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[inthelongrun]

I highly doubt that Dana will make any collaborations that have to do with Ngannou. Dana White is not at peace right now after Ngannou successfully lured the other big organizations to offer him big contracts. Dana will find peace only if Ngannou losses his boxing tune-up (unlikely) this year which means devaluing his market and of course the PPV numbers after his PFL debut which is expected to happen next year.

But even at the moment, I am hearing rumors which are normal for the remaining UFC stars with lesser contracts but are already proven with their PPV numbers. Well, actually most of UFC's champions have higher PPV numbers than Ngannou. Dana might be forced to change his style in computing PPV shares to his stars which is very very small compared to Ngannou's 50% with PFL.

I have different opinion. Ngannou wants to fight only top boxers. He has named 3 persons, Fury, AJ and Wilder. All of them are able (and most likely do) to destroy Ngannou in boxing. Not just win, but KO him. I think Dana would put maximum effort to spoil Ngannou possible boxing fight. Like running an UFC event with big names parallelly. It will also harm UFC, but that will shit greatly boxing event with stealing viewers.

But, I think Dana wont be doing anything like that. I think he has left Ngannou case already, but the fact that he comment on that is just the fact that he is only answering question. I think Dana is no longer obsessed with Ngannou. Like with Fedor Emelianenko. He wanted to sign him badly, offered him millions, but after a number of failed, dropped that idea and is no longer interested in that fight. Same goes with Dana and Ngannou. This is already past for him, and as a man behind UFC wheel, he build future, not paying attention to past.

Ngannou will have a boxing tune-up this year so it's most likely a weaker opposition and someone that makes Ngannou win in an impressive fashion as much as possible. And if his dream comes true facing either Fury, Aj, or Wilder, of course, he will get destroyed.

Dana is not obsessed with Ngannou but he is well aware of the financial risks once Ngannou will have a very successful PPV event on his PFL debut. The UFC is earning a lot of money on its PPV events and this might change once its fighters will start demanding a higher share percentage. Besides, if PFL will get even with the same PPV numbers as the UFC, it will become capable of offering UFC stars with higher PPV shares.

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[notblox1]

Dana is not obsessed with Ngannou but he is well aware of the financial risks once Ngannou will have a very successful PPV event on his PFL debut. The UFC is earning a lot of money on its PPV events and this might change once its fighters will start demanding a higher share percentage. Besides, if PFL will get even with the same PPV numbers as the UFC, it will become capable of offering UFC stars with higher PPV shares.

Randy Couture said that Croatian fighter Ante Delija would make a great debut opponent for Francis Ngannou in the PFL, and I agree with him.
Few days ago Delija was one of my suggestions to fight against Ngannou, and many people dont know that he is in good relationship with MMA legend Mirko Crocop,
and maybe Stipe Miocic could help Delija to prepare for this fight and give him some tips how to fight against Ngannou, he already beat him once in 2018.
To be fair I think that Ngannou would be huge favorite in that fight, but Delija should not be underestimated.
Randy Couture interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGKCLO3sTr0

[TopTort777]

Ngannou has created such a fame during his UFC era, that in any sports he will looks like a favourite. Even if it ice hockey or dancing.

Delija is a good matchup for Ngannou. There is just one problem with that fight. Delija seems to be the strongest or best heavyweight PFL has. In Ngannou wins, and wins easily, there will be no big interest in watching his next fights there, as he would beat already the best they've got. If only they would sign someone else.

[notblox1]

Delija is a good matchup for Ngannou. There is just one problem with that fight. Delija seems to be the strongest or best heavyweight PFL has. In Ngannou wins, and wins easily, there will be no big interest in watching his next fights there, as he would beat already the best they've got. If only they would sign someone else.

That is why PFL is going to hire new heavyweight fighters and I am almost sure someone from UFC will transition and sign to PFL
I saw Dana White saying that he doesnt understand why PFL is doing with this, but I think he understands very well and he is afraid.
He is really desperate and now he is willing to accept Jon Jones fighting against Tyson Fury  in boxing   

[inthelongrun]

Delija is a good matchup for Ngannou. There is just one problem with that fight. Delija seems to be the strongest or best heavyweight PFL has. In Ngannou wins, and wins easily, there will be no big interest in watching his next fights there, as he would beat already the best they've got. If only they would sign someone else.

That is why PFL is going to hire new heavyweight fighters and I am almost sure someone from UFC will transition and sign to PFL
I saw Dana White saying that he doesnt understand why PFL is doing with this, but I think he understands very well and he is afraid.
He is really desperate and now he is willing to accept Jon Jones fighting against Tyson Fury  in boxing   

Given Ngannou's age, he might not really be as dangerous as he was before. Pretty sure all heavyweight prospects in MMA right now with lesser contracts have their eyes on PFL once they became free agents. And of course, Dana White knows what's going on in the industry and he is keeping an eye especially if PFL starts offering bigger contracts to fighters in other divisions.

From my understanding, Dana White will entertain Tyson Fury to face Jon Jones in UFC. So it means MMA rules? Or is Dana now willing to stage boxing rules inside the octagon? Because there is zero chance that Tyson Fury will consider MMA rules. He might not even listen to Dana or Jones' proposals knowing he is the $20 million per fight guy and will dictate the terms. If he ducked Usyk and is scared to bring the fight to neutral Saudi, how much more in MMA rules.

[owengtam09]

This is the only way for Ngannou to let everyone know and clear every doubt that he is the best Heavyweight fighter no matter where he is and the UFC cannot decline that kind of offer if Ngannou will win some fights after he signed on PFL. He just needs to prove himself after a minimum of two fights and he can call out Dana to make it happen when they gonna reject that offer, then it's a win for Ngannou because he took the necessary reason to prove himself and the one who is running away is the UFC. They will need a real logical answer for the fans because that just doesn't make sense if they easily decline it.

If you would think about it Francis Ngannou here forth can do anything now if he got all his fights on a winning streak even his boxing matches then there is likely no debate all I can think of is a collaboration of PFL and the UFC to make a big fight event Jon Jones VS Francis Ngannou that is surely one big event for sure, that is for Dana White if he wants that kind of offer because Dana White is frustrated about what is happening right now he then accept a boxing match for Jon Jones and Tyson Fury, so for sure he can make some decision for this to happen,

I have different opinion. Ngannou wants to fight only top boxers. He has named 3 persons, Fury, AJ and Wilder. All of them are able (and most likely do) to destroy Ngannou in boxing. Not just win, but KO him. I think Dana would put maximum effort to spoil Ngannou possible boxing fight. Like running an UFC event with big names parallelly. It will also harm UFC, but that will shit greatly boxing event with stealing viewers.

But, I think Dana wont be doing anything like that. I think he has left Ngannou case already, but the fact that he comment on that is just the fact that he is only answering question. I think Dana is no longer obsessed with Ngannou. Like with Fedor Emelianenko. He wanted to sign him badly, offered him millions, but after a number of failed, dropped that idea and is no longer interested in that fight. Same goes with Dana and Ngannou. This is already past for him, and as a man behind UFC wheel, he build future, not paying attention to past.

I think Francis Ngannou also had enough of Dana White aswell for not responding to those offers back then but right now maybe this boxing match that Dana White allowed for Jon Jones against Tyson Fury is something to throw off the PFL contract news or this is Dana White's true color being biased to his favorite fighters,

Ngannou has created such a fame during his UFC era, that in any sports he will looks like a favourite. Even if it ice hockey or dancing.

Delija is a good matchup for Ngannou. There is just one problem with that fight. Delija seems to be the strongest or best heavyweight PFL has. In Ngannou wins, and wins easily, there will be no big interest in watching his next fights there, as he would beat already the best they've got. If only they would sign someone else.

Ngannou is just that and every Heavyweight wants the right now position and fame, and now the contract with the PFL is surely Juicy enough a lot of fighters are requesting something the same and they deserve it,

Now there are sure Heavyweights that the PFL can consider as an opponent for Francis Ngannou and yeah the walking trouble could also be a good fight for him and you are right Delija can surely be a great set up for him not Denis Goltsov or Maurice Greene, those are relics but still a big fight for Ngannou but a good banger of a fight could surely be Ante Delija the Walking Trouble,

[tusandii]

Delija is a good matchup for Ngannou. There is just one problem with that fight. Delija seems to be the strongest or best heavyweight PFL has. In Ngannou wins, and wins easily, there will be no big interest in watching his next fights there, as he would beat already the best they've got. If only they would sign someone else.

That is why PFL is going to hire new heavyweight fighters and I am almost sure someone from UFC will transition and sign to PFL
I saw Dana White saying that he doesnt understand why PFL is doing with this, but I think he understands very well and he is afraid.
He is really desperate and now he is willing to accept Jon Jones fighting against Tyson Fury  in boxing   

It's possible that the PFL will soon recruit new fighters from the UFC at heavyweight to be able to meet Ngannou, but it seems not for Jon Jones.
If Daniel Cormier doesn't decide to retire and his age allows him to fight maybe he can become Ngannou's opponent for the PFL heavyweight title and this will be a very amazing fight because the two former UFC heavyweight champions can meet to fight again, but unfortunately Daniel Cormier is already old impossible to fight anymore.
Dana White may have thought that the PFL could develop even more because they always bring in great fighters even though they are former champions from the UFC.

[TopTort777]

Delija is a good matchup for Ngannou. There is just one problem with that fight. Delija seems to be the strongest or best heavyweight PFL has. In Ngannou wins, and wins easily, there will be no big interest in watching his next fights there, as he would beat already the best they've got. If only they would sign someone else.

That is why PFL is going to hire new heavyweight fighters and I am almost sure someone from UFC will transition and sign to PFL
I saw Dana White saying that he doesnt understand why PFL is doing with this, but I think he understands very well and he is afraid.
He is really desperate and now he is willing to accept Jon Jones fighting against Tyson Fury  in boxing   

LOL, that is not just desperate, that is pathetic. I dont know all their background kitchen, but I would not make such desperate moves to attract attention to UFC. UFC still have a lot planned fights that would make good ticket and PPV sales.

What I dont like about Ngannou and PFL, is that he has now right to influence on decisions. He could push on signing heavyweights that will be convenient for him to beat. But what I like that he must try to steal some heavyweights from UFC. I think UFC has recently released on of decent heavyweight. Dont remember the name, but he that tall, fat and strong body like Tuivasa and Tafa.

[cygan]

on 03.06. the ksw 83 event will take place under the name collosseum 2. there will be the following 3 title fights: Marian Ziółkowski (poland, 6-2-0) vs Salahdine Parnasse (france, 9-1-0) for the lightweight belt, then it comes to the cage duel between Paweł Pawlak (poland, 3-0-0) vs Tomasz Romanowski (poland, 6-1-0) for the middleweight belt and the third title fight for the bantamwight belt will be contested by Jakub Wikłacz (poland, 4-1-0) vs Werlleson Martins (brazil, 2-1-0).
the fight all the fans are waiting and excited for then is the cage duel between ksw legend Mamed Khalidov (poland, 20-4-2) and englishman Scott Askham (4-1-0)

[YuginKadoya]

Ngannou will have a boxing tune-up this year so it's most likely a weaker opposition and someone that makes Ngannou win in an impressive fashion as much as possible. And if his dream comes true facing either Fury, Aj, or Wilder, of course, he will get destroyed.

Dana is not obsessed with Ngannou but he is well aware of the financial risks once Ngannou will have a very successful PPV event on his PFL debut. The UFC is earning a lot of money on its PPV events and this might change once its fighters will start demanding a higher share percentage. Besides, if PFL will get even with the same PPV numbers as the UFC, it will become capable of offering UFC stars with higher PPV shares.

A boxing tune-up would be a good experience for Ngannou but if they are picking a fight they should pick a well to deserve surely they can not pick a boxer that could likely win, but they could surely pick a sparring match for Ngannou to get him to look good, to ready him for the best match he wants

Well Dana White is done with Francis Ngannou the fact that he doesn't like him boils down and landing a contract with PFL but I don't know if the 1st fight with Ngannou would be successful enough to reach certain revenue, but let's hope and see for ourselves,

It's possible that the PFL will soon recruit new fighters from the UFC at heavyweight to be able to meet Ngannou, but it seems not for Jon Jones.
If Daniel Cormier doesn't decide to retire and his age allows him to fight maybe he can become Ngannou's opponent for the PFL heavyweight title and this will be a very amazing fight because the two former UFC heavyweight champions can meet to fight again, but unfortunately Daniel Cormier is already old impossible to fight anymore.
Dana White may have thought that the PFL could develop even more because they always bring in great fighters even though they are former champions from the UFC.

I really don't see Daniel Cormier fighting again, and he has the best job right now so he surely won't fight anybody for sure, and looking at Cormier I really don't see him getting in shape to fight anybody  and likely he doesn't have the talent and potential of Jon Jones his job it too good to be stained in the octagon again,

But for PFL to get some UFC fighters after the contract signing of Ngannoue there is a highly unlikely chance, that some UFC would switch to PFL for a better payroll for sure,

[tusandii]

It's possible that the PFL will soon recruit new fighters from the UFC at heavyweight to be able to meet Ngannou, but it seems not for Jon Jones.
If Daniel Cormier doesn't decide to retire and his age allows him to fight maybe he can become Ngannou's opponent for the PFL heavyweight title and this will be a very amazing fight because the two former UFC heavyweight champions can meet to fight again, but unfortunately Daniel Cormier is already old impossible to fight anymore.
Dana White may have thought that the PFL could develop even more because they always bring in great fighters even though they are former champions from the UFC.

I really don't see Daniel Cormier fighting again, and he has the best job right now so he surely won't fight anybody for sure, and looking at Cormier I really don't see him getting in shape to fight anybody  and likely he doesn't have the talent and potential of Jon Jones his job it too good to be stained in the octagon again,

But for PFL to get some UFC fighters after the contract signing of Ngannoue there is a highly unlikely chance, that some UFC would switch to PFL for a better payroll for sure,

Yes, you are right and I am also just giving an assumption if Daniel Cormier does not retire and his age is still possible to fight because we all know that Daniel Cormier has retired and will never come back to fight again.
Jon Jones is quite the favorite in the UFC heavyweight division and it seems that for now there is no fighter who can match him in the UFC octagon.

But it could be that the PFL offers a more lucrative contract than the UFC so that some fighters are willing to transition to the PFL and this is very possible as the PFL looks to be growing over time.

[notblox1]

I really don't see Daniel Cormier fighting again, and he has the best job right now so he surely won't fight anybody for sure, and looking at Cormier I really don't see him getting in shape to fight anybody  and likely he doesn't have the talent and potential of Jon Jones his job it too good to be stained in the octagon again,

With 44 years he is not getting any younger and Jon Jones would easily beat him again.
Cormier was a good fighter once but I never liked his style of fighting or his commentary work because he doesnt know how to be neutral when commenting fights.
He is so fat now that fighting again on professional level is mission impossible for him, but I think he still works with kids and practice at his gym with lighter trainings.

But it could be that the PFL offers a more lucrative contract than the UFC so that some fighters are willing to transition to the PFL and this is very possible as the PFL looks to be growing over time.

They will sign more heavyweight fighters soon but that wont be guys like Daniel Cormier who didnt step in octagon cage for years, and Dana White would not approve or like that his commentator is fighting for PFL 
I see a lot more potential with younger fighters and with fighters who dont have good relationship with Dana, maybe Stipe Miocic.

[YuginKadoya]

Yes, you are right and I am also just giving an assumption if Daniel Cormier does not retire and his age is still possible to fight because we all know that Daniel Cormier has retired and will never come back to fight again.
Jon Jones is quite the favorite in the UFC heavyweight division and it seems that for now there is no fighter who can match him in the UFC octagon.

But it could be that the PFL offers a more lucrative contract than the UFC so that some fighters are willing to transition to the PFL and this is very possible as the PFL looks to be growing over time.

A possibility for Cormier to still fight and at his prime against Jon Jones I really think Jones can still win this even though that KO win for Jones was switched to be a No Contest and was stripped of the title after he tested positive for a Turinabol metabolite, but I really think Jon Jones now is a different beast than what Daniel Cormier fight in his prime self,

With 44 years he is not getting any younger and Jon Jones would easily beat him again.
Cormier was a good fighter once but I never liked his style of fighting or his commentary work because he doesnt know how to be neutral when commenting fights.
He is so fat now that fighting again on professional level is mission impossible for him, but I think he still works with kids and practice at his gym with lighter trainings.

Just like you, I don't want to see him inside the Octagon aswell, well I really don't like him but I don't like his style of fighting, even though he age down or even at his prime I don't want to see him ever again fight, well it is good that he teaches kids of Martial Arts that was great but maybe retired in being a biased commentator, I agree with you,


And on the UFC news, Conor McGregor is going to be tested by USADA on having his fight with Michael Chandler, while Conor McGregor is a walking PPV this guy can literally draw out money on his fights so Chandler could be thankful enough for Conor to fight him, and I think next was Israel Adesanya is another cash cow for the UFC, I mean this two and add to this next was Colby Covington, I think this is some guys that are active right now that could draw big PPV in the UFC,

Well, this is just my opinion what you guys think?

[notblox1]

Just like you, I don't want to see him inside the Octagon aswell, well I really don't like him but I don't like his style of fighting, even though he age down or even at his prime I don't want to see him ever again fight, well it is good that he teaches kids of Martial Arts that was great but maybe retired in being a biased commentator, I agree with you,

Only thing I could see Cormier fighting again is WWE like Ronda Rousey did, but that is not real fighting, it is more like theater acting.

Scott Coker and Bellator just announced special collaboration with Rizin, one of the biggest MMA organization from Japan!
This two MMA organizations will work together in making more cross promotional fights like one that happened in December of last year.
Bellator X Rizin 2 will take place in Saitama Super Arena near Tokyo on July 30 this year.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIKk28WJWxs

[TopTort777]

Cool. I wonder what kind of collaboration it is going to be. Bellator vs Rizin fighters ? Bellator champs vs Rizin champs? (Rizin currenly has only lightweight and bantamweight champs) Or just Bellator fights are going to be held on that super arena ? Freak fight ? As Akebono and Charles "Krazy horse" Bennett are still in Rizins roster

[YuginKadoya]

Just like you, I don't want to see him inside the Octagon aswell, well I really don't like him but I don't like his style of fighting, even though he age down or even at his prime I don't want to see him ever again fight, well it is good that he teaches kids of Martial Arts that was great but maybe retired in being a biased commentator, I agree with you,

Only thing I could see Cormier fighting again is WWE like Ronda Rousey did, but that is not real fighting, it is more like theater acting.

Scott Coker and Bellator just announced special collaboration with Rizin, one of the biggest MMA organization from Japan!
This two MMA organizations will work together in making more cross promotional fights like one that happened in December of last year.
Bellator X Rizin 2 will take place in Saitama Super Arena near Tokyo on July 30 this year.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AIKk28WJWxs

Oh! I would like to see that, and you are right now that the UFC and the WWE are now partners with one another I think this could surely happen even though he is not fighting now he could have acted with the WWE superstars but this could be possible if he would likely want to with Ronda Rousey and the other guys in wrestling they could surely teach Cormier on how to pull his punches and make it as a punch that make sound that is

That is a likely collaboration and because there are so many collaboration that is happening now, and the PFL with Francis Ngannou, I see this as a collaboration sort and not a contract signing, collaboration of Fury with the UFC boxing if that could make it forward, it could happen, I think the Bellator and Rizin should make noise themselves for the fans of Bellator and Rizin that is,

Cool. I wonder what kind of collaboration it is going to be. Bellator vs Rizin fighters ? Bellator champs vs Rizin champs? (Rizin currenly has only lightweight and bantamweight champs) Or just Bellator fights are going to be held on that super arena ? Freak fight ? As Akebono and Charles "Krazy horse" Bennett are still in Rizins roster

Rizin is from Japan so likely that Japanese fighters are just in the division of Lightweight and Bantamweight mostly I really think this has already happened back then it was December 31, 2022, and it is called Bellator MMA vs. RIZIN 1, and the Main event was AJ McKee Jr. of Bellator MMA against Roberto de Souza of Rizin, mostly all cards were domination for Bellator, and now what you are saying here is the upcoming collaboration between these two fighting companies, and it is called Bellator MMA vs. RIZIN 2 and this will be on July 31, this year,

[yazher]

Rizin is from Japan so likely that Japanese fighters are just in the division of Lightweight and Bantamweight mostly I really think this has already happened back then it was December 31, 2022, and it is called Bellator MMA vs. RIZIN 1, and the Main event was AJ McKee Jr. of Bellator MMA against Roberto de Souza of Rizin, mostly all cards were domination for Bellator, and now what you are saying here is the upcoming collaboration between these two fighting companies, and it is called Bellator MMA vs. RIZIN 2 and this will be on July 31, this year,

I never had any idea that they held such an event before I wonder if this is also possible with the UFC? If they had real champions in both, they could have this and they can make lots of money from it but as we know the UFC doesn't need these MMA companies or they don't want to help them further increase their audience because when it comes for the UFC, they are the number one MMA company out there and when they accept to do this kind of thing, they also gave them huge publicity and audiences which will be going to become permanent fans at least for most people who will watch that fight collaboration.

[notblox1]

Cool. I wonder what kind of collaboration it is going to be. Bellator vs Rizin fighters ? Bellator champs vs Rizin champs? (Rizin currenly has only lightweight and bantamweight champs) Or just Bellator fights are going to be held on that super arena ? Freak fight ? As Akebono and Charles "Krazy horse" Bennett are still in Rizins roster

A.J. McKee vs Patricky Freire and Kai Asakura vs Juan Archuleta are two main fights scheduled for Bellator vs Rizin 2 on July 30.
More fights will be added and details revealed for full fight card, but there is more time for this to happen.
I dont know many fighters from Rizin but I like the idea of this event.

[YuginKadoya]

I never had any idea that they held such an event before I wonder if this is also possible with the UFC? If they had real champions in both, they could have this and they can make lots of money from it but as we know the UFC doesn't need these MMA companies or they don't want to help them further increase their audience because when it comes for the UFC, they are the number one MMA company out there and when they accept to do this kind of thing, they also gave them huge publicity and audiences which will be going to become permanent fans at least for most people who will watch that fight collaboration.

Well, Rizin and Bellator need to do something like this so they can attract more audience and I think they had a unique setting in this that likely many had liked, but for sure Rizin is popular in their country while Bellator had a few fans that were only founded on 2008, while LFA was only 7 years old but they are making the news because of Francis Ngannou, so collaboration is really needed by Rizin and Bellator if I am not mistaken I have posted the 1st Rizin X Bellator collaboration in this thread just back read a few pages back, maybe you will see it,

Well UFC wouldn't need any collaboration with the other combat sports because they are bigger than all of them combine, and surely UFC has already evolved and have rules that some Combat sports do not have sure alone UFC is a formidable company that doesn't need anything well WWE is a different collaboration because it is now a property of Endeavor Group Holdings Inc,

A.J. McKee vs Patricky Freire and Kai Asakura vs Juan Archuleta are two main fights scheduled for Bellator vs Rizin 2 on July 30.
More fights will be added and details revealed for full fight card, but there is more time for this to happen.
I dont know many fighters from Rizin but I like the idea of this event.

For sure you have already seen my link, there are only 3 fight cards that are available for now, but as you have said it will add more fights, and because the fight will be on July 31, 2023, it is still early they can surely some favorites for both combat sports on the 1st collaboration Rizin was mostly defeated by Bellator fighters but surely if Rizin could come up on providing some support for their fighters I think they can likely do it,

[TopTort777]

Just a crazy idea and a question. Imagine they have fights where Bellator champs fights Rizin champ. What will happen with the belt? Is it possible that Bellator fighter will hold a Rizin belt and they have to make same collaboration event again for Rizin to try to take belt back? Like in boxing, when fighters hold several belts from different organizations. And the opponent that is just contender for a WBO belt, and all of a sudden became an absolute champ.