[OFFICIAL] P2PB2B - resolving misunderstandings

[P2PB2B Bounty Manager]

We create this topic for analyzing each complaint individually. To ultimately resolve all current misunderstandings and false "scam alert".  I wanted to deal with each punkt and eliminate the negative impact. If I missed something - please complete me.

P2PB2B Signature campaign: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5203715.0

P2PB2B Announce: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5088392.msg48823121#msg48823121

P2PB2B official account - p2pb2b.io:https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2509426

P2PB2B bounty account - P2PB2B Bounty Manager: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=2719262



1.  JollyGood started this topic: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5192497.0
2.  JollyGood  - minus trust: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5088392.msg51834549#msg51834549
1 fact:
In this list more than 20 exchanges that have a similar volume: https://coinmarketcap.com/rankings/exchanges/

2 fact:
Here P2PB2B provide 1-4 non fee accounts for Market making program. This allows to do more trading volumes: https://listing.p2pb2b.io/?_ga=2.149711985.692397089.1575240258-1493963687.1575240258

3 fact:
Some of P2PB2B clients have special conditions that motivate them to trade and make various kinds of transfers using P2PB2B exchange, but unfortunately the legal department points on the NDA.

4 fact:
All accusations in these two topics have no evidence or facts, only words.


3. Minus trust from logfiles and Pamoldar for konungbarber  topic: http://archive.is/DjmMe
4. konungbarber started this topic: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5166605.0

This person wrote that the problem has been solved.  But if he has problems, we can contact the user through his personal email and we will make every effort to solve it.  After unlocking the user account, there were no more messages, so we can assume that the problem is solved. Also we wrote anser earler in this post: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5166605.msg51959750#msg51959750
In any case we wrote him:


5. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5172443.0 - minus trust from Royse777. Started by dopey
6. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5163367.0 - minus trust from dopey. Started by dopey

As Mr. Dopey mentioned in the topic-starting post, the withdrawal request was freezed due to divergence between the withdrawal amount and our financial records.  P2PB2B Security Service has initiated an investigation on this matter - unfortunately, we found that amount of THC, which was sold to this user was acquired in a non-legal way by the seller. Therefore, we rolled back the first deal of Mr. Dopey and all other deals.  The assets, which Mr. Dopey spent during these deals were fully returned to the main balance and already withdrawal.

We deeply regret that this incident occurred and acknowledge the difficulties that have been caused. In any case - this person received his money back




7. Joe Public started this topic:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5190513.0

At first, he should write to the p2pb2b.io support service. Then we can solve his problem.
Before considering this allert relevant, let him provide at least some proofs.


8. DENDOGODNED started this topic:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5160442.0

Even considering the fact that this is his mistake, we can help him. If this person will provide his registration mailbox for support services, we can help him with returning. I would like to quote the words of one smart user. It's hard to add something here



9. vejonkaren started this topics:
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5166081.0
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5166049.0

He send 50 sem (minimum deposit) but there was still a commission of 0.005 sem. He make mistake and didn't count commission. And it's turned out that he make deposit with the amount that less than the minimum deposit and coins didn’t enter his account.
And after 32 hours we returned him 50 sem.

This user get back moneys - https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5166049.msg51946092#msg51946092

10. vejonkaren started this topic: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5169364.0
  
This accusation is based only on his assumption

This Russian-speaking person is a terrible boor, we will post screenshots of how he interacted with the support service. It is impossible to speak adequately with him.If you're interested, here is the translate:

11.
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5202319.msg53106551#msg53106551

 He did not indicate any proofs of what had happened. Similar issues are resolved through the support service.
This topic posted from hacked account, more over - with negative trust:




12. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5209604.0

At early stages both exchanges were developed by one team - so the initial conception and solutions maybe quite similar. But it was long ago. Now platforms are separate, P2PB2B is absolutely independent projects.

Estonia is transparent and stable EU jurisdictions with cryptocurrency regulation. And it is good choice for cryptocurrency exchanges.
More over, companies have different directors, here you can see for yourself:

https://coinsbit.io/
https://www.teatmik.ee/en/personlegal/14828702-ITEcosystem-O%C3%9C

https://p2pb2b.io/
https://www.teatmik.ee/en/personlegal/14572266-Partida-Services-O%C3%9C



13. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5209604.msg53669195#msg53669195

There is absolutely nothing strange here, because the company is registered in Estonia as PARTIDA SERVICES OÜ, accordingly, the e-mail adress shown on www.e-krediidiinfo.ee derived from the registered name PARTIDA SERVICES OÜ.

On the official website p2pb2b.io of the P2PB2B company, you can find the email address in accordance with the domain p2pb2b.io.

14. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5209604.msg53700251#msg53700251

I see you are trying to BS your way out of your lies again - please do so in this thread so that you can't lock it again when hard proof is provided.
This thread was created specifically to handle your censorship of the truth.

If you were careful, you would notice that we paused thread for winter holydays. And we wrote that we will continue after that holidays. And we returned, as promised. In the end, you can always come back here.
For now I recommend to write here https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5205331.msg53204675#msg53204675

Absolutely despicable conduct from  the representative of p2pb2b scammers
I am so happy other exchanges operated by Ukrainian scammer Valerii Solodovnyk are being exposed too: https://twitter.com/AngryBeur/status/1191416253564571650
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First of all, there are no official investigations, accusations, charges towards P2PB2B company.
Of course, we understand that we can't avoid not satisfied users.

Very few claims are because of flaws of the platform - yes, the platform is not perfect. That is why many specialists each day improve and maintain it.
But most of the incidents reported here are because of factors the platform is not responsible for. It is the nature of crypto business (and in nature of transactions/holding in the sphere of crypto) that each mistake or negligence of user may cost. And it is human nature to blame others for things that go wrong.

We appreciate feedbacks including negative because they help us to improve (and, besides, to be compliant, as we are regulated and supervised). But we can't ignore the fact that we regularly face extortionist offering to cease public attacks on our reputation for a certain reward. And shouldn't we look interconnection between the above-mentioned offers with posts of some anonymous authors here?

How could a prudent person take seriously scam accusation based on the fact that initially the platforms p2pb2b and Coinsbit were partially developed by the same specialists? Is it serious?
Changpeng Zhao served as chief technology officer of OKCoin. In 2017, Zhao left OKCoin to start a cryptocurrency exchange called Binance. There were and there are numerous unsatisfied clients both of OKCoin and Binance. So these projects are Scam?
Have the anonymous "investigators" ever heard of moving specialists to other projects? Have they ever heard of selling the business, software, technologies? All these events are the "proofs of fraud" or normal things that happen from time to time?

PS:

vejonkaren -  https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=11725
It looks like an account that is bought or hacked:

Date Registered: May 08, 2011
Password changed: August 15, 2018 https://bpip.org/profile.aspx?p=vejonkaren
Date first post: August 15, 2018

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[Lauda]

Context for this thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5192497.msg53203883#msg53203883. Watching.

[AB de Royse777]

I am too watching the thread. Will active the notification after making this post.

Here what I found again your exchange: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5172443.msg52068416#msg52068416

Good to see an initiative. Let's see where it goes.

Good luck.

[hacker1001101001]

By looking at the accusations against your exchange, I think it would hardly take you some years to solve this all or probably never.

Just a good luck from me for your fake fight !

[Lauda]

By looking at the accusations against your exchange, I think it would hardly take you some years to solve this all or probably never.

Just a good luck from me for your fake fight !

The same can be said for pretty much any exchange; don't let your bias cloud your judgement and let them try to resolve their issues rather than attacking them for trying.

[eddie13]

I can understand insane volume on exchanges that operate with 0% fees for regular trades as these are my favorite to trade and even I can put down insane volume on them, but this exchange is claiming 0.2% fees on all trades, and $1,281,749,865 in volume per day, and therefore raking in a massive $2.5MM in revenue per day?

Is this true? Or are you allowing some users/bots to trade with no or very low fees?
Is their some explanation for this or are you claiming that you are actually making $2.5mm per day in trade fees and it is all legit charged volume?

don't let your bias cloud your judgement and let them try to resolve their issues rather than attacking them for trying.

Good plan, nice quote..

[hacker1001101001]

By looking at the accusations against your exchange, I think it would hardly take you some years to solve this all or probably never.

Just a good luck from me for your fake fight !

The same can be said for pretty much any exchange; don't let your bias cloud your judgement and let them try to resolve their issues rather than attacking them for trying.

I am glad they are trying to address the issue here rather than rebirthing again with another project. But they are engaged in showing fake volumes of cryptos on there exchange which is simply not common for any decent exchange.

[electronicash]

surprising what the people can do to force an exchange to really comply and answer the accusations and fix it. i wouldn't say if it weren't for the bounty campaign they are planing to do here, they wouldn't be doing all these but i think P2Pb2B somehow is serious about rebuilding the reputation they have. maybe its time to also ask about the IEO in their exchange, are you OP the right person to ask related to projects doing IEO?

[DireWolfM14]

We create this topic for analyzing each complaint individually. To ultimately resolve all current misunderstandings and false"scam alert".  I wanted to deal with each punkt and eliminate the negative impact. If I missed something - please complete me.

That's commendable.  I'll go through the list and lend my opinion, for what it's worth.

1. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5192497.0 - Started by JollyGood

I must admit, this looks pretty shady.  I had never heard of your exchange before these scam accusations started popping up.  I find it hard to believe you've got the trading volume that the screenshot suggests.  Personally, I don't think it's worthy of a red-tag or a flag.  It does however suggest that you may be manipulating information that's passed on to CMC.  If that's the case I suggest you don't.  No exchange can be trusted if they are suspected of manipulation and false advertising.

2. https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5088392.msg51834549#msg51834549 - minus trust from JollyGood

I suspect JollyGood thinks your response is a lie?  It sounds like a made up excuse to me, but again, I wouldn't red-tag over it.  Coinsbit definitely looks like a Ponzi, and it wouldn't be good if you were proven to be affiliated.  Having said that, I don't see any solid proof of such.

3. http://archive.is/DjmMe - minus trust from logfiles and Pamoldar. I don't know what's there. Its don't loading

It's an archive link, it points the same post as number 6 on your list.

Numbers 5 through 11 are the concerning part for me.  That's a lot of dissatisfied customers, and if it were my business I would want them happy with the way I handled adversity.  I'm looking forward to seeing how these situations are handled, and I'll look through them more carefully as I have time.

[logfiles]

3. http://archive.is/DjmMe - minus trust from logfiles and Pamoldar. I don't know what's there. Its don't loading

Sorry about the archive that does not load. It was basically of this thread: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5166605.0 like someone stated above.

As you can see my feedback, it's about a number of accusations that were raised against you recently and you acted too stubborn to resolved them. If resolve the issues. I will remove or change my tag to neutral.

I believe if you acted this way from the beginning, things would be different by now.

[ataArt]

By looking at the accusations against your exchange, I think it would hardly take you some years to solve this all or probably never.

Just a good luck from me for your fake fight !

The same can be said for pretty much any exchange; don't let your bias cloud your judgement and let them try to resolve their issues rather than attacking them for trying.

I am glad they are trying to address the issue here rather than rebirthing again with another project. But they are engaged in showing fake volumes of cryptos on there exchange which is simply not common for any decent exchange.

Sorry dear, Volumes prevent you from trading there? I do not quite understand your charge! why does it bother you so much? With this approach, you can make a list of all exchangers and blame them.

[Lauda]

By looking at the accusations against your exchange, I think it would hardly take you some years to solve this all or probably never.

Just a good luck from me for your fake fight !

The same can be said for pretty much any exchange; don't let your bias cloud your judgement and let them try to resolve their issues rather than attacking them for trying.

I am glad they are trying to address the issue here rather than rebirthing again with another project. But they are engaged in showing fake volumes of cryptos on there exchange which is simply not common for any decent exchange.

Tell me which exchange does not engage in fake volumes, or are you that naive?

[The Cryptovator]

I will welcome their initiative to resolve all accusation against them. I am not sure how they will do it, but something is better than nothing. If at least few accuser get respond from them and resolve the issue that's good for us. Because we can't help them ourselves except red tag. If we see deeply then we will found few trouble on most of exchanges. But finding solutions if more effective way to resolve such as issue. Lots of exchange accused here, but sadly they do not responding to solve. In that angle OP is better than them. We can't prevent them promoting their platform here, its quite difficult to tag all participants. So let's try to resolve some issues those are pending.

[hacker1001101001]

Tell me which exchange does not engage in fake volumes, or are you that naive?

Binance.

https://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/binance.com   #1882 ranked visited with users staying on site on average for 9m 36sec
https://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/coinsbit.io      # 37,016 ranked visited with users staying on site on average for 1m 42sec
https://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/p2pb2b.io       #29,149 ranked visited with users staying on site on average for 1m 45sec

At least it's proved that the visitors on P2PB2B land on exchange for a very less time compared to a normal exchange.

[Lauda]

Tell me which exchange does not engage in fake volumes, or are you that naive?

Binance.

You're a funny and naive one indeed. No worries, you'll learn how the real world works soon enough.
Seems they have updated the thread and handled accusations 7 though 10.

[mosprognoz]

I forced them to start an escrowed campaign. (Still waiting)

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5203715.msg53170993#msg53170993

That was the only thing I could do, to ensure that participants will be paid. And I guess they found Lauda as an escrow, which means 100% safe campaign. There are a lot of scam accusations and some People think that this exchange is a scam (Including me). Exchange representatives are denying accusations. So, let potential traders read what is mentioned in scam accusations, study supporting evidence and make up their own minds.

[Lauda]

I forced them to start an escrowed campaign. (Still waiting)

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5203715.msg53170993#msg53170993

That was the only thing I could do, to ensure that participants will be paid. And I guess they found Lauda as an escrow, which means 100% safe campaign.

Yeah, it should start any day now and that's the very least that I can do.

[eddie13]

I forced them to start an escrowed campaign.

You forced them did you?
I'm not sure what to think about "forcing" them to escrow anything.. Escrow is an option and not something that should be "forced" I think..  

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5203715.msg53170993#msg53170993

That was the only thing I could do, to ensure that participants will be paid. And I guess they found Lauda as an escrow, which means 100% safe campaign. There are a lot of scam accusations and some People think that this exchange is a scam (Including me). Exchange representatives are denying accusations. So, let potential traders read what is mentioned in scam accusations, study supporting evidence and make up their own minds.

How convenient.. Surely it will be 100% safe now...

There are a lot of scam accusations and some People think that this exchange is a scam (Including me).

It is suddenly OK to advertise scams as long as they are using escrow?

In that way, you wan't be able to scam anyone who will participate in the campaign. I wan't remove any tag from you or other accounts that are related to p2pb2b because I still consider it as a scam exchange. But I will not tag any participant and you can go ahead if there will be a reputable escrow for this campaign.

So you would have tagged participants if they didn't escrow? Or, you won't tag if they do use escrow?
WTF does them escrowing campaign funds have anything to do with it being a scam or not?

Are you some sort of authority who can "force" them to escrow and give them the "go ahead" to advertise a scam?

That is correct. This exchange has a lot of scam accusations and as I said, I still consider it as a scam, but as you said a lot of users eager to make a living off bounties. As far this dudes are promising to pay in BTC and escrow the funds, let the mentioned users (Bounty hunters) make some money out of the offered campaign.

Well no shit bounty hunters are eager to make some scratch by spamming advertising no matter if it a scam they are shilling or not.. They/many don't care as long as they can get their piece of the action..


So, does this set the precedent that DT is going to allow the advertisement of scams as long as they escrow their advertisement funds?
All these poor bounty hunters should be able to make some coin by advertising scams and ponzis as long as it is escrowed for the sake of protecting these poor bounty hunters from the scammers that they are advertising for?

I forced them to start an escrowed campaign.
they found Lauda as an escrow

Yeah, it should start any day now and that's the very least that I can do.

This could be interpreted as facilitating a scam or at the very least now a conflict of interest..

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No, there is nothing you can say that would change the opinions that users have formed on p2pb2b and its sister scam coinbit

I'm about to accept escrowing their campaign

Sure, if you are happy to proceed that way then that something you have thought through but my issue remains with the scam aspect.

Just because they might in future run a scam-free bounty campaign does not make it a scam-free project because the bounty campaign is directly related to p2pb2b being promoted.

p2pb2b2 have been selective scamming users

Hmm....

[Lauda]

I forced them to start an escrowed campaign.
they found Lauda as an escrow

Yeah, it should start any day now and that's the very least that I can do.

This could be interpreted as facilitating a scam or at the very least now a conflict of interest..

There is no conflict of interest other than you trying to attack me for calling you out on your bullshit virtue-signalling on everything.

to accept escrowing their campaign
Just because they might in future run a scam-free bounty campaign does not make it a scam-free project because the bounty campaign is directly related to p2pb2b being promoted.

p2pb2b2 have been selective scamming users

Hmm....

There is absolutely no proof of this inasmuch there is no proof of other exchanges doing this. Only half-baked accusations, of which there are plenty for pretty much every exchange.
What's the point of this system if you don't encourage accused parties of resolving their misdeeds or "claimed misdeeds"? Oh right, if someone else was to escrow this you'd keep quiet as always.

[blurryeyed]

More proof of this scam:

https://twitter.com/AngryBeur/status/1191416253564571650

It's been said & proven many times by numerous forum members & web researchers that this is a copy paste exchange scam by Valerii Solodovnyk - anyone promoting this scam will be disappointed.