions take part. The domestic cricket is rapidly expanding there, thanks to the increased funding from the ICC (as per the latest revenue model, ACB will receive $5 million per year during 2017-23).

No wonder they have some good players in the T20 format and they are able to beat some teams in the past and i hope the T20 would be more competitive than the ODI but West Indies also have a good team, waiting for their T20 series.

[ene1980]

No wonder they have some good players in the T20 format and they are able to beat some teams in the past and i hope the T20 would be more competitive than the ODI but West Indies also have a good team, waiting for their T20 series.

T20 starts tomorrow and West Indies have a set back as one of the players Pooran is banned for four T20Is for ball tampering in the last match. Afghanistan has much better team for T20 and i expect it to be more competitive than the ODI, Steve Smith and Warned was banned for ball tampering for a year if i am not mistaken and why such a lenient suspension for Pooran ?.
 

[Sithara007]

If they are having 300 cricket clubs is it hard to find some good batsman among these players, they lack a good batsman in the team to perform consistently and i think all these clubs prefer T20 and hence they are good at the shorter format.

300 is still a very small number, when compared to the other countries. For example, in India you can find thousands of cricket clubs in any of the major cities, such as Delhi, Mumbai or Bangalore. Another thing is the quality. I am not sure about the quality of the game, including the pitches in which the matches are being played. As far as I know, there are only a handful of turf pitches in Afghanistan. However, many of these clubs travel to the neighboring Pakistan to take part in various competitions.

But earlier the Afghanistan team was more balanced. They had good pace bowlers such as Shapoor Zadran and Dawlat Zadran, and the opening duo of Mohammad Shahzad and Javed Ahmadi was skillful. Even in the spin department, they had more variety with the leg spin of Samiullah Shinwari. Now they are over-dependent on the spinners (Rashid Khan and Mujib ur Rahman) and in batting they are too much reliant on Mohammad Nabi and Asghar Afghan. And this has affected the team balance.

[Vishnu.Reang]

No wonder they have some good players in the T20 format and they are able to beat some teams in the past and i hope the T20 would be more competitive than the ODI but West Indies also have a good team, waiting for their T20 series.

T20 starts tomorrow and West Indies have a set back as one of the players Pooran is banned for four T20Is for ball tampering in the last match. Afghanistan has much better team for T20 and i expect it to be more competitive than the ODI, Steve Smith and Warned was banned for ball tampering for a year if i am not mistaken and why such a lenient suspension for Pooran ?.

Ideally, the ICC should be having same set of rules for all the players from all the teams. He tampered the ball, and should have been handed over a minimum of one year suspension. On the other hand, his colleague (Dwayne Bravo) was trying to downplay the seriousness of the offense by saying that Pooran committed a silly mistake and should be forgiven. These sort of silly mistakes end up destroying the spirit of the game.

[Clement Kaliyar]

Nowadays cricket clubs mostly prefer the shorter version of the game, due to lack of time. However, Afghanistan do have a 4-day domestic tournament in which all the five regions take part. The domestic cricket is rapidly expanding there, thanks to the increased funding from the ICC (as per the latest revenue model, ACB will receive $5 million per year during 2017-23).

The shorter version of the game will not help in developing proper batsman for the longer version of the game and in the future we will not see legit batsman who are capable of batting for a longer period of time and even if the ICC promote these longer version it will not last longer if all the cricket boards emphasis on T20 as it is a cash cow and now we have T10, its funny how things changes rapidly in a short period.

[Vishnu.Reang]

Nowadays cricket clubs mostly prefer the shorter version of the game, due to lack of time. However, Afghanistan do have a 4-day domestic tournament in which all the five regions take part. The domestic cricket is rapidly expanding there, thanks to the increased funding from the ICC (as per the latest revenue model, ACB will receive $5 million per year during 2017-23).

The shorter version of the game will not help in developing proper batsman for the longer version of the game and in the future we will not see legit batsman who are capable of batting for a longer period of time and even if the ICC promote these longer version it will not last longer if all the cricket boards emphasis on T20 as it is a cash cow and now we have T10, its funny how things changes rapidly in a short period.

Obviously if you want to observe proper batting and bowling techniques, then you should watch test cricket. The strategy with T20 is monotonous. The batsmen try to smash as many runs as possible and they don't care much about building the innings or even to take singles and twos. But if that is what the fans want, then the ICC should listen to them.

[ene1980]

Ideally, the ICC should be having same set of rules for all the players from all the teams. He tampered the ball, and should have been handed over a minimum of one year suspension. On the other hand, his colleague (Dwayne Bravo) was trying to downplay the seriousness of the offense by saying that Pooran committed a silly mistake and should be forgiven. These sort of silly mistakes end up destroying the spirit of the game.

Match fixing and ball tampering should have harsh punishment because that could impact the game as well as the result of the match and millions are wagered in every match and that can cost you money and huge losses and that cannot be accepted, when Smith and Warner were suspended i thought it was harsh but the ground reality of considering everything that was appropriate but now when it comes to Pooran they are downplaying the event which is strange.

[Clement Kaliyar]

Obviously if you want to observe proper batting and bowling techniques, then you should watch test cricket. The strategy with T20 is monotonous. The batsmen try to smash as many runs as possible and they don't care much about building the innings or even to take singles and twos. But if that is what the fans want, then the ICC should listen to them.

I cannot call it the evolution of the game but it is good to see so many variation of the match and i think only in cricket you can find this much variation, Test matches, 4 day games, ODI, T20 and now T10 and none of the other sporting events have this kind of formats in a sport, the only thing missing here is mixed matches were ladies can play alongside men like we have in tennis mixed doubles .

[Vishnu.Reang]

I cannot call it the evolution of the game but it is good to see so many variation of the match and i think only in cricket you can find this much variation, Test matches, 4 day games, ODI, T20 and now T10 and none of the other sporting events have this kind of formats in a sport, the only thing missing here is mixed matches were ladies can play alongside men like we have in tennis mixed doubles .

Nope. Mixed gender matches are not possible with cricket. If you want that, then there should be a rule that only women players would bowl against the women batsmen. Else they will get blown away by the raw pace of the male bowlers. Also, most of the women pacers have an average speed of around 110 kmph. That is almost the speed at which some of the male spinners bowl.

[Sithara007]

Obviously if you want to observe proper batting and bowling techniques, then you should watch test cricket. The strategy with T20 is monotonous. The batsmen try to smash as many runs as possible and they don't care much about building the innings or even to take singles and twos. But if that is what the fans want, then the ICC should listen to them.

I cannot call it the evolution of the game but it is good to see so many variation of the match and i think only in cricket you can find this much variation, Test matches, 4 day games, ODI, T20 and now T10 and none of the other sporting events have this kind of formats in a sport, the only thing missing here is mixed matches were ladies can play alongside men like we have in tennis mixed doubles .

The last thing that I would like to watch is a mixed gender match. Being a female, I would say that cricket is not one of the domains where females are capable of competing against the men. The salary of the female players have risen by manifold over the past few years and they should be happy about it. Women's T20 leagues, such as the WBBL of Australia have propped up, employing a large number of female players.

But the basic question remains. Is it possible for a national level female player to compete against a club level male player (without any added advantage)? I have tried to watch a few of the WBBL matches, but I found them too boring. And in one instance, I stopped watching it, and switched to the Bradford Premier League match between New Farnley CC Vs Methley CC (in Youtube). And know what? I found the latter more exciting.

[Juggy777]

The last thing that I would like to watch is a mixed gender match. Being a female, I would say that cricket is not one of the domains where females are capable of competing against the men.

But the basic question remains. Is it possible for a national level female player to compete against a club level male player (without any added advantage)?

@Sithara007 I don’t think we will ever see a mixed gender match between any country, as there’s lots of things that can go horribly wrong in planning such a match. To give you’ll an example if in the heat of the moment a male player, pushes or abuses a female player for missing a catch then the very next day he would be called a racist and be portrayed as a villain. Also think of the injuries those females could get when they’ll be facing 140 or 150 kmph deliveries bowled at them.

[Vishnu.Reang]

@Sithara007 I don’t think we will ever see a mixed gender match between any country, as there’s lots of things that can go horribly wrong in planning such a match. To give you’ll an example if in the heat of the moment a male player, pushes or abuses a female player for missing a catch then the very next day he would be called a racist and be portrayed as a villain. Also think of the injuries those females could get when they’ll be facing 140 or 150 kmph deliveries bowled at them.

Let's just keep politics out of cricket. When we mix politics with sports, it doesn't always gives the best outcome. Female empowerment is good... but cricket is not the domain where this should be implemented. BTW, I am glad with the growth in women's cricket. I heard that they are planning for a league similar to the IPL in India. Perhaps they should concentrate on that, rather than going for the mixed gender matches.

[Haunebu]

The shorter version of the game will not help in developing proper batsman for the longer version of the game and in the future we will not see legit batsman who are capable of batting for a longer period of time and even if the ICC promote these longer version it will not last longer if all the cricket boards emphasis on T20 as it is a cash cow and now we have T10, its funny how things changes rapidly in a short period.

Seriously? Entertainment and fun are the primary reasons why anyone watches these matches which is where the T-20 format is leagues ahead when compared to both ODI and test formats. T-20 format made Cricket a lot more entertaining for me and many others and we love it.

I don’t think we will ever see a mixed gender match between any country, as there’s lots of things that can go horribly wrong in planning such a match. To give you’ll an example if in the heat of the moment a male player, pushes or abuses a female player for missing a catch then the very next day he would be called a racist and be portrayed as a villain. Also think of the injuries those females could get when they’ll be facing 140 or 150 kmph deliveries bowled at them.

This is pretty obvious and is the reason why majority of the sports around the world do not organize such events except for the minority like Volleyball etc.

[JSRAW]

The shorter version of the game will not help in developing proper batsman for the longer version of the game and in the future we will not see legit batsman who are capable of batting for a longer period of time and even if the ICC promote these longer version it will not last longer if all the cricket boards emphasis on T20 as it is a cash cow and now we have T10, its funny how things changes rapidly in a short period.

Seriously? Entertainment and fun are the primary reasons why anyone watches these matches which is where the T-20 format is leagues ahead when compared to both ODI and test formats. T-20 format made Cricket a lot more entertaining for me and many others and we love it.

I think Clement Kaliyar is talking about the main difference of Test format and Shorter format (T-20 and T-10). however i agree with your statement that T-20 format is much more entertaining for spectators but you can't deny the fact that there are hardly any T-20 specialist who can perform in the Test cricket.