A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by a Bitcoin Forum moderator.

[wwzsocki]

"A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by a Bitcoin Forum moderator."

This is literally all information received by a user whose post has been deleted, and we can't forget, that in some cases, these are long working hours that have been irrevocably removed.
Of course, in 99% of cases, this is enough, because the spammer was punished, but in 1% of the cases, hours of someone's work disappeared and there is no easy way to find out why?

Information: "A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by a Bitcoin Forum moderator." is not sufficient and there should be at least a link provided to the thread from which it was removed.
TBH, there should be username added of the moderator who removed it, to be able to communicate with him, additionally, an annotation in the thread too, that the post was removed.

This could be really hard to even find the proper thread from which our posts were removed without all this information or to look further for help, especially in cases that really need this second look.


As an example, I can throw here my 2 (exactly 3) posts that were recently removed.

Two weeks ago two of my posts were deleted by a moderator and I found that this is really hard or even impossible for me to find out why they were removed, so I started to look for help, but to my surprise, there is not much I could do .

Both posts were published in the Mining Board, where we can see at the first look, that mining had really hard times lately, majority of threads in this section are locked and not much is going on there at all. Anyways, I was able to find two threads that were interesting for me and I knew a lot about the subject. Both threads were opened a long time ago, but still frequently updated with new comments. Of course, because there is not much going on, sometimes answers in these threads were posted with long monthly breaks.

As always, before I commented there, I have read both threads fully and prepared really high-quality on-topic answers. Both threads were updated with new comments about a week or two ago and are still open and running. Both removed posts were (additionally) already merited by few members (just after publishing) and one of these posts got an answer from the thread OP in which he stated that he is interested in the info I just provided. In short, the discussion was started again.

I have to add that this reply from OP was also removed.


To better understand what I am talking about, here are screens from both posts, with links to threads.


The winter mining setup


Bitcoin Mining on an APPLE II Computer! Highly Impractical Other Devices? Poll!

As I already mentioned, both posts were immediately merited by few members and the thread OP, here screen:



These are my first merits for deleted posts .

First, I asked few members, I know here on the forum personally for help to look at these posts to find the reasons for removal, which I could have missed, but nobody was able to find it either, even other moderators, so I started by sending PM's to mods from the mining board: Gmaxwell and Frodocooper, kindly asking for explanation and help.





Only moderator Gmaxwell was so kind to answer and did it very fast after only one day:



As you can clearly see even moderators can't see the reasons for deletion

I have waited good two weeks for the answer from Frodocooper but never received it .


I started this thread to discuss in a wider group the need to enrich the information that the user receives after his post is removed, but also quietly counted to find out the reason for deleting my posts, because I do not want to spam, a few additional moderators with PMs if I still even don't know who did it?

As I already mentioned the provided information: "A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted..." is not sufficient when there is a problem and one has to look for help.

My suggestion will be to add an additional piece of info like:

- username of a moderator who made the deletion (for an easier contact),
- add a link to the thread from which post was deleted (to make it easier to find),
- add an annotation in the thread from which post was deleted (to inform about deletion OP and other readers),
- add the reasons for deletion (to avoid unneeded questions and additional work).

I hope to discuss these suggestions with the community, additionally counting for a response from the moderator who removed my posts and that he provides valid reasons for it to let me avoid such mistakes in the future if I made any.

Believe me such simple info as a link to thread can save hours of searching. I was lucky to write in mining, where threads from 2018 are still easy to find, but if someone has post deleted from an old thread in the altcoin section and he doesn't remember the title exactly, he will need a lot of luck to find it using the search function, believe me, that you won't remember the titles of the threads or even who published them, after a few hours, don't mention days or weeks.

PS
To be fully honest, I have to add that when I get to know that 2 of my posts were removed in a row (which happens to be very rare or even never happened before), I have written another 3rd post in The winter mining setup thread, which also was removed.



I haven't mentioned this one because I can understand that it could be removed as an off-topic (which also could be discussed  ).

Of course, no answer or reaction from the moderator who deleted it.

[Upgrade00]

- username of a moderator who made the deletion (for an easier contact),
- add a link to the thread from which post was deleted (to make it easier to find),
- add an annotation in the thread from which post was deleted,
- add the reasons for deletion.

I do not support including the name of the moderator who deleted the post for a number or reasons. In peculiar cases where the relevance of a post is debatable it may need further discussions, but majority of deleted posts are worthy of the action, and including the name if the mods could expose them to lots of backlash and unsolicited PMs, especially those that operate in the spam filled boards.
AFAIK, the name of the mods who handles any action on the forum (ban, post deletion,of nuking) is not made public to avoid personalizing the decisions they make.

I have no issues with the second and third suggestions.

The fourth however would be too bulky to handle.

[o_e_l_e_o]

I agree with Upgrade00's points above. We already have some users who open multiple new threads whenever some of their posts are deleted and target the moderators they think are responsible with abuse. This would only be magnified several times over if every deleted post stated which moderator had acted upon it. Moderators would end up receiving endless PMs, and I can even envisage reports against some users not being acted upon due to the backlash the moderator anticipates facing in return.

A link to thread in question is reasonable, and should be fairly straightforward to implement.

Reasons for some posts being deleted would be nice, but it certainly shouldn't be mandatory for all posts being deleted. As you say, 99% of posts being trashed are simply zero quality nonsense or spam. Forcing moderators to give reasons for all these would massively slow down how quickly they can work, for little benefit. In cases such as yours, however, when the posts clearly aren't just spam, then reasoning would be good. This doesn't necessarily need to be built in to the system - a PM from the mod in question with a brief explanation would also work.

This also isn't the first time I've seen complaints about over-moderation in the Mining Board. It is not a board I frequent, and so I would be keen to hear the feelings of users who do.

[UserU]

Same here, I don't get it why some mods are happily removing some of my replies.

Yesterday, some OP made a thread asking for casino site recommendations with referral codes. In other words, users are allowed to post theirs if any.

So I briefly introduced one.

The next day, boom! Deleted by moderator.

A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by a Bitcoin Forum moderator. Posts are most frequently deleted because they are off-topic, though they can also be deleted for other reasons. In the future, please avoid posting things that need to be deleted.

For player #2, there's one which might suit his taste.

Thunderpick, since 2016. Comes with video poker and slots, along with match betting and other games. By using my referral code, he enjoys a 5% first-time deposit bonus up to 500 Euros.

And there's Live support too

reflink removed

[LoyceMobile]

Yesterday, some OP made a thread asking for casino site recommendations with referral codes. In other words, users are allowed to post theirs if any.

"Some OP" can't just change forum rules in his topic. Referral spam isn't allowed, and asking for it is almost a guarantee to get spam.

[UserU]

"Some OP" can't just change forum rules in his topic. Referral spam isn't allowed, and asking for it is almost a guarantee to get spam.

If that's the case, then fair point.

I thought the rules only apply if you post unsolicited referral links.

[LoyceMobile]

I thought the rules only apply if you post unsolicited referral links.

That's for PMs: if someone asks for it, sending referral links by PM is okay.

[UserU]

That's for PMs: if someone asks for it, sending referral links by PM are okay

Gotcha, I'll keep that in mind.

[Asuspawer09]

- username of a moderator who made the deletion (for an easier contact),
- add a link to the thread from which post was deleted (to make it easier to find),
- add an annotation in the thread from which post was deleted,
- add the reasons for deletion.

I do not support including the name of the moderator who deleted the post for a number or reasons. In peculiar cases where the relevance of a post is debatable it may need further discussions, but majority of deleted posts are worthy of the action, and including the name if the mods could expose them to lots of backlash and unsolicited PMs, especially those that operate in the spam filled boards.
AFAIK, the name of the mods who handles any action on the forum (ban, post deletion,of nuking) is not made public to avoid personalizing the decisions they make.

I have no issues with the second and third suggestions.

The fourth however would be too bulky to handle.

This is one of my problems in the past I think is the link, it should be provided, the messages sent is not enough to identify what post is deleted considering you have a lot of posts done daily. For sure it is going to be a big help putting the link of the thread or a screenshot since it is already deleted. Some annotations would also be great. I think the reason for deletion is I think it could be the most important for me. The reason is important if I have deleted thread so that I could avoid it getting my post deleted for the 2nd time since im aware of the reason.
However, putting the name of the moderator is not going to be necessary... I can't see any reason why it should be included.

[wwzsocki]

Of course, I understand that the suggestion about providing mods usernames will be the most discussed one, but I have to mention that I have seen this already implemented on another forum, where I am a moderator and there were no problems because of this for mods.

Even if there were any attempts to get revenge on mods involved in deleting posts from the spammers' gang, it was immediately detected and ended with a ban for a big group of abusers.

I think mods don't have to be afraid because they stand really strong on this forum and until there is nothing wrong with the work they provide there should be no harm at all for them, but if somebody makes too many mistakes (I don't want to say that is doing this for purpose), then maybe he shouldn't be a moderator in the first place and this will be a perfect way to sift the wrong grain?

Further, I understand that there could be more PMs sent with stupid questions from spammers whos posts were deleted for good reason, but this can happen only once because we have the IGNORE function, so overwhelming amounts of additional work could be easily minimized. Additionally, if usernames would be provided, then there could be additional forum rules implemented regarding the communication with moderators to avoid spam and unneeded work.

I will be happy also with such a solution for the reasoning of deletion:

...Reasons for some posts being deleted would be nice, but it certainly shouldn't be mandatory for all posts being deleted...however, when the posts clearly aren't just spam, then reasoning would be good. This doesn't necessarily need to be built in to the system - a PM from the mod in question with a brief explanation would also work...

PS
I still hope to hear an answer/reasoning from the moderator who deleted my posts.

EDIT

...If staff could give a reason to why something was removed I think that would help a lot. Even just a simple drop down menu where you choose the option why it was removed would be great, but an additional comment box as well to clarify things further would be even better.

I agree with you and I will be happy with any implemented solution because it would be better than the actual state of things.

[hilariousetc]

I think the notification PM should include a link to the thread it was removed from and staff should also be able to give a comment about why it was deleted but that should still be anonymous. Having the mods name on it will just lead to constant hassle and pestering and demanding answers as to why something was removed. The amount of PMs I've received from users who just assumed it was me who removed their post because my name is on that sub is ridiculous and they're usually hostile more often than not and that would get worse if it become public who removed what and people would start to take it personally. If staff could give a reason to why something was removed I think that would help a lot. Even just a simple drop down menu where you choose the option why it was removed would be great, but an additional comment box as well to clarify things further would be even better.

[Saint-loup]

I thought the rules only apply if you post unsolicited referral links.

That's for PMs: if someone asks for it, sending referral links by PM are okay

No I think UserU is right.
According to mprep himself it's ok to post referral links in this situation.
That is to say, only the "spam" of referral codes is forbidden.

4. No referral code (ref link) spam. [1]

If you are posting a reply on a thread, and your answer is relevant. Would adding your referral link instead of the plain url be a problem?

For example, you are suggesting service a-dot-com as an answer's to OPs question. Would a ref link (a-dot-com?ref=my-ref) be allowed?

If the post is directly on-topic (like in your example) and is constructive (i.e. not just parotting content that was already posted), it's allowed.

[UserU]

No I think UserU is right.
According to mprep himself it's ok to post referral links in this situation.
That is to say, only the "spam" of referral codes is forbidden.

Hmm, I wished I could find back that thread but it has already been nuked.

[philipma1957]

"A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by a Bitcoin Forum moderator."

This is literally all information received by a user whose post has been deleted, and we can't forget, that in some cases, these are long working hours that have been irrevocably deleted.

Of course, in 99% of cases, this is enough, because the spammer was punished, but in 1% of the cases hours of someone's work disappeared and there is no easy way to find out why?

Information: "A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by a Bitcoin Forum moderator." is not sufficient and there should be at least a link provided to the thread from which it was removed, to be honest, there should be username added of the moderator who removed it, to be able to communicate with him, additionally, an annotation in the thread too, that the post was removed.

This could be really hard to even find the proper thread from which our posts were removed without all this information or to look further for help, especially in cases that really need this second look.


As an example, I can throw here my 2 (exactly 3) posts that were recently removed.

Two weeks ago two of my posts were deleted by moderators and I found that this is really hard or even impossible for me to find out why they were removed, so I started to look for help, but to my surprise, there is not much I could do .

Both posts were published in the Mining Board, where we can see at the first look, that mining had really hard times lately because the majority of threads in this section are locked and not much is going on there at all.

Anyways, I was able to find two threads that were interesting for me and I knew a lot about the subject. Both threads were opened a long time ago, but still frequently updated with new comments. Of course, because there is not much going on, sometimes answers in these threads were posted with long monthly breaks. As always, before I commented there, I have read both threads fully and prepared really high-quality on-topic answers. Both threads were updated with new comments from the OPs about a week or two ago and are still running. Both removed posts were (additionally) already merited by few members (just after publishing) and one of these posts got an answer from the thread OP in which he stated that he is interested in the info I just provided. In short, the discussion was started again.

I have to add that this reply from OP was also removed.


To better understand what I am talking about, here are screens from both posts, with links to threads.


The winter mining setup


Bitcoin Mining on an APPLE II Computer! Highly Impractical Other Devices? Poll!

As I said already, both posts were immediately merited by few members and the thread OP, here screen:



These are my first merits for deleted posts .

First, I asked few members, I know here on the forum personally for help to look at these posts to find the reasons for removal, which I could have missed, but nobody was able to find it either, even other moderators, so I started from sending PM's to mods from the mining board: Gmaxwell and Frodocooper, kindly asking for explanation and help.





Only moderator Gmaxwell was so kind to answer and did it very fast after only one day:



As you can clearly see even he can't see the reasons for deletion.

I waited good two weeks for the answer from Frodocooper but never received it .


I started this thread to discuss in a wider group the need to enrich the information that the user receives after his post is removed, but also quietly counted to find out the reason for deleting my posts, because I do not want to spam, a few additional moderators with PMs if I still even don't know who did it?

As I already mentioned the provided information: "A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted..." is not sufficient when there is a problem and one has to look for help.

My suggestion will be to add an additional piece of info like:

- username of a moderator who made the deletion (for an easier contact),
- add a link to the thread from which post was deleted (to make it easier to find),
- add an annotation in the thread from which post was deleted,
- add the reasons for deletion.

I hope to discuss these suggestions with the community additionally counting for a response from the moderator who removed my posts and that he provides valid reasons for it to let me avoid such mistakes in the future if I made any.

Believe me such simple info as a link to thread can save hours of searching. I was lucky to write in mining, where threads from 2018 are still easy to find, but if someone has post deleted from an old thread in the altcoin section and he doesn't remember the title exactly, he will need a lot of luck to find it using the search function, believe me, that you won't remember the titles of the threads or even who published them, after a few hours, don't mention days or weeks.

PS
To be fully honest, I have to add that when I get to know that 2 of my posts were removed in a row (which happens to be very rare or even never happened before), I have written another 3rd post in The winter mining setup thread, which also was removed.



I haven't mentioned this one because I can understand that it could be removed as an off-topic (which also could be discussed  ).

Of course, no answer or reactions from the moderator who deleted it.

I post I post alot.

I post in mining both btc mining and altcoin mining.


I get one to three posts deleted every week in sha 256 mining ⛏.

Frodocooper can be heavyhanded and over delete.

Once in a while I will pm complain to him.

On the other hand he is hard at work and does a lot on the board.

I was deleted today when I replied to a question. To me I thought it was an okay question but he deleted the question and my answer.

This was to me a bit marginal and could have stayed up and not be deleted.

Do I get annoyed or angry at frodocooper sometimes I do. I do like that he is fast to delete the 90%+ bullshit posts.  So I dont freak out.  If you dont post in sha mining ⛏ you will see him as heavyhanded.

I post enough to see all the good deletes he does.

[LTU_btc]

As I remember, mod of Mining board is very strictly and delete lot of decent posts there. I don't see any reasons why your posts were deleted. But in other boards, good posts aren't usually get deleted without any reason.
But I agree with your points. Especially about giving link to topic where your post was deleted. Sometimes It's difficult to understand reason why post was deleted without seing whole context.
But I don't agree that name of moderator who deleted post should be displayed. It should stay anonymous. Even now we have complaints from some users that mod is biased against them. Displaying name would bring not needed drama here.
And showing reason why post was deleted would be usedul probably, but it would add extra work for mods.

[TECSHARE]

It has been suggested before that the moderators get an optional drop down menu with the most common reasons for removal as well as the ability to make a comment. I think this would be a good addition. After all, if there is not feedback why something is removed, how can people correct their behavior if they aren't even told what the problem is? This is a common criticism on platforms like Facefuck, Googlag, and Twatter. People often want to comply but have no idea what they need to change to comply.

[philipma1957]

It has been suggested before that the moderators get an optional drop down menu with the most common reasons for removal as well as the ability to make a comment. I think this would be a good addition. After all, if there is not feedback why something is removed, how can people correct their behavior if they aren't even told what the problem is? This is a common criticism on platforms like Facefuck, Googlag, and Twatter. People often want to comply but have no idea what they need to change to comply.

This is true  and why sometimes  I do argue with frodocooper about a deletion of a post.

More often then not I do understand the deletions I get.

More often then not  it is when I answer a post that is  borderline either clever spam spam or legit question.

Frodocooper will  delete the question and my answer.

I know why he did it and don't mind.

[The Sceptical Chymist]

- username of a moderator who made the deletion (for an easier contact),

This probably isn't a good idea, since it would undoubtedly cause a flooding of moderators' inboxes with requests for the same information and/or bitching about post deletion(s). 

It really wouldn't be a horrible idea if you at least got a reason why your post was deleted in the PM you get sent.  I'm not sure why that seems to be such a big deal, but apparently it is because this has been suggested before, multiple times, and yet nothing ever comes of it.  And it isn't like people think it's a stupid idea and it gets shot down.  I also don't think it would probably take a lot of work to implement (though I'm far from certain about that).

On the other hand, when I get posts deleted and get a PM from the forum I'm usually aware of the reason--it's either being off-topic or straight up trolling someone.  Thus you won't find me complaining about it.  But an informative post like the one OP showed?  Yeah, those probably shouldn't get deleted without a good reason.

[Vod]

Yesterday, some OP made a thread asking for casino site recommendations with referral codes. In other words, users are allowed to post theirs if any.

An OP cannot override forum rules.  Referral links are garbage spam - you don't stand behind the link - you only post it to get $.

[truth or dare]

The name of the mod deleting should be transparent.  If that is not going to happen you should be shown a percentage of deleted posts that have executed from each mod.

If mods are found to be bias or vindictive then they must be replaced. I have witnessed some seriously concerning behaviors raised and the evidence was incredibly robust.

The same for reporters, you should see a percentage of reports that originate from each member.

Reporters themselves should see a percentage of marked bad etc for each mod.

If you notice one mod deleting all of your posts and marking your reports bad. You would need to have that investigated.

This would be an easy feature to implement.