LoyceV's Beginners guide to correct use of the Trust system

[LoyceV]

Is there a way to check my profile trust as  if I never used the trust list?

You mean through DT? Just add ;dt at the end of the url.

You beat me to it, it's actually included in the OP:

You can always add ;dt to any URL to view the forum as if you didn't set a custom Trust list (see this example).

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[Kalemder]

Thank you @LoyceV. Very useful topic.

Trust system is not known enough. Difficult to understand for new members. In fact, it is difficult for many users to understand.
So I prepared a guide in the local section before. You prepared it in more detail, so thank you.

Trust List - Trust Feedback - Trust Member

Trust Flags - DT Member Discussion Area - Trust System

Trust system works healthy if more users are active.

[LoyceV]

In the past week, these users have created a new Trust list:

Week 40 (2019-10-19_Sat_06.17h)
NEW 843439: bitcoin-shark (Trust: +0 / =0 / -1) (18 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
NEW 849797: Loganota (Trust:  neutral) (142 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
NEW 857883: Yatsan (Trust: awaiting update) (64 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
NEW 870608: th3nolo (Trust: awaiting update) (44 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
NEW 925535: Tob96 (Trust: awaiting update) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
NEW 938506: Jianx Banned! (Trust: awaiting update) (12 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
NEW 978304: Alveus (Trust: awaiting update) (55 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
NEW 1117066: Smartprofit (Trust:  neutral) (265 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
NEW 1174868: alegotardo (Trust:  neutral) (186 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
NEW 1180723: Apaxy (Trust: awaiting update) (1 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
NEW 1219334: Imperial_Hash (Trust: +2 / =0 / -0) (30 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
NEW 1764779: Lorna111 (Trust: awaiting update) (11 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
NEW 2016507: itoybtc (Trust: awaiting update) (10 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
NEW 2445602: asianguy845 (Trust: awaiting update) (0 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
NEW 2692446: saiga31 (Trust: awaiting update) (1 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)
Wiped 350984: enhu (Trust:  neutral) (1 Merit earned) (Trust list) (BPIP)

[Halab]

It seems that french members have not seen this topic, or they think they have a perfect knowledge of the Trust system (which would surprise me), so I took the time to translate your guide into french.
It's right here.

Edit :
I realized that the title was a little too long and your name was truncated. I changed the title to " Guide pour débutants sur l'utilisation correcte du système de Trust par LoyceV"

[LoyceV]

Implications of making a Trust list
Adding users to your Trust list has large recursive implications because the users you trust directly (Depth 0) make you trust the ones they trust (Depth 1), and the users they trust (Depth 2) (see details beyond beginner level).

I've updated my Personal Full Trust Depth viewer for all users, this is helpful to see the large recursive implications of a custom Trust list. I think most users don't recognize many of the users on their Depth 1, let alone their Depth 2.

[Steamtyme]

I've been trying to think up a video to add to my list for "trust" and "feedback". I actually bumped it further back, after account recovery in my plan as I felt it deserved more time and thought than a lot of the subjects I'm trying to cover. My plan does entail so far linking to your topic for the in-depth reading on the system for people beyond my video. It works well, as I've felt we've had the same ideas, and thoughts on problems people run into confusing the 2 systems. It's probably 2 weeks away, but when I get a rough cut together, I'll PM you if that's fine to get your opinion.

[LoyceV]

I'll PM you if that's fine to get your opinion.

Sure, go ahead

[Rikafip]

I made Croatian translation of your guide. Here is the link so you can add it to the local board translations

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5202182.0

[dkbit98]

Suggestion:
- Is there a way we can see 'private feedback' feature?

It can be a way to have personal private feedback for members that would not be visible to other members.
For example, if I want to create feedback to specific member that only I can see, and it should not be public.
If I decide to make it public, I would click on public button.

[LoyceV]

Suggestion:
- Is there a way we can see 'private feedback' feature?

This isn't the right place to make forum suggestions: you can make a topic in Meta if you want.

It can be a way to have personal private feedback for members that would not be visible to other members.
For example, if I want to create feedback to specific member that only I can see, and it should not be public.
If I decide to make it public, I would click on public button.

So basically you want to have a field to take notes on a profile. I don't think it's likely to be implemented, you can use neutral feedback for that (or your own notes somewhere on your computer if you want it to be private).

[blurryeyed]

Suggestion:
- Is there a way we can see 'private feedback' feature?

No. But it is possible to see which users have deleted their own posts in an effort hide their dodgy past behavior, like you have done - even way back to 10th December 2017 when Yobit created your account.

Would you like me to show you yours?

You lying trust abuser.

Edited as per request:

I believe this is a fine example of trust abuse:



Source:  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1064824.msg20344174#msg20344174

Calling out scammers & accounts that have been used to promote them comes at a cost, I realize that & have no problem with it, but for them to go unpunished for such blatant trust abuse is very disappointing - especially when accounts erase their posts to hide their past like dkbit98 did.

It's a shame there's no tool available to see the deleted posts when they go back so far (in the case of dkbit98 nearly two years ago) - do you know if forum admins are able to retrieve them?

[LoyceV]

You lying trust abuser.

Your post is off-topic, except (maybe) the part about trust abuse. Can you edit in an example of what you believe is Trust abuse so it's on-topic again?

[blurryeyed]

You lying trust abuser.

Your post is off-topic, except (maybe) the part about trust abuse. Can you edit in an example of what you believe is Trust abuse so it's on-topic again?

Done. Sorry about that.

[Zwei]

Arabic Translation: دليل للإستخدام الصحيح لنظام الثقة

VecyoL once said: Bump!

Why are looking here LoyceV

[2double0]

What can be done when a DT abuses their trust?
And what about trust ratings that are being given for spamming?
Isn't the trust system solely for risked money purposes where we give a rating to someone when either of us risked money or got some money from the other party as loan or through any trade? Why are other things included in trust feedbacks?

[Steamtyme]

What can be done when a DT abuses their trust?

First you make an appeal to the individual involved either via PM, or by creating a reputation thread. If that goes nowhere the thread can serve as a discussion in the open about whether the offence deserves a negative. Following this you can appeal to individuals that have included them in their trust lists, to request they be removed. If that all fails there really isn't much to be done, people can tag freely as they see fit, it's up to the community whether they make DT or not.

And what about trust ratings that are being given for spamming?

These aren't Negative tag offences. People should if they feel it necessary tag neutral in this instance. theymos has stated spamming and such should be handled by moderators and admins.

Isn't the trust system solely for risked money purposes where we give a rating to someone when either of us risked money or got some money from the other party as loan or through any trade? Why are other things included in trust feedbacks?

Not entirely, it has to do with feedback about the individuals, or if you perceive them to be a risk to scam. Neutrals, probably my favorite admission is great for "personal" preference notations. Positives are handed out similar to negatives, more inline with I this user is a great resource or helpful to the community - though I would rather just see people include them in their trust list as opposed to just positive feedback for those cases.

Hope that helps.

[eddie13]

I have been thinking for a while that it would be fun, and possibly even productively educational, to create a big online test/quiz about all of the various systems, etiquette, and history of Bitcointalk..

I have looked a few times at "free online quiz makers" but they all have too many limits on how many questions you can make and how many responses can be made etc..

I think a beginner level test would be good to include just the most pertinent and commonly useful knowledge, and then a very difficult advanced test that most users could be proud to get even 90% on for a good challenge especially if many users would be interested in submitting questions/answers multiple choice style to get a wide range of questions..

[Coyster]

I have been thinking for a while that it would be fun, and possibly even productively educational, to create a big online test/quiz about all of the various systems, etiquette, and history of Bitcointalk.

It will indeed be fun, and it will be a nice test on who really has in depth knowledge of some of the policies used in and around the forum, and also it would trigger users to find out more than they already know about the history of the forum.
I'm sure there will be a lot of high ranked users that'll be willing to assist you in this, coming up with possible questions is one way they can be of help, giving out merits to users who performed excellently is another way, etc.

especially if many users would be interested in submitting questions/answers multiple choice style to get a wide range of questions..

I'm sure they will, it all sounds interesting, so why not. Happy new year to you mate.

[eddie13]

so why not

Probably need someone to make a website for the quiz or find something that will work..
You have any ideas?

[Coyster]

You have any ideas?

I'm not really good in creating a website(though I'll make enquiries)but I can also help in other ways. How about starting a new thread, you could probably get a forum user who can get this problem solved, don't you think.