Livecoin is a shady exchange, Yobit is not

[unibitcoinist]

It was Hhampuz who had left managing Livecoin Signature Campaign, because they did scam, it was one time only. I was also supporting leaving campaign management of Hhampuz. There was a lot of debate going on.
Yahoo has blcklisted the users who promoted Livecoin.

Hundreds of scam accusation against Yobit- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5134358.0
Strange! Yahoo has no problem with Yobit, even it has hundreds of scam accusation?
Double Standard?

Local Rule (if anyone follows)- Please no cryptotalk sig here.

[mindrust]

The difference is, yobit is smart enough to not make an appearance here with their official account. If they were that dumb I am pretty sure that account would have been flashing red already.

I had no problems with btc-e but they were also red. (I mean even long before they completely collapsed)

Anyway, I think you have a point.

*Also, the attitude of Livecoin pissed many people off. It wasn't just the "scam". It was also how they handled the problem. In yobit's case, they don't give fuck about the accusations at all.  

[actmyname]

Would you rather have no campaign manager handling YoBit, or perhaps one of YoBit's own staff managing the campaign?

This matter has been discussed time and time again and we have said the same things.

This thread doesn't mean anything to you, then? List of banned participants in the Cryptotalk Campaign

[Astargath]

It was Hhampuzed who had left managing Livecoin Signature Campaign, because they did scam, it was one time only. I was also supporting leaving campaign management of Hhampuz. There was a lot of debate going on.
Yahoo has blcklisted the users who promoted Livecoin.

Hundreds of scam accusation against Yobit- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5134358.0
Strange! Yahoo has no problem with Yobit, even it has hundreds of scam accusation?
Double Standard?

Local Rule (if anyone follows)- Please no cryptotalk sig here.

People here and anywhere are looking for money, that's what we all care about. There are worse things going on in this forum.

[unibitcoinist]

The difference is, yobit is smart enough to not make an appearance here with their official account.

They have- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=406594

Would you rather have no campaign manager handling YoBit, or perhaps one of YoBit's own staff managing the campaign?

Isn't Livecoin promoting themselves? If Yahoo can blacklist Livecoin promoters, why not Yobit? Yahoo clearly said that he will blacklist any user who promote Livecoin. I was pointing that, not managing by Yahoo or a Yobit staff. If spam would generate, then great LORD theymos could do something to keep his forum clean like he did before.

People here and anywhere are looking for money

Yeah, people don't bother participating in single campaign with 2 accounts 

[mindrust]

The difference is, yobit is smart enough to not make an appearance here with their official account.

They have- https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=406594

Wew, I was half wrong. There was indeed a yobit acc and it is negative trusted as I guessed It would.

[Astargath]

Would you rather have no campaign manager handling YoBit, or perhaps one of YoBit's own staff managing the campaign?

I think few people would prefer YoBit's signature and spammer who wear it got banned again

I don't think anyone really cares, we allow scammers to post on this forum, who cares about a bunch of spammers?

[cabalism13]

Isn't Livecoin promoting themselves? If Yahoo can blacklist Livecoin promoters, why not Yobit? Yahoo clearly said that he will blacklist any user who promote Livecoin. I was pointing that, not managing by Yahoo or a Yobit staff. If spam would generate, then great LORD theymos could do something to keep his forum clean like he did before.

I think you're a bit late.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5183601.0
yahoo62278 did make a new freshly made start for all including Livecoin participants.

And an addition to this, back then(Yobit Spam) there were a high number of bans, and I think that should do it already, that doesn't make sense if a user gets on the SMAS list if they were already banned.

[actmyname]

Would you rather have no campaign manager handling YoBit, or perhaps one of YoBit's own staff managing the campaign?

Isn't Livecoin promoting themselves? If Yahoo can blacklist Livecoin promoters, why not Yobit? Yahoo clearly said that he will blacklist any user who promote Livecoin. I was pointing that, not managing by Yahoo or a Yobit staff. If spam would generate, then great LORD theymos could do something to keep his forum clean like he did before.

The idea that we have to rely on theymos for everything—especially when a sensible solution to control spam exists—is absolutely ridiculous.

And if I were to choose between yahoo vs. someone who doesn't care about the post quality, well... the answer should be obvious.If yahoo does start blacklisting CryptoTalk participants from his other campaigns, that would add some incentive to stay clean, but the reality is that most of the people who are going to join the campaign would never have a chance of joining his other campaigns.

Scrape the bottom of the barrel, dig a little further, then tunnel down a couple miles, and that's where you'll find YoBit quality.

[CryptopreneurBrainboss]

Change is inevitable, we should learn to accept that. In my opinion, It shouldn't be tagged double standard if the idea behind the decision is for the best interest of the forum. Livecoin got back my support after they did the best they could in resolving the accusations against them i.e returning the seized money and gave the affected user access to his account. The idea towards this open accusations are to prevent others from falling victims to the scam projects and probably resolve the resolvable issues as we have experienced with some of the other scam accusations.

What ever decisions taken by @Yahoo, if you observe closely is for the best interest of the forum. It's better this way than how it was previously operated. Atleast we can see the impact of his involvement.

[PrimeNumber7]

Would you rather have no campaign manager handling YoBit, or perhaps one of YoBit's own staff managing the campaign?

I would rather they have no manager, or a very poor manager.

The above would mean a few days of spam, followed by YoBit having their signatures blacklisted and being unable to advertise. It would also mean a bunch of spammers would get banned.

The status quo means that a shady business can advertise and many people with questionable ethics and profiting from advertising a company that is reasonably a scammer with impunity.

[johhnyUA]

Yahoo has blcklisted the users who promoted Livecoin.

Yahoo made amnesty to all users from his past blacklist. It was very good and smart act, because i know that some people were there since bitmixer.io signature campaign (it was in late 2016 or in the yearly-middle of 2017) without any weighty reason, just because admin of bitmixer.io asked to do that (for honest, i don't remember true reason, but i know that for many russian local members it was not true)

Livecoin got back my support after they did the best they could in resolving the accusations against them i.e returning the seized money and gave the affected user access to his account.

In fact, flag of izoomrud untrue any longer after they unblocked his account and gave his money back to him (except those that were "invested" in MONA, but this is his fault to buy shitcoins). But as we see, many people still support it.

Now he is keep trolling in russian local board with new "cool stories".

[The Sceptical Chymist]

The difference is, yobit is smart enough to not make an appearance here with their official account. If they were that dumb I am pretty sure that account would have been flashing red already.

That's not the only difference.  I do recall the scam accusation against Livecoin, and it looked like they were an out-and-out scam exchange, unlike Yobit where most users have no problem.  I'm loathe to stick up for Yobit even though I've used them and they've never scammed me, because I'm aware of all the accusations against them--but they've been around a long time and I don't think they're a true scam exchange like so many others.

It's also worth noting that many scam accusations against Yobit were never followed up on, so there's no way of knowing if they got resolved.

Would you rather have no campaign manager handling YoBit, or perhaps one of YoBit's own staff managing the campaign?

I would rather they have no manager, or a very poor manager.

I have no issue with people promoting Yobit, because as I said most people don't have problems with them.  They just don't address customer problems like they should, which is a stupid move on their part--and who knows, maybe they do it on purpose to scam a little here and there.  I wouldn't put it past them, but I really don't know. 

As far as their campaign goes, I would much rather see it with a good manager like Yahoo62278 than have a repeat performance of last time.  Everybody loses in a case like that--people get banned, Yobit loses their advertising, and the forum gets spammed.  No winners there.

[marlboroza]

Double Standard?

No, not at all, it is all in your head.

Yahoo would never help promote service which is setting one ponzi ICO after another, people would never defend someone who is promoting service marked as pump-and-dump scheme, all scam accusations against them are just part of your imagination, besides, good manager can make all bad things to go away, because they are not that bad.

Eventually, you will have bitcointalk forum filled with people who will say this or this:

I received an email that they are going to do IEO, this is not good and not recommended for traders, we all know it's reputation they are ban in this forum, they are the exchange that has the most number of traders that scammed traders, who know you will become its next victim, because they are very notorious.

...and at the same time they won't have any problem to receive payouts from them, well, maybe that payout came, as coin-investor said, from "most number of traders that scammed traders", or maybe just from IEO which is "not good and not recommended", or maybe just from market manipulation, like magneto said. But that is ok, as long as manager keeps this forum spam free  

[johhnyUA]

The difference is, yobit is smart enough to not make an appearance here with their official account. If they were that dumb I am pretty sure that account would have been flashing red already.

That's not the only difference.  I do recall the scam accusation against Livecoin, and it looked like they were an out-and-out scam exchange, unlike Yobit where most users have no problem.  I'm loathe to stick up for Yobit even though I've used them and they've never scammed me, because I'm aware of all the accusations against them--but they've been around a long time and I don't think they're a true scam exchange like so many others.

Shit, you really like you live in some weird reality (or just creating post for your signature campaign). You're talking about things, that don't have any attitude to reality, really.

Show me other people who suffered from Livecoin. You should understand that i'm from russian board and in topics about Livecoin in our board there were many multiaccounts (they were red tagged by oir DT members) who just crying like "Omg, we suffer, our money were stolen!!!11" but in fact they were operated by one man.

Also, Livecoin still works (the same as Yobit)

In fact, i don't consider neither Livecoin or Yobit as scams, so i don't see in Yahoo's deeds anything bad.
But it's funny to see people which were crying like "Yobit scam", "Livecoin scam", "Livecoin the same as yobit - scams" now using Putin style replic like "mnyah mnyah..... do you understand..... plyamk.... difference.... ehehem.... not the same.... our yahoo partners (allusion to "our western partners).... we keeep watching...... plyamk"

Shame on you! (c)


Edited:
In fact, i didn't find that anyone above tagged Yobit or supported flag againt it, so my second speech it's not to them.

[ddreadster]

Livecoin is definitely a shady exchange. A while back, I signed up with Livecoin just to test it out as a secondary exchange, and I bought a small amount of crypto, and when I came back I didn't find them. So I went to go through the history transactions and because it was a while back I couldn't see anything because they don't show you old history. I contacted support and their response was something along the lines of "your transactions and balances were more than 30 days old, and we can not do anything".

Never using them. Thank goodness they were never my primary exchange.

[marlboroza]

In fact, i didn't find that anyone above tagged Yobit or supported flag againt it, so my second speech it's not to them.

First of all that is not correct information and second, not flagging/tagging something dozen times doesn't make it less shady/scam.

So, pump and dump is fraud, ponzi is fraud and people do lose money, but this is not important because you:

don't fucking care if something is "against the law"

[johhnyUA]

In fact, i didn't find that anyone above tagged Yobit or supported flag againt it, so my second speech it's not to them.

First of all that is not correct information and second, not flagging/tagging something dozen times doesn't make it less shady/scam.

What is not correct?  

second, not flagging/tagging something dozen times doesn't make it less shady/scam.

Please, read more attentively my post. I understand that you need to make your weekly post count, but this doesn't mean that you can spam here with nonsense.  I quoted shitty statements and just clarify them, so your "second" is not applicable to any word in my post.

don't fucking care if something is "against the law"

Quote out of context. I knew that one day someone will try to use it as an argument. In reality, it was about the fact that i don't accept arguments like "this is against the law" because the law is very different from country to country. In some countries "against the law" is do not kill fallen woman (in meaning woman that suck not only husband's cock) in some freedom of speech is "against the law" or freedom of existence to some nations.
And also it was in speech about "I will not follow their ToS because in my country it's against the law, ha ha" so i just told that i don't accept argument's like "this is against the law" because it's shitty statement. One day, in the future cryptocurrencies can become "against the law"

[examplens]

I have no issue with people promoting Yobit, because as I said most people don't have problems with them.  They just don't address customer problems like they should, which is a stupid move on their part--and who knows, maybe they do it on purpose to scam a little here and there.  I wouldn't put it past them, but I really don't know. 

As far as their campaign goes, I would much rather see it with a good manager like Yahoo62278 than have a repeat performance of last time.  Everybody loses in a case like that--people get banned, Yobit loses their advertising, and the forum gets spammed.  No winners there.

it all depends on which angle we look to this "problem".
This is not a signature campaign which directly promotes Yobit exchange and his service. It is the promotion of a new forum, named "cryptotalk" and they use Yobit just as a payment processor.
Everybody's talking about Yobit, cryptotalk.org we visited two-three times (my case) even though it is actually being advertised.
I have to admit that everything is well done by the marketing side.

[marlboroza]

In fact, i didn't find that anyone above tagged Yobit or supported flag againt it, so my second speech it's not to them.

First of all that is not correct information and second, not flagging/tagging something dozen times doesn't make it less shady/scam.

What is not correct?  

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=trust;u=406594

Please, read more attentively my post.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5134358.0.

I understand that you need to make your weekly post count, but this doesn't mean that you can spam here with nonsense.

That must be it.