DT everyone? cryptoji.net agency cheating translators from the forum

[Harold Finch]

I will support you with the redflag.
They are fools, we wanted to work with them.
Bottom line, they lost us as customers after this.

150-200$ are worth in order to crap your reputation cryptoji team?

[hacker1001101001]

<...> As per the telegram conversation in the OP, the translation work was submitted and the payment was not given even after the promised date which is breaching of written contract. <...>

I could be wrong, but judging by the story in the OP, the flag should be not the 3rd type ("violation of the written contract"), but the 2nd ("violation of a casual or implied agreement").

The contract was created at the same time when cryptoji agreed with OP about the payment here.

So, I think type 3 flag fits here.

[yahoo62278]

Torn on this ChiNgadOr role in this fiasco. Will keep the original tag on the OPs claim and wait for more evidence vs the COO. If it comes out later that he is in fact the COO, tag will be readded and never removed.

Can anyone else confirm ChiNgadOr is a part of the team and not just another translator?

[TECSHARE]

Looks like theft of services to me. Furthermore they had no right to demand corrections after the fact in order to get paid. That alone is not legal unless it was agreed upon before work started. I would likely support a flag if you created one.

What do you try to support? That a bad done job should be paid? Of course not.  Too many times that projects reject a translation work as a whole (harming honest translators) because of few dishonest users that fuc**ed up.

Sorry, your story just isn't adding up. Best case this is extremely poor management. I would advise the following course of action, innocent or guilty.

1. Pay everyone here who has a claim.
2. Get this flag dropped (which I will support if you pay)
3. Write up a clear contract for future use that protects you from shitty translation, gives you options for corrections, and clearly details all payment terms, responsibilities, and time frames.

Even if you are being truthful, these issues are result of poor management on your part. Chock up the loss as a learning experience, salvage your reputation, and move forward using a solid contract agreement that protects you in the future.

[Virtualface]

Torn on this ChiNgadOr role in this fiasco. Will keep the original tag on the OPs claim and wait for more evidence vs the COO. If it comes out later that he is in fact the COO, tag will be readded and never removed.

Can anyone else confirm ChiNgadOr is a part of the team and not just another translator?

From my chat with ChiNgadOr:

https://i.imgur.com/OBGN7YM.jpg

My chat with Cryptoji:

https://i.imgur.com/F0JCSHs.jpg

[akhjob]

Considering that I was also planning to open scam accusation against Cryptoji, sorry for being late. I'll be short with my case.

I contacted @cryptoji based on this thread in Indian Marketplace (archived). While I contacted him I was directed to contact @ChiNgad0r for the translation details. @ChiNgad0r is the one who gave me the work details. I was told that payment will be after my work gets approved. I completed the Tamil translation of the EpicCash Whitepaper and submitted the work on 19th Aug 2019. Once I saw that my work was uploaded in the EpicCash official website, I contacted both @cryptoji and @ChiNgad0r regarding payments. But both were dodging the payments, thats when I came to know the Little Mouse was paid for his work. When I pressed the issue, Cryptoji agreed to pay me by Sunday (15 Sep 2019) and got my ETH address. Original agreement was that the payment will be in ETH, but he informed that he'll pay me in USDC considering the market volatility which I agreed to. But after that, there has been no reply from Cryptoji. Meanwhile, ChiNgad0r claimed that he is not aware of anything regarding the advance payments and only on 17 Sep 2019, he told me that the payment is scheduled in December. ChiNgad0r didn't care to tell me that the payment will be on Dec for every translator until then.

Important parts of chats:
Cryptoji


ChiNgad0r


BTW, I also tried to contact few other translators mentioned on cryptoji.net as their Chief translators, but none replied except erikalui. I wish they reply to this thread atleast.

To conclude, I believe that Cryptoji broke an agreement with the translators and ChiNgad0r(COO) also had a role in this scam accusation. If ChiNgad0r claims that he is also an innocent translator like us, let him prove by sharing the chats with his boss.

[ChiNgadOr]

You can just take a look and check that I did in the past many more translations that all of you together. (except Erikalui, hats off.. he is a champion!). I know how it feels to be left unpaid for a work, so I understand all of you, but you are shooting the messenger! I did the spanish translation and helped Cryptoji organizing translators to do the job. That is all. Don't try to be paranoid (like L. MOuse's conspiration theories about multiple accounts)or look for connections. If there is some expert in computers, I am sure he will find a way to check there are different persons here: ME and Cryptoji, and a third guy which I have never talked directly to, and I really don't know what which role  he played at all. The decision, about the money, the date, everything, is always decided by the company, not me. Do you know what that means? If you still don't understand, I will explain again, I am not the company but a worker like the rest.
Here you got the end of my conversation with Cryptoji, , where it is pretty clear that  last answer received from him, is dated on 7th september. Won't share his telegram of any personal info, and the rest of conversation will be only posted after dec 2019, when payment is supposed to be done. I still hope this is all about some missunderstanding, or Cryptoji is on holiday,  or busy with something else, and this gets finally fixed.

ps: if you think you wasted your time, you don't have any fu**ng idea how much time I lost (trasnaltion+organizing translators) and still keep loosing because of this. So you can bet there is NO ONE more interested than me in solving this shit. by the way, also upset of repeating that I am not CCO or have any other chief executive role in Cryptoji.

[starkovblue]

Looks like theft of services to me. Furthermore they had no right to demand corrections after the fact in order to get paid. That alone is not legal unless it was agreed upon before work started. I would likely support a flag if you created one.

What do you try to support? That a bad done job should be paid? Of course not.  Too many times that projects reject a translation work as a whole (harming honest translators) because of few dishonest users that fuc**ed up.

Sorry, your story just isn't adding up. Best case this is extremely poor management. I would advise the following course of action, innocent or guilty.

1. Pay everyone here who has a claim.
2. Get this flag dropped (which I will support if you pay)
3. Write up a clear contract for future use that protects you from shitty translation, gives you options for corrections, and clearly details all payment terms, responsibilities, and time frames.

Even if you are being truthful, these issues are result of poor management on your part. Chock up the loss as a learning experience, salvage your reputation, and move forward using a solid contract agreement that protects you in the future.

We will wait for payments to ALL translators. Only after that the flag will be removed.
It is fair to everyone. As we all see here, there are already more than 6 people who have NOT been paid, and many have not written here yet.

[erikalui]

cyramji was online yesterday and still chose not to respond. I sent him a message today so if he doesn't respond still, I'll support the flag. Still it feels bad that he chose to pay one translator and not the others. What's wrong now?

[Little Mouse]

Still it feels bad that he chose to pay one translator and not the others.

My case is different, I have used escrow, Darkstar before the deal.
@ChingadOr
You have neg tagged me, it's not fair. I had misunderstood because cryptoji said you are the COO, retaliatory isn't a good one.
However, since there's no proof, I have removed my tag on your profile.

[erikalui]

My case is different, I have used escrow, Darkstar before the deal.

The point is that if they wanted to scam from the start, they wouldn't even accept escrow but they did and fulfilled their commitment with one translator. They chose not to pay others with/without escrow.

[akhjob]

My case is different, I have used escrow, Darkstar before the deal.

The point is that if they wanted to scam from the start, they wouldn't even accept escrow but they did and fulfilled their commitment with one translator. They chose not to pay others with/without escrow.

Cyramji was online today and I bet he ignored your messages. He was clearly planning for an exit scam.

I believe that Epic Cash team were looking for several Asian languages for their whitepaper, so in order to close the deal he agreed to use escrow in the case of little mouse. He just invested 150$ to look credible, only to claim a larger sum from the Epic Cash team and leave other translators hanging.

[erikalui]

My case is different, I have used escrow, Darkstar before the deal.

The point is that if they wanted to scam from the start, they wouldn't even accept escrow but they did and fulfilled their commitment with one translator. They chose not to pay others with/without escrow.

Cyramji was online today and I bet he ignored your messages. He was clearly planning for an exit scam.

I believe that Epic Cash team were looking for several Asian languages for their whitepaper, so in order to close the deal he agreed to use escrow in the case of little mouse. He just invested 150$ to look credible, only to claim a larger sum from the Epic Cash team and leave other translators hanging.

He ignored it. I sent him this thread link also so now he can't claim to being unaware. He has been working since long but now finally has turned to scamming. Wasted my 2.5 days on translating those 6000+ words. Will now never work with people whom I know even if they are reputed. Money first or escrow.

[yahoo62278]

Money first or escrow.

This is obviously your choice, but most translation jobs pay in tokens don't they? Very few offer Eth payments or some other payment choice other then tokens. Most token projects pay after ICO ends, so I think you'll lose out on a lot of work.

Not a big deal in most cases because tokens are mostly worthless, but some projects pan out.

[erikalui]

^Yeah, that's why I stopped working on altcoin projects as most projects of mine have failed or turned scam and the ones which paid gave tokens which never got listed on exchanges like projects of bountyhive. ETH payment was the reason I worked on this project but this again turned scam.

[CryptopreneurBrainboss]

Gave the accused some number of days to defend himself but i guess he isn't interested, already left a negative feedback before now but just supported the flag and made it active. The accuse isn't showing any concerns towards resolving the issue, he has been active but has intentionally refused to respond to the thread irrespective of the PMs sent by others as indicated above and negative feedbacks already visible on the account.

To OP and other affected users, I'm sorry for your lost of time invested into translating for this user (project). You just have to move on now. You have done the best you could do, that's bringing this to the attention of the forum.

[starkovblue]

Update.

Cryptoji wrote to me, and instead of clarifying the situation, he said that if I didn’t remove my flag, he would go to court and put me in jail 
He also threatened to sue all translators and all who criticize the company since we do not have the right to do so 
He will not pay (maybe in December to those who behave well), although the deadlines were this month.

I believe that threats are a violation of everything that I'm used to in the crypto world.
I am ready to discuss only here on the forum and if he reads, let him write here.
Otherwise, it’s like an ostrich that bury its head in the sand.

Once again, the flag will not be canceled until all will not receive payments for the work that they did.

Given that he is already losing customers who do not want to work with him because of his problems with translators.

[TECSHARE]

Cryptoji, I can assure you that the fact that you refuse to respond to these accusations publicly alone is enough to make your reputation completely worthless. You can make backroom threats all you like, but unless you present your argument and address these accusations you and your project are done here and are going to have to start over under a new identity. Or you could pay your debts and salvage what remains of your reputation that is dwindling by the second.

[erikalui]

Update.

Cryptoji wrote to me, and instead of clarifying the situation, he said that if I didn’t remove my flag, he would go to court and put me in jail 
He also threatened to sue all translators and all who criticize the company since we do not have the right to do so 
He will not pay (maybe in December to those who behave well), although the deadlines were this month.

I believe that threats are a violation of everything that I'm used to in the crypto world.
I am ready to discuss only here on the forum and if he reads, let him write here.
Otherwise, it’s like an ostrich that bury its head in the sand.

Once again, the flag will not be canceled until all will not receive payments for the work that they did.

Given that he is already losing customers who do not want to work with him because of his problems with translators.

Behave well? We have done work and we should be paid for it so why threats and all? If he is honest, he has to respond here rather than sending threats via pms.

[Harold Finch]

This is how deceivers act. At the beginning everyone smiles and then when the moment of payment comes, they disappear. And as soon as they see that the reputation is falling and someone is not too lazy to do an investigation, they begin to threaten.

Want to assure everyone here as a lawyer, even if they go to court, he will tell them to go home.
There is no case here.
But if the deceived translators go to court they may well sue the assets of this company.

This agency has ended its journey on the forum.

The head of this company turned out to be a very big coward and is even afraid to come here to the forum and talk like a man.