DireWolf14 : Trust exaggeration

[DadyD]

Bring me the evidence that I don't need that loan.

You mean outside of the fact that you admitted three times you were only taking out the loan to build trust?

Marco was holding 0.0017 BTC of yours, which you were offering to send to another person as collateral for a 0.0015 BTC loan. If you actually needed 0.0015 BTC to spend, you could just have had marco instantly return the 0.0017 BTC to you instead. That way, you would have ended up with 0.0017 - 0.0015 = 0.0002 BTC more, AND not have to take a loan, AND not have to waste time looking for a lender, AND not have to pay extra transaction fees, AND not have to pay repayment fees.

We are now going over the same ground repeatedly. You have admitted you only wanted a loan to build trust, and you have agreed that marco was attempting to help you do that. There is nothing more to discuss.

@marcotheminer can you lock this thread as it is resolved

Yes, this does not exclude that I have other purposes.

What if I told you they paid me for every deposit I receive? What if I told you that they pay me for every account I register? Or if I told you that those 0.0015 btc are invested, along with my other btc and others, in order to receive income and share it with everyone? Or I'm just feeding the network with other taxes that I pay ... or who knows I play them ... Believe me, there are many reasons that you have not considered, you have only chosen the most common and obvious, even if wrong;)
Ye, close it. No poit to keep talk there, right?

Without even giving your opinion

OK, I have read this and to be honest, I don't really need to comment anything before sending trust feedback. I can still read and make my own conclusions based on reading without commenting, thank you very much for your opinion.

I repeat. Shame.

[marlboroza]

I repeat. Shame.

I repeat. Shame to farm trust.

[suchmoon]

What if I told you they paid me for every deposit I receive? What if I told you that they pay me for every account I register? Or if I told you that those 0.0015 btc are invested, along with my other btc and others, in order to receive income and share it with everyone? Or I'm just feeding the network with other taxes that I pay ... or who knows I play them ... Believe me, there are many reasons that you have not considered, you have only chosen the most common and obvious, even if wrong;)

Any of that would be possible with your own BTC without any loans.

[Railai]

I googled direwolf bitcointalk for a escrow need and by mistake I got over this thread. I am very sorry I opening it again but I have a question and I would to know the answer.

What is the point of making a credit card if not increasing your credit score? As It works in real life, the same should work here aswell no? Of course, it is obvious that a point someone might default, by what start with the initial risk from the beggining. If someone's new, 0.0015btc is worth nothing, less than my malboro daily pack.

I just didn't understand all the hate arround the subject and I want to say that I read all the pages and there is only hate talk and contradictions on basic provable facts.. Why it has to be this way?!

And again, a new user such as me has to be farm his trust. If I don't do deals, if I don't try to give something to the community with good deals or ideas, your profile is useless. There is not so much information at all; only some topics and replies are mostly spams by people that wear signatures and the only reason they post is for a few cents.

I consider feedbacks should be given more easier and the power of only one feedback should be lowered. This is the only way the system can go effective. Each time a deal got through, 1 feedback. 10 deals= 10 feedbacks. This way a situation like this one won't matter as no one will care about someone that exchange 10 bucks a year ago

Also I saw a lot of opinion feedbacks that increased a lot of users level up to +10 in some cases which I find funny... as some users just vote for themselves as they both like each other but they didn't risk money of none of the parties involved.

So how's that normal or ok? Please help me understand

[allyouracid]

And again, a new user such as me has to be farm his trust. If I don't do deals, if I don't try to give something to the community with good deals or ideas, your profile is useless.

I rarely did any trades here. I did some a long time ago (I think even as a newbie), on some I didn't even get any trust entries. But I've never considered my "profile is useless". I can read, I can write, I can PM users I like to have private conversation with. This account has been fully operational since I created it, and it hasn't changed the way it functions after I made any deals *.

I think this approach to the forum ("nothing but building trust is relevant") is cancer. It would be great if people started to take the whole trust system as a byproduct of the deals they make, not the other way around.
And if people were a bit more relaxed about that whole thing, there would be much less need for "aggressive" (for lack of a better word) reactions to such behavior like marlboroza's in this very thread. I don't always agree with the way he jumps in, either, but I can see where this is coming from, and if you take a look at the forum, certain posts etc. (as you mentioned yourself, Railai), this is nothing unexpected, imho.

Also I saw a lot of opinion feedbacks that increased a lot of users level up to +10 in some cases which I find funny... as some users just vote for themselves as they both like each other but they didn't risk money of none of the parties involved.

The rules for the trust ratings (if they haven't changed since I last read them) explicitly state that it's okay to use the trust ratings to express general opinion about a user, and that the former "risked amount" field may very well be used to give your opinion "weight".


* besides the usual activity related restrictions, signature / image limitations etc. every new account has to deal with, ofc.

[Railai]

Maybe it was completely wrong from my side to say useless. But I guess you got my point. And you are right, it is aggressive. I found it very funny last night I was trying to sell a bet365 account and someone comes to me and he says: "I am a higher rank than you" - my reply: "Ok, that's fair, give me your profile I will send you a PM to confirm your identity and we can move forward" . His reply was fantastic: "Hold on I will buy one right now"; obviously he didn't bought any or even replied after but after my selling post here I was amazed, I got 30-40 telegram contacts, everyone looking to buy but at the end of it; no new dealers only scam attempts.
Looking at this case back and writing about the trust ratings, it might be true, so many people going off road but these will be always coming and going. I saw here people giving bad feedbacks for child abuse which is fantastic or for saying that they voted Trump (even funnier). I don't find this normal but this is it. Anyway thanks a lot for your reply, well explained.

Cheers,
M.

[DireWolfM14]

As you are learning, there are many around here who will abuse their position to attempt to scam people.  The difference between someone building their credit score in real life, or building their trust score here on the forum is Identification.  IRL, you will be held accountable for defaulting on a credit card.  Here it is difficult, if not impossible to hold someone accountable for defaulting on a loan.

Additionally, the trust system has been used by many to build a reputation, who then abuse the trust that reputation instills.  Anytime someone is obviously trying to build a trusted reputation, it suggest to others that their might be ulterior motives.  It might be cynical and paranoid, but that doesn't mean they're wrong.

[TECSHARE]

Anytime someone is obviously trying to build a trusted reputation, it suggest to others that their might be ulterior motives.  It might be cynical and paranoid, but that doesn't mean they're wrong.

I don't know what went on here in this instance, and frankly I don't care. I haven't read the thread. I just want to point out how fucking asinine this statement is. I might suspect you are a body snatcher from the planet Xenon, that doesn't give me a right to preemptively shank you in the name of protecting your potential victims.

Just because you have suspicions doesn't make you right either. You think your suspicions are above reproach, and anyone trying to build a reputation potentially has ulterior motives. EVERYONE potentially has ulterior motives, even you. Your statement is retarded and demonstrates the lack of logic you carry yourself with, the gate keeping you participate in, and why I wouldn't trust you with a dirty diaper.

[DireWolfM14]

I might suspect you are a body snatcher from the planet Xenon,

You'd be wrong.  I'm booty scratcher from the planet Terra. 

that doesn't give me a right to preemptively shank you in the name of protecting your potential victims.

WTF is this, a prison yard?  Who has been "shanked?"  Demonstrable proof, please.

I wouldn't trust you with a dirty diaper.

You shouldn't.  Your dirty diapers are not my responsibility, and I refuse to be held accountable for your tendency to soil your britches.

[TECSHARE]

I might suspect you are a body snatcher from the planet Xenon,

You'd be wrong.  I'm booty scratcher from the planet Terra. 

that doesn't give me a right to preemptively shank you in the name of protecting your potential victims.

WTF is this, a prison yard?  Who has been "shanked?"  Demonstrable proof, please.

I wouldn't trust you with a dirty diaper.

You shouldn't.  Your dirty diapers are not my responsibility, and I refuse to be held accountable for your tendency to soil your britches.

Very cutesy. So cutesy I almost forgot you literally just tried use trying to build a positive reputation as justification for tagging people, claiming it is proof they could have ulterior motives. Show me the man, I will find you the crime. That is the Direpup credo.

[suchmoon]

Very cutesy. So cutesy I almost forgot you literally just tried use trying to build a positive reputation as justification for tagging people, claiming it is proof they could have ulterior motives. Show me the man, I will find you the crime. That is the Direpup credo.

Maybe you should find a few minutes to read the thread instead of repeating this nonsense. Context matters.

[TECSHARE]

Very cutesy. So cutesy I almost forgot you literally just tried use trying to build a positive reputation as justification for tagging people, claiming it is proof they could have ulterior motives. Show me the man, I will find you the crime. That is the Direpup credo.

Maybe you should find a few minutes to read the thread instead of repeating this nonsense. Context matters.

Not really, because if he had a legitimate argument he would have made it instead of making utterly retarded claims that could be applied to literally anyone he and the rest of the clowns choose to target. This is not an isolated incident of this.

[suchmoon]

Context matters.

Not really.

I'm going to use this as an excuse to barge into any thread and post any bullshit. Thank you so much. Can you add this to the guild standards?