@jollygood
I'm sorry but you come in here all high and mighty making a huge post about all these huge "RED FLAGS" and claims. Most of them have now been resolved and those that haven't are being worked on.
I was not high and mighty at all. I simply presented my concerns with evidence in that post you refer to which I have copied it below.
Of the three red flags I raised none have been resolved but you claim most of them have been resolved.
Absolutely no believable explanation has been provided as to first why so many newbies posted here and second why several of those newbies have had recent 'email address changes' or have been 'recently woken up' miraculously found this thread when they had more of chance of finding Bitcoin, Ethereum or XRP threads. The possible explanations provided for those two things happening do nothing except insult the intelligence of those reading them.
As for the website with its atrocious errors, all that has happened is that the terms and conditions link and the policy links have been diverted to the home page of the website but as you said that is being worked on.
First of all I have to say I looked at the OP and read all of the 50 current posts in the thread at the time I posted this. I then I went to the website to look around.
In a nutshell, there are too many red flags for any investor to actually take this seriously. Maybe some bounty hunters would consider participating for some of those 7000 tokens up for grabs even if they know this project is not trustworthy because they might hope to sell as soon as they can providing they even receive their bounty in the first place.
So, here are some of the problems surrounding this project which makes me advise all potential investors and all potential bounty participants to stay well away from it.
RED FLAG #1 - The number of newbies attracted to this project- There are a total of 50 posts in this thread excluding my one. Mine is post #51:
- Thread Page 1 posts:
OP=5 Newbies=14 Full Member=1- Thread Page 2 posts:
OP=8 Newbies=6 Full Member=2 Member=2 Legendary=2- Thread Page 3 posts:
OP=3 Newbies=3 Full Member=1 Member=1 Hero Member=1 Snr Member=1Of the posts made in this thread (excluding posts from the thread starter and those questioning its integrity necromastery x1, mine x1 and mosprognoz x1), it is dominated with newbies making around 72% (or 23 out of 32) posts.
RED FLAG #2 - The background of those newbies attracted to this project- I will not focus on this aspect too much because there are too many newbies to list but picking up on just a handful from the first page of this thread.
User
Pierre Dilecto in particular made laugh with an unbelievable amount of knowledge in this field compared to the other sock-puppets, just read his two posts.
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October 18, 2017, 09:25:56 PM then after over 2 years absence miraculously found this thread to make one post 3 days ago then went silent again
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RED FLAG #3 - The website is unforgivably pathetichttps://www.zentoshi.com/about-us- It tells us nothing about who the actual people are with full names behind this
project are
- It tells us nothing about any LLC that might be owning this
project such as location, name, incorporation number - nothing
- The links in the footer for the "Terms and Conditions" and the "Policy" do not work, they are diverted to:
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https://www.cips.org/Documents/Resources/Downloadable%20documents/CoreClausesBoilerPlate.pdf)
- the footer shows "© 2019 All rights reserved. Zentoshi Limited Liability Company" which allowed a quick search to bring this up:
https://www.bizapedia.com/wy/zentoshi-limited-liability-company.htmlThis information should be available in the About Us pages and via the FAQ too but it is not there along with names. MICHAEL WEINRUB is listed as the Organiser.
I can add more red flags but will stop here as I made my point. As mentioned earlier I would advise all potential investors and all potential bounty participants to stay well away from this project.
As for the viability of this project along with the ethos, objectives and technology behind it, it requires more investigation but for now I will stop short of calling this project a scam because so far:
- they have made ridiculous errors on their website which will most probably be blamed on an oversight
- seem to have deliberately hidden real information about the team behind this project
- they have some sort of sock-puppet paid shills service pumping this Announcement thread
- Not linked directly on their website for visitors again not giving full Team information:
https://www.zentoshi.com/media/Zentoshi-Whitepaper-SD.pdfThey have said the T&C issue will be sorted and it will but it is the weekend (Sunday) and not everyone is readily available on call 24/7 for a matter that while you may find as hugely important, in the grand scheme of things it is not exactly priority number one and can wait until Monday.
The best course of action in a scenario which you describe would have been to holding page on the website until those essentials were added.
As for my "condescending manner" and "misdirection" maybe it's because you came in here making a huge post with big "RED FLAGS" based on your professional assessment of the project, just stopping short of calling the entire project a scam. I personally have taken offence to that knowing the work that people have put into Zentoshi by actually talking to the team and working with them despite me only joining them 2 weeks ago.
It makes no difference how hard the team have worked and it makes no difference how long you have been part of a project you will receive payment for, you are employed to promote them in return for tokens they will give you. Your comment above which is the one I highlighted seems designed more to impress your employers and seems to express your frustration at being unable to represent or promote any project in a diligent manner with common courtesy being at the forefront.
So yeah I fully admit I am a bit pissed off with this thread turning into a shitshow as it undermines all the work that has been done to get Zentoshi ready for launch.
Then you really should never have jumped on board this project. You were hired to promote this project, you brought it here to this forum knowing you will never be able to control the narrative because users will ask questions and then dissect as well as analyse those answers.
I still have no intention of calling this project a scam because I think it is not a scam. I will not hesitate to make a scam thread or back up an existing one if I see something that warrants it but I do not see this as a scam....
Here is what seems evident:
- The claims being made are from an inexperienced team consisting of a collective member group far smaller than they actually are
- The team are a group of people who will never make even a iota of difference to any technology (internet, blockchain, commerce etc) with this project because they are dreamers
- If it ever does get started the team will get bored and tired of the 'project' very soon and it will become one of many hundreds that simply failed with token holders losing money but the team will obviously make money
Gross incompetence does not equate to scam but since this thread has been side-tracked from the contents of the announcement to questions surrounding the integrity of the team, it seems the biggest mistake the project owners made was hiring you. If you are responsible for being their social media and promotions manager then the buck stops with you because it would have been impossible for those sock-puppets and paid shills to post here unless they were guided here. If the OP claims ignorance about sock-puppets and paid shills then you cannot.