[POLL] The Official Dirty Turds Poll - Which DT needs flushing first ???????????

[The-One-Above-All]

NOW he comes crying about ad hominem straight after his own derailing ad hominem gender and identity crisis speculations and fungi jibes. What a total idiot and embarrassment.

So after stomping xldivs mind into the dirt in public and pulling part all of his pathetic low functioning blathering and excuses for his friends undeniably dirty deeds and making fun of them to the degree he simply abandons them and moves to the next one.

You were boasting about it. Now you are whinging that I pointed it out ? You, yourself and I - please make up your mind !

FAILING TO MEET OUR CHALLENGE MEANS YOU ARE AFRAID UNDER SCRUTINY YOU WILL BE FOUND TO BE CLEARLY CORRUPT .

non sequitur

Failing to take action when there is no obligation to act is not proof of anything. Corruption requires "Mens rea".

The ONLY arbiter we would accept is THEYMOS

I accept Theymos as arbitrator.

However I see some issues for you.

1) Theymos has already outed you as Cryptohunters alt.

You (cryptohunter) might've had some case for the trust system being broken if you had handled your initial trust issues with rationality and patience instead of absolutely losing your mind and throwing lies around, and even now I could imagine your red trust eventually being cleared if you were able to attain a stable mindset.

2) It is up to you to convince Theymos to judge it and to prove he will be judging it. He is your suggestion. I accepted. Theymos decision will be final.

3) Theymos is on DT1  and has not tagged any of the people you complain about.

4) If you back out - it breaks the agreement that I just accepted.

Watch how we pull this 4 merits worthy post to pieces as we have done with every other post xldiv has created here. As we have noted in meta (when challenging scammers their supporters or the status quo in any way) find the merited posts and you find the net negative garbage.

So, clearly he has this the wrong way around (not surprising)

He WHINES about us having no EMPATHY and we simply demonstrate he is full of shit and is either lying or lacks empathy.

He WHINES about ad hominem attacks  and we simply demonstrate he is launching ad hominem attacks

he is complaining first in both instances.


LOL, well that is the point, you claim that there is no obligation we have said the only accountability DT's have for clear double standards (blatant corruption and collusion) except to each other. What a sham of a system.  Lol at claiming you do not understand that giving negative trust to an account seller on one hand but then including on DT an account seller and self confessed willing scam facilitator for pay ( who also includes/included other proven scammers and trust abusers on DT)  is totally double standards and corrupt. Haha well unless you do not include nutildah on DT and in that case you can simply exclude him from DT and give him red trust.

Corruption requires "Mens rea".

I hope bones does not hear you saying that.

Us saying we don't want nor require a 3rd party to judge the debate but would accept theymos does NOT obligate us to get theymos onboard with the idea at all. We said we will prefer to just have an open public debate. If you insist on having a 3rd party then we would accept Theymos.

We have no idea why if we are only going to be presenting observable instances and making straight comparisons why you need to hide behind a 3rd party. This is going to be fully transparent and public? there is no way to cheat is there lol?

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Theymos has CLAIMED that he believes we are cryptohunter. You say outed as if he has proven that the same person publishing these posts is the same person submitting posts from the cryptohunter account. THAT IS IMPOSSIBLE.   Although it does of course bring into question WHY theymos decided on dive in on a thread of a member that has no scam accusations or pose no financial danger to any members and try to out them in the first place. Whatever server side information theymos has he has as he was intended to have. I mean we turned up in meta using the same pet names as only he gave people, claiming to be his stand in, and posting in a very similar posting style right? haha ... ALL OF THOSE THINGS COULD HAVE BEEN ALTERED if we were not immediately wishing to be recognized as cryptohunter himself or a friends of his.

Other friends are possibly posting away happily on tor or other non related ip's on different hardware in different posting styles.

Further more the "accusation" by theymos that cryptohunter on being trust abused went and started spreading LIES has been debunked as false. The thread we created calling theymos to present the observable lies WAS DELETED. We let it go since we are not trying to pick a direct fight with theymos as we are grateful to him and this forum. We considered his FALSE statement as we considered his prior FALSE statements like dark is not a scam etc as a lack of proper research rather than a deliberate and dishonest attack. We hope now he takes some time to investigate and verify for himself that ALL of cryptohuters claims and evidence are 100% correct and fully verifiable. We are VERY critical of theymos's systems of control, we have VERY critical of his lack of proper research, we are NOT critical of his intentions nor of his politics in general since his posts/views are very aligned with our own.

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Besides which, everything inside those dotted lines are IRRELEVANT. If theymos provably and undeniably had demonstrated we were the satan himself. This would not mean that we can not present observable and fully independently verifiable instances here for public examination and have them compared to OTHER observable and fully independently verifiable instances here for direct public analysis.  There needs be no deciding judge, the public can judge (not meta board scum (not that theymos falls into that category) and they can look forward to hearing you XLDIV explain...

" well yes, some people selling an account need to have red trust because they are clearly financially high risk even if they considered it harmless to do so, BUT  my friend nutildah who was screaming for months that he was certain that selling an account was clearly EVIL and certainly facilitating scamming and that he was going to start his own thread hunting them down and making them pariahs  THEN SAYS IF YOU PAY ME 0.3 BTC i will (by my own clear admission and own definition) become EVIL, willingly facilitate scamming. Then when people consistently point this out in a few years when I am busted, I will go back and edit the details of the evidence of that clear wrong doing that demonstrates I am clearly far more financially dangerous than just some bozo who sees nothing wrong with selling their account."  

that is the stand alone THEN if you bring in that he was including on DT other PROVEN scammers who were in return including MR EVIL SCAM FACILITATOR on DT you start to see how your claims of the " bones defense " that you did not realize this is clear double standards and that you just happen to be colluding with these people and you yourself being included on DT by these same individuals and clearly a beneficiary of all of this collusion, double standards and back scratching.

You see these people are not just going to have to be judged on their own undeniable scamming and willing and deliberate scam facilitating for pay, you must consider clearly that they are COLLUDING WITH and supporting OTHER undeniable scammers and financially dangerous individuals on to DT.

What makes them EVEN MORE dangerous to the board on top of those other clear points is that they are now in positions of TRUST and control. Therefore can leverage that do do EVEN MORE damage.

You don't need theymos here to hold your hand. Take your public thrashing that we will hand to you like a man. Stop being a little weasel trying to GET OUT OF IT by blaming it on theymos not coming and being judge, this is clearly what you are counting on.

Hiding behind theymos's lack of willing to sort all of this out (hiding) is only making you look MORE guilty of employing clear double standards and being corrupt.

What have you got to hide??

Look we already started helping you with some of your weaker ones.. like account sellers, account buyers, people that say are deleting all negative posts regarding their project and not answering scam "accusations",  people claiming other members are mentally ill (did you not just do that btw?) in your words makes them worthy of negative trust,

I mean I look forward to comparing these to undeniable instances of scamming, highly probably extorting and shady escrow, undeniable auction scaming, and undeniable instances of willing and deliberate scam facilitating for 0.3btc  and editing the evidence, multiple instances on single members who all have colluded together with DT inclusions ...

I hope you start to see that you threshold for giving negative trust, and your decisions to give TRUST INCLUDES is going to be thoroughly analysed blow by blow and at each point you will need to explain your actions and reasoning.

As I have said we are looking forward to it greatly. Even better if THEYMOS comes to have a good old read give his opinions which again will be analysed in public. If not then man up and if you are confident these people in the initial post are not financially high risk and don't meet your high standards for negative trust but do deserve your TRUST INCLUSIONS....they you have nothing to worry about do you?  stop being a little scared girl and come and face us for public debate.

Can't wait  

***since we are never afraid of the correct course of action and to be fair...  We will add that after examining his negative trust allocation (sometimes we can be a bit lazy on looking things up if we are not motivated to especially be interested in someone, we thought he had previously trust abused us, but that was some other more serious scumbag) his weakest negs do not even compared to red trusting whistle blowing like these other pieces of shit. However, still you must not be allowed to employ selective enforcement or double standard and get away with it. AND if you are adding them to DT then you have even more to answer for.

HURRY UP and get on with it.

Theymos we ask you hold his hand if he insists but even if NOT we want him to present his clear reasoning on every comparison and drill down on it for open and public scrutiny. There needs be no judge the members now and in the future will be the judges. If theymos says sure undeniable scammers, auction scammers, willing and deliberate scam facilitators also implicated strongly in extortion, shady escrow and undeniable trust abuse to silence whistle blowers are NOT AS BAD AS SOMEONE WHO BOUGHT OR SOLD AND ACCOUNT or said some people are mentally ill ....... then that does not make it true and I think the objective reader will still say that is bullshit (not current meta gang of course). But by all means have  theymos here holding your hand if you want. We do not mind and do not care. We welcome it since he should also give HIS REASONING, not just spout out something observably incorrect then run off.

Let's go.

*** yes there is some spelling/grammatical errors.... don't have time to check every single word over... If you are unable to piece it together then likely your opinion and contribution or lack there of will not be crucial or missed. Just put your feet up and get back to the tourettes poetry appreciation thread. haha

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[TheNewAnon135246]

According to several sources the average person types 40 words per minute. Assuming that CH is average, could someone scrape all of CH's posts and calculate how many hours he has wasted so far?

[Lauda]

According to several sources the average person types 40 words per minute. Assuming that CH is average, could someone scrape all of CH's posts and calculate how many hours he has wasted so far?

Even if you used 100 WPM, the conclusion is: Lifeless. This is a good job for Loyce, get right to it chap.

[nutildah]

I think its bizarre that CH never bothered to red tag or flag me but is clearly losing his marbles over the fact that other people aren't. Seems a bit hypocritical.

[xtraelv]

<snip> irrelevant wordwall

One moment claiming to be crushing my mind. Next backing out just the simplest agreement that you suggested and I accepted.

Didn't take long for you to try to weazel out of this one. I thought so much. Just cheap talk. Nothing to back it up.



Lets see the sequence of the conversation :

I'd be happy to do it if it is with an independent arbitrator to ensure the debate is an actual debate and not just one of your circus stunts where you dance around naked claiming victory. DO YOU ACCEPT THE CHALLENGE ?  YES or NO ?

The ONLY arbiter we would accept is THEYMOS

I accept Theymos as arbitrator.

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2) It is up to you to convince Theymos to judge it and to prove he will be judging it. He is your suggestion. I accepted. Theymos decision will be final.
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4) If you back out - it breaks the agreement that I just accepted.

[The-One-Above-All]

<snip> irrelevant wordwall

One moment claiming to be crushing my mind. Next backing out just the simplest agreement that you suggested and I accepted.

Didn't take long for you to try to weazel out of this one. I thought so much. Just cheap talk. Nothing to back it up.

The ONLY arbiter we would accept is THEYMOS

I accept Theymos as arbitrator.

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2) It is up to you to convince Theymos to judge it and to prove he will be judging it. He is your suggestion. I accepted. Theymos decision will be final.
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4) If you back out - it breaks the agreement that I just accepted.

1. observably crushed your mind and all of the pathetic excuse that spilled forth under pressure. UNDENIABLE.. People can simply read the prior interactions to see you just abandon one moronic excuse to pile into the next... each DESTROYED.

2. Which specific part did you find irrelevant - lets drill down pussy - you sound like the trolling trolling brigade who fail to produce any incorrect central points I have made and don't even dispute the observable instances (because they can not) but still claim it is trolling haha.

3. Saying I will accept going ahead WITH or WITHOUT theymos is only weaseling out in the opinion of a foxpooper or SS enthusiast.

2 fighters

above all - I will fight you anywhere any place including RIGHT NOW.

xldiv - I want someone to hold my hand.

above all - okay I'm willing to go ahead just you and me,  or theymos can hold your hand

xldiv - You make theymos do it or I will have an excuse not to fight. I'm counting on him not showing xldiv thinks praying and hoping.

above all - okay theymos is fine,  or else let's just do IT NOW YOU PUSSY.

Xldiv - See everyone he is afraid of me and trying to get out of the fight.

hahahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahaha  okay xldiv you just get more stupid



please moron GET THEYMOS, WE ALREADY JUST ASKED HIM TO COME HERE , NOW YOU GO ASK HIM SINCE YOUR HIS DT1 and probably a merit source to boot.

or JUST YOU AND ME.

Hurry UP FFS you look fucking pathetic. Only you and your meta board goons are going to believe we are scared to debate with you after reading the above posts.

NOW COME ON. LET's GET STARTED.

Please stop humiliating yourself over and over before we even get started with the inexorable unveiling of your double standards and colluding ways.


What is it with these little bears? look you can bring them to the fight and let your mommy hold them and do their little voices to support you from the ring side

" that's it xldiv, keep ramming your face into his heel like that over and over" " that's it now you're almost unconscious and looking like you have been hit by a train , you are certainly winning, look at him not a single scratch"    the little bears chant...hahaha

"look the fact he is not actually giving you the death blow and allowing you to survive proves he is a total wussy and knows you would kick his ass xldiv, you are still our hero " says the little  care bears from meta...haha

[TheNewAnon135246]

According to several sources the average person types 40 words per minute. Assuming that CH is average, could someone scrape all of CH's posts and calculate how many hours he has wasted so far?

Even if you used 100 WPM, the conclusion is: Lifeless. This is a good job for Loyce, get right to it chap.

I think we're already overestimating him by assuming the 40 words per minute.

[TMAN]

above all - I will fight you anywhere any place including RIGHT NOW.

ever the tough guy!

you are such a twat - you aren't even a shit, they come once a day - you are more like liquid piss coming along multiple times a day

[xtraelv]

What a total idiot and embarrassment.

Of course I talk like an idiot ! How else would you understand me? You are embarrassed for me ? How cute !  

What is it with these little bears? look you can bring them to the fight and let your mommy hold them and do their little voices to support you from the ring side hahaha

Yes - the bears make me feel at ease in such a combative environment. Whats wrong with that ?

Crushing minds, stomping boots. I only have the cuddle of a care bear to offer to such a macho brute. Obviously I'm under-resourced for the job.

This is probably about as tough as I can manage without the aid of more bears :



In your wall of words you complain about account sellers.

I dislike account sellers and account buyers. Selling accounts often leads to scams. But generally I have only ever tagged them if the account was used in a proven scam, proven bounty cheating where the manager complains or symilar conduct . However I do not disapprove of others that do tag sold accounts or account sellers.

So no double standard there. I'm also not about to change my personal criteria for tagging.

Also I have never been a merit source.

So many wrong assumptions from Mr The One. If you spend more time reading and less time rambling....then you might actually learn something.

" that's it xldiv, keep ramming your face into his heel like that over and over" " that's it now you're almost unconscious and looking like you have been hit by a train , you are certainly winning, look at him not a single scratch"    the little bears chant...hahaha

"look the fact he is not actually giving you the death blow and allowing you to survive proves he is a total wussy and knows you would kick his ass xldiv, you are still our hero " says the little  care bears from meta...haha

Ewwwww that sounds like you are having a wet dream. I hope you didn't make a mess.

I'm sure that sounded much better in your head.

[The-One-Above-All]

Can someone first explain to the tourettes poet that those are analogies of how we are destroying his arguments and excuses , they are not really us saying we are going to beat xldiv to a pulp in real life.  Good though to see the tourettes has returned. We like prefer him that way. I mean without his "entertaining" tourettes poetry as he says ... there is nothing else really -- well perhaps there is.. auction scamming, supporting scammers on DT, trust abuse, highly probable extortion attempts and spamming his gambling sig.



Well, it looks like we are making some small progress. The analogies are helping you see how silly your claims are that we want to escape this debate. Anyway let us not go on about that, since it looks like you are willing to face our challenge now and have decided to man up.

So full marks for not running away YET. We have not really started though have we. Now let's try to stop hiding behind the little bear pics and get down to the core debate. You will note we are only going use the observable and undeniable instances that any member can verify for themselves.

So you are not and have not been a merit source. Fair enough. We cleared that up. Good to know.  Before we decide on whether you employ DOUBLE STANDARDS or just employ standards that are untrustworthy and net negative as far as protecting innocent members from those that are financially high risk, let's proceed a little further. It seems clear to us that you meet the criteria for both of those to be applicable but we may have somehow misjudged you and this will become apparent as we move along.



Lets clear up a few more things before we proceed so we can be sure that we are on the same page.

Remember you have come this far, don't run away now. Stay until we have finished the public debate.



1. Do you or have you in the last 3 months included on your trust list  lauda, tman or nutildah and do they include or have they included you in the last 3 months?  Please answer in full

2. Do you accept that the purpose of negative trust is to place a warning of " financially high risk" or  " scammer"  ( since those are the 2 messages you get at the top of your threads if you meet certain thresholds theymos has set here for negative trust (old system) or flags (new system)). This is the PRIME and central reason for the negative trust and flagging systems. These are clearly theymos's intentions since they are his own words on the warning banners?


3. Is someone that lies or intentionally  deceives others for their own direct financial gain ..  a scammer and financially high risk? yes or no?

[xtraelv]

Remember you have come this far, don't run away now. Stay until we have finished the public debate.

Still waiting for confirmation of Theymos as arbitrator.

But I don't mind answering those three questions.

1. Do you or have you in the last 3 months included on your trust list  lauda, tman or nutildah and do they include or have they included you in the last 3 months?  Please answer in full

All publicly viewable:
https://loyce.club/trust/2019-11-02_Sat_07.33h/897509.html
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;dtview

Nutildah and Tman are on my trust list.

I don't know Lauda well. Lauda has never been on my trust list and Lauda has not trusted me.
I do communicate with Lauda at times and the information they have sent to me has always been reliable.
There have been times I have strongly disagreed with Lauda but I don't expect everyone to always agree with my opinion.
Everyone is responsible for their own actions.

Tman was added to my list around August. I had issues with the zeroaxl issue (I did not follow it completely) which was very poor judgement but in my opinion not with malicious intent. His work on resolving the Russian issue made me regain faith in his ability to work through issues.
A lot of things happen behind the scenes that determine whether I do or do not trust someone.

I believe that Tman has always had me on his trust list but I didn't check.

Tman is a dick sometimes. But I believe his heart is in the right place and he is sometimes exactly what is needed.

I consider myself to be a moderate libertarian with liberal tendencies. I try to work with other opinions. Sometimes I learn new things from people with different opinions. Sometimes we just agree to disagree.

And the trust system is only going to work if there's some level of forgiveness and de-escalation.

Nutildah has been on my trust list since January. I did not know Nutildah at the time he offered his account for sale.

2. Do you accept that the purpose of negative trust is to place a warning of " financially high risk" or  " scammer"  ( since those are the 2 messages you get at the top of your threads if you meet certain thresholds theymos has set here for negative trust (old system) or flags (new system)). This is the PRIME and central reason for the negative trust and flagging systems. These are clearly theymos's intentions since they are his own words on the warning banners?

I agree with the wording used by Theymos. This is what Theymos said:

You should give these ratings for anything which you think would impact someone's willingness to trade with the person, but you should not use trust ratings to attack a person's opinions or otherwise talk about things which would not be relevant to reasonable prospective traders.

3. Is someone that lies or intentionally  deceives others for their own direct financial gain ..  a scammer and financially high risk? yes or no?

Whether something constitutes a lie or is deceptive is sometimes subjective.
Each situation has to be judged on its merits.

For instance -  having an alt account(1) and denying that it is an alt account (2) if that account has negative trust (3) that is a form of scamming.

In my opinion placing negative feedback require several important factors to be considered:

1) In my opinion - is this person involved consistently in deceptive conduct.
2) In my opinion - is this person unlikely to stop their conduct.
3) In my opinion - could this conduct result in the financial harm to other forum users. (Includes scamming and defamation)
4) In my opinion - can a rating potentially prevent such conduct.

My tagging principles are based on my interpretation of   Discussion about acceptable and unacceptable behavior. Community values. DT

We have so many threads like this nowadays, people twerking for merits.

There are a lot of pointless "summarize something obvious" posts, but IMO btcsmlcmnr's summary added something.
Forgiveness and de-escalation are key to getting Trust working smoothly:
 - Forgiveness: Often people make fairly small mistakes, but then they seemingly get red-trusted for life. This isn't really fair, and it discourages participation due to paranoia: if you think that you have a 1% chance of running afoul of some unwritten rule and getting red-trusted for life, you might just avoid the marketplace altogether. Red trust should mostly be based on an evaluation of what the person is likely to do in the future moreso than a punishment/mark-of-shame.
 - De-escalation: If some people end up locked in a feud where they're only really giving negative trust to each other in retaliation for negative trust, then one of them should propose burying the hatchet and removing the negative trust. Otherwise it never gets resolved, and everyone is worse-off for it.

I do not view it as appropriate for trust ratings to relate primarily to non-trust matters. By giving someone negative trust, you're basically attaching a note to all of their posts telling people "warning: do not trade with this person!". If we can get DT working well enough, in the future I'd like to prevent guests from even viewing topics by negative-trust users in trust-enabled sections, so you have to ask yourself whether your negative trust would warrant this sort of significant effect.

In particular, in my view:
 - Giving negative trust for being an annoying poster is inappropriate, since this has nothing to do with their trustworthiness. If they're disrupting discussion or never adding anything, then that's something for moderators to deal with, and you should report their posts and/or complain in Meta about it.
 - Giving negative trust for merit trading and deceptive alt-account use may be appropriate, but you should use a light touch so that people don't feel paranoid.
 - You should be willing to forgive past mistakes if the person seems unlikely to do it again.
 - It is absolutely not appropriate to give someone negative trust because you disagree with them. I'm disappointed in the reaction to this post. Although H8bussesNbicycles is perhaps not particularly trustworthy for other reasons, the reasons many people gave for neg-trusting him are inappropriate. You can argue that what he's advocating is bad on a utilitarian level, but he would disagree, and his advocacy of a certain Trust philosophy doesn't by itself mean that he's an untrustworthy person. DT selection is meant to be affected by user lists, and it is totally legitimate to try to honestly convince other (real) people to use a list more in-line with your views.
 
I'm not going to blacklist people from DT selection due to not following my views, since a big point of this new system is to get me less involved, but if a culture somewhat compatible with my views does not eventually develop, then I will consider this more freeform DT selection to be a failure, and I'll probably get rid of it in favor of enforcing custom trust lists.

[The-One-Above-All]

some answers ... and a lot of garbage



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WOW we really thought you would be running away by now, but we see you still left yourself a little excuse to run away at any time...the old still waiting for theymos to hold my hand. COME ON MAN UP ... you have come this far. You will stay until the end right??? or what excuse will you give for vanishing??

I see already some clear signs of a person that is simply afraid to answer the questions here. Lots of extra filler excuses and refusal to answer yes or now to a clear cut question that a DT member should have no problem saying yes or no to.

Remember we must stick to what is UNDENIABLE and PROVEN not start performing some mental gymnastics and inserting excuses and personal homages to our pals. Then start trying to subvert from DIRECT AND PROVEN already committed financially motivated wrong doing to "possible" behaviors that in the future in our "opinions" with a few huge leaps and gaps that we try to fill with our own subjective garbage could be worth bringing up to derail.

We are sticking to undeniable and proven observable financially motivated wrong doing. Not we "speculate" someone has made claims that we "consider" may be untrue that "could" be seen to be a financial danger if we start making performing mental gymnastics. 


So since we are claiming YOU are CORRUPT or that you are UNTRUSTWORTHY and that YOU are posing a DIRECT FINANCIAL danger to members by DELIBERATELY allowing your "friends and fellow DT scum" to Undeniably commit scamming or admitting they are willing to facilitate scamming for a PRICE and refuse to red trust them and EVEN SUPPORT THEM TO POSITIONS OF TRUST then you need to answer questions to demonstrate this is NOT TRUE.

I mean if it is NOT TRUE then you will have no issue simply answering the questions and not trying to derail or subvert with your own subjective excuses and nonsense. Nobody cares if you knew the people when they committed acts that demonstrate undeniably they are financially dangerous, or if you think they are what is needed in other areas (not sure what they could be) Just answer the questions, directly and without the excuses and wildly subjective boarding on ludicrous claims.

SO going back to the questions again.  I will try to extrapolate some answers you are free to refute the extrapolations if you want to claim those are not your answers and correct them

I will try to extrapolate your answers for the reader in red.

1. Do you or have you in the last 3 months included on your trust list  lauda, tman or nutildah and do they include or have they included you in the last 3 months?  Please answer in full

tman and nutildah and xldiv   ALL SUPPORT EACH OTHER ON DT

2. Do you accept that the purpose of negative trust is to place a warning of " financially high risk" or  " scammer"  ( since those are the 2 messages you get at the top of your threads if you meet certain thresholds theymos has set here for negative trust (old system) or flags (new system)). This is the PRIME and central reason for the negative trust and flagging systems. These are clearly theymos's intentions since they are his own words on the warning banners?

YES  




3. Is someone that lies or intentionally  deceives others for their own direct financial gain ..  a scammer and financially high risk? yes or no?

YES with lots of excuses and other blathering on.



I mean from xldivs above reply it is clear that already he is NOT KEEN on simply answering yes or no NOR keep to what is undeniable and proven. Also trying to move the discussion AWAY FROM UNDENIABLE OBSERVABLE SCAMMING FOR FINANCIAL GAIN and on to " speculations" of "possible" other behaviors that have no connection to the financial danger of other members without more "JUMPS AND SPECULATIONS"


So in summary then it looks fair to say you are saying.

You and nutildah and tman all support each other on DT.  You ALL benefit from YOU giving them a free pass on their UNDENIABLE SCAMMING and UNDENIABLE willingness to facilitate scams for direct payment. THAT IS TRUE is it not? I mean there is clear motivation there for you to give them a free pass. That is clear.

You accept that undeniable scamming and undeniable financially motivated wrong doing is a cause for red trust  AND NOT CAUSE FOR BEING ADDED AS ONE OF THE MOST TRUSTED MEMBERS OF THIS FORUM. Those undeniably scamming or undeniably committing wrong doing for DIRECT FINANCIAL GAIN should have red trust and be excluded from the trust system. This you agree with right?

I mean if you do NOT agree with those then speak up and we can get down to why. I am not interested in your personal beliefs that your SPECULATIONS and unproven opinions are also in your "opinons" grounds for negative trust or exclusion from the trust system.  We are dealing only with UNDENIABLE and ALREADY obsevable committed acts of direct financially motivated wrong doing for now. Please no more derailing or side tracking.


SO now we have established these things.


Let's take TMAN and see how his UNDENIABLE wrongdoing fits in with your answers and then the actions you have taken.

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1.  Tman - it is all in the OP but since you seemed to select only PART of his illustrious past then we need to repost it all here for you.

TMAN

This person is clearly a low functioning imbecile. We have previously challenged it to present it best original thought inspiring posts for analysis (since his account was showered in merits to boost it from hero to legendary. He could not provide ANYTHING of real value or merit. He claims he is given merit because people find his swearing and sexual deviant ramblings are entertaining. So he has zero value with regard reaching the optimal solution or opinion. He simply does not have the capacity to add any kind of value to this board.

He is also implicated in some VERY dirty and dangerous behaviors here.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1764757.0

His known PALS both owlcatz and lauda are both implicated in the same extortion attempt.

Seems Tman also is not above a bit of scamming directly when it suits him (we quote OG below who discovered this)

"TMAN used minerjones to anonymously auction a KIALARA and then attempted to manipulate the auction by stating, "wow this has to be a record low for a sub #100 serial. if I didn't have so many I would be snapping this up"
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1931778.msg19286369#msg19286369

Admission it was his auction:
"Dude I haven't crossed paths with OG in over 6 months, it wasn't until he derailed my auction hosted by MJ that this kicked off."
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1946142.msg19349060#msg19349060 "


Tman has also admitted in black and white that he used the trust system to punish those that present observable instances (facts) of wrong doing by his friend Lauda.

This DIRTY TURD is currently a merit source and DT.  Time to flush that filthy piece of shit.

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1. You seem to be claiming that you believe the robber running out of the bank and getting busted by the cops .... robber claims (although he has a loaded gun, raccoon suit, swag bag full of freshly stolen money.... " hey officers just doing a security test on the bank to make sure that other investors money is safe "  hahahahahah

Intention is impossible to prove, and you are seemingly willing to just give that a free pass. BUT OKAY we believe you haha

2 Examine the auction debacle next, I mean I am interested to see how you excuse THAT observable and undeniable act as not deception for direct financial gain.  I mean I don't even want a yes or no. I want a full set of excuses and a big story that demonstrates tman should not get negative trust, should be the most trusted member of the community ... can't wait.  How does this NOT meet the criteria for SCAMMING in your books??

3. When someone said to him previously -you can not give negative trust for a post presenting observable instances of laudas prior undeniable wrong doing -

Tman replied in black and white  " I can, I will and I just have... and if anybody does not like it....blah blah.

Explain how this does not fit with trust abuse and deliberately trying to silence whilstle blowing? therefore preventing other members having access to undeniable and proven financially motivated wrong doing of other members? therefore putting them at higher risk.

4. Tman includes the 2 other undeniable scammers Lauda and nutildah or has done until very very recently.


What reasoning did you employ to discount the extortion attempt so freely ? since those such as QS and I believe OG have confirmed after in depth investigation that this looks to be a very solid case. Of course their ACTIONS are undeniable only their intention seems to have been impossible to prove. Then again anyone can say ANYTHING is their intention can't they.

I mean you can say your INTENTION is to use the trust system to PROTECT other members from those PROVEN financially dangerous. However your actions certainly demonstrate the OPPOSITE is true.

If you dispute anything we have said DETAIL IT and then explain in detail WHY.

Read what we are asking you to provide clearly. 

Stop derailing and sidetracking we are investigating WHY you believe they should not have red trust or flags, and WHY you believe they should be the most trusted members of this forum even though there are UNDENIABLE observable events of financially motivated wrong doing that certainly are clear cut cases of SCAMMING in a directly financially dangerous way.

I mean later if you wish to "speculate" others are guilty of what you " believe" is possibly financially dangerous behaviors in the FUTURE. Is not reason to avoid answering the questions about the UNDENIABLE and observable ALREADY committed financially dangerous behaviors of your DT pals and inclusions.

Stop making yourself look even worse. It is as if you KNOW you are corrupt and your friends are clear scammers and you are deliberately trying to derail, create excuses.

We will slice through any excuses and derailing like butter.

OBSERVABLE UNDENIABLE FINANCIALLY DANGEROUS BEHAVIORS  OF THOSE YOU REFUSE TO GIVE RED TRUST TO AND INSTEAD CLAIM ARE THE MOST TRUSTED MEMBERS OF THE FORUM>>> THAT ALSO IN RETURN CLAIM THE SAME ABOUT YOU. 

Now get on with explaining in DETAIL why you concluded the extortion was OKAY, how the auction scamming is not auction scamming, and how the above trust abuse is not trust abuse. The DETAILS.  THE DETAILS on why you feel they are the most trust worthy people on the forum.

[suchmoon]

Sir Care Bear, please don't take my merits as an encouragement to feed the troll. Unfortunately I can't merit an absence of posts so the next best thing is to merit a calm rational response.

[nutildah]

tman and nutildah and xldiv   ALL SUPPORT EACH OTHER ON DT

Sorry but that's the only line I actually read when scrolling through your latest monstrosity.

[xtraelv]

WOW we really thought you would be running away by now, but we see you still left yourself a little excuse to run away at any time...the old still waiting for theymos to hold my hand. COME ON MAN UP ... you have come this far. You will stay until the end right??? or what excuse will you give for vanishing??

TOAA weaseling out of the agreement and gone back to being obnoxious.....what a surprise...yawn

So since we are claiming YOU are CORRUPT or that you are UNTRUSTWORTHY and that YOU are posing a DIRECT FINANCIAL danger to members by DELIBERATELY allowing your "friends and fellow DT scum" to Undeniably commit scamming or admitting they are willing to facilitate scamming for a PRICE and refuse to red trust them and EVEN SUPPORT THEM TO POSITIONS OF TRUST then you need to answer questions to demonstrate this is NOT TRUE.

Nope. I don't have to do anything. You have not kept your part of the agreement that we made.

I could easily do what you are doing.

I can claim you have kidnapped an invisible giraffe and starved it to death. Prove me wrong ! I can twist your words and eventually settle on that you insulted a cat and therefore you are still cruel to animals. I won't play that stupid game.

I will try to extrapolate your answers for the reader in red.

I gave the answers. You are just changing what I said.

Let me demonstrate the importance of emphasis and how easy it is to alter the meaning.

I never said you stole my money – I didn’t say it but I’m implying someone else may have.
I never said you stole my money – I am strongly objecting to the implication I accused you of stealing.
I never said you stole my money – I may not have said it, but I imply that I think it.
I never said you stole my money – I am not accusing you, but someone else has stolen my money.
I never said you stole my money – I don’t think you stole my money, but you did do something with it.
I never said you stole my money – You didn’t steal my money but I suggest you may have stolen someone else’s.
I never said you stole my money – You didn’t steal my money but I suggest you may have stolen something else.
https://factinator.com/i-never-said-she-stole-my-money/

You are clearly changing the emphasis, context and content of what I said while being rude and obnoxious. Doing so is outright dishonest.












<snip the bullshit>

[TMAN]

I'd like to see an analysis by robovac or moon on how many merits TAA earns per word.. it has to be the lowest of all merit receivers, not per post but per individual words, with his walls of text and less merits than a 3rd world shitposting bounty hunter I believe this is firm proof of the cancer he/she/it writes to all other forum members.

[The-One-Above-All]

WOW we really thought you would be running away by now, but we see you still left yourself a little excuse to run away at any time...the old still waiting for theymos to hold my hand. COME ON MAN UP ... you have come this far. You will stay until the end right??? or what excuse will you give for vanishing??

TOAA weaseling out of the agreement and gone back to being obnoxious.....what a surprise...yawn

So since we are claiming YOU are CORRUPT or that you are UNTRUSTWORTHY and that YOU are posing a DIRECT FINANCIAL danger to members by DELIBERATELY allowing your "friends and fellow DT scum" to Undeniably commit scamming or admitting they are willing to facilitate scamming for a PRICE and refuse to red trust them and EVEN SUPPORT THEM TO POSITIONS OF TRUST then you need to answer questions to demonstrate this is NOT TRUE.

Nope. I don't have to do anything. You have not kept your part of the agreement that we made.

I could easily do what you are doing.

I can claim you have kidnapped an invisible giraffe and starved it to death. Prove me wrong ! I can twist your words and eventually settle on that you insulted a cat and therefore you are still cruel to animals. I won't play that stupid game.

I will try to extrapolate your answers for the reader in red.

RUNNING AWAY WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE spouting non related shit.... zooooooooooooom










<snip the bullshit>

If we cut away some part of your excuses and bullshit and extrapolated answers YOU DO NOT AGREE WITH then specifically mention them and explain yourself you big girl don't start crying and run away. If you had given straight answers to the questions instead of trying to bury any real answer into a ton of unrelated speculation and crap to justify your scammer supporting ways, then it would not be needed. NOT RUN AWAY

These are undeniable independently verifiable instances of tmans auction scamming you dumb fool. This is not claiming tman kidnapped a giraffe with no evidence?? are you high or just that dumb??

People can simply click the link and investigate this for themselves.

So stop RUNNING AWAY you pathetic little weasel..


EXAMINE THE AUCTION SCAMMING OBSERVABLE INSTANCE YOU SCUMBAG and present your set of excuses as to WHY it is not scamming and is not worthy of red trust and why you are including him as one of the most trust members of the forum.

GET ON WITH IT SCUMBAG.  I will be reminding you where it is on topic and relevant and within the rules forever that you have run away from giving your explanation because YOU KNOW you deliberately and knowingly abusing the trust system and your position on it.

Now present your explanation now you big girl. If you want theymos here to hold your hand get a PM or beg him in public to save you from further humiliation.

Your proven scammer buddies giving you merit for your shit post weaseling and giving yourself an excuse to RUN AWAY out of this are just demonstrating clearly how broken this entire shit show is and what a scammer supporter you are. A thread about you is coming shortly perhaps that will bring you back to debate your conduct here instead of refusing to answer why you are including undeniable scammers on DT.

HURRY UP.

LOL at tman - the tourettes fool believes although he can offer ZERO original thought inspiring posts when asked to, ZERO achievements of any note except UNDENIABLE auction scamming, extortion and UNDENIABLE trust abuse that he can use his BOGUS shitty merit score (went from hero LOLLOL to legend LOLOLOLOL in record time apparently hahahahahahhahah) in all his years here has just been a fucking shit stain on this entire board.

Please tourettes poet, never leave our threads. We want the dumbest undeniable scammers and their little girly bear pals here  24/7 on demand to bitch slap around at will. Keep plastering merit on scammer supporters who will not even DARE to present an explanation in your defense when forced to drill down... just runs away crying for daddy theymos to come and help him.

XLDIV gets more retarded each post. Observable undeniable instances of scamming = claiming someone has stolen a giraffe and has zero evidence but the fact they said they said they didn't like cats.

XXXXXXL DIV.


Still waiting for xldivs excuses and big story about other people that demonstrates tmans undeniable auction scamming is NOT SCAMMING and is reason for DT selection.  

Come on XLDIV let's hear the story and excuses and speculations , guesses and giraffe stories about others that excuse tmans undeniable auction scamming all.

we knew you would be running away, you have disappointed us further (didn't know that was possible).

Why XLDIV will you NOT DARE to present an explanation of the observable and verifiable auction scamming and explain why it is NOT SCAMMING and why you will not say it is financially high risk, give a red tag BUT WILL RATHER CLAIM HE IS ONE OF THE MOST TRUSTWORTHY MEMBERS OF THIS ENTIRE FORUM??

WHY ARE YOU RUNNING AWAY WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE goes XL div and the little bears. Probably finding some more little bears pics to hide behind.

I expect your explanation when I return scammer supporter. OR WILL YOU RUN AWAY..... or create a bunch of excuses and reasons you will not present your reasoning here?? 

After you present your reasoning on WHAT I AM ASKING YOU HERE. Then you can go back and CLEARLY EXPLAIN WHY THE ANSWERS WE EXTRAPOLATED are not the answers you agree with and then say WHY.

[TMAN]

Please tourettes poet, never leave our threads. We want the dumbest undeniable scammers and their little girly bear pals here  24/7 on demand to bitch slap around at will. Keep plastering merit on scammer supporters

whilst I may not of shoved a thesaurus up my backside whist cramming one in each ear and nostril whilst simultaneously deepthroating 2 of them I am 99% sure my IQ far surpasses yours. Proof being your posts over the last 12 months achieving nada other than you getting carpal tunnel and having 4300 TMAN/Lauda wanks.

you see young pajeet - JUST BECAUSE YOU SAY SOMETHING IT DOESN'T MAKE IT TRUE.

I am now 100% sure you were bullied as a child, or maybe it was some of that dodgy family rape. Whatever happened in your past to break you like this I am genuinely sorry that another human being can suffer from such narcissistic traits.

anyway princess I feel in my left testicle it is coming to the time I hit the ignore button again.

xxxx

 

[TheNewAnon135246]

According to several sources the average person types 40 words per minute. Assuming that CH is average, could someone scrape all of CH's posts and calculate how many hours he has wasted so far?

Even if you used 100 WPM, the conclusion is: Lifeless. This is a good job for Loyce, get right to it chap.

Loyce pointed to Suchmoon since he/she already scraped CH's posts at some point.

[The-One-Above-All]

Please tourettes poet, never leave our threads. We want the dumbest undeniable scammers and their little girly bear pals here  24/7 on demand to bitch slap around at will. Keep plastering merit on scammer supporters

whilst I may not of shoved a thesaurus up my backside whist cramming one in each ear and nostril whilst simultaneously deepthroating 2 of them I am 99% sure my IQ far surpasses yours. Proof being your posts over the last 12 months achieving nada other than you getting carpal tunnel and having 4300 TMAN/Lauda wanks.

you see young pajeet - JUST BECAUSE YOU SAY SOMETHING IT DOESN'T MAKE IT TRUE.

I am now 100% sure you were bullied as a child, or maybe it was some of that dodgy family rape. Whatever happened in your past to break you like this I am genuinely sorry that another human being can suffer from such narcissistic traits.

anyway princess I feel in my left testicle it is coming to the time I hit the ignore button again.

xxxx

 

dodgy family rape = the most reasonable explanation for presenting observable and undeniable instances of clear scamming  by TMAN , the DT and merit source and genius, hahaha  WELL ...ACCORDING TO TMAN anyway lol

Shhhhhh tman the auction scammer, extortionist, trust abuser, scammer supporter, tourettes poet  and genius. Keep your undeniable "claims" of proof that are laughable  to yourself.

If you need help swallowing a large thesaurus, then I would expect a few members would be willing to give you some help. Plenty of left testicles ready to generate the much needed lubricant haha

I am still waiting for your scammer supporting buddy to scratch his head and decide whether it is best to remain hidden and run away or think of some way to tell us all about how undeniable and verifiable instances of your auction scamming is BRILLIANT and shows clearly how you are one of the most trustworthy persons on the entire board. I mean that is before we start forcing him to accept all the other undeniably dirty shit you are either STRONGLY implicated in or observable and undeniably guilty of.

Your left testicle gives you warnings of when it is best to run and hide??? that is a handy feature for a scammer I guess... hahah okay.... bye bye tourettes poet. The lack of swearing lately is very disappointing, no recent obsession with foul smelling vaginas either no vegetable sex fantasies  but still the sexual deviance incest theme is running strong . That's a good sign. Hate to see you lose ALL of your entertainment value. Although boasting about your intelligence or even daring to mention it is a new source of fun.....hahahhahahhah

Hey Tman, can you present your 5 best original thought inspiring posts for us to analyse? or even some major achievements (not scamming or extortion thanks) in all the years that you have been here???

I mean when you have taken us off ignore so you can actually read since you will not be able to see this will you? then again you have put us on ignore and promised never to talk to us again quite a few times have you not?? LOL   ask theymos is your ignore button is broken?? not sure who to ask about your broken mind though? haha

Look forward to speaking to you again shortly ToughMAN .... well when you take us off ignore and forget about never speaking to us again.


Where is XLdiv that little wussy hiding, where has he run away too? ??  anyone seen XLDIV??  he must be writing a story about giraffes or perhaps a book of cat insults. That will be useful I guess now that the other pussy (and scammer) lauda is back.


THE OTHER BAD NEWS(for you guys) (other than XLDIV RUNNING AWAY CRYING unmasking himself as deliberate and willing scammer supporter unless he comes back and debunks that observable instance now that he is fully aware...)  is that the option of stopping the poll at 66 votes  be quick guys because 666 666 votes is going to be here and then you will have missed that one too. Sadly there is nothing in between.

Very encouraging all the participation though this week.  XLDIV the main driving force and source of much needed entertainment now that some other scammer supporters have run away and are in hiding.  Let's hope he was just bluffing about running back to mommy now that we asked him some questions and we made it clear we really want direct answers to THOSE questions not the ones he creates for himself.  

Where is that wussy? how long does it take to make up these funny excuses and stories about giraffes kidnapping cat insulters?

I don't even think agent foxpoop would accept that analogy it is just far too silly and unbelievable ..... where the fuck is that thread...I am going to find that this evening. I miss reading that one over and over.  The vile vixen is now  just hiding away giving out merits sadly rather than bringing their unique view on ....well everything really...haha


69 votes down, only another few 100k votes to go, if that is what we decide to go with.... In for the long haul as they say...