Bitmain to release S17E 64TH

[MoparMiningLLC]

yes - it was Bitmain who told me they will ship from Malaysia to US for large orders. and it would be direct - no shipping to there and then from there to the US. I have 5 cent electric and still out of it. the tariffs are enough to keep me away.

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[Philipma1957cellphone]

I have to say I can't do escrow due to the newer coin tax rules in the states. Moving 100000 or more in coin will just cause me grief.

[Biffa]

Plus it doesn't matter where its shipped from, its where its made that matters. So unless they are actually making the circuit boards and assembling the miners in Malaysia then surely they'd have to declare it as made in China.

[philipma1957]

Plus it doesn't matter where its shipped from, its where its made that matters. So unless they are actually making the circuit boards and assembling the miners in Malaysia then surely they'd have to declare it as made in China.

which is yet another reason why it is too much to ask of an escrow.

I can see 100 x 1665 = 166500 x .276 = 45954 in tariffs on the t17e

[xephek]

... With what I pay with electric in the USA per kWh, even without the 27.6% tariff/import fees, not gonna fly.

Anyway, others on here may have some redress, if/when the USA Tariffs are pulled yet this fall.

Myself, still seems I'm out of mining of any note until probably well into next year, 2020.

Sucks. Them's the breaks.

Brad

I'm in the same boat. Hopefully the tariff bs ends, but I won't hold my breath.
Even without the tariffs, I still need a more efficient miner with my electrical costs. Looks like I'll be waiting.

[philipma1957]

Yeah gear is more industrialized. Many 3000 watt units. Costing 2000 usd and up.  This all makes a smaller miner on the edge.

[MoparMiningLLC]

Plus it doesn't matter where its shipped from, its where its made that matters. So unless they are actually making the circuit boards and assembling the miners in Malaysia then surely they'd have to declare it as made in China.

hmm yea I did not think of that - let me fetch the email I had gotten from them.

here it is, for orders of 200 - 500 miners:



I am actually thinking of getting some of the T17s as they are just under 1200 - can get 3 of them for the price of a S17E.

[NotFuzzyWarm]

Plus it doesn't matter where its shipped from, its where its made that matters. So unless they are actually making the circuit boards and assembling the miners in Malaysia then surely they'd have to declare it as made in China.

Exactly. I've said that many times before here: It is Country of Origin that matters and as a the single most important part of a miner is the completed hash boards that means they must be built outside of China. Not easy to do as there are really not that many PCB assembly houses in other countries that can handle such power and temp dense boards much less make bazillions of them per batch. Just ask IMET (AMT A1 miner days) about the learning curve on working with them...

BM, Canaan, Inno and others have it easy in China since Shenzhen and surrounding areas is packed with such suppliers thanks to the crypto miner boom...

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[MoparMiningLLC]

Exactly. I've said that many times before here: It is Country of Origin that matters and as a the single most important part of a miner is the completed hash boards that means they must be built outside of China. Not easy to do as there are really not that many PCB assembly houses that can handle such power and temp dense boards much less make bazillions of them per batch. Just IMET (AMT A1 miner days) about the learning curve on working with them...

gotcha - wonder why they said that to me then? trying to get me to buy 200 miners? then get slammed with the tariff? lol.

[NotFuzzyWarm]

no, I'd guess they probably need to the MOQ for a (Malaysian) company to make them for BM in a timely fashion. No doubt costs BM more and they don't want to spend that to have a more made to be 'in-stock' from Malaysia.

That said, ja guess is their way to try and force sales (and tariff penalty) to those made in China...

[AlecMe]

long shot, but anyone has a coupon that does not plan on using?

[MoparMiningLLC]

long shot, but anyone has a coupon that does not plan on using?

I wish I had one - Bitmain has not given me one for almost 6 months, even though I have ordered nearly 10 miners this year.

that made me remember - want to see something funny? go to ebay and see how many bitmain coupons there are.... that expired in March.... They still list them, why? hoping people buy without realizing they are expired?

[mikeywith]

They probably just forgot to delist those coupons, it is not like they can send you an expired coupon and say oh it's not our problem, when the coupons expire they kind of "vanish" , you can't use them, you can't send them you can only view them on the expired coupons tab.

[Searing]

I had a buddy with a LOT of coupons. They are all 'expired'. So that route may not be around anymore.

He was dorked and pissed off to say the least. So double-check on the Bitmain site, they may just 'wandered off' to 'dead coupon land' or something.

I'd check but have not bothered with the KYC stuff in that nothing has been available that makes sense in any way from Bitmain since that was added to their site.

yep, it has been that 'lean' indeed, the USA tariff was just driving a stake through my heart of the already dead mining dreams, due already to price and difficulty.

Brad

[mikeywith]

I had a buddy with a LOT of coupons. They are all 'expired'. So that route may not be around anymore.

I have been using ,buying and selling bitmain coupons for a long enough time to understand how this coupon game operates, but without having to go into a lot of explanations, as long as bitmain does not have a ton of gears sitting around, there will be no coupons circulating around, so if you want to use coupons to buy bitmain gears you got to wait for the next bear market which may take another year or two to start.

[AriesIV10]

The Antminer S17e and T17e will be released in three batches and will be available for sale on Bitmain’s official website according to the following timings:

1st Batch:

Selling Time: 09 September 2019, 19:00 GMT+8

Delivery Time: 01- 10 November 2019

2nd Batch:

Selling Time: 10 September 2019, 19:00 GMT+8

Delivery Time: 11-20 November 2019

3rd Batch:

Selling Time: 11 September 2019, 19:00 GMT+8

Delivery Time: 21-30 November 2019


https://blog.bitmain.com/en/bitmain-expands-in-demand-antminer-17-series-with-two-new-miners-reveals-specifications-and-selling-times/

[taserz]

Plus it doesn't matter where its shipped from, its where its made that matters. So unless they are actually making the circuit boards and assembling the miners in Malaysia then surely they'd have to declare it as made in China.

It's where it's assembled. They assemble them in Malaysia.

Think of it like care. Parts coming from everywhere just like parts on the miner. Where it is built is where it is from. (granted I know like VW will assemble in mexico but yeah)

[PopoJeff]

The Antminer S17e and T17e will be released in three batches and will be available for sale on Bitmain’s official website according to the following timings...

Thanks for the heads-up.

My email showed up overnight.
And, began refreshing the Bitmain page at 7am my time, and the S17e's came available again.

So I placed my first ever order with them, and completed my first ever payment for an item with btc.
Broke that cherry.

Now, my only remaining question is...... how do I handle the import/customs issue?  Ive never done that before, but have til Nov to figure it out.  I know I'll have to drop another $700 tariff fee. But what do I do from here for the customs part?
Any help/guidance will be greatly appreciated.

[MoparMiningLLC]

The shipping company should be contacting you concerning that - both times I had to pay, I was contacted by DHL - both times were for about 300 worth of fees. The first one was on about 8k worth of miners and the second time was for one miner that was 1400.

the rest of the miners I bought were under 1k each and I paid no fees for those. yet...

still debating on whether to order another T17 for 1145, shipped will be about 1300 and with tariff it will be close to 1650. and for a unit that wont be here till December.

[PopoJeff]

The shipping company should be contacting you concerning that - both times I had to pay, I was contacted by DHL - both times were for about 300 worth of fees. The first one was on about 8k worth of miners and the second time was for one miner that was 1400.

the rest of the miners I bought were under 1k each and I paid no fees for those. yet...

still debating on whether to order another T17 for 1145, shipped will be about 1300 and with tariff it will be close to 1650. and for a unit that wont be here till December.

Thank you.