ODI cricket and general cricketing discussion [self - mod]

[mersal]

Shimron Hetmyer scored a century with a good strike rate while Shai Hope scored a century with patience and both these players destroyed India with ease and now they are leading the series with an unexpected victory as i did not expect West Indies to defeat India but anything can happen as rarely do we see a white wash from India in any tournament and glad i did not place a bet.

I been a long time since i saw India team in such a bad form. Beating India in India is a big achievement by the West Indies.  
Chennai crowd would be disappointed  today seeing their team lost in front of the home crowd. Shimron Hetmyer 139 runs was a classical innings which is unforgettable.

My bad,match went upside down completely,didn't expect such a clean strike from WI.Kudoos to the players who managed to clam their nerves infront of such a huge crowd.But WI team has no heaters in India since they are shattered all around IPL teams and playing important role in every teams which madem illions of hearts to them even if it is not their home ground or nation.A day to forget for team India,Do you miss captain cool in this match? If MSD was playing then there will be total change in the playing nature of every player especially their fielding will be best.

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[teosanru]

Lots of unfit players is making team's morale down. Moreover it's pretty obvious that dew was a great factor today. Why is it always that when India wins it's either Kohli or Rohit who is the superhero of the win and if both of them fail India really never wins.

In day night matches dew is always a factor as the bowlers will find it hard to grip the ball as with the humidity in India it is obvious that winning the toss and electing to field is the best option always and West Indies was lucky enough to win the toss and they chased the target with ease, toss is a factor and i would like to bet in the next match as i saw the odds for West Indies were huge as India was the favorite.

Yes! I just realized match was in Chennai and dew in Chennai is much higher as it is a port city with sea just nearby. At night especially in this season there is a lot of dew and playing 25 overs with one ball really makes the ball pretty wet.

It is disappointing performance from Indian top order batting lineup but the middle order gives good performance between  Iyer and pant with that partnership  Indian team reached 287 runs it will decent score but West Indies bowlers did great job to control Indian team under 300 runs and reached target without any trouble with two centuries between hope and hetmyer.

I don't think 287 is ever a good total in India. Indian pitches are made for batsmen and not to forget that it's always hard to bowl in the second innings in day night matches so I think even the middle order could have batted for a bit long once they settled both Iyer and Pant did make half centuries but their effort wasn't really enough to take India to a respectable total.

[Sithara007]

A day to forget for team India,Do you miss captain cool in this match? If MSD was playing then there will be total change in the playing nature of every player especially their fielding will be best.

Oh.. common.. you can't blame the absence of Mahendra Singh Dhoni on the defeat. I don't think the outcome could have been any different, if he was playing. His replacement (Rishabh Pant) was the top scorer for India, making 71 from 69 balls. India lost the match because the top order collapsed, and Sreyas Iyer also wasted a lot of balls while building the 3rd wicket partnership with Rohit Sharma. The total was only 80 runs after the 18th over and this slow start made sure that India would score less than 300. And any score less than 300 is not easy to defend on the batsmen-friendly surfaces of India.

[JSRAW]

Harsha raising very good and critical question but sadly there is no solution to this problem for at least next 5-10 years IMO. its hard to find next Sachin,Sehwag, Yuvraj,Raina.

[Clement Kaliyar]

Harsha raising very good and critical question but sadly there is no solution to this problem for at least next 5-10 years IMO. its hard to find next Sachin,Sehwag, Yuvraj,Raina.

It is a realistic point that there is a lack of batting all rounders apart from Jadeja and Pandya is injured for a very long period of time and you cannot find players like Sachin Sehwag or Yuvraj who could change the match with bat and ball and i feel we under appreciated Yuvraj when he was playing as he was fully utilized as an all rounder around the 2011 world cup and he performed above all expectations.

[onrise]

Harsha raising very good and critical question but sadly there is no solution to this problem for at least next 5-10 years IMO. its hard to find next Sachin,Sehwag, Yuvraj,Raina.

The point raised by Harsha is really concerning India team beacuse it is valid point and BCCI would have have to work in this direction beacuse it can solve some of the problems of having good all rounders in the team in every match .

[7788bitcoin]

A day to forget for team India,Do you miss captain cool in this match? If MSD was playing then there will be total change in the playing nature of every player especially their fielding will be best.

Oh.. common.. you can't blame the absence of Mahendra Singh Dhoni on the defeat.

I serious think that if Mahendra Singh Dhoni was the captain he would have approached the game differently as he was the best captain India ever had and Kohli is not known to win games as a captain but Mahendra Singh Dhoni was a specialty was to bring something and do something to break the partnership especially in ODI and T20 he was the best captain ever.

[Vishnu.Reang]

I serious think that if Mahendra Singh Dhoni was the captain he would have approached the game differently as he was the best captain India ever had and Kohli is not known to win games as a captain but Mahendra Singh Dhoni was a specialty was to bring something and do something to break the partnership especially in ODI and T20 he was the best captain ever.

Being a fan of the Indian cricket team, I think that it will be better not to compare the two players, as they have very different styles of captaining the team. As of now, Dhoni is well past his prime and may take part only in a select few matches per year. So the captaining responsibility will be with Virat Kohli for at least the next 5-6 years.

[JohnBitCo]

Lots of unfit players is making team's morale down. Moreover it's pretty obvious that dew was a great factor today. Why is it always that when India wins it's either Kohli or Rohit who is the superhero of the win and if both of them fail India really never wins.

In day night matches dew is always a factor as the bowlers will find it hard to grip the ball as with the humidity in India it is obvious that winning the toss and electing to field is the best option always and West Indies was lucky enough to win the toss and they chased the target with ease, toss is a factor and i would like to bet in the next match as i saw the odds for West Indies were huge as India was the favorite.

So it means that the team who bat second will win the next match. So we could make a bet right after the toss and invest a good amount on the team batting second. If dew play a role in each match, this would be easy betting win in this India West Indies series.

Anyone else who is deciding to bet on the next match based upon the result of toss ?

[Indymoney]

Lots of unfit players is making team's morale down. Moreover it's pretty obvious that dew was a great factor today. Why is it always that when India wins it's either Kohli or Rohit who is the superhero of the win and if both of them fail India really never wins.

In day night matches dew is always a factor as the bowlers will find it hard to grip the ball as with the humidity in India it is obvious that winning the toss and electing to field is the best option always and West Indies was lucky enough to win the toss and they chased the target with ease, toss is a factor and i would like to bet in the next match as i saw the odds for West Indies were huge as India was the favorite.

So it means that the team who bat second will win the next match. So we could make a bet right after the toss and invest a good amount on the team batting second. If dew play a role in each match, this would be easy betting win in this India West Indies series.

Anyone else who is deciding to bet on the next match based upon the result of toss ?

You have good point because in first ODI when I was watching match I check few things and then bet on West Indies odds @3 even once these was @5 but I take my time and then place which give me very healthy profit just you have to check few things during match and then place bet and enjoy match and your bet both.

[Sithara007]

So it means that the team who bat second will win the next match. So we could make a bet right after the toss and invest a good amount on the team batting second. If dew play a role in each match, this would be easy betting win in this India West Indies series.

Anyone else who is deciding to bet on the next match based upon the result of toss ?

On average, the chances of winning a cricket match in case you have won the toss is around 60%. I couldn't find any major differences between day matches and day/night matches. The dew factor can be a major issue in a select few grounds. But I have a feeling that in many cases, its importance is overblown. The losing team needs to give some excuse and dew is one of the excuses that comes in very conveniently. The 2nd ODI will take place at the coastal city of Visakhapatnam, where dew may cause some difficulty to the team bowling second.

[onrise]

Tomorrow is the 2nd ODI between India Vs WI which would be played at Vishkapatnam . It would be interested to see what changes team India does in the bowling line up considering the first match where India lost the match one sided .

[JSRAW]

Harsha raising very good and critical question but sadly there is no solution to this problem for at least next 5-10 years IMO. its hard to find next Sachin,Sehwag, Yuvraj,Raina.

It is a realistic point that there is a lack of batting all rounders apart from Jadeja and Pandya is injured for a very long period of time and you cannot find players like Sachin Sehwag or Yuvraj who could change the match with bat and ball and i feel we under appreciated Yuvraj when he was playing as he was fully utilized as an all rounder around the 2011 world cup and he performed above all expectations.

This problem is old but no one really talks about it much, so its good that prominent commentator from India speaking about this but i feel this statement should come from the management or selectors then we can expect some kind of improvements.

As far as i know not a single batsmen in the Top order wants to bowl or even try to bowl. Bowlers try to bat in the Test format but they are not good enough for the Shorter format.  some might say that Yuvraj is under appreciated because of his exclusion in 2015 World cup. but i believe he's loved among the cricket fraternity in India.

[Vishnu.Reang]

Tomorrow is the 2nd ODI between India Vs WI which would be played at Vishkapatnam . It would be interested to see what changes team India does in the bowling line up considering the first match where India lost the match one sided .

Hmmm.. the Visakhapatnam ODI is very crucial, because this is a 3-match series and in case West Indies manage to beat India, then they will win the series. And this can have an impact on the ODI rankings for India, as they are currently at the 2nd place with 120 points. If they lose another ODI match, then England will be able to widen the gap between them and India. 

[JSRAW]

This Visakhapatnam ground is considered heaven for batsmen and both Indian- Windies batsmen have good record in this ground. If i am not wrong then this is the same ground where spectators enjoyed the tie after Indian team scoring 300+runs, same opponents (IND vs WI). So India might want to go with 5 specialist bowlers tomorrow.

I doubt if Indian team thinking about ranking atm. they just want to be alive in the series by winning the game.

[Indymoney]

This Visakhapatnam ground is considered heaven for batsmen and both Indian- Windies batsmen have good record in this ground. If i am not wrong then this is the same ground where spectators enjoyed the tie after Indian team scoring 300+runs, same opponents (IND vs WI). So India might want to go with 5 specialist bowlers tomorrow.

I doubt if Indian team thinking about ranking atm. they just want to be alive in the series by winning the game.

Four matches in Visakhapatnam 1 won by India 1 y West Indies and 2 without result as i cancelled and 1 tie look like good match coming for us https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/18902/scorecard/1157755/india-vs-west-indies-2nd-odi-west-indies-in-india-2018-19

[Sithara007]

This Visakhapatnam ground is considered heaven for batsmen and both Indian- Windies batsmen have good record in this ground. If i am not wrong then this is the same ground where spectators enjoyed the tie after Indian team scoring 300+runs, same opponents (IND vs WI). So India might want to go with 5 specialist bowlers tomorrow.

I doubt if Indian team thinking about ranking atm. they just want to be alive in the series by winning the game.

5 specialist bowlers including Jadeja? Or Jadeja in addition to five bowlers? I would prefer the first case, because from the first match it was evident that the Indian middle order is not as strong as they claim it to be. Once the top order batsmen got out, the run rate dropped to unsustainable levels, as Sreyas Iyer and the other middle order batsmen took a lot of time to settle in. And this was one of the reasons why they were unable to score a total in excess of 300. And at Visakhapatnam, you have almost zero chances of win, if the total is below 300.

[pakhitheboss]

Virat Kohli & Co. will look to bounce back as they take on Windies in the 2nd ODI in Vizag today. Who do you think will WIN todays match?

[onrise]

Virat Kohli & Co. will look to bounce back as they take on Windies in the 2nd ODI in Vizag today. Who do you think will WIN todays match?

The concern that India is facing is with Bowling department and if India manages to bowl well then they should win the match . Also expecting a change in a bowler compared to last ODI and batting line up may remain the same .

[miningguru]

Harsha raising very good and critical question but sadly there is no solution to this problem for at least next 5-10 years IMO. its hard to find next Sachin,Sehwag, Yuvraj,Raina.

It's game, we need to enjoy every moment because some time, even though we score less 250 runs we will win, it doesn't mean we have to similar batsmen like Sachin, Sehwag, Yuvraj etc. Already current team members who scored decently in the last match but it happened in International cricket.