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September 06, 2019, 02:33:13 AM
Last edit: September 06, 2019, 12:43:00 PM by frodocooper
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On their twitter account, just 10 minutes ago, Bitmain announced yet another "improved" gear with 64th and about 2880w, that is 45w per tera hash, which is almost exactly the same as the S17 pro running on Turbo mode, it seems like they added more chips and gave it a different name, but we can only be sure after they do release it, the Low power mode on this thing might be more efficient than the S17pro which is 36w per TH.



source: https://twitter.com/Antminer_main/status/1169796461686427648

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September 06, 2019, 04:55:01 AM
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Good glad I waited a bit to order.

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September 06, 2019, 06:49:33 AM
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Good glad I waited a bit to order.

Yeah I got my m20s coming but new bitmain would do something like this.

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September 06, 2019, 09:21:08 AM
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whats price estimates? 3.5k?
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September 06, 2019, 12:40:02 PM
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My guess would  be $3650 based off the price of the S17 53TH and 1 month earlier delivery. Looks like we'll find out on Monday.

https://blog.bitmain.com/en/bitmain-expands-in-demand-antminer-17-series-with-two-new-miners-reveals-specifications-and-selling-times/
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September 06, 2019, 02:43:46 PM
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My guess would  be $3650 based off the price of the S17 53TH and 1 month earlier delivery. Looks like we'll find out on Monday.

https://blog.bitmain.com/en/bitmain-expands-in-demand-antminer-17-series-with-two-new-miners-reveals-specifications-and-selling-times/

Well coins are edging close to 11,000.  If we get a coin push to 11 or 12 over the weekend I could see them wanting close to 4000.

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September 07, 2019, 03:50:27 AM
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gunna be rough with trump tax
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I think over $3k would be too high considering the M20S are under $3k at a slightly higher hash rate.
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September 07, 2019, 06:10:06 PM
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I think over $3k would be too high considering the M20S are under $3k at a slightly higher hash rate.

This is not how you compare gear prices, besides quality and the other obvious factors,there are two major factors you need to consider when making such a comparison.

1-Price per Terahash
2-Watts per Terahash

Now depending on a few factors , power consumption in many cases is the most important factor and based on that, and assuming the S17E does 64th at 2880w i see no reason why it shouldn't be selling for 3.5k or even 4k despite the fact that the M20s does sell for a lot cheaper, those 500w difference are worth a lot to many people , and to be honest 64th at 2880w is a freaking beast, I doubt any other company will get to that efficiency by year end.

Another reason is that to me, bitmain in the mining industry is like Apple in the mobile phone industry, they always get away with selling over priced products just because of their brand name.

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September 07, 2019, 06:24:44 PM
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looked like efficiency was the same? im thinking 30xx watts @45j/th. It helps bitmain that they are a visible company with clear (relatively) processes for their products, quality and efficiency aside.
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September 07, 2019, 10:36:41 PM
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They are trying to pre-empt M20S.
Hopefully, this would mean lower prices.

I looked at the numbers and there is NO way for any of these miners to return more btc than you spent in the first 12 mo, maybe even 18 mo IF your cost is 9-11c/kwh.
They have to be robust enough to work for at least 24 mo, maybe more for you to break even in btc.
Of course, depending on bitcoin $$ price (if it would rise), you MIGHT get $$ profits sooner.
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September 08, 2019, 12:09:14 AM
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yeah  at 68th  you earn 0.001547 btc.  or $16.25 usd.   68th at 45 watts a th = 3060 or 74 kwatts a day.

at 6 cent power that is 4.44 in power   so 16.25-4.44= 11.81 profit      after 300 days 3543 usd
at 5 cent power that is 3.70 in power   so 16.25-3.70= 12.55 profit      after 300 days 3765 usd
at 4 cent power that is 2.96 in power   so 16.25-2.96= 13.29 profit      after 300 days 3987 usd

never mind that these intentionally attack usa mining since they will all be at least 3500 + 966 = 4466 with trump tax.

So I am pretty much shut out of these again.

my 50 50 split deal means 34 th or 8.12 usd a day  so 4466/8.12 = 550 days.  very difficult  for me to want them.

I am looking for small s17 pros  like 40 th but  killer efficiency say 36 watts a th

oh well

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September 08, 2019, 09:02:40 AM
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cryptominerbros list it for $3,199.00, but price will change after relase from Bitmain.

M20s is on sale on whatsminer.net, but only 40 USD under normal price Sad.

In fact Bitmain can´t lower the price than whatsminer.

If tomorrow is a bullish mood, the price is higher than if bitcoin falls extremely low tomorrow.

I cancel my M20s order. Wait for cheap used S17 pro 50/56 TH/s.


Maybe in 2 Months you become 0,5 - 0,7 BTC for this actualy gear price.
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September 08, 2019, 01:38:34 PM
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Does Bitmain usually have a minimum order quantity for first batch runs?

And still no pricing? They come out tomorrow!
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September 08, 2019, 01:44:36 PM
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Not that I'm aware. It's usually more an issue just trying to get an order in at a time like this. I think you have to set up notifications on their twitter to get the updates right away. I imagine pricing will go up a few hours before the sale is supposed to start.

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September 08, 2019, 05:40:11 PM
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Was holding off from s17pro and now it seems to be worth it with this new one coming out and being delivered one month earlier than the s17pro in December; hmmm another blow to people who have preordered...

My worry is: depending on what batch you order will they increase the price?

Or will they be fair and leave all 3 batches (3 days apart) at the same price?
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September 08, 2019, 06:24:44 PM
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This is not how you compare gear prices, besides quality and the other obvious factors,there are two major factors you need to consider when making such a comparison.

1-Price per Terahash
2-Watts per Terahash

Now depending on a few factors , power consumption in many cases is the most important factor and based on that, and assuming the S17E does 64th at 2880w i see no reason why it shouldn't be selling for 3.5k or even 4k despite the fact that the M20s does sell for a lot cheaper, those 500w difference are worth a lot to many people , and to be honest 64th at 2880w is a freaking beast, I doubt any other company will get to that efficiency by year end.

Another reason is that to me, bitmain in the mining industry is like Apple in the mobile phone industry, they always get away with selling over priced products just because of their brand name.

I think my 1 liner resonates with point #1 in your reply.  The M20S has a higher hash rate and a lower price than what we speculated the the S17E price would be.  Is 4TH/s @ ~500 watts worth it?  Probably not for most, but it also hasn’t been reviewed yet either.  So there is a chance that gap can be closed a bit.

I agree with you that it’s a beast with those stats.  Bitmain was able get away with top dollar because nobody was able to get close to them in terms of #1 & #2 in your post.  But I think MicroBT will be a formidable competitor and I think they have demonstrated that with the M10S & M20S.  As long as they remain competitors, we all win.
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September 08, 2019, 11:32:38 PM
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Let's try another way of doing the math

S17E > 45w/th
M20s > 48w/th

3w per TH difference, let's take a medium scale farm with say 1000th , that is 3kwh difference, say you pay 6 cents per kwh , that is  about 130$ a month or 1560$ a year ( not that big of a deal to be honest  Cheesy)

now let's price difference, the M20s 64th sells for 3200$ in China (from resellers) with "early September shipping"  , now let's speculate on what bases would anyone want to pay more for the S17E provided it ships around the same period.

M20s > 47$ per TH
S17e > if 47$ per TH that means it will sell for 3011$ ( unlikely)

let's assume they will sell it for 3500$ , or 54$ per TH , that is 448$ more for 64 th > ((54$-47$) * 64th)  in order to save 64*3w = 192wh , or 8$ per month if you pay 6 cents per kw , so you will need 56 months to ROI the price difference ! that does not make any sense to be honest  Shocked

for those who pay more than just 6 cents per kw, it makes more sense to pay even more than just 3.5k , for large players 3w less per TH is a lot of money saved , if it takes 3 or 6 months to get back the price difference that should not be a problem to most people.

but let's wait and see what price will they ask for.

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September 09, 2019, 12:02:02 AM
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Maybe bitmain is ready to do battle and price it low.  They have done this many other times.

Maybe they sell it for 2500 and undercut all the dec preorders.

They have done this in the past they would sell a shit ton of them if they did this.

If they have a lot of them in stock I think they may surprise with a lower price.

pangolin offers the m20s 68t in ten days for 3950
they offer the m20s in Jan for 2615.

if bitmain  wants to put a hurt on them and offers the s17e  for 2500 in Nov  it would basically  shut down all of pangolin's sales

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September 09, 2019, 01:30:11 AM
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factor in difficulty adjustments and ROI window becomes even wider.  no risk on manufacturers and all on you/us as miners.  BTC halving+next gen gears soon to drive difficulty much higher...don't be suckers, prepare for the coming bloodbath!!
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September 09, 2019, 02:11:02 AM
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Maybe bitmain is ready to do battle and price it low...

I was literally thinking the same, and for some reason, I think that the price for first batch will be somewhere between 3000$-3100$ however, second and third batches in my head are between 2800$ and 2950$. But we shall see how it turns out in around 9 hours.
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what screws it all up is the tariff's though - Bitmain has told me that they can ship from Malaysia but the MOQ is way out of my price range.

I will be most likely hoping to get my hands on T15's from within the US where I dont need to run two damn lines to the PSU - another expense which forces me to either have half the miners or leaves me needing to install more outlets - with only 20 outlets currently I can handle 20 T15/S15 and only 10 T17/S17

If I can find the 15's at a decent enough price it will more than make up for the reduction in hash rate.

now someone please buy my 13 S9's for 3k a piece lol



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what screws it all up is the tariff's though - Bitmain has told me that they can ship from Malaysia but the MOQ is way out of my price range.

I will be most likely hoping to get my hands on T15's from within the US where I dont need to run two damn lines to the PSU - another expense which forces me to either have half the miners or leaves me needing to install more outlets - with only 20 outlets currently I can handle 20 T15/S15 and only 10 T17/S17

If I can find the 15's at a decent enough price it will more than make up for the reduction in hash rate.

now someone please buy my 13 S9's for 3k a piece lol

Group buy! 100 units ain't that bad I'd buy 5 depending on the price.

I would say I would help organize a group buy. But I know the headache would suck and the receiving and reshipping and what not. Would have to tag $150 in machine to receive and reship them. Plus god knows the taxxes owed from the tariff.

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edit: yes a group buy to order from Malaysia would be great but yes a headache to set up and then to have someone escrow as well - Wish I had the cash to buy 100 units up front - would use 10 of em and sell the rest - would be happy to sell at cost and make break even point if i could.



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I wasn't too wrong about prices but I am actually pretty confused with their listings:

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Antminer S17e
Shipping date: 1-10, Nov. 2019
Price:$2784.00

Antminer S17e
Shipping date: 21-31, Dec. 2019
Price:$3293.00

WHAT?!
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well order both sort it out later  ie pay for the cheap one.

I decided to buy 2 t17e's  for 3550 with the shipping

https://btc1.trezor.io/tx/bcdda9dd2120c27e490c4c63cb9e433c791917fc10772a6fa4c06eaf627a8042

https://btc1.trezor.io/address/1Ag9YvxtYoo1D34aKm6BwTug54NJc5aWzo

https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/1Ag9YvxtYoo1D34aKm6BwTug54NJc5aWzo

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I ordered the cheaper one(S17e) as it comes earlier... And it's cheaper Roll Eyes

I found the reason for higher price for December's unit.
It seems as they added something called: "Product Reference Price" and "Actual Transaction Price".

You can read more about it on their page: https://shop.bitmain.com/product/detail?pid=00020190909102622337qeAMQsXc06DB
in tab called "Notes".
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nailed the price w/tariff. Batch 2 looking rough though
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Wow.  Those sold out quick.  Should've set an alarm

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So a new way to hurt the customer. They force a loan to them. Have to give them  credit for finding new and better ways to put it all on the buyer.
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basically.. we will charge you what we think you will pay and if someone else tries to undercut (m21, etc) we will adjust price with coupons.
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Having mined with the t17 s17pro m20s m21s the two plug design is better. So I grabbed max hash by getting 2 t17e for 3550 vs 1 s17e for 2900  I rather have the 106 th hash then the 64th.
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nice! I am envious. I just cannot justify it with the tariff.



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nice! I am envious. I just cannot justify it with the tariff.

with this gear I am looking at 4300 for 106 th. It arrives 60-70 days.  I just paid 2600 for 50 th the t3 50 it was costly. And will take 80 days if it comes by the 15 of sept.
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Also ordered 6 S17e's , 6 T17e's and 6 normal T17-38's. Will be waiting  Smiley

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Well, Bitmain has its prices out now it seems.

https://shop.bitmain.com/

With what I pay with electric in the USA per kWh, even without the 27.6% tariff/import fees, not gonna fly.

Anyway, others on here may have some redress, if/when the USA Tariffs are pulled yet this fall.

Myself, still seems I'm out of mining of any note until probably well into next year, 2020.

Sucks. Them's the breaks.

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with this gear I am looking at 4300 for 106 th. It arrives 60-70 days.  I just paid 2600 for 50 th the t3 50 it was costly. And will take 80 days if it comes by the 15 of sept.

thats right you share cost right? I am not that lucky, though you share profits too. I had to pay $330 tariffs on a 1400 machine, I cannot imagine what it would be on a $3k machine.

Also ordered 6 S17e's , 6 T17e's and 6 normal T17-38's. Will be waiting  Smiley

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what screws it all up is the tariff's though - Bitmain has told me that they can ship from Malaysia but the MOQ is way out of my price range.

I will be most likely hoping to get my hands on T15's from within the US where I dont need to run two damn lines to the PSU - another expense which forces me to either have half the miners or leaves me needing to install more outlets - with only 20 outlets currently I can handle 20 T15/S15 and only 10 T17/S17

If I can find the 15's at a decent enough price it will more than make up for the reduction in hash rate.

now someone please buy my 13 S9's for 3k a piece lol

Malaysia from what I can tell has a VAT see below of 10%?

https://www.avalara.com/vatlive/en/country-guides/asia/malaysia.html

Then add shipping to that from both China and then from Maylasia (maybe both) also, how fast can they flip them out the door to the USA?

make sure it is not by ship! There would be at best IMHO, another 2-week lag to get them. Then of course if to the USA, shipping from the group buy USA location? (Not sure how this works).

Anyway, looks like a real mess to do and/or escrow, IMHO.

With my electric price even direct from Malaysia, it would be a heck of an optimistic stretch, but for others good luck.

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not sure, all I know is the guy told me that they can ship from Malaysia to avoid the tariff but that it has to be a pretty large order. no onesie twosie orders.



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I think the link above puts the VAT for Malaysia at 10%? If lucky 6%? Says something about 'sales tax' as well? No to mention who the hell is shipping this from Malaysia?

If Bitmain, that would be ideal, in that you'd only have the regular 'East Asia' to the USA shipping price. But if the first you have to ship to malaysia..then someone 'trustworthy' dorks about a week or so and then ships it so someone else 'trustworthy' for the group buy in the USA from Maylasia (2.6% import fee) and then finally after maybe another week or two lost in this shipping merry go round...it is shipped to the proper address. Man, I'd hate to escrow this puppy from either end of the chain.

Whatever I'm still out of this, but as an observer, with my 9.5c to 10c kWh electric prices. Sigh!

I'd also be in such a group buy in the onesie or twosie camp anyway Sad

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yes - it was Bitmain who told me they will ship from Malaysia to US for large orders. and it would be direct - no shipping to there and then from there to the US. I have 5 cent electric and still out of it. the tariffs are enough to keep me away.



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I have to say I can't do escrow due to the newer coin tax rules in the states. Moving 100000 or more in coin will just cause me grief.
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Plus it doesn't matter where its shipped from, its where its made that matters. So unless they are actually making the circuit boards and assembling the miners in Malaysia then surely they'd have to declare it as made in China.

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Plus it doesn't matter where its shipped from, its where its made that matters. So unless they are actually making the circuit boards and assembling the miners in Malaysia then surely they'd have to declare it as made in China.

which is yet another reason why it is too much to ask of an escrow.

I can see 100 x 1665 = 166500 x .276 = 45954 in tariffs on the t17e

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... With what I pay with electric in the USA per kWh, even without the 27.6% tariff/import fees, not gonna fly.

Anyway, others on here may have some redress, if/when the USA Tariffs are pulled yet this fall.

Myself, still seems I'm out of mining of any note until probably well into next year, 2020.

Sucks. Them's the breaks.

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I'm in the same boat. Hopefully the tariff bs ends, but I won't hold my breath.
Even without the tariffs, I still need a more efficient miner with my electrical costs. Looks like I'll be waiting.
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Yeah gear is more industrialized. Many 3000 watt units. Costing 2000 usd and up.  This all makes a smaller miner on the edge.

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Plus it doesn't matter where its shipped from, its where its made that matters. So unless they are actually making the circuit boards and assembling the miners in Malaysia then surely they'd have to declare it as made in China.

hmm yea I did not think of that - let me fetch the email I had gotten from them.

here it is, for orders of 200 - 500 miners:



I am actually thinking of getting some of the T17s as they are just under 1200 - can get 3 of them for the price of a S17E.



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Plus it doesn't matter where its shipped from, its where its made that matters. So unless they are actually making the circuit boards and assembling the miners in Malaysia then surely they'd have to declare it as made in China.
Exactly. I've said that many times before here: It is Country of Origin that matters and as a the single most important part of a miner is the completed hash boards that means they must be built outside of China. Not easy to do as there are really not that many PCB assembly houses in other countries that can handle such power and temp dense boards much less make bazillions of them per batch. Just ask IMET (AMT A1 miner days) about the learning curve on working with them...

BM, Canaan, Inno and others have it easy in China since Shenzhen and surrounding areas is packed with such suppliers thanks to the crypto miner boom...

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Exactly. I've said that many times before here: It is Country of Origin that matters and as a the single most important part of a miner is the completed hash boards that means they must be built outside of China. Not easy to do as there are really not that many PCB assembly houses that can handle such power and temp dense boards much less make bazillions of them per batch. Just IMET (AMT A1 miner days) about the learning curve on working with them...

gotcha - wonder why they said that to me then? trying to get me to buy 200 miners? then get slammed with the tariff? lol.



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no, I'd guess they probably need to the MOQ for a (Malaysian) company to make them for BM in a timely fashion. No doubt costs BM more and they don't want to spend that to have a more made to be 'in-stock' from Malaysia.

That said, ja guess is their way to try and force sales (and tariff penalty) to those made in China...

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long shot, but anyone has a coupon that does not plan on using?
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long shot, but anyone has a coupon that does not plan on using?

I wish I had one - Bitmain has not given me one for almost 6 months, even though I have ordered nearly 10 miners this year.

that made me remember - want to see something funny? go to ebay and see how many bitmain coupons there are.... that expired in March.... They still list them, why? hoping people buy without realizing they are expired?



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They probably just forgot to delist those coupons, it is not like they can send you an expired coupon and say oh it's not our problem, when the coupons expire they kind of "vanish" , you can't use them, you can't send them you can only view them on the expired coupons tab.

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I had a buddy with a LOT of coupons. They are all 'expired'. So that route may not be around anymore.

He was dorked and pissed off to say the least. So double-check on the Bitmain site, they may just 'wandered off' to 'dead coupon land' or something.

I'd check but have not bothered with the KYC stuff in that nothing has been available that makes sense in any way from Bitmain since that was added to their site.

yep, it has been that 'lean' indeed, the USA tariff was just driving a stake through my heart of the already dead mining dreams, due already to price and difficulty. Sad

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I had a buddy with a LOT of coupons. They are all 'expired'. So that route may not be around anymore.

I have been using ,buying and selling bitmain coupons for a long enough time to understand how this coupon game operates, but without having to go into a lot of explanations, as long as bitmain does not have a ton of gears sitting around, there will be no coupons circulating around, so if you want to use coupons to buy bitmain gears you got to wait for the next bear market which may take another year or two to start.

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The Antminer S17e and T17e will be released in three batches and will be available for sale on Bitmain’s official website according to the following timings:

1st Batch:

Selling Time: 09 September 2019, 19:00 GMT+8

Delivery Time: 01- 10 November 2019

2nd Batch:

Selling Time: 10 September 2019, 19:00 GMT+8

Delivery Time: 11-20 November 2019

3rd Batch:

Selling Time: 11 September 2019, 19:00 GMT+8

Delivery Time: 21-30 November 2019


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Plus it doesn't matter where its shipped from, its where its made that matters. So unless they are actually making the circuit boards and assembling the miners in Malaysia then surely they'd have to declare it as made in China.

It's where it's assembled. They assemble them in Malaysia.

Think of it like care. Parts coming from everywhere just like parts on the miner. Where it is built is where it is from. (granted I know like VW will assemble in mexico but yeah)

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The Antminer S17e and T17e will be released in three batches and will be available for sale on Bitmain’s official website according to the following timings...

Thanks for the heads-up.

My email showed up overnight.
And, began refreshing the Bitmain page at 7am my time, and the S17e's came available again.

So I placed my first ever order with them, and completed my first ever payment for an item with btc.
Broke that cherry.

Now, my only remaining question is...... how do I handle the import/customs issue?  Ive never done that before, but have til Nov to figure it out.  I know I'll have to drop another $700 tariff fee. But what do I do from here for the customs part?
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The shipping company should be contacting you concerning that - both times I had to pay, I was contacted by DHL - both times were for about 300 worth of fees. The first one was on about 8k worth of miners and the second time was for one miner that was 1400.

the rest of the miners I bought were under 1k each and I paid no fees for those. yet...

still debating on whether to order another T17 for 1145, shipped will be about 1300 and with tariff it will be close to 1650. and for a unit that wont be here till December.



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The shipping company should be contacting you concerning that - both times I had to pay, I was contacted by DHL - both times were for about 300 worth of fees. The first one was on about 8k worth of miners and the second time was for one miner that was 1400.

the rest of the miners I bought were under 1k each and I paid no fees for those. yet...

still debating on whether to order another T17 for 1145, shipped will be about 1300 and with tariff it will be close to 1650. and for a unit that wont be here till December.

Thank you.

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btw - what did you end up ordering?



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I got one S17e for Nov shipment.

Although I like the price of the T17's, I'm trying to maximize TH for my home set-up, at the best efficiency, in the least number of units.

My physical set-up can handle 3 units in regards to power supply and heat exhaust.  To run any more than 3 units, I'd have to do more electrical work, adding a sub panel, etc... and getting exhaust ducts out is kind of a pain, so really dont want to do any more.

And I should be able to sell my current units on eBay for the same price I pay for a new one from Bitmain.
Once this arrives and I sell the pro-50, I'll look at swapping out the next unit.

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gotcha. Yea, my limit is 20 outlets so 10 of the double plugs or 20 singles or a mix - which is what I have now.  what all are you selling? just the pro50? price?



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Not 100% sure yet.  I also ordered a unit from Varispin Tech to try out.  48-53Th @3000w.  That should arrive this month.  Wasn't thrilled with the efficiency, but it was better than two s9's, and at the time of order, it was easier to buy than anything on eBay (scams), (and I didnt have enough btc in my wallet to order from Bitmain yet).

In short, I have 6plugs.   Currently running one s17 56th, one s17 pro 50, and one s9i.
On order, one Varispin Starlight miner (sept), one S17e (nov).

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Was looking at the t17 38th model. It is still available may get it later today.
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Was looking at the t17 38th model. It is still available may get it later today.

I am waiting on some ebay auctions on my current miners - if they sell then I will buy one or two T17's - if they are still available.



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Well 2 t17e cost 3194  plus  shipping and trump tax  will do 106th

https://shop.bitmain.com/product/detail?pid=000201909090947096086cx515TP0659

3 t17 cost 3435 plus shipping and trump tax will do 114th

https://shop.bitmain.com/product/detail?pid=00020190911152351284Iy546I9c063C

either deal arrives nov 11-20

of course  3 s9k  cost 789 plus shipping no trump tax and do 42th

https://shop.bitmain.com/product/detail?pid=00020190911155155939FluJlFo406C8

if you and two friends order a total of 9 s9k's    you get   126th  in 2 weeks or so.  cost is 2367  plus shipping  no trump tax if 3 orders to 3 different addresses

very interesting set of choices to make here.

I will wait to get some gear in before I order again.   my inno comes in a day  my s9k's ship in 9 days.    that is 50 + 54 = 104.

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if you need a 3rd address let me know, I dont mind helping ya out if you go that route.



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Do you think the T17 38Th/s for 1145USD is a good price?
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Do you think the T17 38Th/s for 1145USD is a good price?

I think it is.  Considering they sell for $3000-4000 on eBay or Amazon.
Efficiency is not quite as good as an S17, but the ROI would be quicker.

If you have the physical set-up for them (enough power, exhaust set-up), you can buy 2 T17's for 80 TH, for less than one S17 at 60-64TH

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Do you think the T17 38Th/s for 1145USD is a good price?

It is a good price for some people, but not for others. Depends on what you pay for power, how much risk you can tolerate, what you think price and difficulty are going to do in the next year, ..... etc.
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Also you can only buy 2 from any one batch unless you can get someone else to get another two etc etc

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without decent price increase return will be longer than the anticipated halvening
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it is a risky and high priced item. But s9 gear will drop off like mad.  So more efficient gear can be good.
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it is a risky and high priced item. But s9 gear will drop off like mad.  So more efficient gear can be good.

With presumable close to zero electricity cost from the solar, wouldn't the lowest cost per th/s be the best idea?
S9 could be had on the cheap these days...
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becomes a density issue at a certain point in that case
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With presumable close to zero electricity cost from the solar, wouldn't the lowest cost per th/s be the best idea?
S9 could be had on the cheap these days...

You need to ROI on your solar array as well as your miners, so not really. Even at 1$ per watt for an array (which is unrealistically low even for huge scale), you'd need to spend around 10K to power each s9. With diff rising, it may take longer than the 25 year life of the solar panels to ROI with s9s.
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With presumable close to zero electricity cost from the solar, wouldn't the lowest cost per th/s be the best idea?
S9 could be had on the cheap these days...

No not all s9  you would need  s9 and s17 pro.  As time goes on lower the s9 from 13th to 10th and add an s17 pro.

5 s9         = 70th and use 7kwatts

1 s17 pro = 50th and use 2.1kwatts

9.1kwatts

120th earns 120 x 0.00002022 or 0.002426 a day in 100 days that is 0.2426 btc or 2426 usd so buy an s17pro for dec.

drop the 5 s9s to 50th at 4.5kwatts
the 2s17 do 106th at       4.2kwatts

you are at  8.7kwatts  and you grew from 120th to 156th

to do this  you need  say 9 x 24 = 220kwatt system.

and a grid tie   a 220 kwatt system =  460-500 thousand dollars

but and the but is huge  the right states  give big incentives  and the 500 thousand is under 200000.

so you pay 200000 and the original gear for mining is  5 s9's = 2000 and 1 s17 = 3000 only 5000 in mining gear.

you allowed a 220kwatt setup  on your roof  because you created a demand with only 5k in gear.

and you have builtin ability to keep growing the gear at a cost of next to zero.

you need a property that can do 700 panels  you need  to be able to use the tax credits.  Ie  you make money at something else.

If  you can do that solar makes sense.

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Bitmain just released 64 Th at 2200 watts shipped in 3 days after payment. Once again, Bitmain is on a major cash grab. Diff jumps are going vertical. By today's metrics this offering gets you ROI by halvening. But...no way that holds. These will be 16 months minimum ROI. Bitmain is at it again. wait for newbs to go broke, then by their gear. That's what I've done the last three cycles. NEVER buy these hype/cycle peaks. People laughed when I predicted that you could buy S9I 14 th for $200.00. I bought 100's of them from $369.00 down to $225.00. My new prediction....wait and buy S17's for $500.00 new in the box post halvening. You heard it here first. $10,000,00 BTC will be the new $3,000.00 BTC.
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Bitmain just released 64 Th at 2200 watts shipped in 3 days after payment. Once again, Bitmain is on a major cash grab. Diff jumps are going vertical. By today's metrics this offering gets you ROI by halvening. But...no way that holds. These will be 16 months minimum ROI. Bitmain is at it again. wait for newbs to go broke, then by their gear. That's what I've done the last three cycles. NEVER buy these hype/cycle peaks. People laughed when I predicted that you could buy S9I 14 th for $200.00. I bought 100's of them from $369.00 down to $225.00. My new prediction....wait and buy S17's for $500.00 new in the box post halvening. You heard it here first. $10,000,00 BTC will be the new $3,000.00 BTC.

Where exactly did you see them releasing that? I've been checking both English and Chinese page every hour for a few days now and nothing is indicating that that your statement is true, as the only S17e 64TH/s that is available now is shipping 21-31 December(3293$) and last available(before that previously noted date) was 21-30 November(2683$).
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Bitmain just released 64 Th at 2200 watts shipped in 3 days after payment. Once again, Bitmain is on a major cash grab. Diff jumps are going vertical. By today's metrics this offering gets you ROI by halvening. But...no way that holds. These will be 16 months minimum ROI. Bitmain is at it again. wait for newbs to go broke, then by their gear. That's what I've done the last three cycles. NEVER buy these hype/cycle peaks. People laughed when I predicted that you could buy S9I 14 th for $200.00. I bought 100's of them from $369.00 down to $225.00. My new prediction....wait and buy S17's for $500.00 new in the box post halvening. You heard it here first. $10,000,00 BTC will be the new $3,000.00 BTC.

If you are referring to the email from 'bitmain team' (actualy: kanormoched@gmail.com)that hyperlinks to 'bitmain-store.org'
i would be very suspicious. they have made a very good copy of the bitmain store.
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Bitmain just released 64 Th at 2200 watts shipped in 3 days after payment. Once again, Bitmain is on a major cash grab. Diff jumps are going vertical. By today's metrics this offering gets you ROI by halvening. But...no way that holds. These will be 16 months minimum ROI. Bitmain is at it again. wait for newbs to go broke, then by their gear. That's what I've done the last three cycles. NEVER buy these hype/cycle peaks. People laughed when I predicted that you could buy S9I 14 th for $200.00. I bought 100's of them from $369.00 down to $225.00. My new prediction....wait and buy S17's for $500.00 new in the box post halvening. You heard it here first. $10,000,00 BTC will be the new $3,000.00 BTC.

I think the same.

But if you want to change your setup i think difficult.

One S17 56T are equal to 4xS9 14T.

In europe you become today maybe $450 for one S9i/j. If BTC price drops to $3.000, you become maybe $50 for one S9i/j.
You lost 4x $400= $1.600, become $200 for four S9 and must buy one S17 in this time for $500.

-  1.600
+ 200
-  500
= -$2.300.

So if you now sell 4 S9´s for $450 you can pay for one S17 max. $2.300.

This math with energy costs, you drive better with one S17.
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If you are referring to the email from 'bitmain team' (actualy: kanormoched@gmail.com)that hyperlinks to 'bitmain-store.org'
i would be very suspicious. they have made a very good copy of the bitmain store.

You are absolutely correct! Almost an exact clone of the main site. I have them up now side by side. Unbelievable. Here's the pirate site. h**ps://bitmain-store[dot]org/shop/00020180710164901333EGb4bPcY0681aa.html

They also ONLY accept LTC, BCH, BTC while stating they take USD wire transfer. Biggest clue overall is that you are buying an APW7 PSU along with the "unit". Even though te new units have their own built in. Thanks for the heads up!
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Please try to avoid giving fake info if your source is not valid and checked. Also, feel free to report such fake websites to this forum thread:
Fake Bitmain Antminer websites (updated 16.07.2019)

Also, you are correct that a big clue of it being fake is APW7 PSU bundle with S17e. However, there are a lot more clue before that. Firstly, website is missing a lot of UI features. Secondly, it is completely and poorly copied version of original website. Thirdly, you can login to their website with any mail and password.

So next time please refer to their one and only website: Bitmain
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This machine, if it weren't for the price, would be very well worth it, but with the price right now even with 2c electricity (which some of us have). It wouldn't even ROI in terms of Bitcoin till well after the halvening
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S17e on bitmain at a bargain price of 2544

https://shop.bitmain.com/product/detail?pid=00020190917150939672JFWahe97068C


it is a reference price ie can only go lower when it sells quote is from link above.

"1. The product price indicated on this page (hereinafter referred to as the “Product Reference Price”) is only the reference price. The actual transaction price of the product (hereinafter referred to as the “Actual Transaction Price”) is determined by us according to the market conditions before the delivery of the product. We promise that the Actual Transaction Price of the product does not exceed the Product Reference Price."

It is a good deal?

they also are doing the s17pro  at 2107

https://shop.bitmain.com/product/detail?pid=000201909171505196803x1hG7pp06A2


is this a way to cut whatsminer's to ribbons?

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Not sure if its a good deal or not, its a lot of money to tie up till December, but then people seem to be happy doing it, the November batches sold out pretty quickly.

One thing though, I think those ones are just normal S17's @45W/T because I thought the Pro's are like 39W/T

Its sort of in the middle compared to the whatsminers, compared to the M20S its better power usage by 3W/T and cheaper, but its slower by 15TH

And compared to the M20 its still better power usage and its more expensive, but its faster by 8TH

M20S - 68TH @ 48W/TH - $2589
S17  - 53TH @ 45W/TH - $2107
M20  - 45TH @ 48W/TH - $1830

What it does do is spank the Inno T3-50T which is slightly (3TH) slower and uses 62W/TH at around the same price. But then the Inno is avail now, not in 3 months.

Of course the surprise outsider is the Avalon 1066 which is the same speed as the Inno, uses 63W/TH, costs $400 or so less than both. And is avail in Nov.

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well I have staggered orders

inno for aug------------50t came on sept 12th
bitmain for sept--------56th due sept 20-30
avalon for oct-----------106th due oct
bitmain for nov--------- 106th due nov

I am not sure I need to add for dec.

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what's the price limit to avoid tariff?



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what's the price limit to avoid tariff?

These are trump tax 800 is the cut off.

I will soon see this as my s9 order is 798 usd

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It would be nice if they gave us a formula for how they'd calculate the price. At least what circumstances would lead to a lower price. If a competitor releases a 45W/TH miner at a lower price for Dec. delivery, will the match it?
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Well the reference price is a new idea.

Last week they had a stupid high price 3200 or 3300 for it.

The 2544 is much better for the s17e

2544/64 = 39.75

2107/53 = 39.75.  S17.

Both are good numbers it is the lessor efficient model.

But this is an insurance policy for a miner.

Buy an s17 for 2107. The price will not go up.

But if conditions change they will issue a coupon to make up for it.

So if the m20 is dropping and lots of other gear is dropping in price.

You may get a four or five hundred dollar coupon for more gear.

No one else is offering this preorder insurance.

I see it as a direct attack on Whatsminer gear. Since most of the gear is priced out to Jan.
I also see it as an attack against the innosilicon t3 50t which is now promised to ship under 8 days.

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These are trump tax 800 is the cut off.

I will soon see this as my s9 order is 798 usd

thanks. wasnt sure if it was 800 or 1000



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Ordering the s17 for dec may be smart to do if trump taxes are ended it becomes a very good deal to buy one.

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yea. debating it. still in the air if I just ride out what I have until after the halving. I am super intrigued to see what happens when rewards are slashed - will huge farms shut off? will the difficulty drop back under 10? or even lower? how much will transaction fees increase? if they go too high, I can see that as a huge turn off for people trading --- all again depending on how the price climbs as well.



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Ordering the s17 for dec may be smart to do if trump taxes are ended it becomes a very good deal to buy one.

I'm not seeing Trump taxes going away before the election. China is trying to run out the clock. In my opinion, more chance of tariffs going up by December.
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I'm not seeing Trump taxes going away before the election. China is trying to run out the clock. In my opinion, more chance of tariffs going up by December.

Maybe it is possible you are correct.

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Well the reference price is a new idea...

microbt cant beat that...if they could they would...inno is and has always been in a "outfielder" position Wink
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I just got this for my s9k order totally unexpected  the price war has started!

Quote from: Bitmain
Actual Transaction Price of Antminer S9k-13.5TH/s
Sep 18 at 7:21 AM

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To: phil... @ yahoo.com
Dear customer,
Thank you very much for your purchase of our products.  
You are receiving this email to inform you that we will issue the Actual Transaction Price of Antminer S9k-13.5TH/s(Shipping date: 20-30, Sep. 2019)
 
Item No.
Product Reference Price
Actual Transaction Price
Antminer S9k-13.5T
310USD
253USD
 
1. If the Actual Transaction Price of the product is lower than the Product Reference Price, the remaining amount will be generated in your account.
You may use the remaining amount to purchase additional products at the Actual Transaction Price, or you may use the remaining amount to purchase
other products shown on the website that are available for purchasing.
2. If the actual price of our same product is lower than the Actual Transaction Price within 10 natural days after the delivery of the products (i.e., delivering to the carrier)
(hereinafter referred to as the “Insured period”), we will calculate the difference of the Actual Transaction Price and the lowest actual price during the Insured Period,
and issue the coupons of the same amount as the difference to you. The usage rules of coupons are subject to the instructions upon coupons issuance.

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and what would they do if the transaction price was higher? make you pay more?

also - does anyone have any valid coupons even? I used to get them by the dozens for prior orders but I have made 4 or 5 orders now and have received none.



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You can not exceed the price given

so in the case of the s17e on sale right now:

https://shop.bitmain.com/product/detail?pid=00020190917150939672JFWahe97068C   due to ship dec 11-20

the reference price of 2544 is the most you can pay

if prices drop before  it ships they give a coupon

Ie if it is   only 2000 on dec 1  you get a 544 coupon

compare this to the m20s  https://pangolinminer.com/product/whatsminer-m20-series/

2510  jan 1 - jan 15

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if prices drop before  it ships they give a coupon

You have to also keep in mind that the real value of the coupon is never 100%, depending on the overall market conditions at the time of issuing the coupon ( gear price, bitcoin price, difficulty, buyers liquidity etc..) those coupons could be worth as low as 10% of their face value.

in other words, let's say you pay 1529$ for the T17e Dec batch, and then price drops to 1029$ , you get a 500$ coupon, so it may seem like you have paid only 1029$ but in reality if you want to sell that coupon, you may only get an offer of say 100$ because that is what the coupon market price is (hypothetically) , so in reality you paid 1429$ and not 1029$ because if you were to buy the coupon for 100$ the miner would cost you 1029$+100$ = 1129$ which means you paid 300$ more for the same gear.

While there is no guarantee about the coupon actual values by then, but sure thing it's never 100%, throughout bitmain coupon history the value goes from 10% to 40% , it only goes pass 40% in very rare scenarios, in fact in many cases nobody wants those coupons, I have personally had more than 200 coupons expired in my account, i know people who had a much larger number of expired coupons, simply because at some point of time nobody wants to pay a dime for the coupon, in fact they wouldn't want them for free neither.

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Depends on your building goals.  I have a lot of  power left to fill.  But if you don't have much room to expand  this deal  is not so good.

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I may wait and see what coupons people get and buy some coupons and get some gear then.



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I may wait and see what coupons people get and buy some coupons and get some gear then.

Might be too late Smiley

Anyone notice, there are T17E and T17-38 are live for 1st Dec if you are interested.

Looks like limit of 2 per customer per batch

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maybe but if the prices drop AND I can snag a coupon, then it will be even a better deal (that being said, I am sitting here with 2 T17's in my cart right now....)



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I am waiting until I get the coupons from my s9k's  2 s9k's 310 - 253 =57 bucks     so I should get 57 + 57 = 114  If I don't get that  I don't buy.

So Far I do not see that.

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They mentioned that coupons will issued before 18th sep, but nothing showed up yet, maybe they mean 2020? Anyhow keep in mind that you won't get to use two coupons for one miner, so you won't get a114$ coupon, it may make more sense to buy a 500$ coupon than using your own coupons if you plan on buying T17,S17,T17e or S17e.

Anyhow the coupons should show up soon, i will keep you guys updated with their prices.

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All good points, but how good is deal if btc goes to 12k, 14k or higher before December?  Kinda seems like Bitmain wants us to buy their product now.
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This is flat out an attack on the whatsminer m20s

now  does bitmain know something we don't know?

Huh I have zero idea.

if coins go up  this deal  is still better if you are using bank transfer or coin purchased to buy this gear.

I am still waiting for a coupon on my s9k gear.

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Hi guys,

So I could not think where else to put this but reading about the S17e and T17e on a Chinese website:

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It is reported that the standard calculation power of S17e is 64TH/S, the energy efficiency ratio is 45J/T, the standard calculation power of T17e is 53TH/S, and the energy efficiency ratio is 55J/T. With high computing power, low power consumption, strong stability and high cost performance, the S17e and T17e are on the market. According to official website data, the ant mining machine S17e is only 1 minute from the time of sale to sale.

*Sorry for translation by google, and if there is better translated info but it's just a quick question..

I used to get the impression, and I think I have read, that the T9 model was like the more reliable version of the S9 model. It's cheaper, and lesser in every way but somehow I got the impression, and maybe I did not read but somewhere along the way made up, that the T model is the more reliable miner. Reliable in the sense, and only this sense, that it does not break as much and is longer-lasting if not necessarily more hardy.

Reading this section in Chinese it just strikes me, as someone who may not understand the process particularly well, that the T model is just a weaker version of the S model as a result of something on the assembly line. I'm suggesting that the T model is basically just as reliable but it is in some way a model made from the less desirable cuts from wafers. Could there be in any thing resembling the truth in this or am I completely off the mark? I've not paid attention to mining for two months and I've forgotten a lot it seems.

Long story short: What is the fundamental difference between the T and S series?
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I think you pretty much got the difference - it will be slightly slower but will have a lower efficiency as well. That said, all my 15's and 17's are T versions. For me, the small difference in efficiency does not make up for the price difference when the prices are 50% higher for the S versions.

My goal is to increase my hash rate but to also make ROI as quickly as I can. The extra efficiency do not always make for a faster ROI when the price is higher beyond a certain point. AT least that is how I justify whether I buy the T version or the S version.



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Back in the day T-9 adverts said it does not break and is reliable.

t-15
t-17 don't say that.

I have

1 t-17
1 t-15
1 s-15
1 s-17 pro

In a world of magic  where everything is according to phil  I would only have s-17 pro's  100 of them  would fill the power we have

200 would fill us  if we max the power to 400kwatts

my s 17 pros does 36 watts on low speed  nothing touches that  better yet  1440 watts I use a y spilt power cord made for 14 amps  and it is an amazing unit.

But thr price of it is a big factor.

which is why my next order is 2 t17e's  for 3300  vs 2 s17e's for 5100+

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ahh - I need to look into that Y splitter - I could run 20 of the 17's vs 10 of them, as I am running power wires from two outlets. I installed a switch that shuts both on/off at the same time and they are the same circuit so if the breaker blows there is no issue with powering one and not the other  but the splitter would allow me to run quite a few more.



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Just be careful with your calculations.  Although you can double the units with the Y splitter, you'll also double the amps pulled on the electrical circuit.  And depending on wire gauge of that circuit, could be an issue.
In my case, I'm maxed on circuit amperage for the circuits I have run.  To expand my operation would require running a few more circuits, which will require a lot more breaker box work.

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S17  53th pro pull 2250. So two do 4500 which is easy peasy for a 30 amp circuit.  Easy way is circuit to a pair of l6 30r  then a l6 30p to c19 cable then a c20 to y c13  it does a pair of t17 or s17   but I would not try a s17e with a s17 pro as that would be 5500 watts.
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my circuits are 30 amps currently with 4 outlets on each circuit so 4 might be too much maybe 2 17's and 2 s9's Smiley



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Also need to know what gauge wire runs those circuits.  Some people don't always wire to code. (Me for example). 

I only have an 8' run from the breaker box, which eases resistance, so i was able to run 12ga wire which I had laying around, to 3 outlets per circuit, two circuits.   So I can pull a constant 16amps per circuit safely, with no worries, and still be 'technically ok' to 20a.   So I can run 3 units.  Anymore and my wire run the risk of glowing.

But, knowing we have a Y-plug available, if I run more circuits in the future, I can wire less outlets to a circuit. And that's where I get my fingers chewed up.

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Also need to know what gauge wire runs those circuits.  Some people don't always wire to code. (Me for example). 

I only have an 8' run from the breaker box, which eases resistance, so i was able to run 12ga wire which I had laying around, to 3 outlets per circuit, two circuits.   So I can pull a constant 16amps per circuit safely, with no worries, and still be 'technically ok' to 20a.   So I can run 3 units.  Anymore and my wire run the risk of glowing.

But, knowing we have a Y-plug available, if I run more circuits in the future, I can wire less outlets to a circuit. And that's where I get my fingers chewed up.

without pulling the paperwork to verify and going off of memory, I would have to say the wire is 10 gauge



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Iirc, 10ga is good for up to 30A, and they recommend only running a steady load of 80% of max capable amps...  so you'd be good for 24A steady load on that entire circuit.

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so yea, 2 T17's per circuit then right? iirc T17's are right around 10 amp's each.



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yep

let me find links
this meets  most codes  and you do not need pdu's

1x  30 amp circuit breaker
https://www.amazon.com/Q230-30-Amp-Double-Circuit-Breaker/dp/B00002N5HJ/

use 10 gauge  wire to the receptacles

two receptacles
https://www.amazon.com/EATON-L630R-Recpt-Single-Black/dp/B00062BJG6/

two extensions
https://www.ebay.com/itm/L6-30P-to-C19-Molded-Power-Cord-10ft-220V-250V-30A-Ships-Free/202748227610?

two splitters
https://www.amazon.com/IEC-C20-C13-Splitter-Cord/dp/B07J6S348C/

two t17's

https://shop.bitmain.com/product/detail?pid=00020190918155345657Yn1i4Xvb06CC

that  should have you at 4400 to 4600 watts  easy peasy only 18-20 amps

now  you could do

1 t17e  and 1s9   that is also about   3100 + 1300 = 4400

or 1 s17e  on normal speed  and 1 s17 pro on low speed   3000 + 1430  and 4430 watts gives you  105th

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I am currently running several S17 56TH on 208V. I have randomly Amp Clamped over 20 of them at the lead wire coming from the Breaker. These units are pulling consistently 12 Amps. We all used to easily get away with using 12 gauge wire, particularly in our receptacle;e pigtails. ( so much easier to make them up ) I am rethinking this part of my grid build outs now. These new units are consistently into the double digit amperage's. I believe that 12 gauge COPPER wire can support these loads but due to the constant draw aspect of our game, it's a bit of a game of Russian Roulette as to when your wires heat up, and melt their clothing. IMHO, it's not worth the risk to save some sore fingers from twisting 10g to 10g during rig ups. 2 S17's on one 30amp Breaker gets you right at 24amps +/-. Perfectly at the 80% threshold. Run that on 10 gauge and you'll avoid that awful smell of burning electrical components. Oh....and also burning buildings.  Wink ( side note; When I amp clamp th T17 38 th they always come in under 10 amps. Again, running 3ph, 208V )
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I am currently running several S17 56TH on 208V. I have randomly Amp Clamped over 20 of them at the lead wire coming from the Breaker. These units are pulling consistently 12 Amps. We all used to easily get away with using 12 gauge wire, particularly in our receptacle;e pigtails. ( so much easier to make them up ) I am rethinking this part of my grid build outs now. These new units are consistently into the double digit amperage's. I believe that 12 gauge COPPER wire can support these loads but due to the constant draw aspect of our game, it's a bit of a game of Russian Roulette as to when your wires heat up, and melt their clothing. IMHO, it's not worth the risk to save some sore fingers from twisting 10g to 10g during rig ups. 2 S17's on one 30amp Breaker gets you right at 24amps +/-. Perfectly at the 80% threshold. Run that on 10 gauge and you'll avoid that awful smell of burning electrical components. Oh....and also burning buildings.  Wink ( side note; When I amp clamp th T17 38 th they always come in under 10 amps. Again, running 3ph, 208V )

Yeah I have only the one 53t pro  which pulls 2225 watts  so 2225/208 = 10.7 amps

but we run around 227 volts so 2225/227 = 9.8 amps.

All my 30 amp circuits to l6-30r are 10 gauge under 6 foot runs.  So they can do 5000 watts  5000/208 = 24.04 amps.

every once in a while  we shift to a low leg  and volts drop as low as 187  fucks up everything.

 I am working with power company as to why it happens.

With us gear drops out and comes back since the low volts do not last.

the danger for a steady draw setup is if the low volts lasts for hours

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My set up is more recent - mar 2018 so all the wiring even the receptacles are fully 10gauge ao i will be ok with that



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I'm also kind of dancing a fine line.  I had a 250' roll of 12/3 on hand already, so I wanted to use that rather than spend more money on more wire.
My run is only maybe 10-12'.

12ga is safe up to 20A, but they recommend only using 80% of that capacity. So 16A.
I ran two circuits, 3 outlets per circuit.

Per Bitmain site, the S17 56th (pro-53 a little less) uses 2520 watts in normal mode.  2520 watts at 240v is 10.5A. So, 5.25A per cord.

So, in my case, i can run 3 S17's, plugging into those 6 outlets, putting 15.75A thru each circuit.

I'm running out of space in my breaker box at this point, so if I decide to add more miners, I either have to wire up a sub-panel for miners, or consolidate some of the 15A 120v circuits with tandem breakers.

BUT, now I ordered the S17e, think we're looking at 2880w (12A)....... I might be swapping out to 10ga wire.

Currently running (1) S17 56th, (1) S17 Pro 50th, and (1) S9i....   when the S17e arrives in November, the S9 will be sold on eBay.
Depending how the near future plays out, I'm considering expanding a bit and running up to (5) S17's

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I have 400 amp service coming in - 200 to the house and 200 to the miners sub panel



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Yeah I have only the one 53t pro  which pulls 2225 watts  so 2225/208 = 10.7 amps

but we run around 227 volts so 2225/227 = 9.8 amps.

All my 30 amp circuits to l6-30r are 10 gauge under 6 foot runs.  So they can do 5000 watts  5000/208 = 24.04 amps.

every once in a while  we shift to a low leg  and volts drop as low as 187  fucks up everything.

 I am working with power company as to why it happens.

With us gear drops out and comes back since the low volts do not last.

the danger for a steady draw setup is if the low volts lasts for hours

Are these drops possibly due to Power Company changeover from one transformer to another? In one of my locations,  I'm pulling 3MW off a residential substation, but I'm the only "commercial entity" drawing from that portion of the grid, I've been lucky to have very steady supply flow on the power company side. I know some residential grids can have decent size variances on their supply side. In my other location I'm pulling 4 MW's off the HV lines at through a 3500 KVA Transformer to 480V and stepping it down into containers to 3 phase 208. So far I've had very good results in my container build outs. 480V down to 208V into 10 gauge runs on 400 amp panels loaded with 30 amp breakers. Very stable so far.
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I'm suggesting that the T model is basically just as reliable but it is in some way a model made from the less desirable cuts from wafers. Could there be in any thing resembling the truth in this or am I completely off the mark? I've not paid attention to mining for two months and I've forgotten a lot it seems.

Long story short: What is the fundamental difference between the T and S series?

Hi guys, thanks for the replies. I was wondering if anyone had any remarks on the much more wildly speculative part of my post. Whether it works out that the T model is just a model made in lesser quantities from the mishandled/malformed parts? Surely there are waste/scrap parts from making an S model that are still somewhat valuable? Bitmain is too 'insert adjective depending on your opinion of bitmain' to throw away?
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I don't know enough about Chip Technology to comment intelligently on this but I do own a lot of "T" models and have first hand experience with them. I see that BM is constantly tweaking and fiddling with the 7nm density chip sets, and finding higher and better efficiency levels. While small variances to be sure, there are still notable differences. I find the "T" versus the "S" designation to be analogous to the high end car manufacturers, giving different badges to their performance and luxury lines. Porsche for Example an "S" model of any platform usually indicates a higher performance characteristic. From my experience, the "T" models are showing better reliability because they aren't running at the proverbial "redline". I feel that the S17 56 and or 64 TH units are running at the red line. Horsepower  sacrifices reliability in most engineering applications. Again, just a guess based on my experience, but I will say this. My T15's, T17's are the most reliable ASIC miners I've dealt with since the S-9's. I've had ZERO issues with them. I have constant RMA's and failed boards from the less robust S grouping. Again, just one person's experience. Others may see the opposite.
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pretty sure the "T" is lower quality silicon vs the "S". Either that or its 7nm vs 7nm+ of newer processes.
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I can say from experience that running 2 S17s on a 32amp circuit is a pretty bad ordeal.

If you really wanna go at it long term, 1 dedicated 16amp breaker for each machine is a far better choice. However, it might need to be retooled from whatever you are running before.

I used to run 4000W per each phase over a 24amp circuit. A headache to switch them all for sure.
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Did anyone notice that Jihan Wu said on WDMC that in S17e they used revised 16nm asics? That can't be true I guess. Maybe he meant to refer to S9se which would have made more sense. Any ideas?
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Did anyone notice that Jihan Wu said on WDMC that in S17e they used revised 16nm asics? That can't be true I guess. Maybe he meant to refer to S9se which would have made more sense. Any ideas?

Most likely a misspoken sentence.  The S17e has a 45 watts a th rating.

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I guess so, but made me nervous at first because he said we will do the same with S17 and ifthat would happen all those innosilicons and avalons would become pumpkins (not that they're doing very well now though)
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I guess so, but made me nervous at first because he said we will do the same with S17 and ifthat would happen all those innosilicons and avalons would become pumpkins (not that they're doing very well now though)

s17 pro can do 36 watts a th and 43th nothing touches this.

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s17 pro can do 36 watts a th and 43th nothing touches this.

If I could I would only run these units.
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If I could I would only run these units.

Yeah in a world of phil gets his way

I would have 200 of them.

Hell 2000 of them.

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Has one received any tracking info? have they started sending shipments out yet? I know orders went live at 7am eastern time I placed mine at 7:06
I know its Nov1-Nov10 was hoping that 6 min didn't set me back 8-10 days lol based on their first placed order first shipped system.
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Has one received any tracking info? have they started sending shipments out yet? I know orders went live at 7am eastern time I placed mine at 7:06
I know its Nov1-Nov10 was hoping that 6 min didn't set me back 8-10 days lol based on their first placed order first shipped system.
or is it a general delay with these S17Es

No  they have yet to ship my t17e's ordered in sept  for 1-10 nov .

most likely these will start shipping on thursday or friday  7 or 8.

I am not a bitmain fan.  But they have been very good at being on time this year.

They have not been very good with coupon distribution they still owe me 2x 57 coupons and they owe my partner 2x 57 coupons.

Which is a shame as we would buy more gear with those coupons.

They  have also lacked clarity with location of shipments. IE  if the gear is assembled in and ships from Malaysia it saves USA buyers 25% in tax.

So they are batting 1 for 3   ie> on time they are good.

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Im hoping to get more coupons as well, and if so ill buy more stuff.
Let me know if your shipments ships this week if you don't mind? Ill do the same if you want.
Cant see that order being far behind since it was made and paid for 6 min into the launch

all my s17pros have shipped from China -Hong Kong- USA(Cincinnati)- Canada (Hamilton)
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I have one coupon for $150 - I plan on using it to order one more - not sure if it will be a T17 or S17 - but I will order one more Smiley



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I hope they have a sale on ones day
its a Chinese sale on 1111 (November 11)
maybe wishful thinking
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I hope they have a sale on ones day
its a Chinese sale on 1111 (November 11)
maybe wishful thinking

bitmain has lowered prices but halted sales.

not sure when the gear will open again.

s17pro  53th.  is 1999.    7 day shipping
t17      42th   is 1052.    7 day shipping
s17+.   73th. is 2111.  dec 21-31 shipping
s17e.    60th. is 1735.   dec 21-31 shipping
s17+.    73th. is 1973.  january shipping
s17e.   60th.  is 1622.    january shipping



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i am liking the lower prices. and my T15 just sold for 960 on eBay add the coupon to that and adds up to another T17, that would put me at 3 T17's total and 2 S9's and put me around 150 TH total 5 machines pushing almost as much as when I had 13 S9's lol -- just sucks that the price for the T17 is the same price as the one I ordered a while back but have to wait till mid December for - and add in that they screwed me cost wise on that one, the December one is more costly than the one I could order and have shipped within 7 days.



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consider it as cost averaging.

i have staggered orders of 💯 th

due

nov 14
nov 28
dec 20

they will be about 320th for about 8000

i had 100 th arrive on oct 28.

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Tweet from Bitmain suggests coupons are coming for orders shipped between 10/1 and 11/10.

https://twitter.com/Antminer_main/status/1191953585669640193?s=20



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Oh nice
so 1/3 of my orders get a coupon
no word on orders S17Es that are second and third batch shipments nov 11-20 and nov 21-30?

Is the coupon per order or per miner if anyone who has used their coupons can answer I only used once a 375 off s17 pro it was within the 30% off
For example if i get a coupon for 800 or so and want to get s17+ at 2100 the coupon only knocks off about 630 off the other 170 is rendered useless I get that
but if I ordered two s17+ would it knock off the full 800 off 4200 ordered for two miners
I don't wanna risk it or mess it up as these coupons once attached to the order are a one time thing
if anyone has any experience with them being applied.
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Yes you are correct. One per miner. They usually impose a limit as to how much it can take off the price overall. 50% and under maybe?? Though these days maybe that's not an issue. I suspect coupons are never for that much off these newer units. Used to happen with the S9's as they came down in price. For ex; You can't use a $350 coupon on a $435 unit price. It will tell you on the screen during the order process what is applicable.
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Yes you are correct. One per miner. They usually impose a limit as to how much it can take off the price overall. 50% and under maybe?? Though these days maybe that's not an issue. I suspect coupons are never for that much off these newer units. Used to happen with the S9's as they came down in price. For ex; You can't use a $350 coupon on a $435 unit price. It will tell you on the screen during the order process what is applicable.

the current $150 coupons state minimum cost has to be $400



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Has anyone received tracking or shipping info that ordered s17E
Wondering if they actually are shipping these out on time ?
Nov 1-10 today is 7th tomorrow 8th and the weekend makes it 10th.
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I am Waiting for my t17e's

Payment Details

Total order amount:
$2705.85

Payment method:
BTC

Amount received:
$3569.85

Payment date:
2019-09-09 19:59:49

Exchange rate:
1 BTC=10270.99 USD

Payment by BTC:
$3569.85

Order Details

Commodity   Price   Quantity   Total Price

Antminer T17e

Shipping date: 1-10, Nov. 2019

$1233.00   2   $2466.00
Product Amount:   $2466.00
Shipping Cost:   $239.85
Total Amount:   $2705.85

Since I paid them

3569.85
2705.85

864   is due to me    since they never sent my 2x 57= 114 for my 2 s9k's   lets see how they do with this  864.

If they give me 2x  432 coupons I will buy more gear.

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19;59 payment time. Man I was at 19:06 still nothing
Not sure what coupon I might get since I paid just 2900 for one shipped
I’m assuming 800-900 but can’t even use that amount in full on anything Sad
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Since I paid them

3569.85
2705.85

 864   is due to me    since they never sent my 2x 57= 114 for my 2 s9k's   lets see how they do with this  864.

If they give me 2x  432 coupons I will buy more gear.

If they live up to the terms as they were written on the listings for the "pre order" units, you'll get $864 in credit with no restrictions, not coupons. So you should be able to use the full $864 to buy a single miner.

From the current S17e pre order listing:
2. If the Actual Transaction Price of the product is lower than the Product Reference Price, the remaining amount will be generated in your account. You may use the remaining amount to purchase additional products at the Actual Transaction Price, or you may use the remaining amount to purchase other products shown on the website that are available for purchasing.
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Just received 2x 358 usd coupons non expiry 30% of the Value of the order maximum
I am not sure what they are from tho??? I hope it’s not for my s17e split or something

Sept 9 ordered s17e (2727) sept 10 and 11 s17e (2683)
October 15 ordered s17 pro 50t (2503)
October 23 received coupon for 375usd
October 25 ordered s17 pro 50t (2128-used coupon 375)

Will have one of the two for sale if not both depending on what they are for.
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I just got two coupons  I got a really good one 683 or so  and I got one for 368.


looks like I can only buy the s17+ for 2111 - 683  as coupon cap is 700

the s17 pro 53th has a cap  of 658 coupon

the t17 42th has a cap of 358 coupon

So I could try to order t17 and try to use the 368 coupon.


or I could try to order the s17 pro 53th and use the 683 coupon  see what happens.

so  I was able to get the s17 pro 53th and use 600 of the 683 coupon.

so 1999.00 - 600 = 1399. + 119.99 to ship = 1519.07

for a 53th pro six months to pay

I have the 368 coupon on hand.

it would take about 320 off the t17  if someone wants to pay me for it let me know.

it would do full price on the other units.

I did not want to wait until late december to order the s73  but would have got the full 683 off  2111      vs 600 off 2000.

We now have :

2x s17's to bring to clifton now     103th
2x t17e's on order  due in a week 106th
1x s17 pro due in 10 days              53th
1x t17     due  dec 20                    40th
1x t17e   due  dec 20                     64th

2 avalon 1066 due nov 25            100th

453th  all online to add to 1025th   just under 1.5ph

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I just got two coupons  I got a really good one 683 or so  and I got one for 368.

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This is a mail I just got from Bitmain. However, even though I ordered one S17e (shipping between 1-10 November). I haven't got any coupons or credit on website, nor has it been shipped yet even though it is Friday (8th November).

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This is a mail I just got from Bitmain. However, even though I ordered one S17e (shipping between 1-10 November). I haven't got any coupons or credit on website, nor has it been shipped yet even though it is Friday (8th November).

https://imgur.com/a/lpQ5vL0

I got the same email - so for the T17 I ordered and paid 1075.30 for, it now shows the new price as 805 or 929.29 shipped - so I assume this means I will get a credit for 146.01 add that to the 150 coupon I have and may just buy another T17.

But I do not see the credit anywhere yet - do I have to wait for the Dec order to ship?



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This is not a Bitmain originated email. It's a phishing scam to get you username and pass word. I would not reply to that.

Oh sorry, that IS a Bitmain email. I was wrong.

Official Bitmain email address; webmaster@bitmaintech.com
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I think they will only send the coupons

Quote from: Bitmain
Please note that,
 
The coupons will be released before 8th November 2019.
The coupons will expire if the price of BTC exceeds 20, 000 USD for more than 3 consecutive days.
The coupons can only be applied to new purchases of any products on https://shop.bitmain.com/
The coupons will not be issued in cash and cannot be exchanged for cash. They can only be used to deduct the payment amount when you purchase our miners through https://shop.bitmain.com/
The coupons can be used for deducting a maximum of 30% of the order total amount (shipping fee not included).
During the purchase process, once a coupon has been selected and the order has been submitted, the coupon is deemed to have been used and cannot be used again, even if such an order is not fully paid.
Utilized coupons will NOT be returned once orders are submitted, be the orders valid or not.
Once an order is submitted, a coupon cannot be applied on it anymore as orders cannot be amended once they are submitted.
The coupons can be transferred to other users’ accounts on Bitmian shop.
The amount deducted by the use of a coupon or coupons cannot be invoiced.
The coupons can be transferred to other users’ accounts on www.bitmain.com.
To get a fast response from our team for any coupon related issues, please submit a ticket here
Bitmain reserves the right to revoke, change the value or limit the usage of all coupons mentioned above.
We apologize for any inconvenience our emails may have caused. You can find the instructions through links below:
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Thank you for your continuous support and we look forward to servicing you again.
 
Best regards,
 
The Bitmain team

=  from my email

They are playing games  so  unless you printed the order and all info on the order the day you purchased you don't have much to stand on.

"Be happy you get a coupon."  (my belief in their plan as they will execute it.)

I  got 368 and 683 last night

Antminer S17 53 2019-10-21 to 2019-10-31 2322  = 683 coupon
Antminer S17 Pro 50 Shipping in 7 working days after fully paid 2128 =  368 coupon

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I think they'll only give the credit when/after miners ship. The pre sale listings say that the "Actual Transaction Price" is set before delivery. I'd guess they might adjust the price again if there are any big moves before Dec.

I'm in the same boat, I have credit coming for S17s shipping in Dec. and just received coupons for S17 pros that were purchased and shipped last month.
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I would like to see what they do with that promised credit.

I did jump in and spend my 1x 683 coupon  I got 600 of it off on the s17 pro 53th  so 1399 + 119 to ship = 1518  we will see if it is a built in Malaysia model  which would save me some trump tax.

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an issue I just noticed is that my miner was supposed to ship Dec 21 - Dec 31. That email they sent states my shipment date is now Jan 1st to Jan 31st...

I now have to wait 2 weeks to a month longer? Is that why they are giving me 150 credit? If so, that sucks. especially as I can order a T17 today and pay almost the exact same price and get it shipped in a week and have it before Dec 1st but the one I ordered and paid for a month ago, I may not see until Feb?

on a side note - I also got this scam email trying to sell me miners, their address was not even similar to bitmains... I hope no one fell for this email.




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I would like to see what they do with that promised credit.

I did jump in and spend my 1x 683 coupon  I got 600 of it off on the s17 pro 53th  so 1399 + 119 to ship = 1518  we will see if it is a built in Malaysia model  which would save me some trump tax.

Well, I'm going to wait and find out. I'm not ready to invest any more right now, but between credit (as it stands now) and coupons, I should be able to get a miner in Dec with $0 out of pocket. Now I'm hoping BTC price just stays at $9k until Jan...
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an issue I just noticed is that my miner was supposed to ship Dec 21 - Dec 31. That email they sent states my shipment date is now Jan 1st to Jan 31st...

I now have to wait 2 weeks to a month longer? Is that why they are giving me 150 credit? If so, that sucks. especially as I can order a T17 today and pay almost the exact same price and get it shipped in a week and have it before Dec 1st but the one I ordered and paid for a month ago, I may not see until Feb?

This is classic Bitmain Shenanigans. Sorry man. They're brutal.
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Received the two coupons for the s17 pros 368 each
Nothing for 3 s17e no credit yet
Plus it still has not shipped even the first one placed 6 minutes into the sale
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This is classic Bitmain Shenanigans. Sorry man. They're brutal.

and that ^^ is just one of the reasons that I refuse to support BM and switched to Canaan's Avalons several years ago. Ants may be more efficient but I will not tolerate nor do business with a company that operates like BM does.

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November 08, 2019, 03:48:28 PM
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When you say 150 credit you mean 150 coupon ?
Where do these credits go ? Or where can you see them ?
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November 08, 2019, 03:52:41 PM
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not sure how they will issue it. I see nothing on my account as of now.



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November 08, 2019, 04:38:54 PM
Last edit: November 09, 2019, 03:20:09 AM by frodocooper
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and that ^^ is just one of the reasons that I refuse to support BM and switched to Canaan's Avalons several years ago. Ants may be more efficient but I will not tolerate nor do business with a company that operates like BM does.

I have some a1066's on order due the end of the month.

service wise canaan is the best.

innosilicon is poor in many ways a long list can be made
pangolin/microbt I still don't know if it is the builder or reseller or both but they have fallen on hard times.
bitmain  is making the most efficient miner but they are a brutal company that practices nasty business. They would kill off BTC in 10 seconds if they had a new coin that made more for them. Ie BCH over BTC if they could force that on us they would.

My circumstances are such that I control and manage 200kwatts soon to be 400kwatts of power.  I get ¼ of the power.  This allows me some choice of gear but not full choice.

We have
bitmain..................................... 450th    adding 250th
whatsminer/microbt/pangolin ...... 490th    adding    0th
canaan .....................................   66th    adding 100th
innosilicon ................................  100th    adding    0th
                                                  1106th   adding 350th = 1456th

we are looking into  the a1166  maybe 5 pieces which will be 330th

I also have a 368 coupon from bitmain and an 864 credit due on an order for 2 t17e's

I have no idea how they will deal with that credit as a commodity order.

but in theory I will be getting more gear from bitmain. as I may have 1200+ in coupons and credits coming.

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November 08, 2019, 08:31:03 PM
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I guess it is safe to assume none of the s17E machines that were suppose to ship out nov 1-10 shipped out ?
Monday will be 11th, I don’t think they ship out on the weekend and I haven’t seen anyone receive shipping confirmation yet, still waiting for my first order placed and paid for 6 minutes after the sale went live on sept 9th for the first batch ....
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November 08, 2019, 11:51:32 PM
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they ship on sat. I have also had sun shipping from them.
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November 10, 2019, 09:26:32 PM
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Wow good to know, thank you for that info, I've only had them ship out mainland to me on Tuesday between 130 am and 230 am lol....(eastern time)
thanks again for that info!

Well def no shipments or coupons or credit for my order yet, s17e Nov1-10th slightly disappointing to have had it placed 6 minutes into the sale going live and still nada ....
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November 11, 2019, 03:00:36 AM
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Well def no shipments or coupons or credit for my order yet, s17e Nov1-10th slightly disappointing to have had it placed 6 minutes into the sale going live and still nada ....

I wonder if my 11-21 nov order will be sent out on time
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Well def no shipments or coupons or credit for my order yet, s17e Nov1-10th slightly disappointing to have had it placed 6 minutes into the sale going live and still nada ....

That has nothing to do with it.  They are late for all of us.

1 day and counting.

Figures I ordered a ton from them because they have yet to be late the entire year and now they are late.

Oh well.

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November 11, 2019, 06:02:40 AM
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Just an update
I got my order shipped out a couple hours ago, just got the notification

Hopefully they ship out the second batch soon
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November 11, 2019, 12:07:28 PM
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Just an update
I got my order shipped out a couple hours ago, just got the notification

Hopefully they ship out the second batch soon

Same here, order should have been shipped between 1st and 10th of November, and it has been shipped today (11th) in the morning.
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November 11, 2019, 02:56:30 PM
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I have yet to get my shipping info.

oh well

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November 11, 2019, 03:05:08 PM
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I have yet to get my shipping info.

oh well

Can confirm no coupon no credit  so far, no sure how when or what they will do but the invoice order  also got changed from roughly 2900 to 2100 with shipping, which is good less customs I have to pay.
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so do you guys think that the s17+ is going to follow this trend of shipping 2-4+ weeks late ,

im on the cusp of ordering through the guys at teslawatt as they are offering the miner

@ 2111.00 +250 = $2361.00 shipped  for the s17+ 74th @ 2900 watts +/- 5% ish

not sure if i should just pick up some of the available s17's  or other gear, maybe someone will post some s17e's

space is no issue , power at 7c per kwh running off peak 18 hrs a day,

i also was going to pick up some cheep s9's on ebay got last one for 177$ shipped 650 freq boards doing 15.5


Thanks , Hope these units get here soon want to see the real world specs,  

heard some mumblings that BM couldn't get chips , and now has a better supply
but who knows , ive chatted with 20+ sellers on Alibaba but not ready to buy more than
a few s9's for the right price
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November 12, 2019, 12:26:46 PM
Last edit: November 13, 2019, 12:50:55 PM by frodocooper
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My 2  t17e  units shipped today the 12th   2 days late

they ship from malaysia   should mean only 2.6% tax vs 27.6%

If bitmain  does that they are good to go.  It is a guess at best.

teslawatt  has the gear in hand zero trump tax.  At least buy 1  or 2 of them from him.

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November 12, 2019, 12:38:55 PM
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Got this from Bitmain regarding price adjustments:

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Hello ******,

Thanks for your consultation!

1) The overpaid amount will be released after your order is shipped out and you can choose to use it in your new orders or refund.
2) If you choose refund, please follow up this ticket and we will guide you to provide the related refund info.

Please let us know if you have additional questions or concerns.

Best regards,
Carol
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It appears so far that:
a. after order is shipped credit [possible coupon] or refund is given;
b. for a refund you have to contact them; and
c. finally, the order has to be shipped to be queued up for a refund/coupon-funds.

Do bear in mind it took 3 days to get this reply; guess they are understaffed at the moment.
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1) The overpaid amount will be released after your order is shipped out and you can choose to use it in your new orders or refund.
2) If you choose refund, please follow up this ticket and we will guide you to provide the related refund info.



well this blows, my existing order was supposed to ship mid December but now shows as mid January. I was hoping to use the credit I have coming to place another order now.



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November 12, 2019, 01:20:12 PM
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I need to correct my earlier post.

My s17 pro 53th was shipped today and due thursday.

not my 2x 17e's

now my 2x 17e's  were paid 3569  and now are marked 2705  so that is 865.

they do not have a change in the 1-10 of nov date.

So they are now 2 days late.

If they gave me them and a 865 credit I would buy another s17 pro.

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About a year ago Bitmain was on the brink of bankruptcy. It's really too bad that they didn't go over the edge. They are an insanely greedy Co that basically runs around raping and piledging everyone and everything that can put a $ in their swollen coffers. They are deceitful and self serving. Let's pray that the order of the Universe aligns against them and administers long overdue justice, to their cult of " Never enough money".
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November 12, 2019, 01:29:49 PM
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hmm  lots of hate for lots of asic builders.

Innosilicon ------------------------- screwed me somewhat this year
MicroBT/pangolin------------------  screwed me somewhat this year
Bitmain ---------------------------- screwed me somewhat  and could really hammer me  as I have:
  
2x t17e
1x t17
1x t17+    all on orders   cost me more then  6k

who is not on that list  Avalon  they did nothing wrong to me this year.

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November 12, 2019, 03:43:19 PM
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Got this from Bitmain regarding price adjustments:

I received a different answer from same person, although your response appears more accurate based on the information that was on the site when I ordered. Coupons were only to be provided based on price after shipment and only if price lower than purchase price within 10 days after shipment.

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Thanks for your consultation!

The overpai amount was already released in your account, now you have credit of 284USD.
You can choose to use it in your new orders or refund after the order is shipped out, thanks.

Please let us know if you have additional questions or concerns.

Best regards,
Carol
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As you can see, they told me it was already released and that I have a credit, however, I have no coupons or credit showing on my account currently and see nothing when trying to place an order. Unless their pricing remains the same, my actual credit can be more or less depending on price once it ships.
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November 12, 2019, 04:07:50 PM
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yeah this is what they did with my s9k units.

i finall received a mysterious coupon which may have been for the s9k.  since it was 2x 57 = 114. and the coupon was for more.  i did not freak out.

in the case of my two t17e units it is 865 i dont want to get screwed on this.

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November 12, 2019, 04:18:04 PM
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Let me know how this goes I am also in chat with them as well this is what I got.  I id take credit or refund anything but coupon I have two 368$ I can't sell for 50% of the value considering I should be getting about 3x800+ in credits much rather anything but coupon if possible
My order shipped out a little over a day ago

Quote from: Bitmain
Thanks for your consultation!

Your order is ready for shipment and will be shipped out soon. You can choose to refund after your order is shipped out.

Please let us know if you have additional questions or concerns.

Best regards,
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My 2  t17e  units shipped today the 12th   2 days late

they ship from malaysia   should mean only 2.6% tax vs 27.6%

If bitmain  does that they are good to go.  It is a guess at best.

teslawatt  has the gear in hand zero trump tax.  At least buy 1  or 2 of them from him.

i dont think anyone has the s17+  74 th model yet ,  every supplier has only offered the pre-order for dec 21-31 ship date,
i just haven't found a miner with the hashrate/power/price,   to match up, the efficiency is really what i need as we all do  Grin
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Just some notes about these "Credit" as they call it in Bitmain:

Quote from: Carol
In addition, now you have credit of 853USD, you can choose to use it in your new orders or refund. If you choose refund, you need to provide a valid BTC wallet address, thanks.

- Carol

Quote from: Bella
Customer cannot see credit, but can ask us to move your credit to new order.
Please note new order should be with USD/Paypal payment method.

- Bella

Since those are the conditions of using it. I am going to refund it and we will see how that whole process goes.
Figured, some might find this info useful.
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Last edit: November 13, 2019, 01:18:05 PM by frodocooper
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so - for refund they will give btc? but for using it as credit to a new order, the new order cannot be in btc? what malarkey is this?

I have a "credit" that I want to use to place an order right now for another 17 series miner but they also told me I have to wait until my existing order ships.... why is that? in case the price changes again and hence the credit changes?



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Just some notes about these "Credit" as they call it in Bitmain...

Remind me to give you some merit for this. I am waiting until the 19 th of Nov to send merit again as I am try to figure out if I have a
25
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point merit source
I last gave out merits on the 18th of oct.

Back to this post and bitmain in general.

I have a s17 pro in transit it shipped from and was built in malaysia so tax is 48 dollars not 550 like my last two from China.
Right now I have a 368 coupon
I also have 2x t17e that I paid 3569 and are listed at 2704   so I should get a 865 credit.
This gear still says Nov 1-10 shipping time.  it is the 13th  I am fairly annoyed about it as I would certainly use the 865 credit on another s17pro since It is built in and comes from Malaysia.  so 1999-865 = 1134+ 120+50 = 1304 net  with tax and shipping.
I would also use my 368 coupon on the s17 pro   and 1999-368 = 1631 + 120 + 50 = 1801 net.

I am delayed due to bitmain on two orders I just mentioned.

Worse off is the  not knowing   if the 2x t17e  will ship from malaysia  and be counting as a 3330 sale   tax of 70  or if they ship from china and are tax at 830

So
2x t17e  late and     will tax be 70 or 830
1x t17    due in dec  will tax be 25 or 270
1x t17+  due in dec  will tax be 50 or 550

not knowing the tax 145 or 1600   or maybe one from column a and two from column b  for a total of 890  makes doing business hard.

In a perfect world  I get all the gear on the low tax 145

I buy 2 more s17 pro for 3105 total.

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November 13, 2019, 04:21:25 PM
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I have a "credit" that I want to use to place an order right now for another 17 series miner but they also told me I have to wait until my existing order ships.... why is that? in case the price changes again and hence the credit changes?

Based on what was posted above and what they told me this morning, you don't need to wait until order ships, but you need to place the order with PayPal and then inform them of the order ID for them to apply the credit. You could wait until order ships to see if they actually put coupons on your account. It's not clear if they will be doing that or not, but you can apply existing credit based on latest pricing update they sent out. I would expect them to apply coupons after shipping, otherwise people aren't going to easily know what their "hidden credit" is or how to use it without contacting support. If you apply the credit now, you're at least guaranteed the credit won't reduce, but it could technically increase as well.
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