Irony on bitcointalk

[xtraelv]

Looking for some posts on bitcointalk that in retrospect are ironic - please post them here.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=211858.0





https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=306878.msg3290091#msg3290091

[TMAN]

karpellees looks like a fat lesbian. Even with the few bill he stole he will always look like a fat lesbian

[The Sceptical Chymist]

karpellees looks like a fat lesbian.

LOL.  I can't believe a guy like him came to control an exchange as large as Mt. Gox was at the time.  Nor can I believe that he was able to shut out all the other Mt. Gox employees from the goings on in the company so that in the end they didn't know what the hell was going on.  Crazy, crazy.  And man, if he isn't one of the strangest human beings I've ever seen--and I've seen quite a few.  I came onto the bitcoin scene sort of right when that debacle was going down, but at the time I didn't understand exactly what was happening.

Also LOL at the Tradefortress post.  That was before my time on the forum, but I'm generally aware of how big a scam he pulled.  Am I correct in assuming that someone else controls that account these days?  I've seen posts by him not too long ago, but I can't remember if it's the original owner.

[Last of the V8s]

............. I have been away for quite a time. ....................

https://archive.is/muNnt

[TMAN]

LOL.  I can't believe a guy like him

no offence to anyone who plays Magic the gathering, I am sure it is a great and fun game - but the stereotype of players are all fat and smelly - some also look like lesbians (i am not against lesbians in anyway - lesbian porn is my favorite type of porn)

but men who smell and look like lesbians should not by human order be able to get into a position like him. as you can guess he is on my shitlist. I have a handful of RL mates who are out to the tune of 1K BTC due to him.. the fat cunt that he is

[The-One-Above-All]

This is going to be a FANTASTIC THREAD...

Let's get started with the super ironic...hehe  I hope this thread is not just ironic posts "some" members made right??


CONTEXT SELLING ACCOUNTS... here we go..

The build up hehe

Wow, lotta mass propaganda supporters in here.

The truth is, there's no good argument as to why this should be allowed. Just a bunch of greedy ones.

Fixed. I've still yet to see any proof of accounts being sold to be used for 'mass propganda'.

Who cares what the person is gonna do with the account? Whatever it is, it is BULLSHIT because they are pretending to be a different person. This makes them a liar, an impostor, a bullshitter.

And here you are a staff member defending this behavior.

You guys are greedy beyond belief. What would Satoshi say if he read about this? I can't help but think he would say you destroyed the original intention of his forum and turned it into a breeding ground for scum and villainy.

I think the main rationale and reasoning for allowing accounts to be sold is because allowing them lets others know that the practice can and does go on and banning them may give people a false sense of security, not to mention banning their sale will not stop the behaviour from happening and only push it further underground and into obscurity.

This forum also doesn't moderate or ban scammers, but that doesn't mean we allow or encourage them nor do we profit from it in any way from it.

Still, you are impersonating somebody unless you disclaim that you bought their account, which never happens. So buying accounts is a 100% dishonest manuver. Its never been used for an honest purpose because pretending to be somebody you are not is lying.

I dunno, while I appreciate your explanation, it still just seems that you are sticking up for criminals at the end of the day. I really don't understand how you guys can live with yourselves knowing how many crimes are committed here on a daily basis. I certainly hope you don't actually believe you are contributing to some benevolent force in the world because you are not.

You're just telling thieves and scammers its OK to be a thief and scammer here. In the end it will decrease your revenue, not mine.

Maybe, but you need to include people from all countries, backgrounds, religions, political persuasions, etc. After taking all that into account and extracting a common denominator I bet that you'd have a pretty sparse definition of what "good" is.

The fact of the matter is account buying has never been used for anything decent. The basic, underlying value of the account is the identity attached to it, which the purchaser is now assuming as his own, which is a crime in most countries.

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/impersonation

So morally from a global standpoint pretending to be somebody you are not is a bad thing because people don't like being fooled. Its a universal desire to not be fooled, aka lied to, and country or background has nothing to do with it.

I'm going to start a thread listing all the bought accounts I see trying to scam people and encourage others to add to the list since you guys don't seem the slightest bit interested in stopping this problem from happening.

I will start by monitoring the accounts currently for sale and follow what purposes they are used for and get back to you.

Monitoring is underway.

I'm collecting two lists, one of account sellers and the other of account buyers. I will be sure to post this information, links and dates so everybody can see who to avoid from now on.

It is commonly known that people buy and sell accounts. It is illogical to assume this.  

Wrong. It is NOT commonly known, especially among noobs. I didn't know about it until a month ago or so, and then I couldn't believe that it was actively being endorsed by the mods.

Regardless of if this is true or not, it is very immature to give something more weight just because a certain person said it; you should listen to specific arguments and facts not who is making the statement.

? Do you understand that people trade based on the rep of the username alone all the time? Regardless of your feelings on the subject, people do this every day all the time. If Satoshi came on here and said something I sure as hell would give it a lot more weight than when you say something. Even if I disagreed with what he was saying.

In order to impersonate an identity, you would need to not own that identity in the first place. When you use the term impersonate you are implying that the identity does not belong to the poster, but in fact it does.

But this is obfuscated by the fact that most people don't know that they are reading the words of a bought account. There is no honesty or redeemable qualities in your arguments, you're simply trying to defend borderline evil behavior for your own selfish financial reasons.

THEN WHAT HAPPENS....


WAIT FOR IT GUYS...... WAIT...... YOU WILL NEVER GUESS....

OH GO ON THEN..haha


http://web.archive.org/web/20190704162438/https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1622642.0

or as it has been SNEAKILY altered too now..  apparently a poll because it is someone elses fault he will facilitate scamming and turn evil for about $300 bucks or perhaps less at the time..


https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1622642.0


****More tasty irony about Not being interested in SIG CAMPAIGNS...

Seems to be some POLL about someone else because it is their fault he got busted.


More undeniable irony of bitcointalk coming soon...

[xtraelv]

karpellees looks like a fat lesbian.

LOL.  I can't believe a guy like him came to control an exchange as large as Mt. Gox was at the time.  Nor can I believe that he was able to shut out all the other Mt. Gox employees from the goings on in the company so that in the end they didn't know what the hell was going on.  Crazy, crazy.  And man, if he isn't one of the strangest human beings I've ever seen--and I've seen quite a few.  I came onto the bitcoin scene sort of right when that debacle was going down, but at the time I didn't understand exactly what was happening.

Also LOL at the Tradefortress post.  That was before my time on the forum, but I'm generally aware of how big a scam he pulled.  Am I correct in assuming that someone else controls that account these days?  I've seen posts by him not too long ago, but I can't remember if it's the original owner.

Bitcointalk history of MtGox and how a Bitcointalk post caught the MtGox hacker.

Karpeles was probably quite a capable IT guy. I think he was just in it over his head. One of the aspects that is overlooked is that without MtGox there would have been much less trading and the bitcoin value may not have risen so fast.

(Tether is another game of musical chairs where you want to be sitting when the music stops and some of the chairs have disappeared. )

MtGox was already insolvent according to "Wizsec" when Karpeles bought it.

Although I knew that 80,000 BTC were already missing from Mt. Gox when Jed McCaleb sold it to Mark Karpèles — McCaleb suggesting to Karpèles “maybe you don’t really need to worry about it” — hackers had already cleaned out Mt. Gox while McCaleb owned it. He had sold Karpèles an insolvent exchange.

https://davidgerard.co.uk/blockchain/2017/09/17/kim-nilsson-of-wizsec-how-the-bitcoins-were-stolen-from-mt-gox/



To set up a cryptocurrency exchange already takes a lot of risk. It is really hard to comply with all the legal requirements because some of the rules (common law) are applied retrospectively due to no case law existing that specifically deals with crypto. This is why a lot of the exchanges are in questionable jurisdictions, anonymous or run into legal trouble later.  Attempts to exploit the code are made constantly. It takes just one mistake.

Where Karpeles got into trouble was - with the manipulation where he tried to earn it back.
He was arrested by Japanese police for manipulating the Willy bot to increase the balance in an account

[PrimeNumber7]

The downfall of Gox was caused by Karpeles's inexperience and arrogance. My belief is that he created most if not all of the production code in Gox, and did not rely on any type of peer review audit process before code was put into production, so there wasn't anyone checking for problems, or weaknesses in his code. He was one of the first that learned the hard way that if coin is not sufficiently secured, bad people will exploit weaknesses to take your coin.

Karpeles was able to produce code that took a decent amount of skill and effort to exploit, but could still be exploited, as history shows. I don't believe he intentionally mismanaged the Gox production code, and securing a financial company that accepts deposits and processes withdrawals is much more complex than securing a SMF forum whose economy has many financial transactions.

[malevolent]

Speaking of irony and TradeFortress, he used to be one of the most trustworthy users here, theymos even added him to DT1 back when it had only a handful of manually added forum members. He was also very vocal when it came to security and scammers himself later either becoming a victim to a hack or exit scamming (probably a mixture of both). Good that the Trust system has evolved since those times.

[The-One-Above-All]

Speaking of irony and TradeFortress, he used to be one of the most trustworthy users here, theymos even added him to DT1 back when it had only a handful of manually added forum members. He was also very vocal when it came to security and scammers himself later either becoming a victim to a hack or exit scamming (probably a mixture of both). Good that the Trust system has evolved since those times.

So then are we saying that Tradefortress is not UNDENIABLY a scammer? it is speculation that he scammed and was not hacked?  was he not refunding people also in recent years?  If so what exactly do you mean that is is "good" that the trust system has evolved?

What does this instance here demonstrate is the  "good" part about the evolution? I just want to understand what you mean?

[malevolent]

So then are we saying that Tradefortress is not UNDENIABLY a scammer? it is speculation that he scammed and was not hacked?  was he not refunding people also in recent years?  If so what exactly do you mean that is is "good" that the trust system has evolved?

What does this instance here demonstrate is the  "good" part about the evolution? I just want to understand what you mean?

I'm being generous here with my speculation. He didn't refund everything that he lost/scammed. I'm not even sure if he himself knows how much he still owes.

It's good that the Trust system has evolved so that hopefully never again a single anonymous person will be allowed to scam so much money from so many people. People have placed way too much trust in him than they should have for their own good.

[The-One-Above-All]

So then are we saying that Tradefortress is not UNDENIABLY a scammer? it is speculation that he scammed and was not hacked?  was he not refunding people also in recent years?  If so what exactly do you mean that is is "good" that the trust system has evolved?

What does this instance here demonstrate is the  "good" part about the evolution? I just want to understand what you mean?

I'm being generous here with my speculation. He didn't refund everything that he lost/scammed. I'm not even sure if he himself knows how much he still owes.

It's good that the Trust system has evolved so that hopefully never again a single anonymous person will be allowed to scam so much money from so many people. People have placed way too much trust in him than they should have for their own good.

I hear what you are saying, but I do not understand how the trust system now would prevent an anonymous person doing this again? Actually if theymos removed him directly when this went down, then it seems to me the trust system is far weaker now. Does theymos now do kyc on all DT1?

[xtraelv]

I hear what you are saying, but I do not understand how the trust system now would prevent an anonymous person doing this again? Actually if theymos removed him directly when this went down, then it seems to me the trust system is far weaker now. Does theymos now do kyc on all DT1?

The trust system will never prevent all scams. A bit like the Government does not catch all criminals or may be guilty of illegal or immoral conduct themselves.

Scams change and the bad guys will infiltrate a system.  The system is not dependent on Theymos.  He can be voted out of DT (unless he uses his special ability to exclude specific people from the entire DT system).

Companies that give a lifetime guarantee go broke. Not everything comes with a consumer warning.

A system will always be a system. No system involving people is perfect. KYC will not prevent anything. It would not have stopped Bernie Madoff from being highly trusted.

The trust system will prevent some preventable scams. Most likely the majority of the low level scams and a few sophisticated scams.

Speaking of irony and TradeFortress, he used to be one of the most trustworthy users here, theymos even added him to DT1 back when it had only a handful of manually added forum members. He was also very vocal when it came to security and scammers himself later either becoming a victim to a hack or exit scamming (probably a mixture of both). Good that the Trust system has evolved since those times.

He probably - would - still be a trusted person if he hadn't been affected by a hack.  

I believe he was extremely young when he was running that business.
Business failures are problematic. They are breach of contract but may be due to an external issue out of their control.
Ultimately the money is still owed by him. He didn't get found, prosecuted or bankrupted.
I tried to interview trade fortress for an article but he didn't proceed with it.

[malevolent]

I hear what you are saying, but I do not understand how the trust system now would prevent an anonymous person doing this again? Actually if theymos removed him directly when this went down, then it seems to me the trust system is far weaker now. Does theymos now do kyc on all DT1?

I would say theymos adding him to DT1 only further legitimized him, now more people than in the past are aware that being DT1/DT2 is more of a sign that a given user gives accurate ratings rather than them being inherently trustworthy. Back then I think there were like ~6 users on DT1, now there are around a hundred, being DT1 means nowhere near as much as it used to and that's a good thing.

[suchmoon]

I believe he was extremely young when he was running that business.
Business failures are problematic. They are breach of contract but may be due to an external issue out of their control.
Ultimately the money is still owed by him. He didn't get found, prosecuted or bankrupted.
I tried to interview trade fortress for an article but he didn't proceed with it.

This sounds a bit like whitewashing. He's a bona fide scammer and a sociopath. inputs.io happened before my time but I was around when he exit-scammed with hashie. He set up the scheme with a purchased hero account, managed to get into some sort of partnership with a reputable (at the time; later exit-scammed too LOL) hardware vendor, and then didn't just run away with the funds - he trolled everyone on the way out. And again blamed a "hack".

His attempt to refund his victims was also just a form of trolling really. He refunded a few, nobody knows if they were real or just his sockpuppets. The he just stopped issuing refunds earlier than promised. I know at least two victims who didn't even get a response from him.

[xtraelv]

I believe he was extremely young when he was running that business.
Business failures are problematic. They are breach of contract but may be due to an external issue out of their control.
Ultimately the money is still owed by him. He didn't get found, prosecuted or bankrupted.
I tried to interview trade fortress for an article but he didn't proceed with it.

This sounds a bit like whitewashing. He's a bona fide scammer and a sociopath. inputs.io happened before my time but I was around when he exit-scammed with hashie. He set up the scheme with a purchased hero account, managed to get into some sort of partnership with a reputable (at the time; later exit-scammed too LOL) hardware vendor, and then didn't just run away with the funds - he trolled everyone on the way out. And again blamed a "hack".

His attempt to refund his victims was also just a form of trolling really. He refunded a few, nobody knows if they were real or just his sockpuppets. The he just stopped issuing refunds earlier than promised. I know at least two victims who didn't even get a response from him.

I never did any real research on him since he didn't go through with the interview. Maybe he is a good topic for an article. The main reason I didn't go through with with writing an article anyway  was because other people had said that he was really young at the time (17 or 18).

[malevolent]

I never did any real research on him since he didn't go through with the interview. Maybe he is a good topic for an article. The main reason I didn't go through with with writing an article anyway  was because other people had said that he was really young at the time (17 or 18).

According to some dox I think he was close to that, yeah, same age as Zhou Tong of Bitcoinica infamy. That's old enough to know right from wrong.

[gentlemand]

karpellees looks like a fat lesbian. Even with the few bill he stole he will always look like a fat lesbian

All that Japanese prison starvation has turned Mark into a suave dreamboat.

I wonder if he'll ever write a Gox story and whether any of it would be true. No doubt he was a slack, arrogant, dishonest weirdo but no one would've been able to cope with what it became in such a short time. If it had been me I would've shut it down and walked away before it properly bit me and everyone else but many people would believe they could stick at it and make it work.

[Last of the V8s]

This sounds a bit like whitewashing. He's a bona fide scammer and a sociopath. inputs.io happened before my time but I was around when he exit-scammed with hashie. He set up the scheme with a purchased hero account, managed to get into some sort of partnership with a reputable (at the time; later exit-scammed too LOL) hardware vendor, and then didn't just run away with the funds - he trolled everyone on the way out. And again blamed a "hack".

omg disgusting

His attempt to refund his victims was also just a form of trolling really. He refunded a few, nobody knows if they were real or just his sockpuppets. The he just stopped issuing refunds earlier than promised. I know at least two victims who didn't even get a response from him.

wouldn't be surprised if sock-puppetry smh this forum

NastyMining has recovered 6.51961 BTC as a result of our investment with user TradeFortress.  This brings the current amount of BTC held by NastyMining to 16.7217181.  NastyMining is also holding 112,306.66 Siacoin.

[suchmoon]

wouldn't be surprised if sock-puppetry smh this forum

LOL

For the record, I'm not accusing OgNasty of being TF's sockpuppet, I have enough drama. For all I know he really did get six bitcoins from TF, or recovered them from the sofa cushions or whatever. I do know some others were not so lucky and I have no doubt that TF is still very comfortably rich.